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1. 04:15 AM - Re: access panels (DaveG601XL)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (Float Flyr)
3. 06:40 AM - Connectors for small diameter wires (charles.long@allisontransmission.com)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: Jab dual throttle (Ron Ellis)
5. 07:26 AM - 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. (Geoff Heap)
6. 07:27 AM - Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? (ashontz)
7. 08:35 AM - Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: Jab dual throttle (lgingell)
9. 11:10 AM - Re: O-235 Prop (MaxNr@aol.com)
10. 12:48 PM - Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! (Ron Lendon)
11. 02:09 PM - Jabiru Engine Seminar (Edward Moody II)
12. 02:38 PM - Engine for sale (Gary Olson)
13. 06:54 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar (Al Young)
14. 07:20 PM - Dumb Aileron Trim Question (Brad Cohen)
15. 07:47 PM - (Brad Cohen)
16. 08:07 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Ron Ellis)
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| Subject: | Re: access panels |
Well Dan, you got me on that one. In my defense, I only grabbed the closest light
to me and used it as the guinea pig on both sides for fit-ups. The lights
have not been back in since and await patiently in the box.
One more thing, the hole in the outer panel, as it turns out, is a great grip point
for lifting the wing. It has proved to be strong enough to use as a hand
hold without distorting. I upped the tip skin piece to .025 (kit is .016).
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
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| Subject: | Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? |
I'd like to make a few points.
first, for the harness you describes I'd install a multi conductor junction connector
like a Moulinex or Cannon to make change outs easier.
Second, If you really don't think the connector is the way to go then stagger your
solder joints so no joint can come in direct contact with another joint.
Making the joints that way keeps down the diameter of the final complete splice
and protects form the possibility of a short circuit.
Save the electric tape for ground applications. Use only heat shrink on aircraft
wiring.
Noel
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| Subject: | Connectors for small diameter wires |
Electric Bob had a good suggestion for crimping the very fine wires
used on the Mac servo trim system. He suggested using the D Sub connector
series. He also sells the crimping tool for a very reasonable price. I
took his advice and am very pleased with the results. The crimping tool
was very easy to use, He suggested Faston connections for the bigger
wires, another great connection system, especially if you use the
automotive type fuse block and switches. For those unfamiliar with
connectors, the D Sub series is ultra high volume - computer grade. Pins
are gold contact - the best metal for connections if you can afford it.
Good news is the DB connectors are affordable due to the high volumes - a
win win situation. It is good to strain relieve the wires as well by
bundling together and tying them down so they don't vibrate. I concur that
solder joints are something to avoid because of pour fatigue resistance.
Electric Bob's business is called B&C specialty products. The crimper is
an RCT-3 and they also sell connector systems. Another source for
connectors is Mouser Electronics. They too have an online store. I have
had good success with both of these outfits over the years.
Chuck Long
Zodie Rocket
N601LE, 150 hr TT
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| Subject: | Jab dual throttle |
Jeff,
Thanks for the info, and I would like to see some
pics. I'll take a look at Larry's site also.
Mosquito56,
I've had to contact USJabiru 4 or 5 times, and so
far they've been very responsive. I'll let you know
what they say this time.
Ron
601XL-3300
Time: 06:18:32 PM PST US
From: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Jab dual throttle
Ron,
I installed my Jabiru 3300 about a year ago. I
bought it and the
FWF about two years ago. So I have parts of that
vintage. The FWF
came
first by several months. I have the dual throttle
option. For the
center
throttle cable I drilled a hole in the "shelf" with no
problems. I
used the
thicker XL shelf with the cabin side U channel and the
XL gussets
between
the shelf and the nose gear channel. The current
design in this area
has
been enhanced further. I don't have XL plans to
follow the current
configuration, but where I had a concern was at the
point where the
throttle
cables come through the firewall. The FSF package had
simple bulkhead
fittings there. When the throttle was moved, it tried
to flex the
firewall
as the outer arms on the throttle rod over the shelf
moved up and down.
