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Thu 10/25/07


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:35 AM - Re: Rib Form measurement (Jugle)
     2. 05:24 AM - Re: Firewall Insulation (Bob Unternaehrer)
     3. 06:00 AM - Re: Elevator bias spring (countzero)
     4. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Elevator bias spring (Dave Johnson)
     5. 06:46 AM - Re: 601HD new prop time (John M. Goodings)
     6. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Rib Form measurement (Ron Lalonde)
     7. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: 601HD new prop time (Clive Richards)
     8. 01:25 PM - Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (Tim Juhl)
     9. 03:33 PM - Re: 601HD new prop time (Aaron Gustafson)
    10. 04:31 PM - Re: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue (Ron Ellis)
    11. 06:14 PM - 427JV Flying update (Juan Vega)
    12. 06:28 PM - Where to buy A6 Rivets...? (PatrickW)
    13. 06:45 PM - Re: 427JV Flying update (Edward Moody II)
    14. 09:16 PM - Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...? (Bill Steer)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:35:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
    From: "Jugle" <glenn@eastcoastit.net>
    Hi Ron, Have a look at 6-W-3. If you look at the spar details you will see that the spar cap is 1/4" material, approx 6-7mm. Then the doubler which is 0.032". The cutout needs to clear the doubler and the spar cap, hence the 10mm. So I have used the 10mm cutout in my cutting blocks. In fact what I have done is left that section in the cutting block and drilled the relief hole only, so I can use the cutting block to drill the hole through the metal blank in the correct position, then trim the cutouts later. Hope this is not too ambiguous. Regards, Glenn -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141655#141655


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    Time: 05:24:54 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom@mcmsys.com>
    Subject: Re: Firewall Insulation
    Inside is better for me also. Most of the time I didn't cut out for bolted items, but it will be a bear to replace someday. On the motor side you've got oil, fuel and heat to deal with. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Martin To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Firewall Insulation I put insulation on the cabin side of the firewall. There's less junk to cut out for and it can't soak up any oil and such in case of a leak. I stuck it to the firewall with spray-on 3M adhesive and sealed the seams with aluminum tape. I left the engine side bare galvanized but put steel baffles around any penetrations and sealed them with Hi-Temp RTV. On Oct 24, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: I have Wick's firewall insulation, the kind with quilted aluminum foil on one side and specular mylar on the other, with ~.5" fiberglass insulation between. I plan to put it on the engine side of the firewall. Of course, it will have to be cut and fitted around all that junk on the firewall. 1) What is the best way to stick it to the firewall? Hi-temp RTV silicone? Pliobond? Hi-temp two-sided tape? Wick's recommends weatherstrip adhesive. 2) What should be used to seal the seams? 3) What to do at the nose gear strut? Cover it with a barrel shaped piece? Ignore it? Advice appreciated. Flame - NOT. :>D -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive.


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    Time: 06:00:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Elevator bias spring
    From: "countzero" <robyboy@HOTMAIL.COM>
    Dave, the mod drawing shows an extension spring labeled with a CZAW part number, does the CZAW plans include any details or spec for the spring? I'm working on the tail now and I will need to incorporate this mod but I can't find the parts, does Zenair Europe stock them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141676#141676


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    Time: 06:29:40 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Johnson" <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Elevator bias spring
    I've been fighting this one for some time now - I think I am getting somewhere at last! I finally contacted Lawrence Lewis (long 'phone call!!) who suggested I phone CZAW direct and ask to speak to Monika. Her reaction was immediate "yes, you should ahve been supplied with the kit, I will arrange for it to be sent out to you at no cost". I have just this minute received an E-mail from her to say it is in the paint shop and will be sent out next week. If you are building from plans, I will be able to give more information on the spring when I get it. So if you are building from a kit, I suggest you contact her. Monika's E-mail is m.polaskova@czaw.cz It may be best to phone her first, the No. is +420-572543456 Since this is only of UK interest and probably rather boring to our US friends, feel free to contact me off-list on david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "countzero" <robyboy@HOTMAIL.COM> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Elevator bias spring > > Dave, the mod drawing shows an extension spring labeled with a CZAW part > number, does the CZAW plans include any details or spec for the spring? > I'm working on the tail now and I will need to incorporate this mod but I > can't find the parts, does Zenair Europe stock them. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141676#141676 > > >


