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1. 12:44 AM - Re: Hirth Engine (secatur)
2. 02:48 AM - Re: Re: Hirth Engine (martyn@flight.co.za)
3. 04:10 AM - Re: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory (Juan Vega)
4. 04:42 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Bob Unternaehrer)
5. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Hirth Engine (Graeme Bell)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n85ae)
7. 07:27 AM - Re; Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Kafka, Jeff)
8. 07:33 AM - Re: Like to see a 601 HD or XL (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
9. 09:02 AM - Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) (tigermiller)
10. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Southern Reflections)
11. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) (Debo Cox)
12. 01:55 PM - Wings & Wheels (Randy Stout)
13. 02:04 PM - New style flap actuator (carlos)
14. 02:14 PM - Re: Wings & Wheels (Jaybannist@cs.com)
15. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n801bh@netzero.com)
16. 03:14 PM - Re: New style flap actuator (Paul Mulwitz)
17. 03:47 PM - 701 with Jab 3300 (Stanley Challgren)
18. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Southern Reflections)
19. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Joemotis@aol.com)
20. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Dan)
21. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Southern Reflections)
22. 05:54 PM - Re: Wings & Wheels now restricted area (John Bolding)
23. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Joemotis@aol.com)
24. 06:07 PM - 701 welded kit parts (kmccune)
25. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Bob Unternaehrer)
26. 06:09 PM - Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) (kmccune)
27. 06:14 PM - Re: 701 welded kit parts (RClaggf4u@aol.com)
28. 06:21 PM - Re: 701 welded kit parts (Paul Mulwitz)
29. 07:16 PM - Re: 701 welded kit parts (kmccune)
30. 07:28 PM - Re: 701 welded kit parts (kmccune)
31. 07:44 PM - Re: New style flap actuator (Craig Payne)
32. 08:11 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Southern Reflections)
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth Engine |
Gee Chris, Please don't tell the hundreds of people (myself included!) that the
Subaru EA-81 is too heavy for our successful 701 aircraft !
Also please inform me when next you see a 912 for $10k ! I'll buy it sight unseen
and make a handsome profit on the same day resale!
Steve from Perth
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth Engine |
Steve,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rotax-engine-100hp-912-ULS3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26437QQihZ016QQitemZ260168217587QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
The bid started at $9000 USD its up to $11400 last time I checked.
There you go! Send some of the profit my way , but I think the shipping
costs will chew it all up. I have spoken to this chap, and he is legit. He
had 3, sold 2, this is the last one.
HIRTH RULES !!! :)
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>
> Gee Chris, Please don't tell the hundreds of people (myself included!)
> that the Subaru EA-81 is too heavy for our successful 701 aircraft !
> Also please inform me when next you see a 912 for $10k ! I'll buy it sight
> unseen and make a handsome profit on the same day resale!
> Steve from Perth
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory |
they run hirths on some trikes in Zephyrhills. they allways complain about getting
parts and constant upkeep.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@ATT.NET>
>Sent: Oct 10, 2007 5:06 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory
>
>
>Hi Martyn,
>
>That HIrth engine does sound too good to be true.
>
>This is the first I've heard of it, so I can't add to the information
>pool. I would like to ask you to relay any information you get back
>to this group, though. The weight and horsepower sound ideal for the
>601 and perhaps even a little on the high power side for the 701.
>
>It would be great if we had another engine to add to the fray.
>
>Paul
>XL, fuselage, Jabiru 3300
>do not archive
>
>
>At 10:37 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>Good Day all,
>>
>>I have gone through the archives and I have not found anything really
>>conclusive regarding Hirth powerplants as a viable alternative.
>>
>>The 3 cylinder 100 HP fuel injected 2 stroke, weighing in at 45kg's
>>(99lb's) seems too good to be true.
>>
>>Anybody out there that runs a Hirth or knows of someone who has one. I'd
>>really like to get their feedback regarding these engines.
>>
>>Blue Skies everyone,
>>
>>Martyn Ward
>>CH701 ZU-DPL
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
I'm not sure why you need anykind of sealing. I've never seen any
seals on certified airplanes, but there may be. My wife sometimes
applies a phrase to me that might apply here....Don't over think it bob.