See
Larry McFarland's web site for the fix using a
vertical slot for the
throttle cable through the firewall. I modified the
solution a bit,
and
will supply pictures if you like, but the basic design
is Larry's.
Jeff Davidson
I found a small issue with the Jab 601XL 3300
firewall forward,
dual
throttle installation.
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| Subject: | 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. |
Michael. I got your email but my replies keep coming back as undeliverable. According
to the internet mailman your system has me flagged as a spammer. If you
can fix this at your end I can send you various data. Attached is a Pic of my
dual controls at the moment without the cover on.
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| Subject: | Re: Splicing Tiny Wires...? |
I agree, solder is the way to go. Crimps suck. I've had crimps fall part 2 seconds
after I thought it was tight. Good way to do an inline connect is to get a
small piece of wood, staple both wires to the wood facing each other (careful
not to staple through the wire) then line them up and solder them together. Then
remove the holder wood of course. Also, tinning the wires beforehand helps
a lot. Don't forget to put the shrink tube on first so you can slide it down
over the connection.
Large wires (cable) a propane torch works well.
do not archive
dougsnash(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Guys, all this talk of crimp connectors is making me a
> little nervious. The best way to joun two wires
> together is to solder them. Next step is to rinse the
> flux off with water or rubbing alcohol. Then to
> finish them up, apply heat shrink (preferably the
> internally glued type). This is what the professional
> avionics shops are supposed to do.
>
> Yes, it might be overkill in some instances but it
> will always work. No guessing if the crimp is going
> to fail.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> --- Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:49 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
> > >Same here. I have been using d-sub computer style
> > connectors from
> > >Radio Shack. Get your magnifying glass out!
> >
> > I wonder how well miniature connectors like the
> > D-sub work for 16 AWG
> > wires. They are usually used for 22 AWG and smaller
> > wires.
> >
> > I have been using automotive spade connectors
> > crimped onto the Tefzel
> > aircraft wires. I like the ones that come with full
> > plastic covers
> > and tend to tie them together with lacing tape.
> >
> > Paul
> > XL Fuselage
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
> http://farechase.yahoo.com/
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! |
Juan, Great News!! Same thing happened to me on first high speed taxi test. Obviously
high speed taxi test should be about 10-20 mph. I know your proud and you
can expect those CHT temps to go down as the motor works out, Again, congratulations,
Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs?
-----Original Message-----
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 6:24 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys!
after putting on the cowling and setting up yhe dynon system on Rivet the wonder
plane ,so named by ,my wife , I started her up for the first time and planned to
do taxi tests. so much for the taxi tests, she took off on me at 40 knots!.
427JV took off and went up to 1500 feet, wrong place to burn in the breaks!
Flys hands off. Temps were CHT-340, EGT was average 1300 to 1300. after about
2 hours they were down to 345 and 1290. did high speed taxi upon landing, and
breaks work fine. took cwl off and only issue was oil comingloose oil filter,
screws fell off tail light, and prop needs to be pitched less.
Juan Vega, 601xl, J 3300.
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
I was unimpressed with the dual throttle that I received. I changed quite a few
of the parts, and it works great now.
See my log entry around 8/17/2005 at http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/constructionlog.asp to see what I did.
