---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/21/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:53 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (secatur) 2. 01:29 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (HermanMullis@aol.com) 3. 04:39 AM - Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (haven) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: Rudder failure (Carl) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Bill Naumuk) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (SockPuppet61) 7. 08:08 AM - Adjusting landing lights (XL) (Tim Juhl) 8. 08:11 AM - Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe (Tim Juhl) 9. 08:48 AM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Zodie Rocket) 10. 09:37 AM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Bill Naumuk) 11. 10:58 AM - Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Frank Derfler) 12. 12:36 PM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Bill Naumuk) 13. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? (Eric Tiethoff) 14. 01:24 PM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Paul Riedlinger) 15. 01:56 PM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Dave G.) 16. 02:37 PM - Re: Hard Drive Failure (Craig Payne) 17. 02:44 PM - battery access (LarryMcFarland) 18. 03:57 PM - Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (george may) 19. 07:17 PM - 601 XL (steve) 20. 07:24 PM - Re: 601 XL (Bill Naumuk) 21. 07:38 PM - Re: 601 XL (Bryan Martin) 22. 07:39 PM - Re: 601 XL (Gary Boothe) 23. 08:32 PM - Jabiru Firewall Forward Installation Seminar (Mark Stauffer) 24. 09:31 PM - Great software (David Mikesell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? From: "secatur" j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl wrote: > Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or > Jabiru- engine ? > > > No. have you ever wondered why there were so many people in the world with an IQ in single figures? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. > 1635 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140971#140971 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:50 AM PST US From: HermanMullis@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: BMW Motor Mounts? Dear SockPuppet61, The entire BMW R 1200 Boxer series, all produce over 100hp. That includes the GS, RT, and ST models. The R 1200 S model produces 122hp! These numbers are from the factory for the stock motorcycles. Of course, these engines are all fuel injected, dual ignition and the 1200 series motors have a second crank with counter weights to balance the drive shaft. The 1200 GS introduced in 2004, is the number one selling BMW bike and over 100,000 GS have been sold. BMW has made a name for itself in the famous Paris-Dakar motocycle race, which is one of the most gruelling and dangerous sporting events in the world, on both men and machines. i am not flying yet, but others have. Take Off BMW says they have produced 250 powerplants with the BMW, mostly on Trikes, but the biggest problem is the cost!!! Specially, with the dropping value of the dollar, all European exports to the USA are going to get very expensive for dollar holders. Which means the Rotax products are all going higher! Pardon the pun!! HKM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe From: "haven" Here is one source for parts. They have tabs for Tech Info, indicated with a little wrench, which gives you a lot of info about the items. I am not building yet, so I don't know about their service, but they are very active on VAF. J Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140976#140976 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:26 AM PST US From: "Carl" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder failure SW, I added .040 doubler behind the spar and used eight 5/32 solid rivets. Overkill but peace of mind increased. 701/912 480 hours on floats. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder failure I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on..... I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a good addition and for peace for my mind.... SW ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:54 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure Mark- Again?! From experience, my sympaties. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zodie Rocket" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 12:21 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > Just to let a few of you know, recently I have suffered a hard drive > failure in my server, this is causing me a lot of hardship in posting some > replies and retrieving information. I hope to be fully recovered by next > week. So if your waiting for a letter from me please be patient, if you do > not hear from me by weeks end then please re-send your letter. Presently I > am bound to my workshops laptop and blackberry for E-Mails. > > Mark Townsend > Can-Zac Aviation > > 2:59 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? From: "SockPuppet61" George M, HKM, Thanks for the links and other info. The BMW is particularly interesting for smaller aircraft in particular because of its weight / power. I believe it's likely that BMWs can handle more g-load (at least as much as some smaller aircraft airframes) than a auto motor. Events like Paris-Dakar jam substantial g-load on the motors. I suspected that the BMW might make a good conversion but hadn't heard of anyone doing it until now. Interesting that there are some 250 conversions, many of them flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140987#140987 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Adjusting landing lights (XL) From: "Tim Juhl" I'm wrapping up the install of the factory landing light kit just outboard of the last rib as shown in the drawings. I have had to mess around a lot with the lens to get it to slide in and out and am hoping to save myself some trouble in the future. Would those of you who installed the lights and are using them be kind enough to share in general terms how you ended up angling the lights so that I might pre-adjust them somewhat? I assume the inboard is for taxi and the outboard is aimed more for landing. Starting with the bulbs square with the backing plate, what did you have to do? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140990#140990 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe From: "Tim Juhl" The hardware kit that shipped with my kit included 7 jam nuts in total- I suspect you should have received them as Zenith is pretty good about sending everything you need for work called for in the drawings. