---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/22/07: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Re: Great software (David Downey) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: 601 XL (DaveG601XL) 3. 06:58 AM - Re: 601 XL (LarryMcFarland) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: 601 XL (GLENN JOHNSON) 5. 07:41 AM - Re: 601 XL (steve) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: Dynon system (japhillipsga@aol.com) 7. 09:27 AM - Re: Great software (Debo Cox) 8. 10:00 AM - Re: Great software (David Mikesell) 9. 10:22 AM - Re: 601 XL (Jim Hoak) 10. 10:30 AM - 701 Rear Access Panel (Keith Ashcraft) 11. 10:56 AM - Re: Dynon system (Craig Payne) 12. 11:31 AM - Wing dent repair? (Dirk Slabbert) 13. 12:01 PM - Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Frank Derfler) 14. 12:02 PM - wing dent (Zed Smith) 15. 12:26 PM - Re: Great software (David Downey) 16. 12:30 PM - Re: 601 XL (DaveG601XL) 17. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL (steve) 18. 12:55 PM - Re: Wing dent repair? (steve) 19. 12:56 PM - Re: Wing dent repair? (Paul Mulwitz) 20. 01:08 PM - Re: Dynon system (Dan Lykowski) 21. 01:17 PM - Re: Dynon system (japhillipsga@aol.com) 22. 02:06 PM - Re: Dynon system (george may) 23. 02:06 PM - Re: Dynon system (george may) 24. 02:10 PM - Re: Zenith-List : 0-235 fuel burn rate () 25. 03:26 PM - Re: 601 HD power VS speed (eedetail) 26. 04:05 PM - CH 701 Cruise (Jim Burt) 27. 04:51 PM - Re: 701 Rear Access Panel (George Race) 28. 05:01 PM - Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (Craig Payne) 29. 06:22 PM - Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject (Dave Thompson) 30. 06:54 PM - Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject (Jaybannist@cs.com) 31. 08:12 PM - 601XL Fuel System Ponderings (lwhitlow) 32. 10:31 PM - 701 propellers (SockPuppet61) 33. 11:25 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:36 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software I agree - I am amazed at the content!=0A =0ADave Downey=0A Harleysville (S E) PA=0A 100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dav id Mikesell =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASen t: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:30:38 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Great softw are=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AOk, here is some pretty good software for t he =0Aairplane mechanic or even the airplane hobbyist.=0A=0AIt was $22 and I downloaded or you can get =0Athe cd. It is called the Mechanics toolbox @ http://www.mechanicsupport.com/TellMeMore1.html and =0Aafter being a mech anic for my entire life, I find this a great single resource =0Afor anythin g. I have been playing with it for a week and still amazed at all the =0Ath ings I find in it. Example Fasternes listed by part number, type with their =0Astrengths broken down by shear, tension, wear, vibrations.......tons of info. I =0Awas looking for my Bendix mag book for our Cessna 206 with the big turbocharged =0ALycoming in it, out mag died and I could not find the p arts list to order new =0Apoints......guess what it was in the Mechanics To olbox........guys check out the =0Asoftware. You can download it and check it out in Demo mode. I believe it is =0Awell worth the money.=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0ADavid Mikesell=0A230 Theresa Drive, =0A#6=0ACloverdale, CA 95425=0A20 =======================0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You Yah ttp://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL From: "DaveG601XL" The barrel end with the a notch going around it indicates the side with left hand threads. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141070#141070 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Steve, It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask them and you'll resolve this thing faster. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive steve wrote: > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with > the trun buckles. > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? > > Steve # 55 > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 AM PST US From: GLENN JOHNSON Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL HI STEVE THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT BOTH W ILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME. GLENN > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500> From: larry@macsmachine.com> To: z enith-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL> > --> Zenith-Li st message posted by: LarryMcFarland > > Steve,> It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask > the m and you'll> resolve this thing faster.> > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.m acsmachine.com> do not archive> > steve wrote:> > I m installing the contro l cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with > > the trun buckles.> > Do t he barrells have a right and left hand thread ?> > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads.> > Am I wrong or did Zenit =========> > > _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:27 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Thanks to you all for the response. I had the feeling I was right. I ve always had "fun" with turn buckles. Especially the safety wiring ..... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: GLENN JOHNSON To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL HI STEVE THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT BOTH WILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME. GLENN > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500 > From: larry@macsmachine.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL > > > Steve, > It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask > them and you'll > resolve this thing faster. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > steve wrote: > > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with > > the trun buckles. > > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? > > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. > > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? > > > > Steve # 55 > > * > > > > > > * >= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Boo! Scare away wormecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn ews' target='_new'>Try now! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system From: japhillipsga@aol.com George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ?? How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ?? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs? do not archive -----Original Message----- From: george may Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pm Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders Larry-- ? I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel info.? I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end.? I also have the fuel flow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it.? I tend to use it more than the guages.? If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check ? Good luck George May 601XL 912s 163 hours From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system?? How accurate have you found them??? I want to get the senders bent up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them.? ? Thanks for the info! ? Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair See w arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:19 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software Hi David, Thanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there - very useful. Thanks again for the referral. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:58 AM PST US From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software Oh it was my pleasure to let you guys know what is out there. I have probably 15 different catalogs, 10 to 20 different reference manuals......now there is more information....really useful information that I can use every day in this program. It is definitely the best use of $22 I can think of. Heck my mechanics handbook from Aircraft spruce cost this much and has less than a tenth of the information. Sorry guess I am just rambling on. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Debo Cox To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software Hi David, Thanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there - very useful. Thanks again for the referral. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:41 AM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL Steve, The end of the turnbarrel with the left hand thread will have a small groove around it. Obvoiusly, you will need left hand threaded forks or eyes to screw into the left hand thread end of the barrel. Jim Hoak ----- Original Message ----- From: GLENN JOHNSON To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL HI STEVE THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT BOTH WILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME. GLENN > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500 > From: larry@macsmachine.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL > > > Steve, > It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask > them and you'll > resolve this thing faster. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com > do not archive > > steve wrote: > > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with > > the trun buckles. > > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? > > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. > > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? > > > > Steve # 55 > > * > > > > > > * >= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Boo! Scare away wormecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn ews' target='_new'>Try now! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:02 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Rear Access Panel CH701 builders, How have some of you added/modified the extra rear fuselage access panel? Where at? How big? etc... Pictures and links would be appreciated. Thanks, Keith CH701 -- 50% of rear fuselage N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ******************************************************************* ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:28 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system I've attached a picture showing the relative sizes of all the popular EFIS units: AFS, Dynon, GRT, MGL, BMA and Garmin. What is missing is the coming MGL Stratomaster Voyager which is about the size of the Garmin 600: about 10 by 7 inches. The image is from the "general" folder in the photos section of the Stratomaster's user group on Yahoo but the original was posted by Rick Mellor on the www.vansairforce. net site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stratomaster_users_group/ Here are links to each of the manufactures: AFS: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/ Dynon: http://www.dynonavionics.com/ GRT: http://www.grtavionics.com/ MGL: http://stratomaster.com/ and http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ BMA: http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/ Garmin: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=153 -- Craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:58 AM PST US From: "Dirk Slabbert" Subject: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair? 'Mornin wing crafters! The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the spar, size of a dinner plate! Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think. Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out? Many thanks, Dirk Piketberg SA ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:59 PM PST US From: "Frank Derfler" Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday George asked if I'm happy with the Dynon, upgrades, and support. George, I'm very happy with the Dynon. Personally, I have a problem with the angle of attack indicator (see my Blog below for a movie) and can not recommend the AoA option, but otherwise it is superb. The online support is excellent. I have received responses to a question within an hour even on a weekend. They are open with their problems and solutions. Not only are the software upgrades free, they are easy. Bill asked why my software upgrade on the D-180 took so long. Bill, some of us are silly enough to want to backup the old software load just in case. That *Backup* takes forever, I have a feeling there is a mismatch between the block read and block transmission size going from the Dynon RAM thru the Dynon serial port and on through the laptop Serial-to-USB converter we were using. Blame it on the laptop converter. Yes, the upload of the new software is speedy and painless.. as long as you don't interrupt it in any way. (For Bill and others... the Dynon D-180 that I have (one year old) uses a serial RS-232 port. You can still find those serial ports on desktop computers, but they are rare on new laptops. So, you load a USB to serial converter (made in China by companies with wierd names that include Moon and Start or similar objects) into your laptop, cross your fingers, and hope you got all the cable connections right. Or, you just go out onto eBay and buy an old laptop with a serial