---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/30/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Painting (Bob Unternaehrer) 2. 06:27 AM - Re: Larger Brake (ashontz) 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: lighting minihelic (Dino Bortolin) 4. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: lighting minihelic (Trainnut01@aol.com) 5. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. (Herb Heaton) 6. 08:56 AM - Piano hinge lube (Tim Juhl) 7. 10:14 AM - Re: Piano hinge lube (Edward Moody II) 8. 12:23 PM - Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (John Davis) 9. 12:51 PM - 601 Tail kit for sale (Michael Hilderbrand) 10. 01:08 PM - Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (wade jones) 11. 01:08 PM - Re: Piano hinge lube (steveadams) 12. 01:45 PM - 801 with LOM (Tracy) 13. 02:17 PM - Re: Looking for a few parts (Phil Maxson) 14. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge lube (Juan Vega) 15. 03:22 PM - Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (ROBERT SCEPPA) 16. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge lube (Art Olechowski) 17. 04:34 PM - Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (wade jones) 18. 04:37 PM - Re: lighting minihelic (leinad) 19. 04:49 PM - Tachometer Problems (Dan) 20. 05:05 PM - Re: Re:801 flaperon deflection (n801bh@netzero.com) 21. 05:07 PM - Re: Stolen Aircraft (n801bh@netzero.com) 22. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: lighting minihelic (GeorgeM) 23. 05:34 PM - Serial to gray code converter () 24. 06:09 PM - Re: Serial to gray code converter (GLENN JOHNSON) 25. 06:11 PM - Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (Southern Reflections) 26. 06:13 PM - Re: Burger and a chat (Wingrider) 27. 06:16 PM - Re: Re:Jabiru Cooling (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 28. 06:49 PM - Re: Re:Jabiru Cooling (sales@steelframe) 29. 08:10 PM - Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off (wade jones) 30. 08:43 PM - Re: Stolen Aircraft (John Marzulli) 31. 10:01 PM - Re: Rotax 912 UL high oil pressure (Edward Micallef) 32. 10:31 PM - Jabiru Cooling (Rosestar) 33. 11:37 PM - Re: Jabiru Cooling (T. Graziano) 34. 11:44 PM - 601XL form blocks joggle and crimp cutouts (Jugle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:49 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting I would continue to use a primer, but switch to self etching primers. Zinc Chromate can be effected by some modern epoxy and catalyzed eurathanes, so use caution. If you don't want to prime use the etches and alodines available. DuPont calls theirs Part A and Part B paint prep I believe, and just follow instructions. I've done Both. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Painting Questions about painting.... My fuselage came with zinc chromate primer and thats not a problem. What I d like to know is this: The wings and tail are bare aluminum. What did you do to paint your aluminum ? In the past I ve use Alodine and then painted. That seemed to work good. However the Auto paint store suggested to continue with zinc chromate. I really would like to keep the weight down and the labor less...... I dont recall if aircraft paint shops "prime before paint ?? Steve ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:59 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Larger Brake From: "ashontz" TxDave wrote: > Hey Andy, > > The top piece of angle (I call it the top plate) is flat against the aluminum. I have pretty large bolts running through my table and a 1x4 board attached under my table for strength. I'm no engineer...so I don't have a technical explanation. It just works, that's all I know. > > Dave As I see it, your brake is excellent for spars for sure. The really difficult part is when you have to have clamp points for the bolts only at the ends of the top plate (like when doing a wide deep skin). No different than my brake when doing a piece like that. You really have to keep that top plate from flexing. As far as the bottom plate (the bender), your brake has an advanage there in that it's supported along the entire length where as mine is designed like Larry's brake, pivots on the ends. That being the case I need a tensioner on the bottom as well as the top, but it works well. I'm just wondering about the mechanics of the top plate on yours and why it manages to stay put even though for a wide deep skin it's only bolts at the ends with a good 7 foot stretch between clamp points. In addition to my tensioner bars I've considered going back and adding another welded plate inside of the upside down V as additional support, same with the bending tongue. It works for now, but as I use it I see better ways to design it. A welded plate would add a lot more reinforcing to keep the angles from warping as pressure is applied. A tube (triangular tube in this case) is a lot stronger than an angle. If you put a micrometer on mine when under force you'd probably see the dimension between the two angle legs decrease in the middle by a millimeter or two. Pretty amazing that even steel will flex that much when bending a piece of aluminum, but the process of making a proper bend in aluminum is deceptively more complicated. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142713#142713 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 AM PST US From: "Dino Bortolin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lighting minihelic Dan, The case does connect directly to one of the pressure ports. The black ring around the outer edge of the face is painted on. If you look at it from the side, you can see that clear plastic lies below the thin black layer. I was thinking to make a small hole in the flange of the case, radially outboard as far as possible, to mount a small LED which would shine into the back side of the clear layer. I need to take the face off my gauge again to make sure that it wouldn't affect the seal between the face and case. Dino Bortolin On 10/29/07, leinad wrote: > > > George, > You're idea sounds good. In fact I thought of doing that but I'm afraid > that the instrument case may be a pressure vessel of sorts, and was afraid > to compromise the integrity of the case. I'd love to hear from someone that > has actually used this method on a Dwyer Minihelic without ill effect. > Dan > > [quote="georgerace"]Hi Dan: > > You can do a very nice job of lighting an instrument with a small red > LED. The small "grain of wheat" size works well. > > Remove the instrument from its case. > Remove the glass lens from the case. > Drill a small hole the size of the small LED from the outside of the case > to where the edge of the glass fits into the case. > Install and epoxy the led into the hole so that it just barely touches > the glass when installed. > > Hook the LED, with a proper series resistor to a 12 volt source. Do not > hook it to the panel dimmer control. > > Although it cannot be successfully dimmed, it will cast a nice red glow > on the face of the instrument. The glass acts as a conductor of the light > and provides nice even illumination. > > George > > > [b] > > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142625#142625 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:33 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lighting minihelic Dan Why don't you just put a post light on it. They are not terribly expensive and they work great. I used them on some of the lights in my RV and they worked so good I unhooked the internal lights I already had on some of my instruments and put post lights on them too. Carroll Jernigan do not archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:49 AM PST US From: "Herb Heaton" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. Sean, Try ALRECO ( Aluminum Recycling Co ) just north of Denver. The sheet aluminum and Spar Cap material I purchased was new and had the MFG lot numbers stamped on the material. He only takes cash or checks, no credit cards. ALRECO Aluminum Surplus 11299 Brighton Rd, Henderson, CO 303-287-7210 Herb Colorado Springs, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Moore To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. On 10/29/07, Art Gibeaut > wrote: > Bill is giving you good advice. I'm in the steel and aluminum business and fully engrossed in the quality side of metals. I'm also a new builder of a Zentih CH 701 and would never ever buy aluminum from anyone but reputable aviation supply sources. This answers a question I've been afraid to ask as of yet. Thank you. Price is nice but if you can't trust it... Along that vein, does anyone know of a reputable supplier local to Denver, CO? -- Sean Moore moore.sean@gmail.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge lube From: "Tim Juhl" What is the consensus on the best lube for the piano hinges used on the various control surfaces of the XL. Cessna recommends graphite powder - Piper used some hinges where the pin was inside a teflon sleeve. Comments? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142751#142751 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:55 AM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Piano hinge lube Whatever is used should provide some corrosion inhibition because the pin and the inside of the barrels will corrode otherwise. I'm leaning toward an automotive grease once all the painting is done. That will require a small insertion hole accurately located in at least one of the stabilizer tips. The flap hinge is easier because the aileron design allows access to the barrels from the outboard end without any fancy footwork. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Juhl To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge lube What is the consensus on the best lube for the piano hinges used on the various control surfaces of the XL. Cessna recommends graphite powder - Piper used some hinges where the pin was inside a teflon sleeve. Comments? Tim ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:14 PM PST US From: John Davis Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering 15% off on sheet metal orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when ordering. John Davis Burnsville, NC 601XL - Jab 3300 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:36 PM PST US From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: Zenith-List: 601 Tail kit for sale I now have my Tail Kit for sale. It would be "ideal" for someone to pick it up instead of spending A LOT of money on crating/packaging & shipping. I will have a professional packaging service pack and ship the tail, and thei r price is based on the buyers zip code. Anyone interestead let me know.. May the best man win! =0A=0A$900 OBO ( + packaging & shipping)=0APics at h ttp://www.kansasflying.com/601xl=0A=0A =0AMichael Hilderbrand=0ADerby, Kans as ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:32 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 sheet Aluminum .I have been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each time they give a certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and have never had any damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has several locations .The last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit and another sales person quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told him that I had been paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be a good mark up. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Davis" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering 15% off on sheet metal > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when ordering. > > John Davis > Burnsville, NC > 601XL - Jab 3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube From: "steveadams" LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to last 1 year outdoors. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:26 PM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: 801 with LOM Would like to talk to anyone who has put the LOM engine in their 801,pros cons ,does,don`ts flying carcteristics,installation does and don`ts also looking for anyone who need builder assitance on there 801,701,601,or others ,i do sheet metal work ,tube and fabric,basic structure or complete,located in ne wi, 20.oo an hour shop rate,or we can talk total package 920 982 2509 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:47 PM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Looking for a few parts Larry, After two years of flying, I'm missing building! I wish I had gone with a tail-dragger before. Anyway, live and learn. I'll respond to you off-list .Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:58:13 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li st: Looking for a few partsTo: zenith-list@matronics.com < I am looking for landing gear components. Main spring gear, front leg, forks, tires, wheels, brakes, or anything that your not using. < _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:35 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube ditto on the LPS 2. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: steveadams >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 4:08 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube > > >LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to last 1 year outdoors. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:52 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > How much is .016? --- wade jones wrote: > > > Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 > sheet Aluminum .I have > been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each > time they give a > certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and > have never had any > damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has > several locations .The > last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit > and another sales person > quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told > him that I had been > paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be > a good mark up. > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Davis" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - > 15% off > > > > > > > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering > 15% off on sheet metal > > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when > ordering. > > > > John Davis > > Burnsville, NC > > 601XL - Jab 3300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:58 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube I worked quick turnaround maintenance on heavies in Sanford, FL and we stored all the tug tow carts outside on the ramp. We used LPS 2 religiously on them with excellent results. Art --- Juan Vega wrote: > > > ditto on the LPS 2. > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- > >From: steveadams > >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 4:08 PM > >To: zenith-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube > > > > > > >LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few > times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It > penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to > last 1 year outdoors. > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:08 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > >> How much is .016? > --- wade jones wrote: > >> >> >> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >> sheet Aluminum .I have >> been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each >> time they give a >> certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >> have never had any >> damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >> several locations .The >> last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit >> and another sales person >> quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told >> him that I had been >> paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be >> a good mark up. >> Wade Jones South Texas >> 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Davis" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >> 15% off >> >> >> >> > >> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >> 15% off on sheet metal >> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >> ordering. >> > >> > John Davis >> > Burnsville, NC >> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> >> Web Forums! >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: lighting minihelic From: "leinad" [quote="Trainnut01(at)aol.com"]Dan Why don't you just put a post light on it. They are not terribly expensive and they work great. I used them on some of the lights in my RV and they worked so good I unhooked the internal lights I already had on some of my instruments and put post lights on them too. Carroll Jernigan do not archive. See w > [b] Carrol, Thanks. I've heard about post lights but never seen one. I'll look into it. It might be the perfect solution. I have one other gage (EGT/CHT) that isn't presently lit, but the other ideas that have been talked about would work good on that one. Dan -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142840#142840 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:00 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Zenith-List: Tachometer Problems I ran my new Rotax 912S today and it ran great. However, the tachometer went crazy above 3000 rpm so I could not throttle the engine all the way up to check the max rpm's. This was a tach supplied by Zenith. Has anyone else had this problem. All of the connections seem secure. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:25 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: re:801 flaperon deflection Seems to me I have about 28 degrees. It is so much I cannot trim nose up enough. Dumping full flaps is kinda like pulling the chute on a dragste r, you can feel it in the seatbelts and you will slow down damn fast.... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Tracy wrote: Thanks for the reply do you know how many degrees of flaps you have? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:17 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stolen Aircraft The airport manager there is Stan Barrett, he has owned an 801 before an d I saw him on the local news after it happened. He was as shocked as mo st of us who can't believe a plane got ripped off in this neck of the wo ods..... do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "Mack Kreizenbeck" wrote: net> I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but a 2003 Zenith CH2000 D, N652AM, S/N 20-1022 was stolen from the American Falls Idaho Airport sometime between October 5th and 12th. This bird is white with blue and yellow stripes. If you see it, contact your local police or Seth Magid o f AIG Aviation 800-969-5473. There is a $10,000 reward! Mack P. Kreizenbeck ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:06 PM PST US From: GeorgeM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: lighting minihelic > Thanks. I've heard about post lights but never seen one. I'll look into > it. > It might be the perfect solution. I have one other gage (EGT/CHT) that > isn't presently lit, but the other ideas that have been talked about would > work good on that one. > Dan Here is one: http://www.engalt.com/aviation.htm George ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:47 PM PST US From: Subject: Zenith-List: Serial to gray code converter Hey guys, I've got an encoder that puts out serial altitude data and a Becker 4401-1 transponder that accepts only gray code altitude data. Anybody out there have any experience with the Dynon serial to gray code converter module? Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Dred ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:33 PM PST US From: GLENN JOHNSON Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Serial to gray code converter HI DRED I USED THE GREY CODE WITH MY DYNON AND A KING TRANSPONDER. I GOT MY WIRING HOOKUP ON LINE FROM KING WEB SITE I THINK. I WENT TO A LOCAL AVIONICS SHO P AND THE GUY GAVE ME A BUNCH OF CONNECTERS FOR FREE. I BOUGHT MY ENCODERE R FROM AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. THE INSTRUCTION FOR THE ENCODER CAME WITH THE ENCO DER. IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION I'LL DIG OUT MY PAPER WORK. GLENN > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:32:30 -0400> From: dredmoody@cox.net> To: zenit h-list@matronics.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Serial to gray code converter> got an encoder that puts out serial altitude data and a Becker 4401-1 trans ponder that accepts only gray code altitude data. > > Anybody out there hav e any experience with the Dynon serial to gray code converter module? Any i =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:50 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off To much trouble? In what way. Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "wade jones" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > >> >>> How much is .016? >> --- wade jones wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >>> sheet Aluminum .I have >>> been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each >>> time they give a >>> certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >>> have never had any >>> damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >>> several locations .The >>> last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit >>> and another sales person >>> quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told >>> him that I had been >>> paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be >>> a good mark up. >>> Wade Jones South Texas >>> 601XL plans building >>> Cont. 0200 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Davis" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >>> 15% off >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >>> 15% off on sheet metal >>> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >>> ordering. >>> > >>> > John Davis >>> > Burnsville, NC >>> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> browse >>> Subscriptions page, >>> FAQ, >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>> >>> Web Forums! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:58 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Burger and a chat From: "Wingrider" Any updates? Is this still on? -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142865#142865 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:44 PM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Jabiru Cooling Hey guys: Anyone out there redone the cooling on a Jabiru 3300 and gotten rid of the cooling ducts? I have sent e-mails to Pete at USA Jabiru and Bob at RL aviation and can not get answers about helping me with new cooling ducts for my Jabiru. I am willing to try anything that works. My 3300 cooled fine in California, and on the way home to Florida. But once I got here, the temps went up. (Over 350 at economy cruise) Lynn Nelsen ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:49 PM PST US From: "sales@steelframe" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Jabiru Cooling What you gotta do is modify the lower cowl to suck more air out, I can send you a photo if you want to contact me, But Do not touch the cooling ducts, also what type of aircraft ? Regards Ron Saarinen ----- Original Message ----- From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Jabiru Cooling Hey guys: Anyone out there redone the cooling on a Jabiru 3300 and gotten rid of the cooling ducts? I have sent e-mails to Pete at USA Jabiru and Bob at RL aviation and can not get answers about helping me with new cooling ducts for my Jabiru. I am willing to try anything that works. My 3300 cooled fine in California, and on the way home to Florida. But once I got here, the temps went up. (Over 350 at economy cruise) Lynn Nelsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what' ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:17 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off They will not handle anyrthing under .025 .They said that the lighter thickness material was very hard for them to receive without shipping damage .. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southern Reflections" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > > To much trouble? In what way. Joe N101HD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wade jones" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > >> >> They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . >> Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off >> >> >>> >>>> How much is .016? >>> --- wade jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >>>> sheet Aluminum .I have been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets >>>> .Each >>>> time they give a certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >>>> have never had any damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >>>> several locations .The last time (one month ago) my sales person had >>>> quit >>>> and another sales person quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I >>>> told >>>> him that I had been paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must >>>> be >>>> a good mark up. >>>> Wade Jones South Texas >>>> 601XL plans building >>>> Cont. 0200 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Davis" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >>>> 15% off >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >>>> 15% off on sheet metal >>>> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >>>> ordering. >>>> > >>>> > John Davis >>>> > Burnsville, NC >>>> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> browse >>>> Subscriptions page, >>>> FAQ, >>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>>> >>>> Web Forums! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:49 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Stolen Aircraft How can somebody expect to get away with this? Are there aviation chop shops or launderers? At least you might be able to track the plane in the future if someone is stupid enough to use flight following with a hot plane: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N652AM Good grief. -John in Seattle DO NOT ARCHIVE On 10/30/07, n801bh@netzero.com wrote: > > The airport manager there is Stan Barrett, he has owned an 801 before and > I saw him on the local news after it happened. He was as shocked as most of > us who can't believe a plane got ripped off in this neck of the woods..... > > > do not archive > > Ben Haas > N801BH > www.haaspowerair.com > > -- "Mack Kreizenbeck" wrote: > aprazer@cableone.net> > > I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but a 2003 Zenith CH2000D, > N652AM, S/N 20-1022 was stolen from the American Falls Idaho Airport > sometime between October 5th and 12th. This bird is white with blue and > yellow stripes. If you see it, contact your local police or Seth Magid of > AIG Aviation 800-969-5473. There is a > $10,000================================================================================================; - > NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > -<===================================================== > > * > > > * > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotax 912 UL high oil pressure From: "Edward Micallef" : : :( Hi you all, I have changed the Rotax oil filter with an other Rotax oil filter and drained the oil witch was all syentec and replaced with a 10w 40 oil recommend by Rotax. I also removed the sender and bench tested . Checked out good flew the plane for 3hrs , the oil pressure is mostly in the 80psi at 5k rpm ..at 2k rpm. it drops to around 65psi...at one time when I let the rpm go to 58k the oil psi went down to about 65psi.. The engine runs great . any comments?. Keep your air speed up and happy landings...Ed Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142898#142898 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:26 PM PST US From: Rosestar Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Cooling I just heard a suggestion last weekend that sounds like it might work. Add a one inch extension strip of aluminum to the "lip" on the aft bottom of the of the lower cowling. Just this much will help create a slip stream in climb and allow the air in the engine compartment to escape. As the cowling is now, there is too much pressure on the bottom cowling starting at a 4% climb to allow the air to escape. This was a simple fix by my new builder friend Ray on his old Luscombe, which the factory adopted to solve its cooling issue years ago. He suggested this to another 601 owner with a Jabiru 3300. At least in climb the cooling should improve. Any thoughts? Brad DeMeo N601BD still working and trying to finish soon ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:01 PM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Cooling This kind of extension worked great on my XL this past Summer with temps in the mid to hi 90ies. I believe the newer Jab FWF packages for the XL have improved cowling for more cooling, in addition to the newer engines having improved ram air ducts and more cooling fin area on the cylinders . Tony Graziano 601XL/Jab 3300; 314 hrs Jabiru Cooling From: Rosestar (rosestar@sonic.net) Date: Tue Oct 30 - 10:31 PM I just heard a suggestion last weekend that sounds like it might work. Add a one inch extension strip of aluminum to the "lip" on the aft bottom of the of the lower cowling. Just this much will help create a slip stream in climb and allow the air in the engine compartment to escape. As the cowling is now, there is too much pressure on the bottom cowling starting at a 4% climb to allow the air to escape. This was a simple fix by my new builder friend Ray on his old Luscombe, which the factory adopted to solve its cooling issue years ago. He suggested this to another 601 owner with a Jabiru 3300. At least in climb the cooling should improve. Any thoughts? Brad DeMeo N601BD still working and trying to finish soon ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL form blocks joggle and crimp cutouts From: "Jugle" Forgive me if I'm getting a bit pedantic here, but I just want to be sure. Where I've notched out the form blocks for the joggle for the spar and for the crimps along the rib edges, do I need to round those edges off like the rest of the block? I'm concerned that if I bash with a hammer and wooden block to follow those recesses I might get some cracking... or is the bend shallow enough to cope? What have you done? Glenn. -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. 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