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1. 01:32 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (mcr01steiner@mac.com)
2. 03:44 AM - Post language (river1)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (mcr01steiner@mac.com)
4. 05:58 AM - Rudder Failure (steve)
5. 07:14 AM - Re: Rudder Failure (LarryMcFarland)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (MacDonald Doug)
7. 08:25 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (The Keeners)
9. 10:18 AM - Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (Tim Juhl)
10. 11:16 AM - Re: Rudder Failure (Bob Unternaehrer)
11. 11:36 AM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Bob Unternaehrer)
12. 01:05 PM - Re: Rudder Failure (Gig Giacona)
13. 01:19 PM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Gig Giacona)
14. 04:13 PM - Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (Bill Naumuk)
15. 06:09 PM - Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 (kmccune)
16. 09:05 PM - Hanging the wing for storage (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
Hallo Herr Mullis,
auf der website von takeoff ( http://www.takeoff-ul.de ) ist unter
dem Menupunkt "Dreiachser" auf Seite 2 eine BMW Installation auf
einer XL abgebildet. Haben Sie dort schon nachgefragt?
Sonst k=F6nnte ich mit vorstellen das man bei Roland Aircraft Ihnen
weiterhelfen k=F6nnte. ( http://www.roland-aircraft.de ).
Freundliche Gr=FCsse
Christoph Steiner
Am 18.10.2007 um 10:37 schrieb HermanMullis@aol.com:
> My engine is arriving at the end of the month and i do not have a
> motor mount for it.
>
> Does anyone know where i can get the plans or buy a motor mount for
> the BMW on the Zodiac XL?
>
> i live in Germany and i tried CzAW, but they no longer make it.
>
> Many thx!
> HKM
>
>
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Engish is not my first language , I wouldn't post on any other , what good is that
for the group in terms sharing info ? .
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
Sorry list, the message was meant to be sent privately.
Christoph Steiner
> Hallo Herr Mullis,
>
> auf der website von takeoff ( http://www.takeoff-ul.de ) ist unter
> dem Menupunkt "Dreiachser" auf Seite 2 eine BMW Installation auf
> einer XL abgebildet. Haben Sie dort schon nachgefragt?
>
...........
>
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Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ?
I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder.
First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges.....
If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls off.
so long.........................
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure |
Steve,
The rather thick material isn't likely to wear or break over a very long
period, but that's one item to look at during preflight inspection.
A little spray lube wouldn't hurt either. I've never heard of a rudder
being lost. A side-tilt canopy could possibly take one off if lost.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ?
>
> I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder.
>
> First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges.....
>
> If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls
> off. so long.........................
>
> Steve
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
Patrick, I have found that is is always good to have a few spare AN bolts, uts,
and washers kicking around. You might want to consider ordering a parts kit
from someone like Spruce. They sell a starter bolt and nut kit for 40-50 dollar
I think that has several different sizes in it.
This will help but I gauratee you will still be short the one size "You REALLY
need" to complete some future component.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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----- Original Message ----
From: PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:32:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
Today I discovered that I need four AN316-5R nuts that are not included in the
kit inventory.
Aaargghhh.
Fine. I'll buy them and keep moving forward...
In order to save $$$ on "shipping & handling", I'd like to buy as much of the extra
stuff as possible all at the same time.
What do you know of that is needed to complete the 601XL airframe that is NOT included
in the kit...?
To start,
1) Four AN316-5R "jam nuts" as seen on 6-W-10 (yeah, I know that local hardware
store nuts should be just fine for this specific application, but that's beside
the point).
2) What else is missing that is needed to complete the airframe...?