My purpose was to tighten them up and prevent vibration and coming
loose, but I don't think that is necessary now. I do use nylon washers
on the SS screw heads. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
Bob, Thanks for the heads up. I just might have to rethink my sealing
method. Maybe a thin foam tape? - Jay
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"Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com> wrote:
>Caution here Jay. I did the silicone thing on a Cessna once and
never could get them to quite sticking. Tried powder, which worked the
best, but every annual they were stuck tight. Bob U.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jaybannist@cs.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I have posted drawings of my access panel. Let me know if you
would like me to e-mail them to you. I set the doubler in silicone
sealant. When I install the cover plate, I will run a bead of silicone
around the exposed part of the doubler and cover that with Saran before
temporarily fastening the cover. When the silicone has cured, I will
remove the cover and Saran and have a "permanent" gasket.
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
> Do not archive
>
>
> John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com> wrote:
>
<johnd@data-tech.com>
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to
putting
> >on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory
seems
> >to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear
of the
> >panel.
> >
> >So it seems like the options are:
> >
> >A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin
removable. As I
> >have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to
be
> >fitted, so thats a lot of work.
> >
> >B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels
on the
> >top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only
> >concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access
> >panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ?
> >
> >Your thoughts/Ideas ?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >John Davis
> >Burnsville, NC
> >601XL QB - Jab 3300
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Hirth Engine |
Steve
You should try Bert Flood and see if he has any tradins at present.
I bought one two years ago out of time 1200 hrs ok for home built for $7000
with oil tank.
No prop radiator oil cooler etc.
Graeme CNS
----- Original Message -----
From: "secatur" <appraise1@bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hirth Engine
>
> Gee Chris, Please don't tell the hundreds of people (myself included!)
> that the Subaru EA-81 is too heavy for our successful 701 aircraft !
> Also please inform me when next you see a 912 for $10k ! I'll buy it sight
> unseen and make a handsome profit on the same day resale!
> Steve from Perth
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139351#139351
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/06_169.jpg
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>
> --
> 05/10/2007 18:53
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever
met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception.
The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation
Use" note on some of their muffler's.
I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide
to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be calling
911 as well ...
Jeff
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as the USA.
BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use of one of their
engines in a homebuilt.
>
> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto parts
if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft.
>
>
>
> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Come out of your shell man.
> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think that
GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of your own
risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design parameters??
> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might come off
and smite you.
> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
> >
> > Joe Motis
> > Do not archive
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re; Wing Spars Done! Bolts? |
Thanks to all for the feedback on bolt direction. Clearly it will be a
while before I need to make a decision!
I, too used a variant of the arbor press method of rivet smashing, and I
think the results were quite good (although I did manage to acquire more
rivet-removing skills than I had hoped!)
Jeff Kafka
601XL Plans
Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done
Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings
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| Subject: | Re: Like to see a 601 HD or XL |
If you want to see in an HD and XL come to Thomaston Airport (OPN) about 50
miles south of Atlanta. If you come on a weekend I'll be happy to take you up
in my XL. If you can fly, I'll let you at the controls. My treat. Jim Hoak has
a HD at the same airport and I'm sure he would be happy to let you examine it.
Let me know off list. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 w/DC 120 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) |
I've sent a write up and pictures to the matronics photoshare thingy. I guess
you have to wait awhile for it to get to the fileshare/photoshare
facility. I've also sent it to Mark up at the ch601.org web site. I'll also
attach all of it to this note. If you can't find it, send me a note and I'll
e-mail you what I have.
Dave
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Dave Miller
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
I've got a super trapp on my engine ,help's the with the tuning works
great... I developed and sold the frist cordless miter saw back in 1996,used
the DEWALT cordless skillsaw for power, improvrd it to do more thing's
better! took their name off of the motor asumed all responsibility for it
and all they did was rattle they're saber's and whine like a bitch, Oh! I
almost forgot,They (DEWALT) bought one on what they thought was the sly,to
look it over.The fact is, when you buy some thing it's yours to do with what
ever you chose, you can add to or take away from it what ever IT'S YOURS!...