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140991#140991 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:02 AM PST US From: "Zodie Rocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure I have 7 computers hooked up to my server, I have burnt through a Seagate, W.D. and Maxtor. Last time I swore I would install a RAID system but the cost was too much. SO my pooched Hard drive is sitting in the freezer now and I hope to be able to transfer over most if not all the information before it dies for good. Mark Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure Mark- Again?! From experience, my sympaties. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa 2:59 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:00 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure Mark- There are companies that can recover all your information. Don't know about Canadian tax law, but it'll probably make for a sizeable deduction. I've been through all three of the brands you mention, too. I don't think it's so much a matter of the quality of the hard drive, but the potency of the virus you picked up. I had a Maxtor primary with a WD backup and both got totalled a couple of years back by the Microsoft Virus. It attacked the lowest levels of your OS. FWIW, I'm particular to Maxtor, not so much for the hardware but the Max Blast software. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zodie Rocket" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > I have 7 computers hooked up to my server, I have burnt through a Seagate, > W.D. and Maxtor. Last time I swore I would install a RAID system but the > cost was too much. SO my pooched Hard drive is sitting in the freezer now > and I hope to be able to transfer over most if not all the information > before it dies for good. > > Mark > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:43 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > > Mark- > Again?! From experience, my sympaties. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > > 2:59 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:34 AM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. It was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old man. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated at 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... at 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stratosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 2992." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altitude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher. The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed was quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dandy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR". That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discussion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasure to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find somebody who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exactly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works now. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of cake ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watch for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008. Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by fine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:30 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Frank- Do you have an early or current version of the Dynon? Software download problems aside, are you satisfied? Finally, are software upgrades free, as Dynon ads claim? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Derfler To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. It was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old man. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated at 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... at 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stratosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 2992." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altitude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher. The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed was quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dandy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR". That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discussion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasure to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find somebody who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exactly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works now. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of cake ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watch for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008. Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by fine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:29 PM PST US From: "Eric Tiethoff" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? The airframe of the Zenairs can handle a g-load of +6. With a 100hp engine you can't sustain more than 3G. So what's the point of an engine that can handle more than this ? (Unless you taxiing the Paris-Dakar wth your aircraft). -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] Namens SockPuppet61 Verzonden: zondag 21 oktober 2007 16:46 Aan: zenith-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? --> George M, HKM, Thanks for the links and other info. The BMW is particularly interesting for smaller aircraft in particular because of its weight / power. I believe it's likely that BMWs can handle more g-load (at least as much as some smaller aircraft airframes) than a auto motor. Events like Paris-Dakar jam substantial g-load on the motors. I suspected that the BMW might make a good conversion but hadn't heard of anyone doing it until now. Interesting that there are some 250 conversions, many of them flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140987#140987 -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 1635 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:00 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure I have had experience on both fronts: 1) I had a catastrophic crash of a hard disk that had 5 years of digital photos on it that were not backed up.....Stupid me had backed