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1. 01:27 AM - Re: antenna stiffeners (GLJSOJ1)
2. 01:38 AM - BMW Motor Mounts? (HermanMullis@aol.com)
3. 04:04 AM - Flight Simulator files for CH701 (railridr dejazzd.com)
4. 06:35 AM - steering thing a ma jiggy (Juan Vega)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: steering thing a ma jiggy (ZodieRocket)
6. 09:08 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar (japhillipsga@aol.com)
7. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 09:54 AM - Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (robert stone)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: locking latch (flyingmike9)
10. 02:44 PM - Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 (kmccune)
11. 02:52 PM - Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 (kmccune)
12. 04:36 PM - Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (PatrickW)
13. 05:16 PM - Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (PatrickW)
14. 06:18 PM - Re: antenna stiffeners (leinad)
15. 06:53 PM - Re: Jab dual throttle (Ron Ellis)
16. 07:13 PM - nutplates spec (Carlos Sa)
17. 09:17 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar (Al Young)
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| Subject: | Re: antenna stiffeners |
I MOUNTED MY AS FAR AFT IN THE BAGGAGE AREA AND ADDED A .040 PLATE TO IT AND CURVED
IT TO MATCH. I ALSO ENDED UP PUTTING A ACCESS DOOR UNDER THE FUSELAGE, AND
WITH THAT I WOULD HAVE PUT THE ANTENNAE OVER THAT AND NOT IN THE BAGGAGE AREA.
STILL WORKS FINE
GLENN
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ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | BMW Motor Mounts? |
My engine is arriving at the end of the month and i do not have a motor
mount for it.
Does anyone know where i can get the plans or buy a motor mount for the BMW
on the Zodiac XL?
i live in Germany and i tried CzAW, but they no longer make it.
Many thx!
HKM
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| Subject: | Flight Simulator files for CH701 |
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| Subject: | steering thing a ma jiggy |
Bryan and fellow Dudes;
on locking the ailerons and elevator, take two tennis balls, preferably chewed
and drooled on by the dog, drill hole through both balls. take cloths hangar
trhough both balls.
take a bungy cord from boat supply store, and string through each set of two balls.
make knots on each end that are easily removable(half hitch or slip knot
best) "refer to handy boyscout or girl scout handbook, depending on reader".
walk to the back of the plane and in the gap between the falps and elevator slip
the balls with cord through gap and slip the know tight.
BAMMM! you have yourself a elevator/aileron stop. Whats nice you you move the
steering structure, it flexes, preventing stress on wings and structure.
The cost to you users is one cases of beer next time you see me at a fly in.
Juan Vega
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| Subject: | steering thing a ma jiggy |
Juan send pictures, you must earn that beer. Though, I am a coffee
drinker.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juan Vega
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: steering thing a ma jiggy
Bryan and fellow Dudes;
on locking the ailerons and elevator, take two tennis balls, preferably
chewed and drooled on by the dog, drill hole through both balls. take
cloths hangar trhough both balls.
take a bungy cord from boat supply store, and string through each set of
two balls. make knots on each end that are easily removable(half hitch
or slip knot best) "refer to handy boyscout or girl scout handbook,
depending on reader".
walk to the back of the plane and in the gap between the falps and
elevator slip the balls with cord through gap and slip the know tight.
BAMMM! you have yourself a elevator/aileron stop. Whats nice you you
move the steering structure, it flexes, preventing stress on wings and
structure.
The cost to you users is one cases of beer next time you see me at a fly
in.
Juan Vega
10/18/2007 9:54 AM
10/18/2007 9:54 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Al, how are you doing? I have not seen any thing from you in a while. Is you XL
up and flying again ? I went up to David Cotton's hanger a couple of months ago
to help him, but haven't heard anything about his progress since. I try to
fly my XL every weekend, but it's down to about every other week now as my efforts
on building this RV-8A is consuming my time. Best regards, Bill
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From: Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com>
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
I must add my kados to Eds.? The seminar was excellent.? Took many of the mysteries
out of the jab engine.? The seminar is a must for anyone who is even thinking
about the jab as the power for his project.? If you are thinking of any other
engine, before you buy, check out the seminar.? $300 is a lot less of a mistake
than $15000.? I know now that?I made the right choice.
Al Young
601XL- jab 3300
N-601AY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do Not Archive
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From: Edward Moody II
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Just got back home from a 1300 mile round trip drive?to Shelbyville TN where Jabiru
USA put on an engine maintenance and repair seminar. Many helpful little
tidbits came out in addition to the expected technical?education on totally reassembling
a 3300 engine from individual parts. Pete Krotje and his staff have
had to resolve a lot of?engine screw ups over the years and they shared many
of those "Don't do this because this (holding up a broken engine part) will be
the result" stories with the class.
?