They make good tools ,but the people that run the co. are a bunch of pencil
neck Tool Nazi's and think just because that they didn't think of it, it
should not be possible..Then there'n Harley Davison, we bought there
engine's developed a re-drive ,made it work in a airplane,but we couldn't
call our co." HOG-AIR"THEY owned the word" Hog" we didn't want to spend the
money fighting them so we let the pigs have the hog word back..Just a
WARNING don't us the word hog with anything like hog-wash,sweat hog
,hog -shit hog heaven, hog wild,hog trough,(the farmer's could be in real
trouble with that one) hog feed ,hog farmer, hog breath, hog -roast, ect
you must be careful the Hog- Patrol is out there! NOW are you ready for
this!! The man that designed,and built the Supper Trapp mufler, sold his
conpany for over 7 million dollars, did so ,so that he could further his
life goal of building a" Flying Car" that he's been working on for over 40
years.... How about those "Apples" DO NOT USE ON AIRECRAFT !, Mabye some one
should call 911!,but for who???? Joe
N101HD601XL/RAM (now you know what HD in N101HD stands for) We had
reserved the no . 102HD,103HD,104HD,105HD,but my UNCLE took them for "
Homeland Defense"
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
>
> This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
> school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever
> met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
> thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
>
> Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
> disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
> being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
> worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception.
>
> The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
> anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation
> Use" note on some of their muffler's.
>
> I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
> verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide
> to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be
> calling
> 911 as well ...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
>> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as
>> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use
>> of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>>
>> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto
>> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Come out of your shell man.
>> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think
>> > that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation
>> > of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published
>> > design parameters??
>> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might come
>> > off and smite you.
>> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
>> >
>> > Joe Motis
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139394#139394
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) |
Wow Dave!
Your write-up and pics are exactly what I was looking for. Very ingenious. Thanks
for posting them here, and at the 601 site. Posts like yours are one of the
reasons I still stay on this list. Thanks again for willingly sharing your
set-up.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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Dear Listers
If you are in flying or driving distance of San Antonio, there is going to
be an event this Saturday, 10/13 to support Angel Flight. The local morning
show had a crew come out yesterday to give the event a plug. I've attached
links to the video they shot. You might see a familiar Zodiac in the
background. The weather looks nice for the weekend, so f you have the time,
come out and visit.
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=455754@video.woai.com&nav
CatId=13
http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=455729@video.woai.com&nav
CatId=13
If the links don't work, you can go to http://www.woai.com/home.aspx, click
on the SA Living tab and find the video for Car and Airshow, and Car and
Airshow part 2
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
n282rs at satx.rr.com
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| Subject: | New style flap actuator |
Hello everyone,
My name is Carlos Hernandez and I'm in Arizona. Please excuse me for not
owning a Zenith aircraft but I have some questions about the linear flap
actuator that are now being used in them. I own and fly a Pazmany PL-1,
which is very similar in size and performance to the 601, with manual
flaps and we want to convert to electric flaps. Now I've read the
archives but not much has been mentioned about the performance of the
new style unit compared to the original heavier and more costly
actuator. I was told that there are several flying with this unit. The
old unit number is D145-00-36-3 and the newer version is DE12-17W41. I
have an A&P who is persistent in using the more expensive unit that has
"a track record". I'm not looking to debate the A&P, he's a good friend
and I do greatly respect his knowledge and opinion. I just don't allows
agree with him. So I'm more or less looking for testimonials and/or
experiences with the new style actuator. Do you trust it less/same/more
than the original? I'm looking into these because they're lighter, less
expensive and, if need be, easily replaceable.
Thank you for your time ladies and gents!
Carlos
--
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Structural Engineers, LLC
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
Fax: 480.968.8608
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Randy, Your Zodiac (flyable experimental thing) looks great in the background!
Any one flying in had better check out the massive TFR around Waco and stay clear!
Jay in Dallas
"Randy Stout" <n282rs@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Listers
>
>If you are in flying or driving distance of San Antonio, there is going to
>be an event this Saturday, 10/13 to support Angel Flight. The local morning
>show had a crew come out yesterday to give the event a plug. I've attached
>links to the video they shot. You might see a familiar Zodiac in the
>background. The weather looks nice for the weekend, so f you have the time,
>come out and visit.