a laptop's data on the removable backup drive overtop of the main system backup to play with Linux when the crash on the main system occurred. I took my drive to a data-forensic company here in Toronto. After 2 week, a complete drive rebuild in a clean room and hours of data recovery tries, I got nothing! Fortunately, I also got a bill of $0 since they don't charge if they cant get any data. 2) Since then I have been a religious backer-upper. On our household network I started with an Xmeta NAS drive that everyone in the house backed up to. I recently upgraded to a DROBO system (www.drobo.com) and have been extremely happy. In a nutshell, the system can hold up to 2 TB of data in mirror. If a drive fails, the system lets you know, and you can hotswap the failed drive without turning anything off and the system will automatically re-mirror itself. Very nice! With 500 GB drives running under $200 there is not excuse not to run a full time backup system. I know the frustration Mark. Been there, done that! On 10/21/07, Bill Naumuk wrote: > > > Mark- > There are companies that can recover all your information. Don't know > about Canadian tax law, but it'll probably make for a sizeable deduction. > I've been through all three of the brands you mention, too. I don't > think it's so much a matter of the quality of the hard drive, but the > potency of the virus you picked up. I had a Maxtor primary with a WD > backup > and both got totalled a couple of years back by the Microsoft Virus. It > attacked the lowest levels of your OS. > FWIW, I'm particular to Maxtor, not so much for the hardware but the > Max > Blast software. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > HDS Fuse/Corvair > Townville, Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zodie Rocket" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > > > > > I have 7 computers hooked up to my server, I have burnt through a > Seagate, > > W.D. and Maxtor. Last time I swore I would install a RAID system but the > > cost was too much. SO my pooched Hard drive is sitting in the freezer > now > > and I hope to be able to transfer over most if not all the information > > before it dies for good. > > > > Mark > > Do not archive > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:43 AM > > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > > > > > Mark- > > Again?! From experience, my sympaties. > > do not archive > > Bill Naumuk > > HDS Fuse/Corvair > > Townville, Pa > > > > 2:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Paul Riedlinger cndmovn@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:25 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure Backing up disks the size of the ones now used in PC's is a rather large project. It might be easier to obtain one of the readily available cheap RAID controllers and a second hard drive of the same capacity. You can have full and real time redundancy. Better than backups with less effort. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Riedlinger To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure I have had experience on both fronts: 1) I had a catastrophic crash of a hard disk that had 5 years of digital photos on it that were not backed up.....Stupid me had backed a laptop's data on the removable backup drive overtop of the main system backup to play with Linux when the crash on the main system occurred. I took my drive to a data-forensic company here in Toronto. After 2 week, a complete drive rebuild in a clean room and hours of data recovery tries, I got nothing! Fortunately, I also got a bill of $0 since they don't charge if they cant get any data. 2) Since then I have been a religious backer-upper. On our household network I started with an Xmeta NAS drive that everyone in the house backed up to. I recently upgraded to a DROBO system ( www.drobo.com) and have been extremely happy. In a nutshell, the system can hold up to 2 TB of data in mirror. If a drive fails, the system lets you know, and you can hotswap the failed drive without turning anything off and the system will automatically re-mirror itself. Very nice! With 500 GB drives running under $200 there is not excuse not to run a full time backup system. I know the frustration Mark. Been there, done that! On 10/21/07, Bill Naumuk wrote: Mark- There are companies that can recover all your information. Don't know about Canadian tax law, but it'll probably make for a sizeable deduction. I've been through all three of the brands you mention, too. I don't think it's so much a matter of the quality of the hard drive, but the potency of the virus you picked up. I had a Maxtor primary with a WD backup and both got totalled a couple of years back by the Microsoft Virus. It attacked the lowest levels of your OS. FWIW, I'm particular to Maxtor, not so much for the hardware but the Max Blast software. do not archive Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zodie Rocket" < zodierocket@hsfx.ca> To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure zodierocket@hsfx.ca> > > I have 7 computers hooked up to my server, I have burnt through a Seagate, > W.D. and Maxtor. Last time I swore I would install a RAID system but the > cost was too much. SO my pooched Hard drive is sitting in the freezer now > and I hope to be able to transfer over most if not all the information > before it dies for good. > > Mark > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:43 AM > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure > > > Mark- > Again?! From experience, my sympaties. > do not archive -- Paul Riedlinger cndmovn@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:00 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Hard Drive Failure Also Microsoft Home Server is now out. Although dedicated servers running MHS like HPs are not out yet you can buy just the software and install it on a regular PC. Like the Drobo it does pseudo-RAID and ensures that your data is redundantly spread across multiple drives. The advantage of MHS over the Drobo or an external NAS box is that it runs on generic hardware. If your proprietary hardware dies you loose access to all your redundant drives (this happened to at least one Buffalo customer I know of). do not archive -- Craig ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:52 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith-List: battery access Hi guys, The construction journal put my batteries at 4 years, so this year one had to be replaced. Battery replacement and