port! (recommended!) ) Or, you bring a desktop PC to the plane or take the Dynon to the desktop. etc. etc. AMD went so far as to install a serial to USB converter into the airplane. I can get at the Dynon software port from the front panel USB plug (or is it a jack?.. who knows with USB!). I recommend bringing out either the serial connection or a USB connection to the panel! -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:22 PM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: wing dent Dirk, Try dry ice. Once had a C-150 with hail damage; dry ice shrunk the dents back out to nearly flat with rest of skin. Like stretching, shrinking need to be done in small increments. You could hit it with a CO2 fire extinguisher...that'll cool it, but might do the whole wing. Regards, Zed do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:41 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software I also immediately bought it and downloaded it (be warned, his end is slow - about 90 kb/sec). greta stuff.=0A=0AYou will have to install it to a sing le fixed PC with access to get the updates (software uses registry to allow updates) but then you can copy the folder onto a CD or thumb drive and car ry it with you with full functionality! Thanks for the tip Dave.=0A =0ADav e Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Debo Cox =0ATo: zenith-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:26:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ze nith-List: Great software=0A=0A=0AHi David,=0A =0AThanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there - very useful. Thanks again for the referral.=0A =0ADebo Cox=0ANags Head, NC=0AScratchbuilt XL/Co =======================0A=0A___ o.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL From: "DaveG601XL" Steve, Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where each barrel had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in. This meant all the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come as separate pieces? Just wondering. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:44 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL All turn buckles were apart in the finish kit.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaveG601XL" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL > > Steve, > > Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where > each barrel had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in. > This meant all the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come > as separate pieces? Just wondering. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail and wings completed, > fueslage almost done, engine next. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:47 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair? I have used "dry ice" and shrunk the aluminum on my pontoon boat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dirk Slabbert To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair? 'Mornin wing crafters! The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the spar, size of a dinner plate! Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think. Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out? Many thanks, Dirk Piketberg SA ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:32 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair? Hi Dirk Many years ago, I heard that dry ice (frozen CO2) might shrink such dents. It might not work but probably won't cause any harm. Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 11:30 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote: >'Mornin wing crafters! >The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind >the spar, size of a dinner plate! >Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think. >Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out? >Many thanks, >Dirk >Piketberg SA >ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick) > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:25 PM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill,=0A The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS a nd engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Scr een has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's seats. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage conv erter is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation g uide is available on our website and should answer your other questions.=0A =0AHope this helps!=0A=0ADan Lykowski=0ADynon Avionics=0A601xl Corvair - Wo rking on Wings=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "japhillipsga@aol.c om" =0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system =0A=0A =0AGeorge, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm buildi ng and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ? How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the R V-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate wit h capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I 'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a syste m that I can't use. I might even retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to ke ep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601 XL-3300 120 hrs =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0A=0AFrom: george may =0A=0ATo: zenith-list@matronic s.com=0A=0ASent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pm=0A=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: Dy non system with XL senders=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A#AOLMsgPart_2_5c40fac0-2365- 46de-84f8-674d5962feb0 .hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#AOLMsgPart_2_5 c40fac0-2365-46de-84f8-674d5962feb0 body.hmmessage{FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMI LY:Tahoma;}=0ALarry--=0A=0A I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel info. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end. I a lso have the fuel flow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I t end to use it more than the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cro ss check=0A=0A =0A=0AGood luck=0A=0AGeorge May=0A=0A601XL 912s 163 hours=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: LHusky@aol.com=0A=0ADate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400=0A=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders =0A=0ATo: ze nith-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI am wondering how the senders use d in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system? How accurate have you f ound them? I want to get the senders bent up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them. =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AThan ks for the info!