>
>http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=455754@video.woai.com&nav
>CatId=13
>
>http://www.woai.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=455729@video.woai.com&nav
>CatId=13
>
>If the links don't work, you can go to http://www.woai.com/home.aspx, click
>on the SA Living tab and find the video for Car and Airshow, and Car and
>Airshow part 2
>
>Randy Stout
>San Antonio TX
>www.geocities.com/n282rs
>n282rs at satx.rr.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
I can say for fact that Summit Racing supply will not sell me anything i
f I even mention " experimental aircraft". I have got that response from
several of their order takers so it is a protocol they must stress on t
heir employees. I called one day to order about 1000.00 bucks worth of M
SD ignition stuff for my toy and they refused to sell it to me. I then c
alled Jegs high performance and they not only were hip on the idea of an
auto engine in a plane the guy actually went to my website while I was
on the phone with him and he came back with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL.....
Both vendors were within a few cents of each other on price and from the
n on Jegs got all my business, and still does. Just my two cents worth.
..
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N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ev
er
met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception.
The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviatio
n
Use" note on some of their muffler's.
I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might deci
de
to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be call
ing
911 as well ...
Jeff
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known a
s the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the us
e of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>
> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto
parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft.
>
>
>
> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Come out of your shell man.
> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you thi
nk that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation
of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published de
sign parameters??
> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might c
ome off and smite you.
> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
> >
> > Joe Motis
> > Do not archive
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: New style flap actuator |
Hi Carlos,
I am replying with anecdotal information I got from email posts
rather than experience, so don't take my comments too seriously. I
also had a conversation with an engineer at ZAC over the actuator question.
First let me say the reason I spoke to ZAC over this issue is the old
unit didn't give me full displacement on the flaps. The drawings
call for 30 degrees and I was getting around 28. The engineer at
Zenith told me the new actuator only gives 20 degrees in this design.
The other comment I have is some builder posted a complaint about
run-away flaps a few months ago. I don't know which actuator he had,
but apparently it wasn't the old "tried and true" heavy and expensive actuator.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 02:03 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote:
>
>Hello everyone,
>My name is Carlos Hernandez and I'm in Arizona. Please excuse me for
>not owning a Zenith aircraft but I have some questions about the
>linear flap actuator that are now being used in them. I own and fly
>a Pazmany PL-1, which is very similar in size and performance to the
>601, with manual flaps and we want to convert to electric flaps. Now
>I've read the archives but not much has been mentioned about the
>performance of the new style unit compared to the original heavier
>and more costly actuator. I was told that there are several flying
>with this unit. The old unit number is D145-00-36-3 and the newer
>version is DE12-17W41. I have an A&P who is persistent in using the
>more expensive unit that has "a track record". I'm not looking to
>debate the A&P, he's a good friend and I do greatly respect his
>knowledge and opinion. I just don't allows agree with him. So I'm
>more or less looking for testimonials and/or experiences with the
>new style actuator. Do you trust it less/same/more than the
>original? I'm looking into these because they're lighter, less
>expensive and, if need be, easily replaceable.
>
>Thank you for your time ladies and gents!
>Carlos
>
>--
>Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com>
>Structural Engineers, LLC
>2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
>Chandler, AZ 85224
>Phone: 480.968.8600
>Fax: 480.968.8608
>www.sec-engr.com
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| Subject: | 701 with Jab 3300 |
List:
I am at the stage where I need to make a decision on the engine to
use in my 701. I had the Jab 3300 (A very early one) in my 601 and
did have cooling problems below 95 mph. That is the upper limit of
the envelope for the 701 so I am wondering if anyone has a Jab 3300
(current version) in a flying 701 and, if so, are you having any
cooling problems?
