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1. 03:51 AM - Re: 601 HD power VS speed (Clive Richards)
2. 10:01 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (SockPuppet61)
3. 10:21 AM - CH701 builders: another DVD volume is ready! (Jon Croke)
4. 10:32 AM - Rudder failure (steve)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (GeorgeM)
6. 11:20 AM - Re: Rudder failure (David Downey)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (Eric Tiethoff)
8. 12:21 PM - Re: Rudder Failure (Dave Nixon)
9. 12:45 PM - Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (Craig Payne)
10. 01:00 PM - Re: Rudder failure (LarryMcFarland)
11. 03:41 PM - Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 (kmccune)
12. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Failure (Southern Reflections)
13. 04:58 PM - Dynon system with XL senders (LHusky@aol.com)
14. 06:47 PM - Re: Dynon system with XL senders (george may)
15. 06:53 PM - Re: Dynon system with XL senders (LHusky@aol.com)
16. 07:23 PM - Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (PatrickW)
17. 07:32 PM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (PatrickW)
18. 07:41 PM - OK 701 flyers, what does it really cruise at with your engine,weight empty +mods (Joemotis@aol.com)
19. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (Jim and Lucy)
20. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (Paul Mulwitz)
21. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (Zodie Rocket)
23. 09:08 PM - Re: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Zodie Rocket)
24. 09:22 PM - Hard Drive Failure (Zodie Rocket)
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD power VS speed |
Rolls Royce Contintal 0-200 80 Knots at 2300 RPM 20 litres per hour 2
POB
Ray Lasniers 601HD G-CBDG 176 Hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Woody sulloway
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD power VS speed
If you have a 601HD, what is it powered with and what is your cruise
speed at 75% power?
Any other factors that you believe might affect that speed?
Thanks
Woody
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
What BMW engines generate 100HP?
It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that they would
be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a small airplane.
Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to hear
from anybody flying one.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140883#140883
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| Subject: | CH701 builders: another DVD volume is ready! |
HomebuiltHELP has just finished another video in the series for building
your CH701.
This newest release is titled: 912S Engine Installation and features the
new dynafocal ring mount that is shipped with the latest Zenith firewall
forward kit. It was filmed at the recent engine installation workshop
conducted at Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale Caifornia. It features a
step by step demonstration of the firewall forward components and engine
installation on the 701. Pictures and details can be found at
http://homebuilthelp.com/CH701Rotax.htm
An additional "bonus" DVD will be included with this release. We had
the opportunity to interview Christopher Desmond, an experienced 701
bush pilot, as he discusses flying his 701. On the video, he performs a
walk around on his plane, pointing out the features of the aircraft that
allow him to perform the type of flying that has made the 701 famous.
Also, because of the "extreme" nature of his off-airport back-country
flying, his plane has some modifications which he discusses.
Christopher has been filming his adventures and will be making a DVD of
his own available soon.
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I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A 5
rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on.....
I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a
good addition and for peace for my mind....
SW
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
Hi SockPuppet61,
Here are some interesting links for BMW engine:
http://www.takeoff-ul.de/ - This is Wilfried Bleidiesel site. He sells BMW
engines.
And here is one of the guys who is flying it:
http://www.spang-air.de/willkommen/BMW_Engine/bmw_engine.html
Here is picture taken at Wilfried shop showing old and new prop shafts:
http://www.propellers.us/misc/propshafts.JPG
Hope all this info is what you looking for.
George M.
Westbury NY
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From: "SockPuppet61" <sockpuppet61@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
>
> What BMW engines generate 100HP?
>
> It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that
> they would be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a
> small airplane.
>
> Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to
> hear from anybody flying one.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140883#140883
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder failure |
I would never even consider a rigid epoxy like that for that application, T
he hinges are subject to peeling forces from the spar. If the basic design
is not to your satisfaction, then maybe something like assembling with ProS
eal 890 sealant would be an "improvement" as it is trememdously tough and l
oves peel. In any case the proper cleaning amnd preparation of the aluminum
is critical as the durability of the bond is pretty severely compromised d
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ilure=0A=0A=0AI was asking about any rudder failures because there are only
eight A 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on
.....=0AI would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would b
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or
Jabiru- engine ?
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What BMW engines generate 100HP?
It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that
they would be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a
small airplane.
Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to
hear from anybody flying one.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure |
Is it possible to lose a rudder? I am sure that it is if a side canopy comes off
and smashes thru it. But in flight, the rudder wants to stay in line with the
fuselage and VERY little peddle is required to change the aircraft direction.