access seemed difficult as the 601s cabin width contradicts my 6-0 frame. A fetal position isnt good at my age, so perhaps a description is due for those who contemplate or are putting these batteries a foot or more behind the passenger seat for a balanced CG. The new battery was taken to the hangar. With the hangar door and canopy up, 3/8-inch wrenches were placed on the back shelf and a trouble light was set thru the pilot side. The seat backs were removed and a large foam-filled pillowcase was placed on each seat. Large foam-filled pillows make a full-width flat space thats near level with the console. Then, standing on the wing walk facing out, I carefully lowered my bottom over the side rail onto the foam pillow and pilots seat. I then laid back over the console onto the other side and twisted left to get both arms thru the seat bulkhead to the batteries. With tennis shoes and knees still hanging outside, it was tolerable! During construction, I placed my ground and contactor connections forward of the batteries to put the 4 cable connections in close proximity so without disconnecting, each battery can be lifted and rotated for removal. The battery hold-down bungee was removed and #1 battery was lifted from the box, rotated 180 degrees, and moved forward to a support tray between the battery box and the seat. There, the terminals were undone and the new battery was installed. Reconnect was easier and took half the time from this position. The reason I mention this, its easy to bust something trying to access to things forward and aft of the seats, but the pillows work really well and dampen the rib pain. So, if you do contemplate putting batteries back there consider little things that make them accessible and serviceable. Fly safe guys, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:44 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Frank-- Don't know why it took so long for your upgrade on the Dynon. I just upg raded to the latest software on both my D100 and D180. The D180 took about 20 minutes to backup current software and about 1/2 to upload new software . The EFIS only too about 20 minutes to do the upload. George May 601XL 912s 164 hours t@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. I t was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old ma n. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated a t 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... a t 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stra tosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 299 2." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altit ude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher . The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed w as quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dan dy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR" . That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discuss ion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasur e to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find some body who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exact ly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works n ow. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of ca ke ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watc h for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008 . Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by f ine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly ) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.co m - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM-Boat ers get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER .com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:27 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL They're right and left threads, but I couldn't tell you offhand which is which. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:17 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL The turnbuckle barrels have a left hand thread on one end and a right hand thread on the other. There should be forks or eyes with either left hand thread or right hand thread to match the barrels. If Zenith sent the wrong parts, give them a call and they should send out the right parts right a away. I've gotten real good service from them while I was building my plane. On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:16 PM, steve wrote: > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem > with the trun buckles. > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand > threads. > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? > > Steve # 55 -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:31 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL They are designed so that you can turn the barrel one way to tighten, one way to loosen. They need both right and left. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL They're right and left threads, but I couldn't tell you offhand which is which. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: steve Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:06 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Firewall Forward Installation Seminar Jabiru USA is hosting a Zenith Firewall Forward Installation Seminar 16-18 November 2007. Please visit http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithseminar.html for more information. Best regards, Mark ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:29 PM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Zenith-List: Great software Ok, here is some pretty good software for the airplane mechanic or even the airplane hobbyist. It was $22 and I downloaded or you can get the cd. It is called the Mechanics toolbox @ http://www.mechanicsupport.com/TellMeMore1.html and after being a mechanic for my entire life, I find this a great single resource for anything. I have been playing with it for a week and still amazed at all the things I find in it. Example Fasternes listed by part number, type with their strengths broken down by shear, tension, wear, vibrations.......tons of info. I was looking for my Bendix mag book for our Cessna 206 with the big turbocharged Lycoming in it, out mag died and I could not find the parts list to order new points......guess what it was in the Mechanics Toolbox........guys check out the software. You can download it and check it out in Demo mode. I believe it is well worth the money. 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