Stan
N701VG (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
Ben, in retrospect, that happend to us on the harley eng. The harley
ignition would not work because we didn't have a speed-o or turn signals
on our 601, so we had to find a new source The BIG well known
manufacture in Daytona Beach couldn't sell us because, LEGAL DEPT. said
no So we went to manu. in California, they said "great,"Cool , That
will show how good we are . Our ignition in a airplane. How can we help
?" Scared money never won nothing" Joe
N101HD 601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
I can say for fact that Summit Racing supply will not sell me anything
if I even mention " experimental aircraft". I have got that response
from several of their order takers so it is a protocol they must stress
on their employees. I called one day to order about 1000.00 bucks worth
of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they refused to sell it to me. I
then called Jegs high performance and they not only were hip on the idea
of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually went to my website while I
was on the phone with him and he came back with a "GEEZ" that is
KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of each other on price
and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still does. Just my two
cents worth...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com> wrote:
This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I
ever
met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they
thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare
exception.
The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for
Aviation
Use" note on some of their muffler's.
I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might
decide
to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be
calling
911 as well ...
Jeff
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known
as the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the
use of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>
> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their
auto parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an
aircraft.
>
>
>
> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Come out of your shell man.
> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you
think that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an
situation of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their
published design parameters??
> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might
come off and smite you.
> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
> >
> > Joe Motis
> > Do not archive
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
I feel that if anyone were not to sell you anything because "they" do not
want to for whatever reason and then sell it to the next person who walks
through the door is discrimination by the dictionary definition. Where would the
line be? No sale of anything that could be used on your aircraft would start
at about "alternator and go to at least z clips.
An experimental aircraft is just that.
Also, stamping not for aircraft use means absolutely nothing. It is similar
to the people that want to see your receipt when you walk out the door at some
Home Depots. I say "no thanks" because it is mine I paid for it and it is
none of your damn business. Including looking at the receipt which is also my
property. The burden of responsibility passed when the store took my money in
exchange for the goods and the receipt.
If you buy a toaster and make toast while soaking in the tub, your
electrocution ain't Proctor/ Silex's fault...
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
Orchards Supply has aircraft cable for sale by the foot. They also have
a sign that says "not for aircraft use".
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
You are 100% correct......
----- Original Message -----
From: Joemotis@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
I feel that if anyone were not to sell you anything because "they" do
not want to for whatever reason and then sell it to the next person who
walks through the door is discrimination by the dictionary definition.
Where would the line be? No sale of anything that could be used on your
aircraft would start at about "alternator and go to at least z clips.
An experimental aircraft is just that.
Also, stamping not for aircraft use means absolutely nothing. It is
similar to the people that want to see your receipt when you walk out
the door at some Home Depots. I say "no thanks" because it is mine I
paid for it and it is none of your damn business. Including looking at
the receipt which is also my property. The burden of responsibility
passed when the store took my money in exchange for the goods and the
receipt.
If you buy a toaster and make toast while soaking in the tub, your
electrocution ain't Proctor/ Silex's fault...
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| Subject: | Re: Wings & Wheels now restricted area |
Interesting timing,
last weekend in our dove hunting camp was a Secret Service dude
stationed at the Crawford Ranch. Over dinner I told him the story of a
buddy that got a visit from an F-16 even thou his GPS showed him 2-3
miles OUTSIDE the restricted area. He told me that the ACTUAL ring
follows the President around the property so if Dubya is out at the
street checking the mailbox or gabbing with the neighbors the ring is
different than if he's at the Back Forty checking the fenceline .
He ALSO told me that if you get within 40 miles a decision is being made
whether to jump you or not, depending on several things, NONE of which
he was willing to share. What I gathered thou was DON'T run at the
Circle and plan to make a 90* turn at the last minute, might get a visit
, if you skirt it, stay 5 miles outside and all stays calm.
LOW&SLO John Bolding
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wings & Wheels
Randy, Your Zodiac (flyable experimental thing) looks great in the
background!
Any one flying in had better check out the massive TFR around Waco and
stay clear!
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
Is it written in Chinese also , I only read Chinese.
A sign is a weak defense at best even in attractive nuisance situations
involving children.
Does their sign also mean I cannot hang my 1/4 scale P 38 Lightning from the
rafters because of their sign. It would clearly be for aircraft use. Or I
was pulling my 152 out of a mud
hole and it snapped? Or I built a prop lock and someone stole the airplane
and tried to fly with it on and crashed? Or I made tie downs and they broke in
a windstorm.? When you buy a car is their a sign telling you not to run over
people??