Keeping these two hinge points as part of the pre-flight inspection is, in
my mind, mandatory. However, dreading the rudder falling off is not even on
my radar screen.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140903#140903
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| Subject: | Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS |
At that price I don't think they are replacing the LCD itself. I'm guessing
they are replacing the LED backlight with brighter LEDs. Did they give any
details?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder failure |
Steve,
Just because you can imagine the tension, you can also nearly feel the
rivets letting go. That is a lot of wind,
but seriously, you'd also be able to tell they were letting go by
looking at the hinge fit. It would be very distorted and
obviously impinging on rudder movement. If you drilled the right size
holes for the right size rivet, I don't think you're
going to live long enough to see them pull out. I wouldn't mess with
the glue because you may have reason to salvage the rudder or the
hinges one day. Of course, I didn't mean that you wouldn't live long for
any reason, well, you know what I mean. Ha!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A
> 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on.....
> I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a
> good addition and for peace for my mind....
>
> SW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701 |
I found the site for the Sim CH 701 file :D
http://www.simviation.com/downloads.html
Sorry for the wait.
Kevin
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140919#140919
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Failure |
Hey Dave, I under stand what you are thinking about,you must remember the
people that designed aircraft are engineers they don't Think what the
strengh is ,they Know what it is !or at least I hope they do If you want to
think about something.. take a look at that thin ass piece of break metal
witl a couple of 1"flat bars at the top and bottom and it is called a Main
Spar BUT it is enginnered for the 601 and there a lot of them flying..
Fly safe and dont worry It won' do any good any way.. Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Failure
>
> Is it possible to lose a rudder? I am sure that it is if a side canopy
> comes off and smashes thru it. But in flight, the rudder wants to stay in
> line with the fuselage and VERY little peddle is required to change the
> aircraft direction. Keeping these two hinge points as part of the
> pre-flight inspection is, in my mind, mandatory. However, dreading the
> rudder falling off is not even on my radar screen.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140903#140903
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dynon system with XL senders |
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon
system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders bent
up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them.
Thanks for the info!
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Dynon system with XL senders |
Larry--
I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel inf
o. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reas
onably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel flow opti
on from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more than the
guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check
Good luck
George May
601XL 912s 163 hours
From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li
st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list@matronics.com
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno
n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be
nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th
em.
Thanks for the info!
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon system with XL senders |
Great! I had forgot to ask about the fuel flow option. Thanks for the
information.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> Did you buy a kit, or are you scratchbuilding?
I'm building from component kits. Feel like I'm on the "home stretch" now with
the Fuselage kit sitting in my garage... :D
Zentith has been 100% accurate so far in packing what they say the pack, as there
is a shipping list that is included with the individual parts checked off,
which I double check.
But in this case I don't think they intended to include the particular nuts, since
they don't appear on the pick list. They're just simple "jam nuts", so I
think I'll "home depot" them and press on.
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
shilcom wrote:
> Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph.
No, not a typo. I should have asked about the prop - I bet it was a "climb prop".
Climb performance was pretty good, and I know that density altitude is an
issue during the summer time in Arizona.
I'll fly it again next time I'm in the area and find out some more. But it sure
was a nice handling airplane, and I'd be happy with it.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | OK 701 flyers, what does it really cruise at with your engine,weight |
empty +mods
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| Subject: | Re: BMW Motor Mounts? |
At 02:44 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or
>Jabiru- engine ?
>
>
I have not wondered this because it is untrue.
Jim Pollard
ch601 hds
ea81
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| Subject: | Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
>
>
>I'm building from component kits. Feel like I'm on the "home
>stretch" now with the Fuselage kit sitting in my garage... :D
>
>Zentith has been 100% accurate so far in packing what they say the
>pack, as there is a shipping list that is included with the
>individual parts checked off, which I double check.
>
>But in this case I don't think they intended to include the
>particular nuts, since they don't appear on the pick list. They're
>just simple "jam nuts", so I think I'll "home depot" them and press on.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Patrick
>XL/Corvair
Hi Patrick,
I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. While ZAC does a fine job
of producing its kits, they are not indeed complete enough to end up
with a flying airplane when you finish using up the parts.
One of the new skills I have learned building my XL is how to find
and order proper aircraft grade materials and hardware. Perhaps this
is a good time for you to start doing this as well.
A good place to start looking is Aircraft Spruce which can be found
on the web at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/ The jam nuts you want
can be found under "hardware AN316". You will probably find they are
less expensive for mil. spec. parts than your local hardware store is
for junk steel parts. Alas, you will have to pay for shipping and
the art of selecting a shipping method for any given order is part of
the learning curve.
I can't tell you exactly what needs you will have as you get closer
to completion of your plane. I can tell you what sort of things I
have run into as I finish the fuselage of mine.
My most recent tasks have involved connecting the brake cylinders
(from the kit) to the wheel calipers (also from the kit). To do this
I designed a new fairing and nylon support to pass the brake line
(which I also procured myself - I didn't like the quality of plastic
used in the kit part supplied) through the cabin floor. This
required finding bolts (AN3-4A) and nuts along with clamps (AN742-D4)
to hold the line in place against the skin and grommets (AN931-4-7)
to support the brake line as it passes through newly designed
fairings for the rear of the main gear spring.