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Seminar |
Al, sounds like your 3300 will be a demon in the air! I went by the airport last
evening to pick up my headsets for some maintenance and found an oil puddle
under the cowl. Oh Hell! something else to fix!. I didn't have the heart to take
the cowl off and see what it was, maybe this weekend. Yes I'm building an RV-8a
and about to finish up on the fuselage. Have the wings and tail completed
and just received the rest of the kit for finish work. I can see the light at
the end of the tunnel, but it's still damned small and dim. Ha. You can compare
the XL to the RV, but in so many ways you have to learn different skills in
sheet metal work. Initial assembly is easier with pre punched holes, but solid
riveting and the process to get each piece ready is much more demanding. That
and so much of an RV assembly requires two folks while as you know?you can build
an XL mostly by yourself. Also everything is much thicker and stronger. The
8a is a Sherman tank compared to the XL. I hope to
hear about a super second first flight real soon and good luck! Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com>
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:15 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Hi Bill-? Good to hear from you.? My XL is ready for flight.? At least in a few
days.? I had serious problem with the engine over the summer.? Couldn't get above
1800 RPM.? Finally?I took the engine back to JabUSA and they found that it
had been set out of timing when they tore it down after my "incident".? I just
got it re installed and the prop on it yesterday.?I adjusted the valve lifters
and it ran like crazy.? Had it up to 2950 RPM just for a short few seconds
and I couldn't hold it with the brakes.? Hope the first flight will be next week.?
I heard you were building a RV.? How is that experience compaired to the
XL?? My next one if I can ever afford it will be either an RV or one of Pete
Krojes' Lightnings. Best regards- Al??? Do Not Archive?
----- Original Message -----
From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Al, how are you doing? I have not seen any thing from you in a while. Is you XL
up and flying again ? I went up to David Cotton's hanger a couple of months ago
to help him, but haven't heard anything about his progress since. I try to
fly my XL every weekend, but it's down to about every other week now as my efforts
on building this RV-8A is consuming my time. Best regards, Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: Al Young <armyret@mchsi.com>
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
I must add my kados to Eds.? The seminar was excellent.? Took many of the mysteries
out of the jab engine.? The seminar is a must for anyone who is even thinking
about the jab as the power for his project.? If you are thinking of any other
engine, before you buy, check out the seminar.? $300 is a lot less of a mistake
than $15000.? I know now that?I made the right choice.
Al Young
601XL- jab 3300
N-601AY???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Moody II
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Seminar
Just got back home from a 1300 mile round trip drive?to Shelbyville TN where Jabiru
USA put on an engine maintenance and repair seminar. Many helpful little
tidbits came out in addition to the expected technical?education on totally reassembling
a 3300 engine from individual parts. Pete Krotje and his staff have
had to resolve a lot of?engine screw ups over the years and they shared many
of those "Don't do this because this (holding up a broken engine part) will be
the result" stories with the class.
?
This was the first of two seminars there for me. I will be heading back there next
month for a seminar on installing a 3300 on a Zodiac 601XL, which is what
I will be doing very soon. My point is that having spent some time with Pete,
Nick Otterback, and Mark Stauffer at the seminar left me with a good feeling about
being able to work with them into the future. I'd recommend that anyone who
is running a Jabiru engine and can make it to Tennessee for one of these seminars
should go for it. The area is fun and interesting (not the least of which
is the Jack Daniels Distillery in nearby Lynchburg, TN), the folks are friendly
and love anything airplane related, and it is always easier to get through
a problem with someone you know rather than with someone you have only written
to or phoned.
?
Now, once I get a bit caught up on putting out fires in the camp back here at home,
it's back to working on wiring the Zodiac.
?
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
Reference to elevator - I like to call it "responsive". It just sounds
better than "sensitive"....
Can't wait to fly!
FKeener, Rocklin, CA
CH601XL - 2% done...
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| Subject: | Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS |
Thank you Bob!
You folks on this forum are the greatest! How else could someone in a remote
location benefit from the wisdom of so many other builders?
Thanks!
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure |
<<<A side-tilt canopy could possibly (on )take, one off if lost.>>
That has happened. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: LarryMcFarland
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Failure
<larry@macsmachine.com>
Steve,
The rather thick material isn't likely to wear or break over a very
long
period, but that's one item to look at during preflight inspection.
A little spray lube wouldn't hurt either. I've never heard of a
rudder
being lost. A side-tilt canopy could possibly take one off if lost.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ?
>
> I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder.
>
> First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges.....
>
> If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls
> off. so long.........................
>
> Steve
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph.
100knts wouldn't even be to swift. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: PatrickW
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
While in AZ, I had the opportunity to say "hi" to the nice people at
http://www.silverskyaviation.com
What a great group of people. I put in a couple hours of dual time
with one of them in their Zodiac.
