---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/12/07: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 10/10/07 (Alvin Rose) 2. 01:03 AM - 601xl plans (Mike Bauman) 3. 01:44 AM - Re: Hirth Engine (secatur) 4. 02:37 AM - Re: 701 with Jab 3300 (Eric Tiethoff) 5. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (MacDonald Doug) 6. 04:00 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Mike Hoffman) 7. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Trainnut01@aol.com) 8. 05:46 AM - Re: 601xl plans (Southern Reflections) 9. 05:50 AM - Re: 701 welded kit parts (Ken Arnold) 10. 06:37 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n85ae) 11. 07:07 AM - Re: 701 with Jab 3300 (LRM) 12. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (LRM) 13. 07:19 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Gig Giacona) 14. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 15. 09:24 AM - Motor mount (Bob Unternaehrer) 16. 10:20 AM - ch750 (Terry Fogelson) 17. 10:48 AM - Re: Motor mount (Bob Duns) 18. 12:15 PM - Re: Motor mount (Al Hays) 19. 01:14 PM - Re: ch750 (LouB) 20. 04:30 PM - Flight instructor and examiner wanted (mosquito56) 21. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n801bh@netzero.com) 22. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n801bh@netzero.com) 23. 04:42 PM - Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted (xavierzr@HOTMAIL.COM) 24. 04:59 PM - CH 701 flying (SockPuppet61) 25. 05:23 PM - Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted (Clyde Barcus) 26. 05:51 PM - Re: CH 701 flying (river1) 27. 06:00 PM - Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 28. 07:11 PM - Re: Motor mount (Bob Unternaehrer) 29. 07:11 PM - Splicing Tiny Wires...? (PatrickW) 30. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (William Dominguez) 31. 07:43 PM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (Bryan Martin) 32. 08:50 PM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (DaveG601XL) 33. 08:56 PM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (GLJSOJ1) 34. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (Paul Mulwitz) 35. 09:51 PM - Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted (craig@craigandjean.com) 36. 10:25 PM - Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted (mosquito56) 37. 10:33 PM - General Instrument and engine questions. first of a million (mosquito56) 38. 10:40 PM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (mosquito56) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:25 AM PST US From: "Alvin Rose" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 10/10/07 I have just completed my CH-701 SP aircraft and it is ready to fly What is the best tire preasure for the tires...Also best performance speed...Best takeoff speed...best climb speed...Best approach speed with and without flaps Alvin Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zenith-List Digest Server" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 49 Msgs - 10/10/07 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. 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The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-10-10&Archive=Zenith > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-10-10&Archive=Zenith > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Zenith-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 10/10/07: 49 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 01:17 AM - Re: Hirth Engine (chrisoz@bmail.com.au) > 2. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory (Paul Mulwitz) > 3. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory (Jonathan > Starke) > 4. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: XL Landing Gear (Debo Cox) > 5. 04:22 AM - Safety wire twister (Geoff Heap) > 6. 04:32 AM - Like to see a 601 HD or XL (Woody sulloway) > 7. 05:13 AM - Re: Like to see a 601 HD or XL (Craig Payne) > 8. 06:14 AM - Re: Contact Magazine (ashontz) > 9. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (MacDonald Doug) > 10. 06:45 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (n85ae) > 11. 06:47 AM - Re: Hirth aircraft engines (MacDonald Doug) > 12. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. () > 13. 08:20 AM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Gig Giacona) > 14. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded response > (William Dominguez) > 15. 09:30 AM - ZINC CHROMATE:UPDATE (GLJSOJ1) > 16. 09:32 AM - Re: Like to see a 601 HD or XL (GLJSOJ1) > 17. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (MacDonald Doug) > 18. 10:02 AM - access panels (Carlos Sa) > 19. 10:30 AM - Instrument Panel Access (John Davis) > 20. 11:15 AM - Re: Vixen file with holder () > 21. 11:58 AM - Re: access panels (DaveG601XL) > 22. 12:02 PM - Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > (tigermiller) > 23. 12:23 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) > 24. 12:34 PM - Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Kafka, Jeff) > 25. 01:05 PM - Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Bryan Martin) > 26. 01:14 PM - Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Beckman, Rick) > 27. 01:20 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (milreed) > 28. 01:23 PM - Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (MacDonald Doug) > 29. 01:45 PM - Fw: Instrument Panel Access (Schloss) > 30. 01:58 PM - Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > (Gary Boothe) > 31. 02:19 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Gig Giacona) > 32. 02:42 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (VideoFlyer@aol.com) > 33. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: XL Landing Gear (David Downey) > 34. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Bill Naumuk) > 35. 03:07 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Graeme) > 36. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) > 37. 03:12 PM - Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Bryan Martin) > 38. 03:49 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (GLJSOJ1) > 39. 04:56 PM - Re: CH701 Usable Fuel (kmccune) > 40. 04:59 PM - Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > (kmccune) > 41. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > (Gary Boothe) > 42. 05:30 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel Access (Gary Ray) > 43. 05:43 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Bob Unternaehrer) > 44. 06:22 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Jaybannist@cs.com) > 45. 07:19 PM - Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > (kmccune) > 46. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel Access (Southern Reflections) > 47. 07:42 PM - Re: access panels (Ron Lendon) > 48. 07:56 PM - Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? (Ron Lendon) > 49. 08:54 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (T. Graziano) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:17:30 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hirth Engine > From: chrisoz@bmail.com.au > > > Hello Martyn, > > you are right, they are too good to be true. The engines run beatifully > when they run, but have a serious reliability issue. A friend of mine had > the 100hp 3 cylinder version, and had two engine failures within the first > 50 hours. When he tried to contact Hirth after the second one, they just > ignored him and never answered back. The customer service is attrocious, > and even with the advantage of speakin german you can not get them to talk > to you. > > It is a shame as Hirth is one of the oldest aircraft engine manufacturers > in the world, dating back to the 1920s. But the current Hirth is not > comparable to those reliable engines from Klemm and Luftwaffe days. > > I would take a Subaru any day over a Hirth, but that is a bit heavy for > the 701. By far the best choice for the 701 remains the 912, there were a > few on ebay a short time ago, new for $10,000 each, the price of a > Hirth... > > Cheers, > > Chris from Perth, Australia > >> Good Day all, >> >> I have gone through the archives and I have not found anything really >> conclusive regarding Hirth powerplants as a viable alternative. >> >> The 3 cylinder 100 HP fuel injected 2 stroke, weighing in at 45kg's >> (99lb's) seems too good to be true. >> >> Anybody out there that runs a Hirth or knows of someone who has one. I'd >> really like to get their feedback regarding these engines. >> >> Blue Skies everyone, >> >> Martyn Ward >> CH701 ZU-DPL >> >> Do Not Archive >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:07:24 AM PST US > From: Paul Mulwitz > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory > > > Hi Martyn, > > That HIrth engine does sound too good to be true. > > This is the first I've heard of it, so I can't add to the information > pool. I would like to ask you to relay any information you get back > to this group, though. The weight and horsepower sound ideal for the > 601 and perhaps even a little on the high power side for the 701. > > It would be great if we had another engine to add to the fray. > > Paul > XL, fuselage, Jabiru 3300 > do not archive > > > At 10:37 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote: >> >>Good Day all, >> >>I have gone through the archives and I have not found anything really >>conclusive regarding Hirth powerplants as a viable alternative. >> >>The 3 cylinder 100 HP fuel injected 2 stroke, weighing in at 45kg's >>(99lb's) seems too good to be true. >> >>Anybody out there that runs a Hirth or knows of someone who has one. I'd >>really like to get their feedback regarding these engines. >> >>Blue Skies everyone, >> >>Martyn Ward >>CH701 ZU-DPL >> >>Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:05:01 AM PST US > From: "Jonathan Starke" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Open Hangar day Zenith Factory > > > Martyn, > > You should get hold of Donald Williamson, in Cape Town.. > > I don't have his number, but his website is: www.produx.co.za > > He has a Hirth installed in his RANS S10. > > Cheers > Jonathan Starke > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:52:01 AM PST US > From: Debo Cox > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL Landing Gear > > Hey Dave, > > That sounds like exactly what I was thinking would work. I'm still a long > way > from bending mine, but would love to see the pics and read the details of > your > method when you make it happen. Good luck with it! > > Debo Cox > Scratch-built XL/Corvair > Nags Head, NC > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:22:47 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Safety wire twister > From: "Geoff Heap" > > > Can anyone recommend one of the cheap wire twisters from Assco. > Thanks...Geoff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139136#139136 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:32:12 AM PST US > From: "Woody sulloway" > Subject: Zenith-List: Like to see a 601 HD or XL > > Hi folks, > I'm based in coastal North Carolina, Morehead City and interested in > buying A Zenith 601. If anyone has one that I could visit to see and sit > in, I'd appreciate it. > > I'm going to be in Atlanta next week from the 17th through the 21st if > any one has one I could visit in the Atlanta area feel free to contact > me here or off list. > > Thanks, > > Woody Sulloway > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:13:46 AM PST US > From: "Craig Payne" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Like to see a 601 HD or XL > > > You could visit AMD in Eastman, Georgia (outside of Macon) and sit in one > of > their factory-built 601XL's. But it looks like it is about two hours from > Atlanta: > > "Directions from Atlanta to AMD in Eastman GA. > > Take I-75 South to Macon (one hour). Stay on I-75. Do not take the by-pass > at Macon. > Take I-16 to highway 23 (10 min.). Exit #6 > Take 23 South/East to Eastman (50 min.) " > > www.newplane.com > > -- Craig > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:14:30 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Contact Magazine > From: "ashontz" > > > Good for you. And other people actually enjoy building experimental > aircraft, hence > the seperate certification. > > [quote="j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl"]Well I'm NOT ! I believe in aircraft > engines, > NOT the middele age stuff (lycoming, big is not beautifull !) or > automotive > use. Rotax is my