I have also been working on a design for the place where the nose
steering tie rods pass through the firewall. The drawings from ZAC
leave this as an open wound in the firewall. I ordered some 4130
tubing from Aircraft Spruce (AKA "AS") that just fits over the
threaded rod supplied in the kit and am working on welding a hook for
a spring to hold my new flat 4130 piece in place on the front of the firewall.
I am currently on a side track learning how to TIG weld the parts I
want for the firewall. This is probably excessive since I already
know how to weld with oxy/acetylene, but I wasn't happy with the work
quality on such small parts. Again, this is all about learning new
skills so I am happy with the diversion.
The point I am trying to make is you will probably need to do many
such things as you near completion of your plane. You certainly will
need to deal with things like engine, instruments, and perhaps some
arrangements to allow your annual inspections to go smoothly. If you
follow the drawings you will need to stand on your head with your
feet bumping into the canopy to look at the rudder pedals and brake
cylinders on the cabin floor
You may find all of this a fun challenge. If you feel stuck at any
point you can always post a question on this list and you will surely
get swift and useful answers.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage (Still nearing completion after 17 months on just the fuselage)
.
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
At 07:31 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
> > Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph.
>
>No, not a typo. I should have asked about the prop - I bet it was a
>"climb prop". Climb performance was pretty good, and I know that
>density altitude is an issue during the summer time in Arizona.
If you look at the AMD speed specifications you will see cruise at
130 mph true airspeed. This probably translates to a real indicated
cruise speed of 100 mph as reported.
There is a reason we don't hear much about XL builders using
Continental O-200 engines. I suspect AMD chose this path because its
customers (established FBO/Flight schools) already are familiar with
this engine and they don't really care about cruise speed. I see a
similar phenomenon with the new Cessna 162 that is selling like
hot-cakes with a Lycoming engine even though it's porky empty weight
of 830 pounds doesn't allow two adult Americans to fly in it at the same time.
This plodding cruise speed is one of the reasons we are building our
planes from kits or plans instead of buying factory built
compromises. We all want recreational flying craft rather than
primary trainers.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe |
Gents, the home depot aviation dept is useful for such things as wood for
forms and small non critical things, but when it comes to nuts and bolts
PLEASE PLEASE only install AN hardware. The AN hardware is a superior
manufacturing process with far stricter guide lines. Scrimp on lexan and
paint but not on the things that hold your plane together, remember you
would shutter at the thoughts of actually using POP rivets to hold your
plane together opposed to Avex blind rivets. You should also feel the same
shutter for using low grade nuts and bolts.
Mark
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL
Airframe
But in this case I don't think they intended to include the particular nuts,
since they don't appear on the pick list. They're just simple "jam nuts",
so I think I'll "home depot" them and press on.
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
2:59 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
The decision to go with the 0-200 is likely a cost issue, in order to get
SLSA approval a certified engine such as the 0-200 makes the process a lot
easier. Also the target purchaser, he is typically a gent who is afraid to
lose his medical. Typically an older fellow who knows the 0-200 and has in
all likely hood flown behind one at some point. So in order to keep flying
he switches to the LSA category and looks for something he is comfortable
with and does not have to learn. Is it the best choice, maybe, I have a
preference for the Jabiru configuration, but it is not as popular to the
older crowd who just want to continue flying and not have to learn about a
new powerplant. As for the Hot cake Cessna, it is nice for a company to have
so many schools/ dealers that they can tell to purchase a new plane, It may
be selling like hotcakes on paper but it is going down hard without the
syrup for a lot of dealers that have been forced to buy it.
Mark
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
At 07:31 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
> > Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph.
>
>No, not a typo. I should have asked about the prop - I bet it was a
>"climb prop". Climb performance was pretty good, and I know that
>density altitude is an issue during the summer time in Arizona.
If you look at the AMD speed specifications you will see cruise at
130 mph true airspeed. This probably translates to a real indicated
cruise speed of 100 mph as reported.
There is a reason we don't hear much about XL builders using
Continental O-200 engines. I suspect AMD chose this path because its
customers (established FBO/Flight schools) already are familiar with
this engine and they don't really care about cruise speed. I see a
similar phenomenon with the new Cessna 162 that is selling like
hot-cakes with a Lycoming engine even though it's porky empty weight
of 830 pounds doesn't allow two adult Americans to fly in it at the same
time.
This plodding cruise speed is one of the reasons we are building our
planes from kits or plans instead of buying factory built
compromises. We all want recreational flying craft rather than
primary trainers.
Paul
XL fuselage
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