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1. 04:29 AM - canopy flashing czaw (flyingmike9)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! ()
3. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? ()
4. 06:12 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Matt & Jo)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Matt & Jo)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! (Art Olechowski)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: General instrument and engine questions (John M. Goodings)
8. 11:14 AM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (PatrickW)
9. 11:19 AM - [ Ron Ellis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 11:43 AM - Re: locking latch (Malcolm Hunt)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Southern Reflections)
12. 01:23 PM - Re: Auto Conversion Discussion (Tim Verthein)
13. 02:08 PM - 601 HD power VS speed (Woody sulloway)
14. 02:08 PM - parts (Bill Flick)
15. 04:44 PM - 0-235 Prop (CHETKRU@aol.com)
16. 05:51 PM - Re: 0-235 Prop (passpat@aol.com)
17. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (Paul Mulwitz)
18. 06:18 PM - Re: Jab dual throttle (Jeff)
19. 06:44 PM - Re: access panels (leinad)
20. 06:54 PM - Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! (Juan Vega)
21. 06:54 PM - rivet pics in zephyrhills (Juan Vega)
22. 06:54 PM - rivet pics in zephyrhills (Juan Vega)
23. 06:56 PM - more rivet pics first cross country (Juan Vega)
24. 06:56 PM - more rivet pics first cross country (Juan Vega)
25. 06:58 PM - Re: more rivet pics first cross country (Juan Vega)
26. 07:13 PM - Seat Cushion Thickness (leinad)
27. 07:26 PM - Re: more rivet pics first cross country (leinad)
28. 08:03 PM - Re: Seat Cushion Thickness (Bryan Martin)
29. 09:08 PM - Re: Seat Cushion Thickness (mosquito56)
30. 09:13 PM - Re: Jab dual throttle (mosquito56)
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| Subject: | canopy flashing czaw |
does anybody have there CZAW canopy done i dont understand the flashing drawings
they are different from the USA models if you have pictures would be great
(outside working on )but any help would be most welcome
thank you
mike lloyd
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! |
First..... congratulations!! If you are writing eamils, the flight went reasonably
well.
Second..... "she took off on me at 40 knots....." Well, duh! Mom, it followed
me home. Can I keep it?
Have fun and stay safe,
Dred
---- Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> after putting on the cowling and setting up yhe dynon system on Rivet the wonder
plane ,so named by ,my wife , I started her up for the first time and planned
to do taxi tests. so much for the taxi tests, she took off on me at 40 knots!.
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| Subject: | Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? |
A connection on a wire which vibrates will be more durable if it is crimped rather
than soldered. This assumes the double crimp technique as demonstrated in
the Homebuilt Help video etc. You can use Dow Corning #4 electrolytic goo to air-tight
the crimp without increasing the rsistance, then cover with at least
one layer of heat shrink, then immobilize the wire as best you can. If it screws
up after all that.....chalk it up to the will of God and buy a bicycle.
Dred
---- Tim Juhl <juhl@avci.net> wrote:
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> I'm an old time radio guy and my preference is for soldering when there is no
need to take the connection apart again. I also use heat shrink and follow by
either wrapping the whole bundle with tape or a bigger piece of heat shrink.
>
> When I was our school's tech guy I used crimpers for everything.... that said,
those connections were not be exposed to weather or vibrated by a bouncing airframe.
>
> Tim
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> Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting
> on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems
> to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the
> panel.
>
> So it seems like the options are:
>
> A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I
> have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be
> fitted, so thats a lot of work.
>
> B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the
> top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only
> concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access
> panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ?
>
> Your thoughts/Ideas ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Davis
> Burnsville, NC
> 601XL QB - Jab 3300
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
I put hatches in the forward top skin. This has really been valuable to get
at stuff and seems to work well. I was a little concerned about the canopy
interference but now that the canopy is on I haven't had a problem. Check
it out.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Fwd%20Top%20Skin.htm
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting on
> the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems to
> be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the
> panel.
>
> So it seems like the options are:
>
> A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I
> have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be
> fitted, so thats a lot of work.
>
> B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the
> top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only concern
> with this approach would be water leaking under the access panel. Any
> ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ?
>
> Your thoughts/Ideas ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Davis
> Burnsville, NC
> 601XL QB - Jab 3300
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! |
Congrats Juan! The excitment is mutually shared. I bet
the 2 hours blew by.