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    Time: 06:46:12 AM PST US
    From: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
    Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
    To my mind, a major factor in choosing a new prop is ground clearance. We have a Rotax 912S with a 68" GSC prop which we like very much. This gives us at most 6" of clearance from prop to ground. I wouldn't want to go into a grass strip with less clearance than that. We cracked a blade tip taxiing in on grass from the paved runway 30/12 at Orillia/Lake St. John. Since it only cracked one tip, it was probably a stone sucked up. But it certainly focussed our attention on ground clearance! John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Ottawa/Toronto.


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    Time: 06:53:25 AM PST US
    From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
    Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
    Thanks for the reply Glenn. Was kind of thinking that the gap did not need to be a wide as it was. Mark Townsend (CanZac Aviation) also explained this to me. The idea you had for your cutting blocks is a good one! Thanks again for the reply Ron Ron,> > Have a look at 6-W-3. If you look at the spar details you will see that the spar cap is 1/4" material, approx 6-7mm. Then the doubler which is 0.032". The cutout needs to clear the doubler and the spar cap, hence the 10mm.> > So I have used the 10mm cutout in my cutting blocks. In fact what I have done is left that section in the cutting block and drilled the relie f hole only, so I can use the cutting block to drill the hole through the m etal blank in the correct position, then trim the cutouts later.> > Hope th is is not too ambiguous.> > Regards, Glenn> > --------> Glenn Andressen> 60 1XL- just started.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.m =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger


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    Time: 10:11:57 AM PST US
    From: "Clive Richards" <s.c.richards@homecall.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
    I agree you should not use longer than 68 inch we have lost 1/8 inch of Rays wooden prop while taxing & have a 66 inch 3 blade Warp drive on order Ray Lasniers G CBDG 601HD Continental 0-200 175 Hrs Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD new prop time > > To my mind, a major factor in choosing a new prop is ground clearance. We > have a Rotax 912S with a 68" GSC prop which we like very much. This gives > us at most 6" of clearance from prop to ground. I wouldn't want to go > into a grass strip with less clearance than that. We cracked a blade tip > taxiing in on grass from the paved runway 30/12 at Orillia/Lake St. John. > Since it only cracked one tip, it was probably a stone sucked up. But it > certainly focussed our attention on ground clearance! > > John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Ottawa/Toronto. > > >


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    Time: 01:25:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
    From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
    OK, I did some checking around on this one too. I talked to Garmin and this is what I learned. When the 396 came out Garmin switched to a new screen which is now used in the 296, 396 and 496 models. The new screen is brighter and can be replaced for a flat rate of $250. You must contact Garmin (800-800-1020) and get a RMA# before returning the unit for service. Turnaround is typically 5-10 business days. How do you know if your 296 has the new or old screen? If you bought yours before the 396 came out you have the old screen. The 396 came out around summer 2005. Is the improvement that great? Read this excerpt from a review of the 396 in Plane and Pilot magazine..... "Like the earlier GPSMAP 296 (see Tech Talk: Garmin GPSmap 296, P&P, September 2004), the GPSMAP 396 offers a vivid, color, moving-map display, but unlike the earlier model, the new system is far more resistant to wash out in bright light. Its a full 70% brighter than the screen used on the previous model. Thats a major improvement as, despite the GPSMAP 296s other talents, the moving-map display can become difficult to read in bright-light situations. The GPSMAP 396s 480x320 display is clearly visible in virtually any light without losing map detail. Garmin says backlighting has been improved, and the new screen reduces reflectivity, but the bottom line is a more vivid, easier-reading display." $250 might be a good investment..... Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141794#141794