Joe Motis
Do not archive
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| Subject: | 701 welded kit parts |
Do the parts that need to be welded in the kit arrive welded, or just tube stock?
I'm thinking of buying the welded parts separately instead of fabricating them.
Also the fuel tanks, other kit MFGs, I believe, offer tanks kits that are riveted
together with sealant in the seams.? True? Comments on longevity of said sealants?
I can weld pretty well, but no one has ever inspected/tested my welds (since high
school, a looong time ago) and I don't want to worry about it.
Kevin
--------
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
Is the Harley engine still offered on the 601 and what is the company
called if you are still doing the conversions. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
<purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
I've got a super trapp on my engine ,help's the with the tuning works
great... I developed and sold the frist cordless miter saw back in
1996,used
the DEWALT cordless skillsaw for power, improvrd it to do more
thing's
better! took their name off of the motor asumed all responsibility
for it
and all they did was rattle they're saber's and whine like a bitch,
Oh! I
almost forgot,They (DEWALT) bought one on what they thought was the
sly,to
look it over.The fact is, when you buy some thing it's yours to do
with what
ever you chose, you can add to or take away from it what ever IT'S
YOURS!...
They make good tools ,but the people that run the co. are a bunch of
pencil
neck Tool Nazi's and think just because that they didn't think of it,
it
should not be possible..Then there'n Harley Davison, we bought there
engine's developed a re-drive ,made it work in a airplane,but we
couldn't
call our co." HOG-AIR"THEY owned the word" Hog" we didn't want to
spend the
money fighting them so we let the pigs have the hog word back..Just a
WARNING don't us the word hog with anything like hog-wash,sweat hog
,hog -shit hog heaven, hog wild,hog trough,(the farmer's could be in
real
trouble with that one) hog feed ,hog farmer, hog breath, hog -roast,
ect
you must be careful the Hog- Patrol is out there! NOW are you ready
for
this!! The man that designed,and built the Supper Trapp mufler, sold
his
conpany for over 7 million dollars, did so ,so that he could further
his
life goal of building a" Flying Car" that he's been working on for
over 40
years.... How about those "Apples" DO NOT USE ON AIRECRAFT !, Mabye
some one
should call 911!,but for who????
Joe
N101HD601XL/RAM (now you know what HD in N101HD stands for)
We had
reserved the no . 102HD,103HD,104HD,105HD,but my UNCLE took them for "
Homeland Defense"
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
>
> This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high
> school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody
I ever
> met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if
they
> thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
>
> Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very
> disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
> being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly
> worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare
exception.
>
> The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about
> anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for
Aviation
> Use" note on some of their muffler's.
>
> I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and
> verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might
decide
> to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be
> calling
> 911 as well ...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
>> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise
known as
>> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the
use
>> of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>>
>> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their
auto
>> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an
aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Come out of your shell man.
>> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you
think
>> > that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an
situation
>> > of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their
published
>> > design parameters??
>> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it
might come
>> > off and smite you.
>> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
>> >
>> > Joe Motis
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139394#139394
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) |
Thanks, you just saved me $$$ :D
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: 701 welded kit parts |
Kevin,
The parts come welded from Zenith. Just clean, paint and install. The Tanks
are welded aluminum, they have a couple of welders that do a remarkable job. I
watched them both at the open house and to say I was impressed is an
understatemet. Truly outstanding work.
Wayne
701 plans building.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 welded kit parts |
Hi Kevin,
I used to think I could weld too. After seeing all the absolutely
gorgeous welding done on kit parts from Zenith, I decided my own
welding needs a lot more work.
I am building a 601XL from standard kit and all the welding was done
on the kit parts. That includes welded aluminum fuel tanks and many
welded steel assemblies. I presume the 701 kit is produced in a
similar fashion.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 06:06 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote:
>
>Do the parts that need to be welded in the kit arrive welded, or
>just tube stock? I'm thinking of buying the welded parts separately
>instead of fabricating them.
>
>Also the fuel tanks, other kit MFGs, I believe, offer tanks kits
>that are riveted together with sealant in the seams.? True? Comments
>on longevity of said sealants?