This was the first of two seminars there for me. I will be heading back there next
month for a seminar on installing a 3300 on a Zodiac 601XL, which is what
I will be doing very soon. My point is that having spent some time with Pete,
Nick Otterback, and Mark Stauffer at the seminar left me with a good feeling about
being able to work with them into the future. I'd recommend that anyone who
is running a Jabiru engine and can make it to Tennessee for one of these seminars
should go for it. The area is fun and interesting (not the least of which
is the Jack Daniels Distillery in nearby Lynchburg, TN), the folks are friendly
and love anything airplane related, and it is always easier to get through
a problem with someone you know rather than with someone you have only written
to or phoned.
?
Now, once I get a bit caught up on putting out fires in the camp back here at home,
it's back to working on wiring the Zodiac.
?
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling |
Ed, don't fly slower, just fly higher, Bill
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From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:00 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this
a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"?
I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area
and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab
here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods?
Don
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KLRD
Rans S-12 Flying not built
Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order
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| Subject: | Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS |
Members,
This message is to advise all of you who are using the Garmin Color
296 GPS and having trouble reading the screen because it is not light
enough to compete with the sun. I have one of these units and trying to
read it in bright sun light under a bubble or tear drop canopy is almost
impossible. I just got off the phone with Garmin Electronics and there
is a modification available for the 296 for a fee of $50.00. They will
modify the unit to match the newer GPS units in light intensity so that
they are more easily read. For those of you who are interested, here is
the address to send your unit to for this modification.
Garmin International
1200 East 151 Street
Door 1,
Olathe, Kansas, 66062
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: locking latch |
i have to apologize to CZAW as they had replied but there emails where forwarded
to my spam folder without my knowledge
i have had replies from them which includes pictures and help
great stuff
cheers
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 |
I have the 2004 701 files and I can't remember where I got them. But I know that
I don't use them much because I have the X version and the plane won't land!
The Savannah one works fine so I use that because its the same thing ;^). But
I do hate the lack of a clear top on the Savannah....humph! Anyway I think I
threw out the compressed files for the 701 ... I'll check and get back to you.
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 |
email me.
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| Subject: | Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
Today I discovered that I need four AN316-5R nuts that are not included in the
kit inventory.
Aaargghhh.
Fine. I'll buy them and keep moving forward...
In order to save $$$ on "shipping & handling", I'd like to buy as much of the extra
stuff as possible all at the same time.
What do you know of that is needed to complete the 601XL airframe that is NOT included
in the kit...?
To start,
1) Four AN316-5R "jam nuts" as seen on 6-W-10 (yeah, I know that local hardware
store nuts should be just fine for this specific application, but that's beside
the point).
2) What else is missing that is needed to complete the airframe...?
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
While in AZ, I had the opportunity to say "hi" to the nice people at http://www.silverskyaviation.com
What a great group of people. I put in a couple hours of dual time with one of
them in their Zodiac.
I'd flown the red & white factory demo at the Zenith hanger in Mexico, Missouri
during a Rudder Workshop - but just for a few minutes. Yesterday I was able
to put some real world hands-on stick time on an XL.
Impressions:
On taxi'ing out to the run-up area, I noted the short coupled landing gear made
for a tight turning radius.
Acceleration upon takeoff with the 100hp Continental was brisk. Takeoff roll was
short on the paved runway, and pattern altitude was attained about the time
I was turning onto Downwind. Certainly could have done even better if I'd have
been striving for Vy.
Plane has a sensitive elevator. That's a wonderful thing when you're going slow,
and is great for holding the nose up when you're gently dropping the mains
upon landing. Requires a gentle touch at speed, but it's nothing that the average
guy isn't going to get the hang of within a few minutes. It's not a big
deal, and you shouldn't let that scare you one bit.
Visibility out of the canopy is great. Really great. Nothing else I've ever flown
even compares (except a Breezy).
My first attempts at landing were way too fast. Slowing it way down to about 60
or so was much better. The XL is an easy airplane to land, and I got the feel
for it quite quickly.
We did some slow flight. With full flaps this plane will hover at about 38. Unreal,
and I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. That's Piper Cub
range. Clean stalls were around 48. There was a stall warning buzzer that went
off around 55 or so. Cruise speed was about 100.
Also did some of the basic stuff - S turns, turns around a point, etc. It flew
very well. Some guys a while back said "twitchy", but that's not exactly right.
"Crisp" describes it better, if that makes any sense. Also, the aileron
trim makes a huge difference. If it's out of trim, one wing will be very heavy.
You'll notice it!
The only time I was nervous was during some steep turns. Given that this was plane
was "AMD serial number 1" and there were two pretty big guys in it, I didn't
want to push it. It did have the wing replaced earlier due to previous damage,
and during the preflight I checked that the rear attachment bolts looked
tight. Obviously we were fine, so I'll leave it at that.
Overall, I was very impressed with the aircraft. I'm 6'3" tall and had plenty
of headroom. Never touched shoulders with the other guy, nor did I bump my headset
on the canopy.