favourite. Designed for aircraft use, well built, mean > and > lean. > > > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Eric Tiethoff > > j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl (j.e.tiethoff@hccnet.nl) > > tel: 0031 35 6247726 > fax: 0031 84 7208379 > gsm: 0031 61 2365880 > >> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Namens >> n801bh@netzero.com >> Verzonden: dinsdag 9 oktober 2007 0:44 >> Aan: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Onderwerp: Re: Contact Magazine >> >> >> >> I have received that magazine for a few years now. Good articles and >> pretty > honest in all the reviews they do on various auto engine conversions. I am > a > BIG auto engine conversion believer YMMV. >> >> do not archive >> >> >> Ben Haas >> N801BH >> www.haaspowerair.com >> >> -- "ashontz" wrote: >> >> http://www.contactmagazine.com/contact1.html >> >> Does anyone receive this? This looks like what the old EAA >> Experimenter magazine > used to be before they stopped publishing it and instead started putting > on the new glossy ad filled rag. >> >> -------- >> Andy Shontz >> CH601XL - Corvair >> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=138813#138813 >> >> ========================bsp; - The Zenith-List >> Em============================================= >> > >> > >> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> > >> > >> > > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter > 1632 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter (http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl) vandaag > nog! >> [b] > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139153#139153 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:35:30 AM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > > NASA is running some kind of Personal Aerial Vehicle > competition kind of like an X-Prize. The idea is that > it will be a first step toward a "Jettson's" world > where we have Aerial Vehicles instead of cars. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > NW Ontario, Canada > > --- Bob Unternaehrer wrote: > >> What is PAV, Bob U. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: MacDonald Doug >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:28 AM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion >> Discussion. >> >> >> >> >> One of the PAV competitors is finding this issue >> with >> GM. They initially got very good support from GM >> with >> the idea of using the LS series V8 but after a >> "Changing of the Guard" at GM, suddenly GM pulled >> their support. The PAV manufacturer says he is in >> discussions with Toyota now. >> >> Oh well, GM's loss on this high profile project. >> >> Doug MacDonald >> CH-701 Scratch builder >> NW Ontario >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:45:22 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > From: "n85ae" > > > Sounds like time to buy a heavy duty Kevlar Umbrella .... That plus > all the car parts flying around up there ... > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139161#139161 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:47:43 AM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hirth aircraft engines > > > If you want to start a really good "Scotchbrite" type > debate on another group, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engines-ul/ > > and ask some Hirth questions. There is quite an > active Rotax vs Hirth debate on that group. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > NW Ontario, Canada > > > --- Paul Mulwitz wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Martyn, >> >> That HIrth engine does sound too good to be true. >> >> This is the first I've heard of it, so I can't add >> to the information >> pool. I would like to ask you to relay any >> information you get back >> to this group, though. The weight and horsepower >> sound ideal for the >> 601 and perhaps even a little on the high power side >> for the 701. >> >> It would be great if we had another engine to add to >> the fray. >> >> Paul >> XL, fuselage, Jabiru 3300 >> do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:49:35 AM PST US > From: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > > You mean that there are people out there who actually don't have their own > airplanes > yet???? > > Dred > > ---- MacDonald Doug wrote: >> >> NASA is running some kind of Personal Aerial Vehicle >> competition kind of like an X-Prize. The idea is that >> it will be a first step toward a "Jettson's" world >> where we have Aerial Vehicles instead of cars. >> >> Doug MacDonald >> CH-701 Scratch Builder >> NW Ontario, Canada > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:20:10 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > From: "Gig Giacona" > > > Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as > the USA. > BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use of one of > their > engines in a homebuilt. > > There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto > parts if > they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft. > > > Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: >> >> Come out of your shell man. >> On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think >> that > GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of your > own risk > and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design parameters?? >> You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might come >> off > and smite you. >> Jesus H. Farkin Christ. >> >> Joe Motis >> Do not archive >> > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139174#139174 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:42:22 AM PST US > From: William Dominguez > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded > response > > The 582 is too weak for a 601. The failures in questions are from the 912 > family > and some could have been caused by fuel starvation. It seems like the > Rotax > was the most common engine used in earlier Zodiacs so this could be the > reason > why there are more failures of Rotax in the NTSB accident database. > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > Miami, Florida > > Graeme wrote: I would be surprised > that the > majority of engine failures would be behind Rotax engines. > Do people use 582 two strokes in 601 I would assume so as they have about > the > same performance as the old 2200 Jabiru. > The two strokes are definatly not as reliable as the 912 four stroke . > If they are 912 failures are fuel starvation problems classed as an > engine failure??? > > Graeme Cairns > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Dominguez > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sorry Guys it is another long winded > response > > > Thanks, > > I did what you described but only for engines flying in Zodiac 601 > airframes. > The majority of Zodiacs accidents where engine failure was the cause > happened > with Rotax engines. However, this is not valid statistic since Rotax > could > be the most common engine used in Zodiacs. There where a couple of > Lycoming, > a couple of Subarus but not Corvairs or Jabirus. But then again, > without > knowing how many of them have been flying, this is inconclusive. > > If I get some time one of these days I'll get this as failures as > percentage > of engine flying in Zodiacs. > > William Dominguez > Zodiac 601XL Plans > Miami Florida. > > steveadams wrote: --> Zenith-List > message > posted by: "steveadams" > > > bill_dom(at)yahoo.com wrote: >> >> > > Can you show me > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > --------------------------------- > Free Release Date: 9/10/2007 4:43 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:30:01 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: ZINC CHROMATE:UPDATE > From: "GLJSOJ1" > > > HI GUYS > JUST CAME BACK FROM GETTING MY "LAST" CAN OF ZINC CHROMATE FROM THE LOCAL > BOAT > REPAIR SHOP AND WAS TOLD THAT THE MANUFACTURE (TEMPO) IS NO LONGER MAKING > IT. > THERE IS ANOTHER COMPANY (MOLLER) (MS) THAT WILL BE PICKING IT UP. ANY > WAY > MY NEXT PROJECT WON'T USE ZINC CHROMATE. > > GLENN > > -------- > 601XL BUILDER > ALMOST DONE > CHESAPEAKE VA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139185#139185 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:32:48 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Like to see a 601 HD or XL > From: "GLJSOJ1" > > > HI WOODY > > IF YOU ARE EVER CLOSE TO CHESAPEAKE MY 601 IS WHERE YOU CAN SIT IN IT, AND > I HAVE > A FRIEND JORDAN THAT HAS A ZODIAC FLYING. AT THE AIRPORT. > > GLENN > > -------- > 601XL BUILDER > ALMOST DONE > CHESAPEAKE VA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139186#139186 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:50:52 AM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > > An example of this is when I went to the local Ski-Doo > dealer to by some recoil parts for my 503 Rotax > ultrlight engine. He said "These aren't going on an > aircraft, are they?" Wink Wink. > > He explained that Ski-Doo forbade them to sell Ski-Doo > parts for ultralight aircraft engines. Makes no sense > to me but those are the rules. > > Doug MacDonald > NW Ontario, Canada > > --- Gig Giacona wrote: > >> >> >> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, >> otherwise known as the USA. BUT, I never said they >> would would be found liable for the use of one of >> their engines in a homebuilt. >> >> There are vendors of parts out there that will not >> ship you their auto parts if they have reason to >> think you are putting them in an aircraft. >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:02:31 AM PST US > From: "Carlos Sa" > Subject: Zenith-List: access panels > > Hello, all > > > I want to install access panels on the (CH601-HD) wing tip, forward of the > spar. > > I would like these to be fairly large (diameter of about 25 cm / 10 > inches), > so I can install and service the strobe later. > I would like to use nut plates and flat had screws, so it has a nice > appearance. > > Can someone recommend parts (part number, source) and tools for the job? > It seems such a simle thing to make, but I stared at the AS&S catalog last > night and couldn't figure which parts / tools to use. > I figure dimpling will be necessary, but have no such tools at this time. > > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > > Carlos > CH601-HD, plans > Montreal, Canada > > ________________________________ Message 19 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:30:36 AM PST US > From: John Davis > Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > Hi All, > > I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting > on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems > to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the > panel. > > So it seems like the options are: > > A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I > have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be > fitted, so thats a lot of work. > > B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the > top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only > concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access > panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? > > Your thoughts/Ideas ? > > Thanks in advance, > John Davis > Burnsville, NC > 601XL QB - Jab 3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:15:11 AM PST US > From: > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vixen file with holder > > I got one of Airparts's vixen files back when they were carrying the > conversions (shortened to about 2" and with a large washer for a handle > epoxied on top), and I like it. Works very well. One other thing to do > with it, though, if you're making one, is to hone down the sharp edges > of the teeth a little bit, to keep it from trying to bit the sheet > metal. A session with some valve grinding compound on a sheet of glass > would reduce the biting ability, and polish the (now) sliding surface. > > Paul Rodriguez > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Winger > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:14 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Vixen file with holder > > > I put my 10" vixen file in the vise and snapped it off to the length I > needed. I then hot glued it to a piece of wood. It has worked great > for 700 hours of building. > > Larry Winger > 601XL/Corvair scratchbuilding > > > On 10/9/07, Robert Schoenberger > > wrote: > > > > List . . . there was a post a while back by someone who had obtained > a > short (1.5") Vixen file with a handle attached. The name of the > supplying company indicated in the e-mail was Airparts, but they > don't > carry this item. Can anyone supply me with info on where one can > buy a > fairly short Vixen file with handle attached.to > the top side? One > catalog listed Vixen files that were flexible - what is that all > about. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List avigator?Zenith-List> > > > ________________________________ Message 21 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:58:37 AM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: access panels > From: "DaveG601XL" > > > Carlos, > > The only supplies you will need are MS21075L3 nut plates, MS20426AD3-2 > rivets (2 > per nut plate) and a screw AN525-10R7 per nut plate. Tools will be a > drill > and snips to cut the holes needed. You do not need to dimple the rivet > heads > if you do not want. I have countersunk mine. You can use a hammer and > flat punch > to set the rivets if you do not have a rivet gun. Here is a picture of > the > hole in my XL wing tip showing the strobe pack inside. It also makes a > good > inspection hole. > > Good Luck, > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail and wings completed, > fueslage almost done, engine next. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139223#139223 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/leftwing_33_204.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 22 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:02:53 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > From: "tigermiller" > > > I'll get a write up and pics of the jig I'm using and get it on the > fileshare thing > for this group. Can't get it done right away, so give me a few days. > Dave > > -------- > Dave Miller > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139224#139224 > > > ________________________________ Message 23 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:23:29 PM PST US > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > John, > > I have posted drawings of my access panel. Let me know if you would like > me to > e-mail them to you. I set the doubler in silicone sealant. When I install > the > cover plate, I will run a bead of silicone around the exposed part of the > doubler > and cover that with Saran before temporarily fastening the cover. When > the silicone has cured, I will remove the cover and Saran and have a > "permanent" > gasket. > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J > Do not archive > > > John Davis wrote: > >> >>Hi All, >> >>I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting >>on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems >>to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the >>panel. >> >>So it seems like the options are: >> >>A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I >>have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be >>fitted, so thats a lot of work. >> >>B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the >>top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only >>concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access >>panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? >> >>Your thoughts/Ideas ? >> >>Thanks in advance, >>John Davis >>Burnsville, NC >>601XL QB - Jab 3300 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 24 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:34:47 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > From: "Kafka, Jeff" > > More than 3 years after starting them (there was a long break), my > plans-built wing spars are done. For me this was a big deal because > dealing with all those solid rivets (without a rivet gun) appeared to be > one of the bigger hurdles in the way of eventual completion. > > To celebrate my minor success, I decide to get a photo of me posing > behind the assembled structural "guts" of my 601XL-to-be. While > assembling, I was unable to find direction in the plans or manual about > the way the twelve bolts connecting the outboard spars to the center > spar should face. Does it matter if the bolt heads are on the forward or > aft side of the spars? Should one alternate them? What about the bolt at > the root of the outboard spars and the ones in the center spar (in the > plans the latter appear to have the bolt heads on the forward side). > > On to finish the remaining rear ribs! > > Jeff Kafka > 601XL Plans > Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done > Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings > Do Not Archive > > > This message (including any attachments) contains confidential > and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to > this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you > have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender > immediately. > > ________________________________ Message 25 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:05:27 PM PST US > From: Bryan Martin > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > > > I put my bolts in with the nuts exposed on the front of the spar for > easy inspection. > > Kafka, Jeff wrote: >> >> To celebrate my minor success, I decide to get a photo of me posing >> behind the assembled structural guts of my 601XL-to-be. While >> assembling, I was unable to find direction in the plans or manual about >> the way the twelve bolts connecting the outboard spars to the center >> spar should face. Does it matter if the bolt heads are on the forward or >> aft side of the spars? Should one alternate them? What about the bolt at >> the root of the outboard spars and the ones in the center spar (in the >> plans the latter appear to have the bolt heads on the forward side). >> > > -- > Bryan Martin > Zenith 601XL N61BM > Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive > Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 26 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:14:37 PM PST US > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > From: "Beckman, Rick" > > > More than 3 years after starting them (there was a long break), my > plans-built wing spars are done. For me this was a big deal because > dealing with all those solid rivets (without a rivet gun) appeared to be > one of the bigger hurdles in the way of eventual completion. > > To celebrate my minor success, I decide to get a photo of me posing > behind the assembled structural "guts" of my 601XL-to-be. While > assembling, I was unable to find direction in the plans or manual about > the way the twelve bolts connecting the outboard spars to the center > spar should face. Does it matter if the bolt heads are on the forward or > aft side of the spars? Should one alternate them? What about the bolt at > the root of the outboard spars and the ones in the center spar (in the > plans the latter appear to have the bolt heads on the forward side). > > On to finish the remaining rear ribs! > > Jeff Kafka > > > My tech counselor told me that bolts go back, in, and down. > > Happy > Building!!!!! > > > Rick Beckman > > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 27 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:20:45 PM PST US > From: "milreed" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Usable Fuel > > Kevin > Gordon Poer has a small tank behind the seat on the right side of his > 701. He runs a 85 HP Continental for power. > When he first flew the craft he did so with gravity feed only from the > wing tanks down behind the seat to the floor. During some moderate > maneuvers he got an air lock in the line and resultant engine failure. I > was just looking at his new setup at the Placerville airport last week. > Now he has a mechanical and electric fuel pumps as well as that small > aux tank which is supplied by the right wing tank only. No more fuel > problemos ! > Mil > > ________________________________ Message 28 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:23:08 PM PST US > From: MacDonald Doug > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > > > Hey Jeff, sounds like a major milestone, congrats. > > Keep in mind that I am a 701 builder and have no > actual data to base this advice on but standard > aircraft procedure dictates that the heads of the > bolts will be forward. That way if the nut came off, > the slipstream would help hold things together. > > Hope this helps in this application. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > > NW Ontario, Canada > > DO not archive > --- "Kafka, Jeff" wrote: > >> More than 3 years after starting them (there was a >> long break), my >> plans-built wing spars are done. For me this was a >> big deal because >> dealing with all those solid rivets (without a rivet >> gun) appeared to be >> one of the bigger hurdles in the way of eventual >> completion. >> >> To celebrate my minor success, I decide to get a >> photo of me posing >> behind the assembled structural "guts" of my >> 601XL-to-be. While >> assembling, I was unable to find direction in the >> plans or manual about >> the way the twelve bolts connecting the outboard >> spars to the center >> spar should face. Does it matter if the bolt heads >> are on the forward or >> aft side of the spars? Should one alternate them? >> What about the bolt at >> the root of the outboard spars and the ones in the >> center spar (in the >> plans the latter appear to have the bolt heads on >> the forward side). >> >> On to finish the remaining rear ribs! >> >> Jeff Kafka >> 601XL Plans >> Tail, Flaps, Ailerons, Spars Done >> Working on Ribs & Assembling Wings >> Do Not Archive > > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! > Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html > > > ________________________________ Message 29 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:45:55 PM PST US > From: "Schloss" > Subject: Fw: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > I have seen sheet metal screws used instead of rivets. > > phil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Davis" > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:14 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting >> on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems >> to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the >> panel. >> >> So it seems like the options are: >> >> A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I >> have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be >> fitted, so thats a lot of work. >> >> B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the >> top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only >> concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access >> panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? >> >> Your thoughts/Ideas ? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> John Davis >> Burnsville, NC >> 601XL QB - Jab 3300 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 30 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:58:12 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > > > Brandon Tucker used to be a regular contributor, but only lingers from > time > to time as he is now enjoying his plane. He did many posts on bending your > own gear. In sum up, he felt it was fairly simple with just a hydraulic > pipe > bender from Harbor Freight. > > > You can read more at the ch601 websight. I am also sure he would be happy > to > discuss his process with anyone who emailed him directly > (btucke73@yahoo.com). > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > > ________________________________ Message 31 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:19:02 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > From: "Gig Giacona" > > > I'm using J-Nuts and screws all the way around the top skin. > > http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagetype=ships&visitorinput=wr.giacona%40suddenlink.net&retrieveoutcome=FAILED_TO_IDENTIFY&inputtype=&search=&resultsContext=ORDNAV&resultsQueryStr=loademailform%3Dtrue > > > SkipperClyde wrote: >> I have seen sheet metal screws used instead of rivets. >> >> phil >> >> >> --- > > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139260#139260 > > > ________________________________ Message 32 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:42:21 PM PST US > From: VideoFlyer@aol.