>
>I can weld pretty well, but no one has ever inspected/tested my
>welds (since high school, a looong time ago) and I don't want to
>worry about it.
>
>Kevin
>
>------
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| Subject: | Re: 701 welded kit parts |
Thanks guys, one more issue checked off :D :D :D
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: 701 welded kit parts |
My cousin is a union Foreman welder, on nuclear power plants and I can stick weld
pretty close to him....but if you get out the cool welders .... I LOOSE BIG
TIME.
Kevin
[quote="the(at)ATT.NET"]Hi Kevin,
I used to think I could weld too. After seeing all the absolutely
gorgeous welding done on kit parts from Zenith, I decided my own
welding needs a lot more work.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 06:06 PM 10/11/2007, you wrote:
[quote]
[Crying or Very sad] [Crying or Very sad] [Crying or Very sad]
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| Subject: | New style flap actuator |
The run-away actuator was with the Surplus Center actuator and actually
cause by the electronic controller available from the same source. With a
hard toggle switch there is no power available to the actuator (of any make
or model) and it can't run away. Others include a circuit breaker in the
flap motor circuit to add a back-up disconnect.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. |
You can talk to brett@ skyRay .com , I think he's still selling engs and
re -drive packages , not sure. I'am not part of it any more. Joe
N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Unternaehrer
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
Is the Harley engine still offered on the 601 and what is the company
called if you are still doing the conversions. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
<purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
I've got a super trapp on my engine ,help's the with the tuning
works
great... I developed and sold the frist cordless miter saw back in
1996,used
the DEWALT cordless skillsaw for power, improvrd it to do more
thing's
better! took their name off of the motor asumed all responsibility
for it
and all they did was rattle they're saber's and whine like a bitch,
Oh! I
almost forgot,They (DEWALT) bought one on what they thought was the
sly,to
look it over.The fact is, when you buy some thing it's yours to do
with what
ever you chose, you can add to or take away from it what ever IT'S
YOURS!...
They make good tools ,but the people that run the co. are a bunch of
pencil
neck Tool Nazi's and think just because that they didn't think of
it, it
should not be possible..Then there'n Harley Davison, we bought
there
engine's developed a re-drive ,made it work in a airplane,but we
couldn't
call our co." HOG-AIR"THEY owned the word" Hog" we didn't want to
spend the
money fighting them so we let the pigs have the hog word back..Just
a
WARNING don't us the word hog with anything like hog-wash,sweat hog
,hog -shit hog heaven, hog wild,hog trough,(the farmer's could be in
real
trouble with that one) hog feed ,hog farmer, hog breath, hog -roast,
ect
you must be careful the Hog- Patrol is out there! NOW are you
ready for
this!! The man that designed,and built the Supper Trapp mufler, sold
his
conpany for over 7 million dollars, did so ,so that he could further
his
life goal of building a" Flying Car" that he's been working on for
over 40
years.... How about those "Apples" DO NOT USE ON AIRECRAFT !, Mabye
some one
should call 911!,but for who????
Joe
N101HD601XL/RAM (now you know what HD in N101HD stands for)
We had
reserved the no . 102HD,103HD,104HD,105HD,but my UNCLE took them for
"
Homeland Defense"
----- Original Message -----
From: "n85ae" <n85ae@yahoo.com>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
>
> This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through
high
> school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure,
anybody I ever
> met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if
they
> thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL!
>
> Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very
very
> disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about
> being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were
possibly
> worried about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare
exception.
>
> The only company I have ever come across that had any concern
about
> anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for
Aviation
> Use" note on some of their muffler's.
>
> I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts
and
> verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they
might decide
> to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might
be
> calling
> 911 as well ...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Gig Giacona wrote:
>> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise
known as
>> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for
the use
>> of one of their engines in a homebuilt.
>>
>> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their
auto
>> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an
aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Come out of your shell man.
>> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do
you think
>> > that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an
situation
>> > of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their
published
>> > design parameters??
>> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it
might come
>> > off and smite you.
>> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ.
>> >
>> > Joe Motis
>> > Do not archive
>> >
>>
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