Cheers,
..lance
Zodiac XL/Jabiru3300
http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/
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Zodiac XL/Jab 3300
http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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A starting point and one way to a deal with it is to plagiarize and use what
the competion (type certified A/C) are using and develop from there. They test
an engine/prop combination that will in turn cut down some development time
on your part. Some examples:
Last weekend, I flew a Piper PA-38 Tomahawk with a O-235 L2C. It had a
Sensenich 72CK-O-56. Type Cert. Data Sheet for the PA38 (TCDS #A18SO) says that
it
can be cut down to no less than 70 in. PA 38 is a 1670 LB GW bird that climbs
at maxGW on a 20 dg C day at 500 fpm and cruises about 100KT at 2400 rpm. Plan
on about 6.5 gal per HR at 3000'. I have an engine/prop combo from a Grumman
American/Tiger LLC AA-1. It is a O-235C2C with a McCauly 71/54. TCDS #A11EA for
the AA1 also approves the 71/53 and 71/57 props. Never flew a Yankee, but its
a 1560 # GW and goes over 100KT. It has 3' less span and about 10Sq ft less
wing area than a 601XL. To see a AA1 with a cruise prop take off on a hot day
at GW is painful to watch. More Diameter for a given pitch gives more low speed
"dig", noise and climb.(seaplanes) Less diameter gives more speed. 71"
diameter is about the most I will use for the 601XL because of ground clearance.
Could cut down to 70". Also could re-pitch another inch or two later. Another
thing about both of these certified birds is that the airframe mfgr limits max
RPM at 2600 RPM. They had to meet a noise certification standard. I have the
latest O-235 Operators Manual and it says that "Rated Power" is at 2800 RPM all
day long. My plan is to list my limits as 2800 for 5 minutes and Max Continuos
Power (MCP) as 2600. Climb performance is important to me too. TBO is 2400
hrs. The only max operating time limits for the engine are for CHT and oil temp.
FAA TCDS for certified A/C have a lot of data re: engines for us builders. Go
to FAA home page, Clk on Aircraft, scroll down to Tech Info and select the
TCDS. I also downloaded an Excel spreadsheet from Sport Aviation for prop
selection. Its neat.
Bob, Pace,FL
XL/Lyc (tail feathers)
**************************************
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys! |
Juan,
In Toyota speak "OH What A Feeling!!!!" Sorry I missed the announcement, was
away for the weekend. Congratulations!
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Just got back home from a 1300 mile round trip drive to Shelbyville TN
where Jabiru USA put on an engine maintenance and repair seminar. Many
helpful little tidbits came out in addition to the expected technical
education on totally reassembling a 3300 engine from individual parts.
Pete Krotje and his staff have had to resolve a lot of engine screw ups
over the years and they shared many of those "Don't do this because this
(holding up a broken engine part) will be the result" stories with the
class.
This was the first of two seminars there for me. I will be heading back
there next month for a seminar on installing a 3300 on a Zodiac 601XL,
which is what I will be doing very soon. My point is that having spent
some time with Pete, Nick Otterback, and Mark Stauffer at the seminar
left me with a good feeling about being able to work with them into the
future. I'd recommend that anyone who is running a Jabiru engine and can
make it to Tennessee for one of these seminars should go for it. The
area is fun and interesting (not the least of which is the Jack Daniels
Distillery in nearby Lynchburg, TN), the folks are friendly and love
anything airplane related, and it is always easier to get through a
problem with someone you know rather than with someone you have only
written to or phoned.
Now, once I get a bit caught up on putting out fires in the camp back
here at home, it's back to working on wiring the Zodiac.
Dred
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Fellow listers,
I have a brand new, fully assembled, never run, 2276
Great Plains VW with a 1:6/1 reduction drive that I am
looking to sell.
I had intended it to power my Kitfox S7. My initial
intention was to install the VW because of its low
cost, weight, and ease of maintenance. This decision
was made when I was forced to let my medical lapse and
pursue sport pilot flying. My Fox is about 90%
complete and the is engine installed. Due to the fact
that I am now able to obtain a valid medical, I am now
going to install a larger (and heavier) engine to meet
the aircraft's 1550# gross weight capacity. I have
listed the particulars of the engine below. The total
cost of this engine if purchased from Great Plains is
over $6800 (plus $850 for assembly and crating). I
will listen to any reasonable offers.
If interested please e-mail me off list and I will
send you pictures of the engine and accessories.
Please feel free to contact me with any questions. 920
379-6668. Thanks.