Art
> <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
> after putting on the cowling and setting up yhe
> dynon system on Rivet the wonder plane ,so named by
> ,my wife , I started her up for the first time and
> planned to do taxi tests. so much for the taxi
> tests, she took off on me at 40 knots!. 427JV took
> off and went up to 1500 feet, wrong place to burn in
> the breaks!
> Flys hands off. Temps were CHT-340, EGT was average
> 1300 to 1300. after about 2 hours they were down to
> 345 and 1290. did high speed taxi upon landing, and
> breaks work fine. took cwl off and only issue was
> oil comingloose oil filter, screws fell off tail
> light, and prop needs to be pitched less.
>
> Juan Vega, 601xl, J 3300.
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>
> Web Forums!
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| Subject: | Re: General instrument and engine questions |
We have a solution to the "Hobbs on only when engine is running" problem.
We installed a Cessna split red master switch (comforting for a long-time
Cessna driver!) with just the Hobbs wired to the left side and everything
else to the right side. In normal flight operation (as in a Cessna), you
turn both halves of the split switch on and off together. But if, for
example, you want to work on panel electrics with the engine off, you just
turn on the right side of the master switch, and the Hobbs is off.
One more thing we did, which turned out to be useful. (I wish I could
claim thoughtful foresight, but . . . .) We installed a 4-position
ignition switch (off/L/R/both) and a separate push-button start switch,
instead of a 5-position (including start) ignition switch; the 4-position
switch was MUCH cheaper. This means we can run the starter motor to turn
the prop without starting the engine by using the start switch with the
ignition switch off. We sometimes want to do this for test purposes, or
to turn the prop a few revolutions on a cold day (to get the Rotax
"gurgle") to check the oil level before the actual start.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Ottawa Carp/Toronto.
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| Subject: | Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? |
PatrickW wrote:
> How are you guys splicing thin wires together...?
>
> For example, where the 5 wires that come out of the aileron servo are spliced
to another bundle of 5 wires.
Just a follow-up to what I intended versus what I actually did. Lot of differing
ideas out there, but this is what worked for me.
Intent:
1. Pre-position all the heat shrink tubes before connecting wires.
2. Solder wires.
3. Heat shrink over each wire individually.
4. Heat shrink a big tube over the whole bundle of wires.
Reality:
1. Pre-position all the heat shrink tubes before connecting wires.
2. Solder wires.
3. Heat shrink over each wire individually.
4. Cut off the largest size of heat shrink tube, because it wasn't large enough
to fit over the mass of individual wires PLUS each heat shrink tube. It all
adds up.
5. Black tape over the whole mass of wires.
6. Test trim tab with 9 volt battery.
This method appears to be secure and solid, and I don't think that these connections
are likely to be a failure point. These wires will never have to be disconnected
unless I have to replace the aileron servo itself.
I also left a loop of the 5 wire bundle inside the aileron for "slack", tied such
that it will not pull or put any stress on the wires.
I'll use a molex type connector on the other end of the wire bundle (at the wing
root).
During inspections I'll certainly be able to see if the black tape starts to dry
out or unravel, which is the only thing I can think of that could be a problem.
Learning a bit more every day. Upward and onward...
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | [ Ron Ellis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: locking latch |
I punched out the scroll pin to release the handle from the mounting bezel
then wrapped the part to be drilled in masking tape and clamped it in the
vice of the drilling machine - being soft alloy it drilled easily. It
worked for me but use your own judgement! Shame CZAW don't respond.
CH601XL Builder in England
----- Original Message -----
From: "flyingmike9" <mlloyd9@csi.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: locking latch
>
> hello list
> hope you can help
> i am building a UK spec XL with locking catch looking at the drawings it
> tells me to drill new stopping hole in the handle how can this be done the
> mounting plate on the handle is in the way???
>
> and i dont understand how the end stop fits either part no. 6-co-1-6cz
> does anybody have any pictures that might help me
>
> czaw dont answer emails any more
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=139788#139788
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
Very Nice! Going to use your idea , if you don't mind. Lot's of room to
work .Perfect place for fire ext.too, Did you use short self tappen screws
when you mounted the fire ext bracket to the spar? Joe N101 HD
601XL/RAM
----- Original message -----
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
> I put hatches in the forward top skin. This has really been valuable to
> get at stuff and seems to work well. I was a little concerned about the
> canopy interference but now that the canopy is on I haven't had a problem.
