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1. 06:35 AM - Re: Jab dual throttle (Gig Giacona)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: Jab dual throttle (lgingell)
3. 08:45 AM - 601XL Jab3300 cooling (n787xl@aol.com)
4. 09:03 AM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Tim Juhl)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Craig Payne)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Tim Juhl)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Juan Vega)
8. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Jab dual throttle (Juan Vega)
9. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: Jab dual throttle (Matt & Jo)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Matt & Jo)
11. 10:07 AM - Re: Re: Jab dual throttle ()
12. 11:01 AM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (mosquito56)
13. 11:19 AM - Control Locks? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
14. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Paul Mulwitz)
15. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Jim)
16. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (n282rs@satx.rr.com)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Control Locks? (Craig Payne)
18. 02:44 PM - Re: Control Locks? (GLJSOJ1)
19. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (Juan Vega)
20. 03:13 PM - Re: Control Locks? (Bryan Martin)
21. 03:24 PM - Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (mosquito56)
22. 06:40 PM - antenna stiffeners (leinad)
23. 06:56 PM - Re: antenna stiffeners (Jaybannist@cs.com)
24. 07:10 PM - Re: antenna stiffeners (Craig Payne)
25. 07:13 PM - Re: Instrument Panel Access (Ron Lendon)
26. 07:44 PM - Re: antenna stiffeners (Matt & Jo)
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
I got a 403 message on the site.
mosquito56 wrote:
> When you buy you kit or order your plane, http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/ is the first site you should study. He has everything explained and pictures are excellent. His site is just as good as Zenith construction photo gallery.
>
> WELL DONE LANCE!!!!!!!!!
>
> Don
> Zodiac 601 xl firewall and instruments
> N601NV reserved
> South Texas
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
Thanks Don,
Here's a corrected URL: http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
Cheers,
..lance
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| Subject: | 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
List
On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the? 601xl's /Jab3300 equiped
planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side!
Comments??
JES
601XL/JAB3300
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
Are you sure you weren't looking at the carb air scoop? If they have the new Jab
cowling then the big scoop under the prop (where the carb air intake is on
most planes) is for the oil cooler.
If it is for cooling, then please post a picture if you have one.
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
> On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the 601xl's
/Jab3300 equiped planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side!
Two of the three were N601FW (Alan & Nathalie Smith) and N601WF (Stephen
Smith). The reasoning is that the vents on the cowl (from Jabiru Pacific)
slope back. On the side where the prop blade swings up the air bypasses the
vent. So the eyebrow vent keeps the air from bypassing the vent. I don't
remember what improvement was seen.
You can read about building the twin planes in 4 months here:
http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_072.htm
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
I see what you mean...... seems like there are some serious design issues with
that cowling. The pix of the latest from JabiruUSA is attached. I hope it
works a little better.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
Craig and fellow dudes,
The eyebrow you see on those planes is typ;ically for only the break in period.
The Tennessee Cowling which i have seen installed on one 601 has its own set
of issues. the key is push as much air through the top of the cylinder cooling
fins. the # 5 cylindar of the Jab 3300 has cooling issues on either one, the
key is to tackle the cooling issues"within reason" what I mean is that so long
as my CHT on the rear heads don't go above 345 and egt over 1340 at cruise
, i can live with it. the key is to get over 70 hourds then reassess. One thing
I did see is the tennesee fitting on the Kit was a little better however
you have to do a lot more glassing work, and the air ducts are a work in proces.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2007 12:02 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
>
> > On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the 601xl's
>/Jab3300 equiped planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side!
>
>Two of the three were N601FW (Alan & Nathalie Smith) and N601WF (Stephen
>Smith). The reasoning is that the vents on the cowl (from Jabiru Pacific)
>slope back. On the side where the prop blade swings up the air bypasses the
>vent. So the eyebrow vent keeps the air from bypassing the vent. I don't
>remember what improvement was seen.
>
>You can read about building the twin planes in 4 months here:
>
>http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_072.htm
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
Lance, good to hear from you. how is the plane flying? what are your chts and
EGTs like at cruise?
Juan
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>From: lgingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2007 11:28 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab dual throttle
>
>
>Thanks Don,
>
>Here's a corrected URL: http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
>
>Cheers,
>..lance
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>http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
I have had great service from Jabiru. I have called them on numerous
occasions and they have been very helpful. I will say the firewall forward
kit is OK but not the same level of quality that the Zodiac kit was. Hasn't
been a problem since they have always been there to answer questions.
Good Luck
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab dual throttle
>
> I am planning on ordering the jab3300 with dual throttles tomorrow. Please
> let me know if Jab answers your problem. Vendors seem more than willing to
> spend hours talking to you to sell you something but when you buy the item
> and call for support, they say I will get back to you and never do. This
> is one reason I decided not to order the new Rans S-19. I had alot of
> trouble with Rans after I bought my S-12.
> Let me know if you get an answer.
> Don
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140015#140015
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
I ended up riveting the extinguisher bracket to the spar. I had to drill
some new holes in it but it worked fine.
Good Luck
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Very Nice! Going to use your idea , if you don't mind. Lot's of room to
> work .Perfect place for fire ext.too, Did you use short self tappen
> screws when you mounted the fire ext bracket to the spar? Joe N101
> HD 601XL/RAM
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
Matt,
There has been a recent modification (hopefully an improvement) to the Jabiru USA
supplied cowl for the CH601XL. They have made room to accomodate a change in
the ram air cooling ducts, which in turn were changed to accomodate the new
style heads with more and larger cooling fins.
Another thing I was told is that the previous cheek scoops which fed the ram air
ducts were not optimally lined up with the airflow from the prop. The new cowl
has scoops better aligned and shaped to get more airflow into the cooling ducts.