Aluminum engine case
Valley engineering 1:6/1 Reduction drive
Heavy duty cast iron oil pump
Compufire DIS-IX distributorless ignition system with
the Bosch 009 dist.
Total Seal Gapless 2nd Ring Set
Unision Slick ignition harness
Lycoming bushings
Starter
Brand new Unison Slick Magneto 4316
Oil filter adapter EMPI 00-9244-0
Curtis drain valve gascolator
Diehl Acessory case. Starter in the 12 o'clock
position
Premium head upgrade
Oil temp, pressure sending units
Downdraft intake manifold
Bolt on aluminum valve covers
Negotiable items include:
Aerovee carburetor (s-flange) ACV-CO4 35 mm with
Aerovee Filter
All stainless hoses currently on engine
Gary Olson
Kitfox Series 7
2276 VW redrive
Oshkosh, WI.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar |
I must add my kados to Eds. The seminar was excellent. Took many of
the mysteries out of the jab engine. The seminar is a must for anyone
who is even thinking about the jab as the power for his project. If you
are thinking of any other engine, before you buy, check out the seminar.
$300 is a lot less of a mistake than $15000. I know now that I made
the right choice.
Al Young
601XL- jab 3300
N-601AY Do
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----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Just got back home from a 1300 mile round trip drive to Shelbyville TN
where Jabiru USA put on an engine maintenance and repair seminar. Many
helpful little tidbits came out in addition to the expected technical
education on totally reassembling a 3300 engine from individual parts.
Pete Krotje and his staff have had to resolve a lot of engine screw ups
over the years and they shared many of those "Don't do this because this
(holding up a broken engine part) will be the result" stories with the
class.
This was the first of two seminars there for me. I will be heading
back there next month for a seminar on installing a 3300 on a Zodiac
601XL, which is what I will be doing very soon. My point is that having
spent some time with Pete, Nick Otterback, and Mark Stauffer at the
seminar left me with a good feeling about being able to work with them
into the future. I'd recommend that anyone who is running a Jabiru
engine and can make it to Tennessee for one of these seminars should go
for it. The area is fun and interesting (not the least of which is the
Jack Daniels Distillery in nearby Lynchburg, TN), the folks are friendly
and love anything airplane related, and it is always easier to get
through a problem with someone you know rather than with someone you
have only written to or phoned.
Now, once I get a bit caught up on putting out fires in the camp back
here at home, it's back to working on wiring the Zodiac.
Dred
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| Subject: | Dumb Aileron Trim Question |
I am installing the roll trim in the port aileron and as I prepare to drill
through the bottom skin into the cut out channel (6-ATO-1-2) I noticed that
my rivet holes through the skin do not line up with my line drawn at 10mm
edge distance on the channel. This happened even though the edge of the bend
radius on the channel does line up with the edge of the skin. My assumption
is that this is due to the twist built into the aileron. Any thoughts from
those of you smarter than me??
Brad Cohen
601XL-TD
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I am installing the aileron trim tab and as I am getting ready to install
the aileron cutout channel I noticed that the holes I drilled in the bottom
of the aileron skin do not align with the 10mm edge distance line that I
have drawn on the bottom of the cutout channel. This dispite the fact the
the bend radius of the channel does line up with the cut edge of the aileron
skin. I assume that this is because of the twist built into the
aileron....any thoughts from all you out there much smarter than I?
Brad Cohen
XL-TD
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
Nice job Matt. I did something similar, but didn't
hinge them, and they are a little smaller, but very
helpful getting behind the panel. I put a pic in the
photo share.
Ron
601XL-3300
Time: 06:13:36 AM PST US
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
I put hatches in the forward top skin. This has
really been valuable
to get
at stuff and seems to work well. I was a little
concerned about the
canopy
interference but now that the canopy is on I haven't
had a problem.
Check
it out.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Fwd%20Top%20Skin.htm
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am
getting close to
putting on
> the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per
the
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