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > > In a message dated 10/10/2007 , wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes: > > <<<>> > > I did the same thing. > > Dave > N618PZ > 601XL/Corvair > > > ________________________________ Message 33 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:57:30 PM PST US > From: David Downey > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL Landing Gear > > In case anyone was referring to my comments about bending the Zodiac gear, > I am not building anymore due to a family crisis. I have bent heavy plate > b > efore in the past though and it is not to be feared. Make sure that the > edg > es of the blank are perfectly smooth (and preferrably radiused), and that > t > he part is located repeatably and you will be fine. =0A=0AI do not have > any > photos of previous setups - I apologize.=0A =0ADave Downey=0AHarleysville > (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: > Deb > o Cox =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: > Wed > nesday, October 10, 2007 5:50:59 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL > Land > ing Gear=0A=0A=0AHey Dave,=0A =0AThat sounds like exactly what I was > thinki > ng would work. I'm still a long way from bending mine, but would love to > se > e the pics and read the details of your method when you make it happen. > Goo > d luck with it!=0A =0ADebo Cox=0AScratch-built XL/Corvair=0ANags Head, NC > -======================= > ============0A=0A=0A =0A_______________________ > _____________________________________________________________=0ALooking > for > a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.=0Ah > ttp://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________ Message 34 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:07:14 PM PST US > From: "Bill Naumuk" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > > At the rate I'm going, I might live to see one!!! > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > >> >> You mean that there are people out there who actually don't have their >> own >> airplanes yet???? >> >> Dred >> >> ---- MacDonald Doug wrote: >>> >>> NASA is running some kind of Personal Aerial Vehicle >>> competition kind of like an X-Prize. The idea is that >>> it will be a first step toward a "Jettson's" world >>> where we have Aerial Vehicles instead of cars. >>> >>> Doug MacDonald >>> CH-701 Scratch Builder >>> NW Ontario, Canada >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 35 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:07:50 PM PST US > From: "Graeme" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > I think the savanna has a good idea for instrument panel. > The hole instrument panel panel is a removable, screwed (probably with > rubber insulation for vibration) to > a riveted in frame for easy access. > > Graeme Cairns > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Davis" > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:14 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting >> on >> the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems to >> be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the >> panel. >> >> So it seems like the options are: >> >> A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I >> have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be >> fitted, so thats a lot of work. >> >> B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the >> top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only concern >> with this approach would be water leaking under the access panel. Any >> ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? >> >> Your thoughts/Ideas ? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> John Davis >> Burnsville, NC >> 601XL QB - Jab 3300 >> >> >> -- >> 269.14.7/1062 - Release Date: 10/10/2007 5:11 PM >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 36 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:10:15 PM PST US > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > > Are you guys aware that the cowling overlaps the forward top skin? > Therefore, > you will have to remove the cowling to remove that skin for access. At > least for > the WW cowling, there is a tapered channel that fastens to the nose bowl > and > the top skin to support and locate the nose bowl. Seems like having to > remove > the cowling kinda' defeats the purpose, or at least makes access a pretty > involved > process. Hopefully, you will never have to access it and then difficulty > becomes a moot point. > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J > Do not archive > > > VideoFlyer@aol.com wrote: > >> >>In a message dated 10/10/2007 , wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes: >> >><<<>> >> >>I did the same thing. >> >>Dave >>N618PZ >>601XL/Corvair >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 37 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:12:13 PM PST US > From: Bryan Martin > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > > > There are two guidelines for installing bolts. A. Install the bolt such > that gravity or aerodynamic forces will tend to keep the bolt in place > in case the nut falls off. B: Install the bolt such that the nut can be > easily inspected for security. > > Since the spar bolts are mounted horizontally inside the fuselage, I > chose to make the nuts easy to inspect. I also did this with the bolts > through the rear spar. I installed these bolts with the nuts visible > from the rear when the flaps are lowered. > -- > Bryan Martin > Zenith 601XL N61BM > Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive > Do Not Archive > > > ________________________________ Message 38 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:49:51 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > From: "GLJSOJ1" > > > HI JOHN > WHAT I DID WAS MARK WHERE THE CANOPY TOUCHED THE FORWARD TOP SKIN AND MADE > A SET > OF ACCESS HOLES ON BOTH SIDES JUST SMALLER SO I COULD PUT ANCHOR NUTS AND > SCREWS > TO HOLD IT IN PLACE. THEN I MADE A LARGE COVER TO COVER BOTH SIDES. IT'S > NOT TOTAL ACCESS, BUT I CAN AT LEAST GET BEHIND THE PANEL > > GLENN > > -------- > 601XL BUILDER > ALMOST DONE > CHESAPEAKE VA > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139283#139283 > > > ________________________________ Message 39 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:56:16 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Usable Fuel > From: "kmccune" > > > I like the shut off vale idea, makes take off a little less exciting! > > I knew that I needed a fuel pump as the outlet would have to be almost > level with > the engine. Why doe it feed off of only one of the wing tanks? > > I also have learned that the guy with the Hawg-Air site (Hog-Air?) has 14 > gallon > wing tanks for sale. Now I still like the stock aluminum ones... but they > could > be larger, say 12 gallons each. > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139292#139292 > > > ________________________________ Message 40 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:59:55 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > From: "kmccune" > > > Ch 601 website? :D > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139293#139293 > > > ________________________________ Message 41 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:07:08 PM PST US > From: "Gary Boothe" > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear > fork) > > > www.ch601.org > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, > Tail done, wings done, working on c-section > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:00 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > > > Ch 601 website? :D > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139293#139293 > > > ________________________________ Message 42 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:30:42 PM PST US > From: "Gary Ray" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > > The tapered top center section of the cowl for the WW nose bowl has hinges > that allow access to the engine compartment from the top. There are only > about four screws in the center that hold this to the top forward skin and > about 6 to 8 screws that hold it to the center top section of the nose > bowl. > This part can be removed in under 1 minute. > > When you remove the top center section of the cowl you expose the firewall > forward to the nose bowl while the top forward skin covers the firewall > backward to the instrument panel. With a nutplated system I can open my > aircraft from the instrument panel to the nosebowl in less than 3 minutes > and replace it in under 5 minutes in two pieces. > > Total work to dimple and rivet nutplates was about 2 to 3 hours extra work > and it makes it easy access when wiring, troubleshooting, repair, > inspections or modifications. I have removed it at least 15 times during > construction and during the first year. I did mine with # 8 floating > nutplates, #8 machine screws made flush with a dimple die in my rivet > squeezer. > The only problem I had was setting rivets in curved sections of the > firewall > flange. Pulling the nutplate down with a screw to make the nutplate > conform > to the curve prior to setting the rivets made it accurate and easy. Also > avoid crimped sections of the firewall when placing the nutplates. > > Gary Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:09 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > >> >> Are you guys aware that the cowling overlaps the forward top skin? > Therefore, you will have to remove the cowling to remove that skin for > access. At least for the WW cowling, there is a tapered channel that > fastens > to the nose bowl and the top skin to support and locate the nose bowl. > Seems like having to remove the cowling kinda' defeats the purpose, or at > least makes access a pretty involved process. Hopefully, you will never > have > to access it and then difficulty becomes a moot point. >> >> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J >> Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 43 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:43:48 PM PST US > From: "Bob Unternaehrer" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > Caution here Jay. I did the silicone thing on a Cessna once and never > could get them to quite sticking. Tried powder, which worked the best, > but every annual they were stuck tight. Bob U. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:22 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > John, > > I have posted drawings of my access panel. Let me know if you would > like me to e-mail them to you. I set the doubler in silicone sealant. > When I install the cover plate, I will run a bead of silicone around the > exposed part of the doubler and cover that with Saran before > temporarily fastening the cover. When the silicone has cured, I will > remove the cover and Saran and have a "permanent" gasket. > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J > Do not archive > > > John Davis wrote: > > > > >Hi All, > > > >I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to > putting > >on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory > seems > >to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of > the > >panel. > > > >So it seems like the options are: > > > >A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. > As I > >have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be > > >fitted, so thats a lot of work. > > > >B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on > the > >top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only > >concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access > >panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? > > > >Your thoughts/Ideas ? > > > >Thanks in advance, > >John Davis > >Burnsville, NC > >601XL QB - Jab 3300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 44 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:22:58 PM PST US > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > Bob, Thanks for the heads up. I just might have to rethink my sealing > method. > Maybe a thin foam tape? - Jay > > do not archive > > "Bob Unternaehrer" wrote: > >>Caution here Jay. I did the silicone thing on a Cessna once and never >>could get > them to quite sticking. Tried powder, which worked the best, but every > annual > they were stuck tight. Bob U. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jaybannist@cs.com >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:22 PM >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access >> >> >> >> John, >> >> I have posted drawings of my access panel. Let me know if you would >> like me > to e-mail them to you. I set the doubler in silicone sealant. When I > install > the cover plate, I will run a bead of silicone around the exposed part of > the > doubler and cover that with Saran before temporarily fastening the cover. > When > the silicone has cured, I will remove the cover and Saran and have a > "permanent" > gasket. >> >> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J >> Do not archive >> >> >> John Davis wrote: >> >> > >> >Hi All, >> > >> >I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting >> >on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory >> seems >> >to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of >> the >> >panel. >> > >> >So it seems like the options are: >> > >> >A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As >> I >> >have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be >> >fitted, so thats a lot of work. >> > >> >B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on >> the >> >top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only >> >concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access >> >panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? >> > >> >Your thoughts/Ideas ? >> > >> >Thanks in advance, >> >John Davis >> >Burnsville, NC >> >601XL QB - Jab 3300 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 45 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:19:43 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Bending the main gear (and the nose gear fork) > From: "kmccune" > > > Thanks..should have guessed! > > > Kevin > > -------- > Kevin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139319#139319 > > > ________________________________ Message 46 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:29:09 PM PST US > From: "Southern Reflections" > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > > Any chance of getting a couple picts? I'am doing a lot on the panel,and > have to take the whole dash top off every time It's a real pain. I was > thinking of a over lap where the cowl would be atached to a short section > that was pop riveted to the top of the fire wall and could ovre lap inside > the plane with screws etc. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Ray" > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > >> >> The tapered top center section of the cowl for the WW nose bowl has >> hinges >> that allow access to the engine compartment from the top. There are only >> about four screws in the center that hold this to the top forward skin >> and >> about 6 to 8 screws that hold it to the center top section of the nose >> bowl. >> This part can be removed in under 1 minute. >> >> When you remove the top center section of the cowl you expose the >> firewall >> forward to the nose bowl while the top forward skin covers the firewall >> backward to the instrument panel. With a nutplated system I can open my >> aircraft from the instrument panel to the nosebowl in less than 3 minutes >> and replace it in under 5 minutes in two pieces. >> >> Total work to dimple and rivet nutplates was about 2 to 3 hours extra >> work >> and it makes it easy access when wiring, troubleshooting, repair, >> inspections or modifications. I have removed it at least 15 times during >> construction and during the first year. I did mine with # 8 floating >> nutplates, #8 machine screws made flush with a dimple die in my rivet >> squeezer. >> The only problem I had was setting rivets in curved sections of the >> firewall >> flange. Pulling the nutplate down with a screw to make the nutplate >> conform >> to the curve prior to setting the rivets made it accurate and easy. Also >> avoid crimped sections of the firewall when placing the nutplates. >> >> Gary Ray >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:09 PM >> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access >> >> >>> >>> Are you guys aware that the cowling overlaps the forward top skin? >> Therefore, you will have to remove the cowling to remove that skin for >> access. At least for the WW cowling, there is a tapered channel that >> fastens >> to the nose bowl and the top skin to support and locate the nose bowl. >> Seems like having to remove the cowling kinda' defeats the purpose, or at >> least makes access a pretty involved process. Hopefully, you will never >> have >> to access it and then difficulty becomes a moot point. >>> >>> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J >>> Do not archive >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 47 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:42:37 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: access panels > From: "Ron Lendon" > > > Carlos, > > I just capped the wing tips but did not add any access holes. I figure > the inspections > can be made through the lights on the left wing and drilling out the > rivets and re-riveting every so often will save weight. YMMV > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139326#139326 > > > ________________________________ Message 48 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:56:41 PM PST US > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing Spars Done! Bolts? > From: "Ron Lendon" > > > Congratulations on reaching that milestone. Here is a picture of my solid > riveting > machine. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139327#139327 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fp01122006a0001k_151.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 49 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:54:39 PM PST US > From: "T. Graziano" > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Instrument Panel Access > > John, > > One of the BEST decisions I made was to make the fwd top skin removable. > I used rivnuts and 6-32 SS screws. Others have used nutplates and J > clips?? etc. > > With the skin removed, you have access not only to the instrument panel, > but to the inside fwd firewall, rudder peddles and cables, steering > rods, brakes, etc. > > Also, I have removal of the top skin part of my annual condition > inspection to check wiring, and other areas under the instrument panel > that would be a real problem to inspect with the skin in place. > > I also have a removable panel aft of the canopy "line" on the top skin. > On it, I have provisions to mount 1 or 2 Garmin GPSs (One for the pilots > side and one for my spouse's side) and have also mounted a vertical > compass card.. Coming through this panel I have compass lighting wiring > and hard wiring for the GPS's through grommeted holes that have a > slots leading to the holes from the edge of the panel.. When I remove > the top skin, I remove this panel first and can leave the wiring intact > by passing it through the slot. > > You can see my instrument panel at > http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo79.html (Zenith Photo Library > #79) as originally finished, but since I have added some "Stuff" , such > as a switch and a blinking light to show "Wig-wag" taxi/landing lights, > another switch to use either Garmin GPS to drive my AP, a light to show > when I have the aux fuel pump on, a Tru-Track T&B, and ... > > I really like what you can easily do with your airplane when it is > "Experimental". If I had to drill out the top skin rivets to gain > access to the instrument panel aft areas, it would not be as much fun > and also I believe would result in a real mess to clean up. > > Tony Graziano > XL/Jab3300; N493TG; 304 hrs > --------------- > Subject: Instrument Panel Access > From: John Davis (johnd@data-tech.com) > Date: Wed Oct 10 - 10:30 AM > > Hi All, > > I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting > on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems > > to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the > > panel. > > So it seems like the options are: > > A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I > > have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be > fitted, so thats a lot of work. > > B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the > > top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only > concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access > panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? > > Your thoughts/Ideas ? > > Thanks in advance, > John Davis > Burnsville, NC > 601XL QB - Jab 3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:46 AM PST US From: Mike Bauman Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl plans Does anyone have a set of zodiac 601xl plans they would like to sell? Thx, Mike _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:06 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Hirth Engine From: "secatur" Thanks...By the time you convert to $Aud,pay freight, and GST..you're looking at $16,000 ++++ Cheapest old Bert had when I checked 6 months ago was $14 2nd hand All reinforcing my point! I'm happy with my 0 hours" EA-81T" FI, Cam, Mod Intake manifold, RFI Redrive, Warp 72" 3 blade (New),All up 84 kg Total cost to date $8200 I did look at Hirth, they really look nice and I know of one operational one which has not given much trouble to date...but it seems to be the exception rather than the rule! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139523#139523 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:11 AM PST US From: "Eric Tiethoff" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 with Jab 3300 What's wrong with the proven 912 in a 701 ? (Exept for low weight, good fuel economy, well documented, reliable). -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Stanley Challgren Verzonden: vrijdag 12 oktober 2007 0:47 Aan: Zenith List Onderwerp: Zenith-List: 701 with Jab 3300 List: I am at the stage where I need to make a decision on the engine to use in my 701. I had the Jab 3300 (A very early one) in my 601 and did have cooling problems below 95 mph. That is the upper limit of the envelope for the 701 so I am wondering if anyone has a Jab 3300 (current version) in a flying 701 and, if so, are you having any cooling problems? Stan N701VG (Reserved) -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 1632 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:36 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. Yes but bt be very careful with that one. There is "Aircraft Cable" and then there is cable that meets a Mil spec and is designed for use in an aircraft. BIG difference in quality. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- Dan wrote: > > > Orchards Supply has aircraft cable for sale by the > foot. They also have > a sign that says "not for aircraft use". > > Dan Wilde Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. From: "Mike Hoffman" Several years ago I tried to buy wheel bearings for my PA 28R200 from Detroit Ball Bearing Company and was refused. They told me they would not sell to the aviation community because of liability issues. I came back the next day and when they asked what they were for, I told them they were for a home made go cart and they sold them to me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139534#139534 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:35 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. Joe Problem is if you do run over someone the ensuing law suit will probably include you, the car manufacturer, the dealer that sold you the car, the salesman, the contractor that painted the crosswalk, the traffic light installer, ect,ect,ect. My company was a co-defendant with Chrysler Corp and a local Jeep dealer a few years ago when a Wrangler on which I had installed an air conditioner was hit from behind at a traffic light. The argument was that with the air conditioner on the vehicle it would not accelerate as fast as it did before. DUH! The court finally ruled the lawsuit was "without merit" mostly thanks to some heavyweight lawyers and expert witnesses provided by Chrysler. So see the system works. I got justice. Price for my defense $8,000.00. Initial profit on the air conditioner $187.00. Chrysler lost money. Dealer lost money. I lost money. Plaintiff lost money. Guess who made money:Chrysler's attorneys, Dealer's attorneys' My attorneys, Plaintiff's attorney. In addition that dealer will no longer sell a new Wrangler with aftermarket air. They now include the air in the price of the vehicle and issue you a refund check for the air conditioner which just happens to be the exact amount that I charge to install the air. This takes them out of the loop they hope. Chrysler no longer sells aftermarket air conditions for their vehicles. The Chrysler air conditioner is still available from aftermarket suppliers (re-packagers) but the price has doubled. Sorry seems my quick comment has turned into a rant about something that American's understand anyway. For our friends around the world who do not understand this lawsuit stupidity, I hope you never do! But if you would really would like to try we can look into exporting some attorneys for you. Carroll do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:44 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl plans I have a set ,Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Bauman To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 601xl plans Does anyone have a set of zodiac 601xl plans they would like to sell? Thx, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:08 AM PST US From: "Ken Arnold" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 welded kit parts The tanks are also pressure tested for leaks in the weld before releasing to the builders. They are as good as one can get. Ken CH701 91% ----- Original Message ----- From: RClaggf4u@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 welded kit parts Kevin, The parts come welded from Zenith. Just clean, paint and install. The Tanks are welded aluminum, they have a couple of welders that do a remarkable job. I watched them both at the open house and to say I was impressed is an understatemet. Truly outstanding work. Wayne 701 plans building. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- --> http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. From: "n85ae" Ben, When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have ever bought from them went into my plane. Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part numbers this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT." Because if you are, that might be the reason. :) Anyway, how does it come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a bank of phones ... Jeff [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still does.? Just my two cents worth... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "n85ae" wrote: This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL! Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception. The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation Use" note on some of their muffler's. I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be calling 911 as well ... Jeff Gig Giacona wrote: > Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use of one of their engines in a homebuilt. > > There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft. > > > > Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: > > > > ?Come out of your shell man. > > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design parameters?? > > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might come off and smite you. > > Jesus H. Farkin Christ. > > > > Joe Motis > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view================================================================================================bsp; - NEW MATRONICS WEB ======================================================== > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139557#139557 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:17 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with Jab 3300 That's easy, Price!!!!!!! It and the Jab are greatly over priced. Weight's good on both. I do agree with well documented. The 912 has more ADs than any other engine out there. That's documentation. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Tiethoff" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 701 with Jab 3300 > > > > What's wrong with the proven 912 in a 701 ? (Exept for low weight, good > fuel > economy, well documented, reliable). > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Stanley Challgren > Verzonden: vrijdag 12 oktober 2007 0:47 > Aan: Zenith List > Onderwerp: Zenith-List: 701 with Jab 3300 > > > > List: > > I am at the stage where I need to make a decision on the engine to > use in my 701. I had the Jab 3300 (A very early one) in my 601 and > did have cooling problems below 95 mph. That is the upper limit of > the envelope for the 701 so I am wondering if anyone has a Jab 3300 > (current version) in a flying 701 and, if so, are you having any > cooling problems? > > Stan > N701VG (Reserved) > > > -- > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. > 1632 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: > http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl > > > -- > 10/11/2007 3:09 PM > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:49 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. Just order what ever you want on-line. I've done it many times and yet have had the computer ask if it's going on airplane. Just remember this, "Don't ask a question you don't want answered." Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > Ben, > > When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the > part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have > ever bought from them went into my plane. > > Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part > numbers > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE > IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT." > > Because if you are, that might be the reason. :) Anyway, how does it > come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of > your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit > because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a > bank of phones ... > > Jeff > > > [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing > supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental > aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so > it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to > order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they > refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not > only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually > went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back > with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of > each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still > does.? Just my two cents worth... > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "n85ae" wrote: > > This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high > school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever > met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they > thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL! > > Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very > disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about > being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly > worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception. > > The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about > anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation > Use" note on some of their muffler's. > > I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and > verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide > to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be > calling > 911 as well ... > > Jeff > > > Gig Giacona wrote: > >> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as >> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use >> of one of their engines in a homebuilt. >> >> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto >> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft. >> >> >> >> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Come out of your shell man. >> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think >> that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of >> your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design >> parameters?? >> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might >> come off and smite you. >> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ. >> > >> > Joe Motis >> > Do not archive >> > >> >> >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view================================================================================================bsp; > - NEW MATRONICS WEB > ======================================================== > >> [b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139557#139557 > > > -- > 10/11/2007 3:09 PM > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:00 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. From: "Gig Giacona" See there's the problem. You are under the mistaken belief that discrimination is against the law in the USA. It isn't. Only certain types of discrimination are illegal and those are based on age, sex, race, religion, disability and national origin. While many of our wives and friends might think our aircraft building activities rise to the level of religion and certainly rise to the level of disability the law, sadly does not. Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: > I feel that if anyone were not to sell you anything because "they" do not want to for whatever reason and then sell it to the next person who walks through the door is discrimination by the dictionary definition. Where would the line be? No sale of anything that could be used on your aircraft would start at about "alternator and go to at least z clips. > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139565#139565 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:42 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. In a message dated 10/12/2007 10:20:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes: Only certain types of discrimination are illegal and those are based on age, sex, race, religion, disability and national origin. This should be "USA laws REQUIRE discrimination based on age, sex, race, religion, disability and national origin" Jerry of GA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:32 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Zenith-List: Motor mount I'm building my motor mount for the corvair engine. I have Zenith drawing #6-YE-1 which seems a little confusing as to which way the engine should be offset. Their note says "offset to the left for lycoming engine" and the drawing shows the thrust line offset to the RIGHT. I'm planning on building a square motor mount,,,,except I will put a 1" spacer between the left hand 2 support arms when located in the fixture. Then when mounted on the airplane WITHOUT the spacers the motor mount will swing ,,,or offset to the Left. Can anyone confirm this is the corect way to offset the motor mount and also does the corvair rotate counter clockwise when setting in the pilots seat,,,,opposite of the Lycomings. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:46 AM PST US From: Terry Fogelson Subject: Zenith-List: ch750 Looks as if there is at least one ch750. Dubbert Roger Model: STOL CH 750 Dubbert Roger STOL CH 750 Year built: 2007 Serial Number (C/N): 7-6640 Mode S Code: 52416140 Aircraft Type: Fixed wing single engine Amateur-Built: Yes Number of Seats: 2 Number of Engines: 1 Engine Type: Reciprocating Engine Manufacturer and Model: Cont Motor O-200A Owner (FAA) Registration Type: Individual Address: Mexico, MO 65265 United States Region: Central Top Status (FAA) Certification Class: Experimental Certification Issued: 2007-03-06 Air Worthiness Test: 2007-08-24 Last Action Taken: 2007-03-06 Current Status: Valid Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:25 AM PST US From: Bob Duns Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Motor mount Blue Skies Bob U When I built a motor mount for 601HD (Corvair), WW advised that the tray is angled down 1 degree at the nose. The tail of the motor is offset 1/2 degree to the right. I presume these angles were based on his 601XL which is similar tot he 061HD firewall. I have not flown yet so can't confirm whether these numbers work for me but WW has many hours on his 601XL with similar motor mount. I also have other numbers for location of motor mount tray from in front of the firewall if you need them. Bob D 601HD Corvair Melfort, SK ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Unternaehrer To: Zenith List Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Motor mount I'm building my motor mount for the corvair engine. I have Zenith drawing #6-YE-1 which seems a little confusing as to which way the engine should be offset. Their note says "offset to the left for lycoming engine" and the drawing shows the thrust line offset to the RIGHT. I'm planning on building a square motor mount,,,,except I will put a 1" spacer between the left hand 2 support arms when located in the fixture. Then when mounted on the airplane WITHOUT the spacers the motor mount will swing ,,,or offset to the Left. Can anyone confirm this is the corect way to offset the motor mount and also does the corvair rotate counter clockwise when setting in the pilots seat,,,,opposite of the Lycomings. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:20 PM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Motor mount Bob & Blue Skies, I believe there will be a difference in offsetting to right or left depending on direction of prop rotation. Your info makes sense to me because the Corvair will normally rotate the prop counterclockwise (as viewed from the cockpit). My experience years ago with Cessnas, Pipers, and even T-Craft was needing some right rudder under full takeoff power. They were clockwise rotation on the props. It may be worth noting that the Corvair can be set up to run clockwise if preferred or needed. I'm still a ways off from the motor mount stage since am just starting fuselage now, but interested for future reference as am sure others are. I'll probably get my mount from WW unless my welding skills are much more practiced and improved by then. Thanks. Al 601XL Corvair Gore, VA On Oct 12, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Bob Duns wrote: > Blue Skies > Bob U > > When I built a motor mount for 601HD (Corvair), WW advised that the > tray is angled down 1 degree at the nose. The tail of the motor is > offset 1/2 degree to the right. I presume these angles were based on > his 601XL which is similar tot he 061HD firewall. I have not flown > yet so can't confirm whether these numbers work for me but WW has > many hours on his 601XL with similar motor mount. I also have other > numbers for location of motor mount tray from in front of the firewall > if you need them. > > Bob D > 601HD Corvair > Melfort, SK > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bob Unternaehrer >> To: Zenith List >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:44 AM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Motor mount >> >> I'm building my motor mount for the corvair engine. I have Zenith >> drawing #6-YE-1 which seems a little confusing as to which way the >> engine should be offset. Their note says "offset to the left for >> lycoming engine" and the drawing shows the thrust line offset to the >> RIGHT. I'm planning on building a square motor mount,,,,except I >> will put a 1" spacer between the left hand 2 support arms when >> located in the fixture. Then when mounted on the airplane WITHOUT >> the spacers the motor mount will swing ,,,or offset to the Left. >> Can anyone confirm this is the corect way to offset the motor mount >> and also does the corvair rotate counter clockwise when setting in >> the pilots seat,,,,opposite of the Lycomings. >> >> Blue Skies >> Bob Unternaehrer >> shilocom@mcmsys.com >> ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ch750 From: "LouB" Roger Dubbert is Zenith's Customer Service Representative and demonstration pilot. The CH750 in the FAA database is probably Zenith's first CH750. I hope progress is going well and with the price of Rotax, the continental 100A or 100D is welcome. Looking forward to reports from Zenith and independent reviewers. Hope that the CH750 will be matched hole construction. Cheers, Lou Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139629#139629 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted From: "mosquito56" I am looking for a cfi to train me in a 601xl and help me get my spl license. I am willing to travel anywhere but remember it will start getting cold soon. mosquito-56@hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139648#139648 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:02 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. I didn't volunteer any info up front. All I can figure is that they have my account flagged as possibly headed to an experimental plane and when they ask I don't lie. Life is too short to try to remember different st ories for different people.................. 5ae" Ben, When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have ever bought from them went into my plane. Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part numbers this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT." Because if you are, that might be the reason. :) Anyway, how does it come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a bank of phones ... Jeff [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing s upply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental aircraf t". I have got that response from several of their order takers so it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to ord er about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they r efused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they no t only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actuall y went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and stil l does.? Just my two cents worth... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "n85ae" wrote: This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ev er met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL! Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception. The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviatio n Use" note on some of their muffler's. I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might deci de to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be call ing 911 as well ... Jeff Gig Giacona wrote: > Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the u se of one of their engines in a homebuilt. > > There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their aut o parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft .. > > > > Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: > > > > ?Come out of your shell man. > > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you th ink that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situatio n of your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published d esign parameters?? > > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might come off and smite you. > > Jesus H. Farkin Christ. > > > > Joe Motis > > Do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/view============== ======================== ======================== ======================== ==========bsp; - NEW MATRONICS WEB ==== ======================== ======================== ==== > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139557#139557 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:17 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. I Never use my credit card number online.................... wrote: Just order what ever you want on-line. I've done it many times and yet have had the computer ask if it's going on airplane. Just remember this, "Do n't ask a question you don't want answered." Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > Ben, > > When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part number s > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me t he > part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have > ever bought from them went into my plane. > > Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order par t > numbers > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE > IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT." > > Because if you are, that might be the reason. :) Anyway, how does it > come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of > your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit > because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a > bank of phones ... > > Jeff > > > [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing > supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental > aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so > it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to > order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and t hey > refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not > only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actuall y > went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back > with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents o f > each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and sti ll > does.? Just my two cents worth... > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "n85ae" wrote: > > This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high > school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever > met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they > thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL! > > Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very > disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about > being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly > worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception .. > > The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about > anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviat ion > Use" note on some of their muffler's. > > I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and > verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might de cide > to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be > calling > 911 as well ... > > Jeff > > > Gig Giacona wrote: > >> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as >> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the u se >> of one of their engines in a homebuilt. >> >> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their au to >> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraf t. >> >> >> >> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Come out of your shell man. >> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you t hink >> that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of >> your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published des ign >> parameters?? >> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might >> come off and smite you. >> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ. >> > >> > Joe Motis >> > Do not archive >> > >> >> >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view============= ======================== ======================== ======================== ===========bsp; > - NEW MATRONICS WEB > ======================== ======================== ======== > >> [b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139557#139557 > > > -- > 10/11/2007 3:09 PM > > ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted From: xavierzr@HOTMAIL.COM We can help you. www.clubaerodeportivo.com pe my personal mail xvrzng@yahoo -----Original Message----- From: "mosquito56" To:zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted I am looking for a cfi to train me in a 601xl and help me get my spl license. I am willing to travel anywhere but remember it will start getting cold soon. mosquito-56@hotmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139648#139648 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:43 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH 701 flying From: "SockPuppet61" Hi all, I've been looking into the 701 for a long time and am curious about pilot reports for it. Seen only one pretty long report on the Web. I'm particularly interested to know what its best glide speed is supposed to be, the glide ratio (other than "it's like a piano"), and if somebody has practices engine idle landings with it. How does it handle in stalls with various configurations? Also I've seen a couple of pictures on the web of 701s with a VW in it. If you've got one I'd like to know what kind of performance you get out of it. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139651#139651 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:55 PM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted Check the EAA web site, they have instructors listed by state and if they are willing to instruct in an experimental aircraft. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Continental Powered Wings, Tail & Engine Complete Working on Fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: "mosquito56" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted > > I am looking for a cfi to train me in a 601xl and help me get my spl > license. > I am willing to travel anywhere but remember it will start getting cold > soon. > > mosquito-56@hotmail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139648#139648 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH 701 flying From: "river1" Google , Niol lockinton 701 , also look back into the list , Mark Townsend wrote about it . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139657#139657 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:26 PM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted mosquito-56, where are you located? There are places in Fla. for sure. Jerry of Ga ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:21 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Motor mount Talked with ZAC and think I have it straight. The prop is on centerline as shown on the drawings and the rear of the engine mount is shifted as shown on the drawings. The note was confusing me but I think I understand now. I may need some dimensions from some of you who have built their own motor mount or from the WW mount. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Unternaehrer To: Zenith List Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Motor mount I'm building my motor mount for the corvair engine. I have Zenith drawing #6-YE-1 which seems a little confusing as to which way the engine should be offset. Their note says "offset to the left for lycoming engine" and the drawing shows the thrust line offset to the RIGHT. I'm planning on building a square motor mount,,,,except I will put a 1" spacer between the left hand 2 support arms when located in the fixture. Then when mounted on the airplane WITHOUT the spacers the motor mount will swing ,,,or offset to the Left. Can anyone confirm this is the corect way to offset the motor mount and also does the corvair rotate counter clockwise when setting in the pilots seat,,,,opposite of the Lycomings. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer shilocom@mcmsys.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Splicing Tiny Wires...? From: "PatrickW" How are you guys splicing thin wires together...? For example, where the 5 wires that come out of the aileron servo are spliced to another bundle of 5 wires. I'm guessing that twisting them together, soldering, and then covering with heat-shrink tubing is the way to go. Anybody doing anything different/better/easier...? Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139669#139669 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:13 PM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. And when you use your credit card in the store, where do you think it goes, on line. In fact, more credit card numbers are stolen from use at point of sale and corporate servers than from web site purchases. What you should never use is a debit card, better yet, don't have one. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami, Florida do not archive "n801bh@netzero.com" wrote: I Never use my credit card number online.................... wrote: Just order what ever you want on-line. I've done it many times and yet have had the computer ask if it's going on airplane. Just remember this, "Don't ask a question you don't want answered." Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "n85ae" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. > > Ben, > > When I call Summit Racing, I say - "Yes, I'd like to order part numbers > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ..." They ship me the > part. I have NEVER had them refuse anything, and everything I have > ever bought from them went into my plane. > > Is it. possibly that you do it like this? ""Yes, I'd like to order part > numbers > this, that and the other. My credit card number is ... OH, AND BY THE > IT IS TO BE USED IN AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT." > > Because if you are, that might be the reason. :) Anyway, how does it > come up, what it's for anyway??? You would almost have to go out of > your way to get the order taking folks to ask. Especially from Summit > because they have a set of cubicals with order takers, who answer a > bank of phones ... > > Jeff > > > [quote="n801bh(at)netzero.com"]I can say for fact that Summit Racing > supply will not sell me anything if I even mention " experimental > aircraft". I have got that response from several of their order takers so > it is a protocol they must stress on their employees. I called one day to > order about 1000.00 bucks worth of MSD ignition stuff for my toy and they > refused to sell it to me. I then called Jegs high performance and they not > only were hip on the idea of an auto engine in a plane the guy actually > went to my website while I was on the phone with him and he came back > with a "GEEZ" that is KOOL..... Both vendors were within a few cents of > each other on price and from then on Jegs got all my business, and still > does.? Just my two cents worth... > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "n85ae" wrote: > > This sounds like myth to me, I worked in auto parts all through high > school, and briefly after the military. I can say for sure, anybody I ever > met in the auto parts business would have said just one thing if they > thought something was going on a plane, and that would be - COOL! > > Not only that, but auto parts people are for the most part very very > disconnected from aviation, I can't imagine anybody worrying about > being sued. It is possible you could find a couple who were possibly > worried ?about being sued, but they would indeed be the rare exception. > > The only company I have ever come across that had any concern about > anything remotely close to this is Supertrapp who put a "Not for Aviation > Use" note on some of their muffler's. > > I suppose you could conceivably, walk into the local auto parts and > verbalize your aviation intents, in just such a way that they might decide > to not sell the parts to you ... But after you leave they might be > calling > 911 as well ... > > Jeff > > > Gig Giacona wrote: > >> Welcome Joe, to the land of the groundless law suit, otherwise known as >> the USA. BUT, I never said they would would be found liable for the use >> of one of their engines in a homebuilt. >> >> There are vendors of parts out there that will not ship you their auto >> parts if they have reason to think you are putting them in an aircraft. >> >> >> >> Joemotis(at)aol.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Come out of your shell man. >> > On what farthest stretch of the imagination of liability do you think >> that GM or whomever could sue you for using a device in an situation of >> your own risk and peril?I.E. way the heck out of their published design >> parameters?? >> > You had better not ever look at another fan belt because it might >> come off and smite you. >> > Jesus H. Farkin Christ. >> > >> > Joe Motis >> > Do not archive >> > >> >> >> > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/view================================================================================================bsp; > - NEW MATRONICS WEB > ======================================================== > >> [b] > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139557#139557 > > > -- > 10/11/2007 3:================================================================================================================================================ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:14 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Splicing Tiny Wires...? I used small gauge crimp style insulated butt connectors from Radio Shack. They work fine if you have the right crimper for the job (also sold at Radio Shack). On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:10 PM, PatrickW wrote: > > How are you guys splicing thin wires together...? > > For example, where the 5 wires that come out of the aileron servo > are spliced to another bundle of 5 wires. > > I'm guessing that twisting them together, soldering, and then > covering with heat-shrink tubing is the way to go. > > Anybody doing anything different/better/easier...? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? From: "DaveG601XL" Same here. I have been using d-sub computer style connectors from Radio Shack. Get your magnifying glass out! Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139680#139680 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? From: "GLJSOJ1" HI PATRICK I ALSO USED CRIMPS TO SPLICE THOSE TINY WIRES. I USED THE RED WHICH I BELIEVE IS 22-18G WIRE, WHILE I THINK THESE WIRES ARE 24 G. I HAVE HAD SOME OF THESE RED TERMINALS ON THESE WIRES COME OFF, SO I AM RETHINKING THEM. ALSO RADIO SHACK SELLS A SMALLER YELLOW BUTT JOINT CONNECTOR FOR WIRES 26 TO 22 G. YOU CAN'T DISCONNECT THESE ONCE THEY ARE CRIMPED THOUGH. GLENN -------- 601XL BUILDER ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139682#139682 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:03 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? At 08:49 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote: >Same here. I have been using d-sub computer style connectors from >Radio Shack. Get your magnifying glass out! I wonder how well miniature connectors like the D-sub work for 16 AWG wires. They are usually used for 22 AWG and smaller wires. I have been using automotive spade connectors crimped onto the Tefzel aircraft wires. I like the ones that come with full plastic covers and tend to tie them together with lacing tape. Paul XL Fuselage ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:10 PM PST US From: craig@craigandjean.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flight instructor and examiner wanted Dragonfly Aviation in Santa Rosa, CA (in the wine country north of San Francisco) offers Sport Pilot instruction in a 601XL. Just down the road from Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale. http://www.dragonflyaviation.com/ There is also the League of Extraordinary Aviators in Arizona allthough at one point their 601XL was down for a while. http://www.leaviators.com/ For something 601XL-like consider St Charles Flying Service and training in an Evector SportsStar. This is where I soloed. http://www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com/lightsport.php -- Craig ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flight instructor and examiner wanted From: "mosquito56" Thanx much for the info. I will start calling Monday. Heading for EAA meeting this weekend. Eaa site does not list by aircraft and I really need the zodiac as I am currently building one. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139693#139693 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: General Instrument and engine questions. first of a million From: "mosquito56" I am just getting to the interesting parts of the plane, Instrument Panel and fwf. I will shoot out a couple of the questions I wrote down from today. These are in no logical, if I were logical I would be building a bar, not an airplane, order. 1. Ags ingtiions system. Do the locks work on the 601xl? What is a good Ignition switch? Does the ignition switch come with the jab3300 fwf? 2. How can I make it so the hobbs meter only runs when the engine is running? If you've ever left your ignition on you'll understand this one. 3. Dynon ems120, do you need a seperate fuel sender or is the resistance all that is needed. What do you think of Dynon in general? 4. Any thoughts on Grand Rapids efis? Thanx much Don N601NV reserved Starting fuse Laredo, Tx Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139694#139694 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? From: "mosquito56" I am curious about using Radio Shack in an airplane. While I am not suggesting the quality is bad, I have to question the quality of Radio Shack in general? I highly recommend this page, I go alot of nice info and sites for electrical work. http://mybearhawk.com/finish/electrical1.html, page 5 had the connectors your talking about. 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