> Check it out.
>
> http://www.zodiacxl.com/Fwd%20Top%20Skin.htm
>
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:14 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting
>> on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems
>> to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the
>> panel.
>>
>> So it seems like the options are:
>>
>> A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I
>> have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be
>> fitted, so thats a lot of work.
>>
>> B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the
>> top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only concern
>> with this approach would be water leaking under the access panel. Any
>> ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ?
>>
>> Your thoughts/Ideas ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> John Davis
>> Burnsville, NC
>> 601XL QB - Jab 3300
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Conversion Discussion |
Just a couple random thoughts while on this topic:
I have been an Amsoil user and dealer since 1979. They used to sell an
oil specifically for aircraft use. They dropped it over 20 years ago
because they didn't want the liability risks. It will never be
available again. Although lots of experimental and ultralight types
continue to use their products.
Oh..and the USA is the land of discrimination completely! The laws
against discrimination do NOT count in private matters. e.g. You can
build an apartment building or housing development ONLY for those "over
age 50" or whatever age you choose. As long as it was privatly
funded/built. Hence the many new developments popping up around here
that I can't live in. Why do you think the bank has free accounts for
older folks? 'Cause they're poor and can't afford the fees? Hell no,
because that's where the MONEY IS. Then those same folks go get their
10% discount at the grocery store 'cause they're on a fixed income! HA.
One year to go and I can start cashing in! The Mall of American
legally refuses entry to those under 18 on Friday nights and weekends
unless they have adults/parents with them. The bar down the street has
free drink nights for ladies. Figuring a bar full of drunk women brings
in money spending guys. The list is endless. I asked a lawyer. If I
built an apartment building, and only wanted to rent to good looking
redhead women age 21-34, I can. I can also operate my own store and
refuse to sell to whites, blacks, martians, old ladies, or whomever I
choose. I may have to HIRE them, but I sdon't have to SERVE them. How
stupid is all that?
Anyway..the wife has been yelling at me to buy some more airplane
parts, so I guess spending the dough on a housing development for left
handed bald women is out of the question.
Tim in Bovey
==
If both of us thought alike, one of us would not be necessary.
==
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| Subject: | 601 HD power VS speed |
If you have a 601HD, what is it powered with and what is your cruise
speed at 75% power?
Any other factors that you believe might affect that speed?
Thanks
Woody
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need a mount and cowl for subaru into my 601. any help appreciated. if
anyone would give specs or drawings for a mt i could build my own.
thanks ralph
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Hi All, for all you folks using a Lycoming 0-235, I am interested in
finding information on what type of prop you are using. I live in Las Vegas and
I
would like to be able to get good climb performance. I have a Lyc 0-235-N2C
installed on a 601 XL. Any numbers greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Chet K.
N929RS
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we used a sensenich 54X68 wood composit
-----Original Message-----
From: CHETKRU@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 7:29 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: 0-235 Prop
Hi All,???for all you folks using a Lycoming 0-235, I am interested in finding
information on what type of prop you are using.? I live in Las Vegas and I would
like to be able to get good climb performance. I have a Lyc 0-235-N2C installed
on a 601 XL.? Any numbers greatly appreciated.
?
Thanks,
?
Chet K.
N929RS
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| Subject: | Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? |
At 11:05 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
>. Cut off the largest size of heat shrink tube, because it wasn't
>large enough to fit over the mass of individual wires PLUS each heat
>shrink tube.
This little problem can be avoided. Just cut each wire to a
different length. For example cut the second wire 1/4 inch longer
than the first and the third 1/4 inch longer than the
second. Etc. The result will be a bundle with a splice every 1/4 inch.
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
recovering electrical engineer
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| Subject: | Jab dual throttle |
Ron,
I installed my Jabiru 3300 about a year ago. I bought it and the
FWF about two years ago. So I have parts of that vintage. The FWF came
first by several months. I have the dual throttle option. For the center
throttle cable I drilled a hole in the "shelf" with no problems. I used the
thicker XL shelf with the cabin side U channel and the XL gussets between
the shelf and the nose gear channel. The current design in this area has
been enhanced further. I don't have XL plans to follow the current
configuration, but where I had a concern was at the point where the throttle
cables come through the firewall. The FSF package had simple bulkhead
fittings there. When the throttle was moved, it tried to flex the firewall
as the outer arms on the throttle rod over the shelf moved up and down. See
Larry McFarland's web site for the fix using a vertical slot for the
throttle cable through the firewall. I modified the solution a bit, and
will supply pictures if you like, but the basic design is Larry's.