I'd flown the red & white factory demo at the Zenith hanger in Mexico,
Missouri during a Rudder Workshop - but just for a few minutes.
Yesterday I was able to put some real world hands-on stick time on an
XL.
Impressions:
On taxi'ing out to the run-up area, I noted the short coupled landing
gear made for a tight turning radius.
Acceleration upon takeoff with the 100hp Continental was brisk.
Takeoff roll was short on the paved runway, and pattern altitude was
attained about the time I was turning onto Downwind. Certainly could
have done even better if I'd have been striving for Vy.
Plane has a sensitive elevator. That's a wonderful thing when you're
going slow, and is great for holding the nose up when you're gently
dropping the mains upon landing. Requires a gentle touch at speed, but
it's nothing that the average guy isn't going to get the hang of within
a few minutes. It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't let that scare
you one bit.
Visibility out of the canopy is great. Really great. Nothing else
I've ever flown even compares (except a Breezy).
My first attempts at landing were way too fast. Slowing it way down
to about 60 or so was much better. The XL is an easy airplane to land,
and I got the feel for it quite quickly.
We did some slow flight. With full flaps this plane will hover at
about 38. Unreal, and I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
That's Piper Cub range. Clean stalls were around 48. There was a
stall warning buzzer that went off around 55 or so. Cruise speed was
about 100.
Also did some of the basic stuff - S turns, turns around a point, etc.
It flew very well. Some guys a while back said "twitchy", but that's
not exactly right. "Crisp" describes it better, if that makes any
sense. Also, the aileron trim makes a huge difference. If it's out of
trim, one wing will be very heavy. You'll notice it!
The only time I was nervous was during some steep turns. Given that
this was plane was "AMD serial number 1" and there were two pretty big
guys in it, I didn't want to push it. It did have the wing replaced
earlier due to previous damage, and during the preflight I checked that
the rear attachment bolts looked tight. Obviously we were fine, so I'll
leave it at that.
Overall, I was very impressed with the aircraft. I'm 6'3" tall and
had plenty of headroom. Never touched shoulders with the other guy, nor
did I bump my headset on the canopy.
I'll be doing a few things different in my own Zodiac that I'm
building. The shoulder harness was too long, and I didn't like the flap
switch. A couple inches of leg room would be nice. Otherwise, it was
darn near a perfect setup for me.
What a great way to get motivated for my own project :-)
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure |
That's more of a problem with the side-tilt canopy than the rudder.
shilcom wrote:
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
That would be the slowest XL I've heard of.
shilcom wrote:
> Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph. 100knts
wouldn't even be to swift. Bob U.
> ---
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
Pat-
Did you buy a kit, or are you scratchbuilding? If you bought a kit,
contact Zenith and they'll supply what's missing
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Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
>
> Today I discovered that I need four AN316-5R nuts that are not included in
> the kit inventory.
>
> Aaargghhh.
>
> Fine. I'll buy them and keep moving forward...
>
> In order to save $$$ on "shipping & handling", I'd like to buy as much of
> the extra stuff as possible all at the same time.
>
> What do you know of that is needed to complete the 601XL airframe that is
> NOT included in the kit...?
>
> To start,
>
> 1) Four AN316-5R "jam nuts" as seen on 6-W-10 (yeah, I know that local
> hardware store nuts should be just fine for this specific application, but
> that's beside the point).
> 2) What else is missing that is needed to complete the airframe...?
>
>
> Patrick
> XL/Corvair
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140697#140697
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 |
Please re-email me, I got a new computer and the switch over didn't go as smooth
as I thought. Yup I lost info and files :x
Kevin
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Kevin
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| Subject: | Hanging the wing for storage |
Hey gang,
Today I hung the Left wing from the ceiling of the garage. It was quite an event
in itself. The wing assembly started last Christmas. The next one should go
much quicker.
Gonna take a aircraft building break and try my hand at the "Larry McFarland Light
Sport Recumbent Bicycle". Bought the plans and seat from Larry and found
a core bicycle on CraigsList. Here are a couple of pics.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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