=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ALarry Husky =0A=0A=0A=0A601XL / Co rvair=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASee w =0A=0Aarget=_blank>http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List=0Ap://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0APeek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AEmail and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL ==========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lykowski Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pm Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill, ??? The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's seats. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage converter is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guide is available on our website and should answer your other questions. Hope this helps! Dan Lykowski Dynon Avionics 601xl Corvair - Working on Wings ----- Original Message ---- From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ?? How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ?? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs? do not archive -----Original Message----- From: george may Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pm Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders Larry-- ? I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel info.? I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end.? I also have the fuel flow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it.? I tend to use it more than the guages.? If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check ? Good luck George May 601XL 912s 163 hours From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system?? How accurate have you found them??? I want to get the senders bent up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them.? ? Thanks for the info! ? Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair See w arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! http://www.matronics.com/Navigatornk" ========= ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:54 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill-- I just got your request for info and see that Dan covered most of your te chnical questions. In addition let me explain that I'm using the D100 for my EFIS and the D180 for engine instruments and EFIS backup, so the D180 is in front of the copilot seat. Absolutely no problem reading anything on t he screen fron the pilot side. I belive the breaker is 3 amp. Both instruments are great instruments and I'm really glad I chose them. George May 601XL 912s do not archive n, 22 Oct 2007 16:15:57 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill do not archive-----Original Message-----From: Dan Lykowski To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pmSubje ct: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill, The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's sea ts. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage convert er is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guid e is available on our website and should answer your other questions.Hope t his helps!Dan LykowskiDynon Avionics601xl Corvair - Working on Wings ----- Original Message ----From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AMSu bject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ? How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when se ated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ? What amp break er is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fi t my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs do not archive-----Origin al Message-----From: george may To: zenith-list@matro nics.comSent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pmSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon syste m with XL senders Larry-- I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the f uel info. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel fl ow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more t han the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check Good luckGe orge May601XL 912s 163 hours From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list@matronics.com I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th em. Thanks for the info! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair See w arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigatornk" ========= _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:54 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill-- I just got your request for info and see that Dan covered most of your te chnical questions. In addition let me explain that I'm using the D100 for my EFIS and the D180 for engine instruments and EFIS backup, so the D180 is in front of the copilot seat. Absolutely no problem reading anything on t he screen fron the pilot side. I belive the breaker is 3 amp. Both instruments are great instruments and I'm really glad I chose them. George May 601XL 912s do not archive n, 22 Oct 2007 16:15:57 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill do not archive-----Original Message-----From: Dan Lykowski To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pmSubje ct: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system Bill, The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's sea ts. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage convert er is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guid e is available on our website and should answer your other questions.Hope t his helps!Dan LykowskiDynon Avionics601xl Corvair - Working on Wings ----- Original Message ----From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AMSu bject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ? How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when se ated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ? What amp break er is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fi t my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs do not archive-----Origin al Message-----From: george may To: zenith-list@matro nics.comSent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pmSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon syste m with XL senders Larry-- I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the f uel info. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel fl ow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more t han the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check Good luckGe orge May601XL 912s 163 hours From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list@matronics.com I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th em. Thanks for the info! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair See w arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em! Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigatornk" ========= _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Zenith-List : 0-235 fuel burn rate From: Hopefully anyone building their own airplane is smart enough to do their own research rather than base their decisions on a lot of slanted opinions expressed on this list, but I have to call bullsh*t on this one. I have flown behind an 0-300 in my C-172 for several hundred hours and burn 7.5 gph in 75% power cruise. Flight training in a C-152 we planned for 6 gph but usually burned 5 - 5.5 gph, due to reduced power for maneuvering. At 75% cruise you can multiply the rated horsepower of your engine by .5 and be within +/- 5%. Unless you leave that red mixture knob mashed against the firewall all the time, you will burn the same amount of fuel for the HP developed regardless of what engine you use. Fuel injection and electronic ignitions can improve on that 10 - 15% at best. Unless of course you are using one of those special 100 mpg carburetors. Craig S. N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235, wiring in progress All- WW recommends the use of 100LL in his conversions. Therefore, the biggest savings isn't in the weight of the engine, but the weight of the fuel you have to drag around. I used to flight plan at 8gph when I was part owner of a C-152/O235. All (And recurring) burn data on a WW conversion is in the mid 5's. Figure 6 and you're still 25% less burn than an O-200/235. Stock tanks for an XL are 30 gal @ 6lbs per gal. Around 50lbs of built in dead weight for the O-235. Figure a fraction less for the O-200. ----------------------------------------- ************************************************** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. ************************************************** ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 HD power VS speed From: "eedetail" 80 HP Rotax 912UL. 105 mph TAS at about 4900 rpm, 4.7 gph (I figure 5gph) Note that factory says 75% power at 8000 feet is 5800 rpm, full throttle. Ivo inflight adjustable 3 blade prop, I will be adding a MAP gage, so more experimentation is in order. TimE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141189#141189 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:31 PM PST US From: Jim Burt Subject: Zenith-List: CH 701 Cruise Could the CH 701 drivers on this forum give me some idea of cruise speed. I'm thinking (dreaming) of an occasional cross country and would like to get some planning numbers. Also whether equipped with 912 / 912S, or 2200 / 3300 Jabiru. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:20 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: RE: 701 Rear Access Panel Keith: Am building the 701 from kit. Today I cut the rear access panel into the bottom of the fuselage. Has been planned for some time, finally getting to it as I wanted to run my rudder light and trim tab wires down through a tube to the front of the fuselage. Before cutting the hole I did call Roger at Zenith this morning. Wanted to made absolutely sure that the removing of the bottom skin would not weaken the fuselage at that point. The only recommendation he made was to make sure and surround the opening with "L" or "Z" angle to put back some support for the area. I actually cut and fitted some "U" channel that was 3/4 X 3/4 and it worked out very nice. I am fitting the opening with a cover plate that will be attached by 10 screws and nut plates. For strength I am doing an inverted install of the cover plate, that is the "U" channel outlines the opening in the skin. The cover plate will actually be fastened beyond the "U" channel in all directions, and fit between the longerons that run down the corner of the fuselage. Hope that makes sense. Should make a very neat and finished looking job when it is done. Tomorrow I am going to drill and install the nut plates and hopefully then rivet all the pieces into place. Incidentally, I am going to use a "flat" surface for setting the rivets in the support brackets as they will be under the cover plate and I though the normal "dome would probably be just a bit to high. I will be doing pictures probably tomorrow and would be happy to send some along for you to see if you wish. Take care, George ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:41 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS Well I called Garmin about this and got a different story. About two and half years ago Garmin started using a new display. The upgrade to the new display is actually a swap of the whole product and the price is $250. I believe they can tell whether your unit has the old or new display based on the serial number. The support guy characterized the new display as "better" than the old. If anyone actually gets some type of upgrade for $50 I'd love to hear about it. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS Members, This message is to advise all of you who are using the Garmin Color 296 GPS and having trouble reading the screen because it is not light enough to compete with the sun. I have one of these units and trying to read it in bright sun light under a bubble or tear drop canopy is almost impossible. I just got off the phone with Garmin Electronics and there is a modification available for the 296 for a fee of $50.00. They will modify the unit to match the newer GPS units in light intensity so that they are more easily read. For those of you who are interested, here is the address to send your unit to for this modification. Garmin International 1200 East 151 Street Door 1, Olathe, Kansas, 66062 Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:09 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject Guys, As an IT professional let me make some suggestions: - BACKUP YOUR COMPUTERS!!! - If you have a CD and or DVD burner, most of them come with backup software. If you don't have one, get one. You can get one for under $100.00 and well worth it. - I always keep ALL my documents in the "My Documents" folder. I burn it on a CD every month and date the disk. - Keep any programs that you load. If a hard disk fails, you can re-load the software and copy your "My Documents" back and you have recovered the failure. Hint; Do a search for "Favorites" and copy it to "My Documents before you back it up. Upon restore, copy it back to where it came from and you won't loose all your favorite websites. I hope none of you experience a hard failure. However, BE PREPAIRED! Dave Thompson Dave.thompson@verizon.net Do not archive P.S. If any of you want additional information, feel free to write me off line. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:59 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject Another hint: I use my laptop as backup for my desktop and vise versa. I keep them up to date DAILY. I learned this the hard way. My desktop was stolen during a burglary at my office while I was away on business. I had my laptop with me, which saved my bacon (and my business). I've had a hard drive crash since then and the laptop came through again. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Dave Thompson" wrote: >Guys, > > > >As an IT professional let me make some suggestions: > > > >- BACKUP YOUR COMPUTERS!!! > > > >- If you have a CD and or DVD burner, most of them come with backup >software. If you don't have one, get one. You can get one for under $100.00 >and well worth it. > > > >- I always keep ALL my documents in the "My Documents" folder. I burn it on >a CD every month and date the disk. > > > >- Keep any programs that you load. If a hard disk fails, you can re-load the >software and copy your "My Documents" back and you have recovered the >failure. > > > >Hint; > > > >Do a search for "Favorites" and copy it to "My Documents before you back it >up. Upon restore, copy it back to where it came from and you won't loose all >your favorite websites. > > > >I hope none of you experience a hard failure. However, BE PREPAIRED! > > > >Dave Thompson > >Dave.thompson@verizon.net > >Do not archive > > > >P.S. If any of you want additional information, feel free to write me off >line. > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings From: "lwhitlow" Ok , I've got the all of the tail, control surfaces, flap and wings built, and I'm currently working on the aft fuselage. I always like to think about things down the road and this one has me second guessing myself. I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a Facet fuel pump in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the pump and the fuel lines via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R is possible without opening up the LE but it would not be a lot of fun. A few issues have popped to mind 1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the fuel lines (rubber from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4 years old. Should I consider something else??? Maybe Braided Steel like on a higher performance auto engine??? I should note I have not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access would be easy right now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps before I rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the Facet pumps. 2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the cabin just after the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank. Makes for easy inspection and replacement as necessary. Good Idea??? Bad Idea??? 3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the kit??? How long does it last in service???? I an planning to use metal lines in the cabin, so the only rubber lines are in the wing right now. 4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of the cabin. I've seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall with only the QD valve exposed. Thoughts???? Thats enough for now But my next question involves eliminating all steam gauges and only installing a Dynon EMS and EFIS but thats a whole 'nother bag of worms [Shocked] Thanks Larry Whitlow 601XL in Indiana Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141237#141237 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 propellers From: "SockPuppet61" There's a propeller manufacturer that does an in-flight adjustable propeller. I'm not sure if it's electric or what -- it's not the hydraulic kind requiring oil from the engine. Maybe more than one manufacturer has such propellers. Anyone have experience with them? Positive? Negative? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141246#141246 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:58 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings 1. The Facet pumps need to be connected with some kind of flexible line due to vibration issues. The same is true of the connection between the firewall and engine. The neoprene lines will eventually have to be replaced, so make sure they are accessible. Braided steel lines are probably overkill for use inside the wings. Braided steel may help protect the lines from the heat in the engine compartment, but so will putting fire-sleeve over the rubber lines for a lot less money. 2. I would put the filter downstream from the gascolator so any water in the lines will end up in the gascolator bowl instead of the filter. Putting the filters downstream from the pumps is a good idea, it will reduce the likelihood of vapor lock. 4. the fuel lines should slope downhill all the way to the gascolator and then uphill to the engine. That way any water in the lines will naturally tend to drain into the bowl and not get trapped in the lines. As long as the gascolator is at the lowest point in the fuel system, you should be OK. > > I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a > Facet fuel pump in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the > pump and the fuel lines via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R > is possible without opening up the LE but it would not be a lot of > fun. A few issues have popped to mind > > 1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the > fuel lines (rubber from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4 > years old. Should I consider something else??? Maybe Braided Steel > like on a higher performance auto engine??? I should note I have > not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access would be easy right > now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps before I > rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the > Facet pumps. > > 2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the > cabin just after the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank. > Makes for easy inspection and replacement as necessary. Good > Idea??? Bad Idea??? > > 3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the > kit??? How long does it last in service???? I an planning to use > metal lines in the cabin, so the only rubber lines are in the wing > right now. > > 4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of > the cabin. I've seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall > with only the QD valve exposed. Thoughts???? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.