Jeff Davidson
I found a small issue with the Jab 601XL 3300 firewall forward, dual
throttle installation.
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| Subject: | Re: access panels |
Dave,
Good job and great picture. I do have a question though. Isn't that the wrong
color nav light? Left wing should be red I think.
Dan
DaveG601XL wrote:
> Carlos,
>
> The only supplies you will need are MS21075L3 nut plates, MS20426AD3-2 rivets
(2 per nut plate) and a screw AN525-10R7 per nut plate. Tools will be a drill
and snips to cut the holes needed. You do not need to dimple the rivet heads
if you do not want. I have countersunk mine. You can use a hammer and flat
punch to set the rivets if you do not have a rivet gun. Here is a picture of
the hole in my XL wing tip showing the strobe pack inside. It also makes a good
inspection hole.
>
> Good Luck,
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! |
it flew by! no punn intended. the pitch reduction worked to get the rpm to 3300
at cruise. cht still 350 and egt 1350 at 115 knots.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2007 9:39 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys!
>
>
>Congrats Juan! The excitment is mutually shared. I bet
>the 2 hours blew by.
>
>Art
>> <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>
>> after putting on the cowling and setting up yhe
>> dynon system on Rivet the wonder plane ,so named by
>> ,my wife , I started her up for the first time and
>> planned to do taxi tests. so much for the taxi
>> tests, she took off on me at 40 knots!. 427JV took
>> off and went up to 1500 feet, wrong place to burn in
>> the breaks!
>> Flys hands off. Temps were CHT-340, EGT was average
>> 1300 to 1300. after about 2 hours they were down to
>> 345 and 1290. did high speed taxi upon landing, and
>> breaks work fine. took cwl off and only issue was
>> oil comingloose oil filter, screws fell off tail
>> light, and prop needs to be pitched less.
>>
>> Juan Vega, 601xl, J 3300.
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>>
>> Web Forums!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | rivet pics in zephyrhills |
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| Subject: | more rivet pics first cross country |
Juan Vega
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| Subject: | more rivet pics first cross country |
Juan Vega
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| Subject: | Re: more rivet pics first cross country |
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>From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2007 9:46 PM
>To: Zodiac Forum <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: more rivet pics first cross country
>
>Juan Vega
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| Subject: | Seat Cushion Thickness |
How thick should the seat cushions be? I'd also like to hear whether folks are
making their own upholstery or having it made. All perspectives welcome.
Dan (plans building 601XL)
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| Subject: | Re: more rivet pics first cross country |
Jaun,
Congratulations on creating a beautiful flying machine! I can't tell you how jealous
I am. I have a long way to go before I can experience what you're feeling.
Dan Dempsey
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Cushion Thickness |
I used three inches of Confor Foam for the seat bottom, one inch of
each color. The plans and material for this are available from Hi-
Tech foams. ( http://www.seatfoam.com/ ) This makes a very
comfortable seat. I f you are very tall, you may need to use a
thinner seat cushion and/or mount the seat pan lower. I carved and
glued the seat foam myself but farmed out the upholstery job.
On Oct 14, 2007, at 9:59 PM, leinad wrote:
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> How thick should the seat cushions be? I'd also like to hear
> whether folks are making their own upholstery or having it made.
> All perspectives welcome.
> Dan (plans building 601XL)
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Cushion Thickness |
There is a very good site at
http://www.ch601.org/builder%20resources.htm
It has a good article on how to doit yourself seats.
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
I am planning on ordering the jab3300 with dual throttles tomorrow. Please let
me know if Jab answers your problem. Vendors seem more than willing to spend hours
talking to you to sell you something but when you buy the item and call for
support, they say I will get back to you and never do. This is one reason I
decided not to order the new Rans S-19. I had alot of trouble with Rans after
I bought my S-12.
Let me know if you get an answer.
Don
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