I'll be doing a few things different in my own Zodiac that I'm building. The shoulder
harness was too long, and I didn't like the flap switch. A couple inches
of leg room would be nice. Otherwise, it was darn near a perfect setup for
me.
What a great way to get motivated for my own project :-)
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: antenna stiffeners |
Craig,
Oops :( Thanks for reminding me. I knew about it at one point. Anyway I think
I'll combine the crimped antenna support and a doubler under the skin like
some others have done. Thanks for setting me straight.
Luckily it wasn't riveted yet.
Thank you to the others that replied too.
Dan
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Did you include the two crimped L angles that arch between the two upper
> front-to-rear L stiffeners? See pages 8-10 of this part of the photo
> assembly guide:
>
> www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-21c.pdf
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Jab dual throttle |
I talked to Pete today at USjabiru and he said that
most folks with the upper angle on the firewall shelf,
were running the throttle cable through the shelf like
Jeff did. I asked how much I should worry about the
cable entering the adjuster at an angle (happens at
low throttle settings when cable is pulled) and he
said not to worry about it. He said he isn't aware of
any premature cable wear doing it like that. I'll
probably install it that way, but add some fairlead to
the shelf to keep the cable from rubbing on the side
of the adjuster. If I end up with too much friction,
then I may convert to a push rod system like Lance
Gingell installed (by the way, excellent website
Lance.)
Thanks for all of the input,
Ron
601XL-3300
>Ron,
I installed my Jabiru 3300 about a year ago.
>I bought it and the FWF about two years ago. So I
>have parts of that vintage. The FWF came first by
>several months. I have the dual throttle option. For
>the center throttle cable I drilled a hole in >the
"shelf" with no problems...
Jeff >Davidson
> I found a small issue with the Jab 601XL 3300
>firewall forward, dual throttle installation. It
>looks like the dual throttle from USJabiru was
>designed for the pre- 6B8-11 upper angle, and 6B8-10
>forward gusset on the 6B7-1 firewall top stiffener...
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Hello, all
I found this Alcoa site with detailed specs on fasteners - including
nutplates:
*http://tinyurl.com/2hn9zc
*
A useful tool for those like me that need to buy parts "in the dark" without
ever having seen one "live".
Cheers
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Hi Bill- Good to hear from you. My XL is ready for flight. At least
in a few days. I had serious problem with the engine over the summer.
Couldn't get above 1800 RPM. Finally I took the engine back to JabUSA
and they found that it had been set out of timing when they tore it down
after my "incident". I just got it re installed and the prop on it
yesterday. I adjusted the valve lifters and it ran like crazy. Had it
up to 2950 RPM just for a short few seconds and I couldn't hold it with
the brakes. Hope the first flight will be next week. I heard you were
building a RV. How is that experience compaired to the XL? My next one
if I can ever afford it will be either an RV or one of Pete Krojes'
Lightnings. Best regards- Al Do Not Archive
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From: japhillipsga@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Al, how are you doing? I have not seen any thing from you in a while.
Is you XL up and flying again ? I went up to David Cotton's hanger a
couple of months ago to help him, but haven't heard anything about his
progress since. I try to fly my XL every weekend, but it's down to about
every other week now as my efforts on building this RV-8A is consuming
my time. Best regards, Bill
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From: Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
I must add my kados to Eds. The seminar was excellent. Took many of
the mysteries out of the jab engine. The seminar is a must for anyone
who is even thinking about the jab as the power for his project. If you
are thinking of any other engine, before you buy, check out the seminar.
$300 is a lot less of a mistake than $15000. I know now that I made
the right choice.
Al Young
601XL- jab 3300
N-601AY Do
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From: Edward Moody II
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Just got back home from a 1300 mile round trip drive to Shelbyville
TN where Jabiru USA put on an engine maintenance and repair seminar.
Many helpful little tidbits came out in addition to the expected
technical education on totally reassembling a 3300 engine from
individual parts. Pete Krotje and his staff have had to resolve a lot of
engine screw ups over the years and they shared many of those "Don't do
this because this (holding up a broken engine part) will be the result"
stories with the class.
This was the first of two seminars there for me. I will be heading
back there next month for a seminar on installing a 3300 on a Zodiac
601XL, which is what I will be doing very soon. My point is that having
spent some time with Pete, Nick Otterback, and Mark Stauffer at the
seminar left me with a good feeling about being able to work with them
into the future. I'd recommend that anyone who is running a Jabiru
engine and can make it to Tennessee for one of these seminars should go
for it. The area is fun and interesting (not the least of which is the
Jack Daniels Distillery in nearby Lynchburg, TN), the folks are friendly
and love anything airplane related, and it is always easier to get
through a problem with someone you know rather than with someone you
have only written to or phoned.
Now, once I get a bit caught up on putting out fires in the camp
back here at home, it's back to working on wiring the Zodiac.
Dred
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