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    Time: 03:33:08 PM PST US
    From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
    Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
    For anyone interested, I have a never flown IVO MEDIUM 3 blade 72" LEFTHAND prop for sale with spinner. Cleaning out basement, $500 takes the works.Contact me offline agustafson@chartermi.net Aaron Gustafson Flying 601HD 0-200


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    Time: 04:31:03 PM PST US
    From: Ron Ellis <rge177@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue
    John, I had the same problem. I did grease mine, and that helped a little. The heavy wire inside the dual throttle cable housings, tends to want to curl in one direction, and it helps to rotate the cable inside the housing so that it curls the way you need it to deflect. I ended up extending the center leg on the bellcrank about an inch, and mounted a bracket to hold the center cable adjuster on the front of the shelf. Now the dual throttle handles only have to travel about 2", and this gives me the needed 2 1/2" travel at the carby and eliminated the rough spot in my throttle. I still have just a little more friction than I would like (because of the drag of the co-pilot throttle cable), but I think it will be acceptable. Be sure and check out Lance Gingell's site to see how he mounted his. Ron >I just got my dual throttle setup installed per the >>instructions and have an issue with the roughness >in throttle movement >when the throttles are firewalled. The throttle >cable has to bend when >its firewalled as the arms on the bar mounted on the >firewall shelf > tilt >down in this position and this causes alot of >stiffness and roughness >when pushing the throttles that far in. I havent >hooked up the middle >cable to the carby yet so this friction is just from >the two throttle >cables. >Any suggestions for improving the movement here ? >Can I just grease the cables ? >Thanks, >John Davis >Burnsville, NC >601XL - Jab 3300 __________________________________________________


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    Time: 06:14:34 PM PST US
    From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
    Subject: 427JV Flying update
    Allright People! here is the latest on 427JV"rivet". at 2950 rpm on my Jab 3300 we are getting at 2000 ft, 295 to 345 on CHTs, EGTs read 1290 to 1320 at 2950rpm. Speed at 2950 is 130 mph. at 3200 it picks up to 145 mph. and EGTs and CHTs go down further. May change the needles on the bings, but hard pressed to do it based on the EMS numbers. FUN plane to fly!! At take off you punch to full throttle and at 70mph pegged I 1400FPM climb! that is on 20 gallons and 220 lb pilot, 20lbs luggage. In decent you trim for 70 mph on final an shy squeeks in smooooooth! Juan Vega 427JV


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    Time: 06:28:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
    From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
    I have some holes (intended for A5 rivets) that are larger than they should be. Usual practice is to "go up to the next sized rivet". I see A4 and A5 rivets available everywhere. But no A6's. Anybody know where I can get good quality A6 rivets...? Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141863#141863


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    Time: 06:45:00 PM PST US
    From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: 427JV Flying update
    Sounds llike a recipe for lots of fun Juan. May there be no end to it. Viva Rivet the Wonder Plane. Dred Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Vega To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 427JV Flying update <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> Allright People! here is the latest on 427JV"rivet". at 2950 rpm on my Jab 3300 we are getting at 2000 ft, 295 to 345 on CHTs, EGTs read 1290 to 1320 at 2950rpm. Speed at 2950 is 130 mph. at 3200 it picks up to 145 mph. and EGTs and CHTs go down further. May change the needles on the bings, but hard pressed to do it based on the EMS numbers. FUN plane to fly!! At take off you punch to full throttle and at 70mph pegged I 1400FPM climb! that is on 20 gallons and 220 lb pilot, 20lbs luggage. In decent you trim for 70 mph on final an shy squeeks in smooooooth! Juan Vega 427JV


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    Time: 09:16:24 PM PST US
    From: Bill Steer <steerr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
    How many do you need? I have some around here somewhere, I think. They're yours if I can find them. Bill PatrickW wrote: > > I have some holes (intended for A5 rivets) that are larger than they should be. > > Usual practice is to "go up to the next sized rivet". > > I see A4 and A5 rivets available everywhere. But no A6's. > > Anybody know where I can get good quality A6 rivets...? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > XL/Corvair > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141863#141863 > > >




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