Also the chin scoop to the oil cooler has been redone to provide better airflow
to the oil cooler for more effective oil temp control.
All these changes became available early this year.
Dred
---- Matt & Jo <archermj@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> I have had great service from Jabiru. I have called them on numerous
> occasions and they have been very helpful. I will say the firewall forward
> kit is OK but not the same level of quality that the Zodiac kit was. Hasn't
> been a problem since they have always been there to answer questions.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this
a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"?
I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and
over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here
in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods?
Don
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Don Merritt
KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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Looking for any good ideas, drawings or pix on making a control lock for
the dual stick version of the 601XL. (No, I don't want to use the seat
belts!)
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
Hi Don,
I'm not exactly sure what your question is.
As I understand it, the Jabiru 3300 works fine on the 601XL. It is
the highest power engine commonly used on this design. I don't have
personal experience yet, but the cooling should be fine on the
XL. There have been some posts about using this engine on the 701,
but I think most people agree this is too much engine for that airframe.
The performance difference you can expect from the Jabiru depends on
what engine you compare it to. It has lots more horsepower than any
of the other engines usually used on the XL. That could translate to
higher cruise speed, but it is more likely to show up in climb rate.
I will start installing my Jabiru in my XL pretty soon.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 11:00 AM 10/17/2007, you wrote:
>
>I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the
>Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to
>cruise faster issue"?
> I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a
> very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will
> I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to
> slow down a little during hot periods?
>Don
>
>--------
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
I'm in an area where the summer temps are over a hundred degrees also, the Jab
3300 cools just fine in my 601 XL during these hot times.
I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this
a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"?
I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and
over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here
in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods?
Don
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KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
Don
A Jabiru will work fine. Most peoples cooling issues occur during break in. Usually
while you figure out where to put the deflectors in the baffles. It would
be easier to do your break in during the cooler months.
I don't know if I would want to do my first few test flights at Laredo International.
I can see you getting extended downwind instructions while the CHT's go
over the top.
As far as 105 degree temps, you probably won't want to be inside a Zodiac then,
no matter what engine you have. The sweat will be pouring down your face so fast,
you won't be able to see where you are going.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
n282rs @ satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56@hotmail.com>
To:zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this
a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"?
I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and
over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here
in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods?
Don
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KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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> Looking for any good ideas, drawings or pix on making a control lock for
the dual stick version of the 601XL.
Not there yet but how about a flat, triangular plate which fastens to the
bottom lip of the control panel with wing nut quarter-turn fasteners and
extends horizontally to meet the stick at its "parked" position? A U-shaped
flange at the stick would allow a Velcro strap to clamp the stick to the
plate. A little padding would keep the flange from scratching the stick.
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| Subject: | Re: Control Locks? |
I WAS THINKING ABOUT A BAR THAT YOU ENGAGE THE CENTER SPAR AND ALSO ENGAGE THE
BRAKES FOR A PARKING BRAKE, JUST NOT AT THAT STAGE YET.
GLENN
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ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
here in florida its hitting 95 when i fly. the faster the plane flys the better,
you want to stuff as much air through the cowling, so i am flying at 2950
rpm at 120 to 130 mph.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim <aspen1150@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 17, 2007 3:00 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
>
>I'm in an area where the summer temps are over a hundred degrees also, the Jab
3300 cools just fine in my 601 XL during these hot times.
>
>
>I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this
a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"?
>I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and
over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here
in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods?
>Don
>
>--------
>Don Merritt
>KLRD
>Rans S-12 Flying not built
>Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Locks? |
It's fairly easy to make exterior control locks for the 601xl. You
just need a device to slide into the gap between the flap and aileron
on one side and trap the aileron from above and below. Another
similar device to slide between the elevator and the end fairing.
Add a couple "Remove Before Flight" flags and you're done.
On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:15 PM, Dr. Andrew Elliott wrote:
> Looking for any good ideas, drawings or pix on making a control
> lock for the dual stick version of the 601XL. (No, I don't want to
> use the seat belts!)
>
> Thanks,
> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
> N601GE (reserved)
> 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
I guess most of the issues have been cleared up by the newer versions of the engine.
I was reading about experimental experimental engines (Jabiru was not used
much, I had only seen one in my life) when I first bought my Rans S-12. As
I read the Rans Page, I would goto the Jab just to browse and I was always reading
about overheating problems.
Makes me feel a little better since I plan to order my Jab in the next few days.
Don
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Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | antenna stiffeners |
I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches forward
of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is very flimsy at
this point. What have others done? My gut says it's too flimsy and should
have a stiffener added.
Dan Dempsey
plans building 601XL
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | antenna stiffeners |
Dan,
I added a 5" x 8" x .040 doubler under the skin.
Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
"leinad" <leinad@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches forward
of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is very flimsy at
this point. What have others done? My gut says it's too flimsy and should
have a stiffener added.
>
>Dan Dempsey
>plans building 601XL
>
>--------
>Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | antenna stiffeners |
Did you include the two crimped L angles that arch between the two upper
front-to-rear L stiffeners? See pages 8-10 of this part of the photo
assembly guide:
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-21c.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panel Access |
What kind of effect will those holes have on the integrity of the center spar?
Has anyone given that consideration or better yet, structural analysis. Inquiring
minds want to know.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: antenna stiffeners |
I was not happy with my original location also. I ended up moving it and
putting in a stiffener. You can check it out here.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm
Good luck
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: antenna stiffeners
>
> I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches
> forward of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is
> very flimsy at this point. What have others done? My gut says it's
> too flimsy and should have a stiffener added.
>
> Dan Dempsey
> plans building 601XL
>
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> Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140550#140550
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>
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