---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/28/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 AM - Re: new 912uls for sale with prop (Graeme Bell) 2. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Larger Brake (William Dominguez) 3. 11:29 AM - Re: Larger Brake (ashontz) 4. 12:21 PM - Re: John Croke (Lumkes, John H) 5. 03:50 PM - CH801 (dj45) 6. 03:51 PM - Re: 601XL - Question Re. Mating Of Elevator To Stabilizer (Piano (Tim Juhl) 7. 03:52 PM - Re: John Croke (Larry Portouw) 8. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: John Croke (Paul Riedlinger) 9. 06:50 PM - Re: CH801 (kmccune) 10. 06:55 PM - lighting minihelic (leinad) 11. 07:07 PM - LLC (Matt & Jo) 12. 07:21 PM - Re: LLC (steve) 13. 07:38 PM - CH801 (dj45) 14. 08:05 PM - Re: LLC (Paul Mulwitz) 15. 08:06 PM - VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks on an HD model (Jeff) 16. 08:55 PM - ZenVair 601 (ZodieRocket) 17. 08:58 PM - Looking for a few parts (LHusky@aol.com) 18. 09:43 PM - Re: Larger Brake (TxDave) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:46 AM PST US From: "Graeme Bell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: new 912uls for sale with prop George Where are you in Australia USA Some idea of location would be goog. Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: SUE MICHAELS To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:24 AM Subject: Zenith-List: new 912uls for sale with prop have an 912uls up for sale that has near everthing you need for the kitfox setup. Only a couple items keeping but you may find through this Kitfox list. I believe the Rotax 912uls was built in Mid 2005 (still checking exact date) new and has never been started. When I bought the complete Kitfox 7 kit there was with very little work completed. Two items not included with the sale are the oil tank and radiator. Included is a complete 912uls, carb heat air intake box, drip pans for carbs, rectifier, electrical component and high performance exhaust system, Rotax engine ring mount, throttle cable with split feeds to each carb, choke cable split feeds and other odd and ends that I may find. Also a new 70" carbon fiber 3 blade warp drive prop with optional 2" prop spacer, aluminum spinner and backing plate and the protractor to adjust blade angles. Sell all for13,500 George ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 21/10/2007 15:09 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:19 AM PST US From: William Dominguez Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Larger Brake I have an 8' wooden bending brake of my own design and like Dave's brake, I couldn't do deep skins. My solution was to add a reinforced steel clamp that I think can also work on Dave's brake. Here is a picture of my brake with the steel clamp: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album10&id=115_1531_IMG_Large I use C clamps on each side (not shown on the picture) of the skin, this limits the length to 7', but enough for skins. Here is another picture of the brake but this time it is bending a skin flange without using the steel clamps, in this one I use C clamps all along the brake: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album06&id=115_1511_IMG_Large I made the aileron and flap middle of the skin bends using the steel clamp and it worked well. For flanges I still use the method shown in the second picture. A clamp like this would not be difficult to adapt to a steel brake like Dave's William Dominguez Zodiac 601 XL Plans Miami Florida Dave's brake looks excellent for any length spar you want. The only problem with that brake is that it won't do a deep skin. Mine will, but it will only do a piece of .040 up to about 6' before it's pushing it. I should draw up and post some plans of my brake. Personally, I thought designing and building a suitable bending brake on the cheap was one of the hardest parts of building a plane. There's actually a lot involved in making what would seem to be a simple bend in aluminum. skyguynca wrote: > I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it > works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane the other day from 2024t3 > .040 10ft long and it did it no problem. I used the 10ft 4x4 angle 1/4in > thick. > > David Mikesell > 230 Theresa Drive, #6 > Cloverdale, CA 95425 > 209-224-4485 > skyguynca@skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > --- -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142213#142213 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Larger Brake From: "ashontz" It's all about machanics. Even though it's a wooden bending brake, with that reinforcing bar, it actually looks like it would work well. [quote="bill_dom(at)yahoo.com"]I have an 8' wooden bending brake of my own design and like Dave's brake, I couldn't do deep skins. My solution was to add a reinforced steel clamp that I think can also work on Dave's brake. Here is a picture of my brake with the steel clamp: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album10&id=115_1531_IMG_Large I use C clamps on each side (not shown on the picture) of the skin, this limits the length to 7', but enough for skins. Here is another picture of the brake but this time it is bending a skin flange without using the steel clamps, in this one I use C clamps all along the brake: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album06&id=115_1511_IMG_Large I made the aileron and flap middle of the skin bends using the steel clamp and it worked well. For flanges I still use the method shown in the second picture. A clamp like this would not be difficult to adapt to a steel brake like Dave's William Dominguez Zodiac 601 XL Plans Miami Florida Dave's brake looks excellent for any length spar you want. The only problem with that brake is that it won't do a deep skin. Mine will, but it will only do a piece of .040 up to about 6' before it's pushing it. I should draw up and post some plans of my brake. Personally, I thought designing and building a suitable bending brake on the cheap was one of the hardest parts of building a plane. There's actually a lot involved in making what would seem to be a simple bend in aluminum. skyguynca wrote: [quote] I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142342#142342 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:16 PM PST US From: "Lumkes, John H" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: John Croke Jon If you only need to move "a little" south, your expertise with Zenith's would make you a welcome neighbor (-:) at Timberhouse Aero Estates, Lafayette, IN (http://www.airnav.com/airport/31IN, www.timberhouseaero.com ) Also, if you (or others) are flying through the area and need a break, you are welcome to stop by. Fun place to live or visit: visitors flying in, Purdue University, low cost of living, low unemployment, and the woods at the airpark have creeks, trails, deer, etc. Best wishes with career and moving, John Recent photos: http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~lumkes/flying/TimberHouse Aero Flight 10_20_2007_01.JPG http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~lumkes/flying/TimberHouse Aero Flight 10_20_2007_14.JPG http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~lumkes/flying/TimberHouse Aero Flight 10_20_2007_32.JPG http://cobweb.ecn.purdue.edu/~lumkes/flying/TimberHouse Aero Flight 10_20_2007_34.JPG (37 pictures total if you change the last two digits manually) From: "Jon Croke" >Keeping my eyes open for a new location to live/fly/work year round.... >maybe south of the Mason/Dixon! Am jealous of those that live on a real >airstrip! (and in year long warm climates!) > >Jon > DO not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:51 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH801 From: "dj45" So close to being done I can almost taste it. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton 95% done paint to go 801, IO360 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142367#142367 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/06_514.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL - Question Re. Mating Of Elevator To Stabilizer (Piano From: "Tim Juhl" To anyone following this thread, I gave Dave bad advice. Once I went out to the shop and looked at the elev / stab I realized that side clamps could not be used in that situation. Dave and I have since communicated about it but as I now recall I used tape strips to hold the hinge in place once the proper location was established. Next time I'll be sure before I open my big mouth and give advice. Tim Do not Archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142368#142368 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: John Croke From: "Larry Portouw" 'ere's a METAR for you from last week. Runway is 12,001 feet long plus two shorter ones. KFHU 232255Z 07011KT 90SM SKC 24/M08 A3030 RMK SLP210 -------- Larry Portouw 601XL Kit (H. Stab) PA-22 N8141C Fort Huachuca, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142369#142369 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:43 PM PST US From: "Paul Riedlinger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: John Croke How about 0NC2 or www.mountainaircc.com if you really want to live on the top! On 10/28/07, Larry Portouw wrote: > > > 'ere's a METAR for you from last week. Runway is 12,001 feet long plus two > shorter ones. > KFHU 232255Z 07011KT 90SM SKC 24/M08 A3030 RMK SLP210 > > -------- > Larry Portouw > 601XL Kit (H. Stab) > PA-22 N8141C > Fort Huachuca, AZ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142369#142369 > > -- Paul Riedlinger cndmovn@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH801 From: "kmccune" Very Cool! Congrats!!!! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142399#142399 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: lighting minihelic From: "leinad" Has anyone got any good ideas for lighting a minihelic as used as an LRI? Dan Dempsey plans building 601XL -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142400#142400 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:03 PM PST US From: "Matt & Jo" Subject: Zenith-List: LLC Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:57 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LLC I wrote to the EAA attorney and the reply was that to date there has been only one law suit on an Experimental. It was on the John Denver EZE crash and the defect was the fuel valve. The EAA said that lawyers dont get enough money if the go after us "little" guys. Its not worth their time... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt & Jo To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LLC Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: CH801 From: "dj45" I almost forgot the working part. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton 95% done paint to go 801, IO360 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142412#142412 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/89_193.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:52 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LLC I'm not a lawyer, but an amateur student of law (as all business men must be). I am not at all worried about lawsuits over product liability with regard to experimental airplanes. The big "EXPERIMENTAL" sign we must have on each plane warns all potential passengers, pilots, and buyers that they are taking a significant risk. The lawyers tend to go after folks who "Sneak up" on potential victims without warning. I suppose the John Denver story is the exception that proves the rule. In his case, apparently, there was so much money involved that it drew in even the most careful sharks. It doesn't seem to matter that in his case it was his first flight in a strange plane he just bought and he starved it of fuel while flying over water (as I remember the reports). Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 07:21 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote: >I wrote to the EAA attorney and the reply was that to date there has >been only one law suit on an Experimental. >It was on the John Denver EZE crash and the defect was the fuel >valve. The EAA said that lawyers dont get enough money if the go >after us "little" guys. Its not worth their time... >SW ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:08 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: Zenith-List: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks on an HD model It is time for me to install and hook up the senders in my Leading Edge tanks on my HD wings now that they are on the plane. Does anyone have a copy of the installation instructions for the VDO float senders from ZAC? I can't seem to find mine. I remember there were some instructions about how to bend the float arm. That is what I'm most interested in. Thanks . Jeff Davidson ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:38 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: ZenVair 601 Just got a notice, for those of you who are interested in installing a William Wynne conversion in your Zodiac 601 Quality Sport Planes in California will be hosting Corvair College 11 on November 9-11 2007 for more information please check out this link HYPERLINK "http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_077.htm"http://www.qualitysp ortplanes.com/qsp-2006_077.htm Thanks Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com 10/27/2007 11:02 AM 10/27/2007 11:02 AM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:57 PM PST US From: LHusky@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Looking for a few parts Is there anyone out there that may have bought a tri-gear kit and decided to go with a tail dragger? I am looking for landing gear components. Main spring gear, front leg, forks, tires, wheels, brakes, or anything that your not using. I just thought I would throw this out to the list before I go and buy this stuff from another source. Thanks, Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Larger Brake From: "TxDave" Excuse me. If you use a little of the gray matter God put between your ears, you can bend ANYTHING you'll need for the 601XL with my brake. "Deep skins"??? I'm guessing that means control surface skins like flaps and ailerons. They are not a problem (see attached photos). Folks...if you have any questions about the free brake plans I have been happily providing for over a year now, just ask me. Don't rely on someone else's assumptions. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142432#142432 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend1_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend2_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend3_103.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skin_161.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.