---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/03/07: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:24 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Canatukker) 2. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (Dave Austin) 3. 05:23 AM - Re: Am I Krazy ? (rgeese) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (george may) 5. 05:46 AM - Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (Pete Krotje) 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Am I Krazy ? (ZodieRocket) 7. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (ZodieRocket) 8. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (Southern Reflections) 9. 08:07 AM - What was it? (Bill Naumuk) 10. 08:22 AM - Re: Am I Krazy ? (kmccune) 11. 08:49 AM - Re: What was it? (hansriet) 12. 09:19 AM - Re: Camera Mount (hansriet) 13. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Camera Mount (Craig Payne) 14. 09:55 AM - Re: What was it? (NYTerminat@aol.com) 15. 10:25 AM - Re: Wing root fairings (Canatukker) 16. 11:13 AM - Zenith 701 Tach problems (Dan) 17. 12:05 PM - Re: What was it? (Bill Naumuk) 18. 12:16 PM - Re: Am I Krazy ? (JG) 19. 12:25 PM - Re: Locations for headset jacks? (Gig Giacona) 20. 02:51 PM - A6, A7 Rivets? (Brad Cohen) 21. 03:27 PM - Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (Tim Juhl) 22. 03:31 PM - Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (David Downey) 23. 03:43 PM - Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (PatrickW) 24. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (ZodieRocket) 25. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Wing root fairings (Dave Austin) 26. 05:34 PM - Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (Jeff) 27. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (Brad Cohen) 28. 07:02 PM - Oil Access Door (Jaybannist@cs.com) 29. 07:05 PM - Re: A6, A7 Rivets? (john H) 30. 07:32 PM - Re: Oil Access Door (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings From: "Canatukker" Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > Klaus, > > For those of us building XLs (with flaps), what do you think would be the effect of adding only the forward part of the wing root fairings? > > Jay in Dallas :D I have had my zodiac 601 UL from Feb. this Year and found the plane to glide like a rock and fly with a nose high attitude ,also the stall speed I found somewhat high . after reading Klaus's report on the Wing-root fairings and the phenomenal numbers of improvement on his HDS i could not wait to try it so weaponed with a roll of ductape I went to the airport and made fairings on the front part of the wing-root (works like magic) and went flying , the airplane is NOT the same anymore , she fly's like all the (Canadian 1232 lb max) ultralights I have been flying with a level attitude (I can now see over the nose ) specially on landing because we have a much better glide ,I have had not a lot off time to test all exact numbers ,but think Thad stall speed has not much changed yet(no fairing on back part of wing YET ) I LOVE MY REBORN PLANE !! and can hardly wait to bring out the fiberglass and make the fairings permanent Thanks Klaus for your research . if any of You guy's have experience with wing-root fairing please let me know . Ron Smit from a rainy Abbotsford Canada B.C. C-FNSR -------- lets go flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143560#143560 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:02 AM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Ron Smit, I made fibreglas wing root fairings ten years ago. Somewhat like a Spitfire. Found the biggest effect was on climbout (better) and less turbulence on the horizontal stab/elevators. Will send a picture if you send me your email. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII daveaustin2@primus.ca ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Am I Krazy ? From: "rgeese" I had that idea in my head when I first started construction, but talked myself out of it. It certainly would have been a lot of extra work! However I DID fill all the rivets in the instrument panel with JB Weld and lightly sanded it down before painting. It gave the panel a more finished look, and wasn't hard to do. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143570#143570 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:22 AM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Dave I'd like to see your fairings and I'm sure other on the list would also. Can you post those pictures for everyone to see? George May 601XL 912s 166 hours> From: daveaustin2@primus.ca> To: zenith-list@matronic s.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2 eaustin2@primus.ca>> > Ron Smit,> I made fibreglas wing root fairings ten y ears ago. Somewhat like a > Spitfire. Found the biggest effect was on climb out (better) and less > turbulence on the horizontal stab/elevators.> Will send a picture if you send me your email.> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfi ================> > > _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:20 AM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook Hello All, As many of you know engine prices from our Jabiru competitors have just had a substantial increase. This is due mainly to the weakening of the US dollar against other world currencies. At Jabiru USA we are facing the same problem. The Aussie dollar is now at about $ .93 US. Back in 2001 when we started importing engines the Aussie dollar was $ .46 US. As you can see with a little math, our costs have increased 100% since then. We are able to sell Jabiru engines at our current price because I was able to lock in some AU$ at a favorable rate. That's the only reason we have not increased prices already. I will run out of those locked in AU$ before the end of the year and at that time will have to increase prices. How much will the increase be? If I have to pay the current rate of exchange my costs will go up about $2,000.00 on a Jabiru 3300. There is no more margin to squeeze to hold down part of the increase. The bottom line is that we have about 35 engines left at the current price. These engines will be produced in Australia in November and December and arrive in the USA in January & February. Once these 35 are sold a new price will take effect. Please contact us if there are any questions. Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC 931-680-2800 www.usjabiru.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:00 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Am I Krazy ? OF course you are, and every neighbor that walks by your garage says so!! But when they actually call me nuts I just say that I am interesting. Now have two planes in your driveway and you are truly allowed to be called nuts. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Am I Krazy ? Please put me away..... I had the idea of an award winning finish in my XL so I filled each rivet with putty. I now realize that it will not improve the looks and did you know that there are 8, 346 rivets in the darn thing?.... I m just knuts.......... Name withheld because of embarrassment... "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 11/3/2007 11:22 AM 11/3/2007 11:22 AM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:31 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings The pictures of Daves wing root fairings are on HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Dave I'd like to see your fairings and I'm sure other on the list would also. Can you post those pictures for everyone to see? George May 601XL 912s 166 hours > From: daveaustin2@primus.ca > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:31:03 -0400 > > > Ron Smit, > I made fibreglas wing root fairings ten years ago. Somewhat like a > Spitfire. Found the biggest effect was on climbout (better) and less > turbulence on the horizontal stab/elevators. > Will send a picture if you send me your email. > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII daveaustin2@primus.ca > == > > > _____ Boo! Scare away w' target='_new'>Try now! "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Zenith-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 11/3/2007 11:22 AM 11/3/2007 11:22 AM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:42 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Intrested in your wings Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Austin" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings > > Ron Smit, > I made fibreglas wing root fairings ten years ago. Somewhat like a > Spitfire. Found the biggest effect was on climbout (better) and less > turbulence on the horizontal stab/elevators. > Will send a picture if you send me your email. > Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII daveaustin2@primus.ca > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:03 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: What was it? All- Couldn't get a decent scan of the picture- it was of the empennage, which looked sort of Zenith-ish. Don't think there are any 801's in our area but you can't trust the media to know the difference between a 2 seater and a 4 seater. One of the TV channels once said a crash at Dart airport in N.Y. was due to engine failure, and then showed footage of a glider!! Really curious because Greenville is where I got my SEL. It's a tight field (<3000'), but the Rt 58 side is unobstructed. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Am I Krazy ? From: "kmccune" When my kids call me strange, I just say nope..... I'm unique, Of course my in-laws don't buy it! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143587#143587 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: What was it? From: "hansriet" RV 10 with Subaru engine. http://pittsburgh.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=pittsburgh&cdn=citiestowns&tm=11&gps=59_9_1080_778&f=00&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=14&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.wtaetv.com/ Hans Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143589#143589 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Camera Mount From: "hansriet" I've been playing with that idea as well. I think mounting in the Landing Light well is a good idea but will probably give flare at night. A more interesting shot will be a lipstick or ice cube camera on top of the rudder. That way you'll have the whole airplane in the foreground (with the appropriate wide angle lens). And it can be used for analysis as well. Hans Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143590#143590 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:16 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Camera Mount Scott did it: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_2006_RudderCam2.JPG http://www.cooknwithgas.com/12_2006_RudderCam1.JPG -- Craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:07 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What was it? It was an RV-10 with a Subaru engine In a message dated 11/3/2007 11:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naumuk@alltel.net writes: All- Couldn't get a decent scan of the picture- it was of the empennage, which looked sort of Zenith-ish. Don't think there are any 801's in our area but you can't trust the media to know the difference between a 2 seater and a 4 seater. One of the TV channels once said a crash at Dart airport in N.Y. was due to engine failure, and then showed footage of a glider!! Really curious because Greenville is where I got my SEL. It's a tight field (<3000'), but the Rt 58 side is unobstructed. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings From: "Canatukker" Ok don`t laugh I have a link to some pictures of this very successful test . 8) http://picasaweb.google.ca/10avion/WingRootTest Fly save have fun Ron. -------- lets go flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143598#143598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0025_164.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:56 AM PST US From: Dan Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith 701 Tach problems I would like to thank Zed Smith for his solution to my tachometer problem. Yes you do need a 1K resistor across the leads of the tach to make it work right at rpm's above 3000. The tach has no name on it but is part of the Zenith instrument package. Today was the first chance I had to run the 912S at max rpm. I initially set my prop at 11.5 degrees and it maxed on the ground at 5700. I will leave it there at least until I get some flight time. I have reached the point where I can now call for an appointment to get it inspected an hopefully fly it before the end to the year. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:04 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What was it? Sorry to hear of it, but thanks for the info. It'll probably be weeks before we find out and they'll probably get it wrong. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: NYTerminat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: What was it? It was an RV-10 with a Subaru engine In a message dated 11/3/2007 11:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, naumuk@alltel.net writes: All- Couldn't get a decent scan of the picture- it was of the empennage, which looked sort of Zenith-ish. Don't think there are any 801's in our area but you can't trust the media to know the difference between a 2 seater and a 4 seater. One of the TV channels once said a crash at Dart airport in N.Y. was due to engine failure, and then showed footage of a glider!! Really curious because Greenville is where I got my SEL. It's a tight field (<3000'), but the Rt 58 side is unobstructed. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:16 PM PST US From: "JG" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Am I Krazy ? No you're not krazy. It will look a heck of a lot better. Have you painted yet? That's when you really notice the difference - don't have all those little black holes looking back at you... We've filled all those holes on a couple of aircraft and the results are really good - keep getting the comment, "Are those solid rivets??" But using putty must have really tedious, there's a much easier way. Mix polyester resin with enough microballons to give a 'honey' consistency. Mix a half a cup of this and keep it on hand. When you need to fill, take just a teaspoon of the mix in a plastic lid and add several drops of hardener - enough so that it will go hard in half an hour. Use the stem of a 3/32 rivet to dip in the filler and apply to the rivet hole. Poke the stem into each hole, and when you withdraw it will leave a neat drop of filler in there - really quick and easy. Sometimes need to go over again and top up a few that haven't quite filled. When its hardened just a light sand with fine paper to take off any 'pimples' that stand proud. Best to do it while you can still rotate the fuselage to be working down, but can do on the side as well. Only takes a couple hours to do a whole wing panel. Well worth it for appearance and good feeling have those holes sealed. Attached is a photo of results. Tailwinds always, JG ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Am I Krazy ? Please put me away..... I had the idea of an award winning finish in my XL so I filled each rivet with putty. I now realize that it will not improve the looks and did you know that there are 8, 346 rivets in the darn thing?.... I m just knuts.......... Name withheld because of embarrassment... ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Locations for headset jacks? From: "Gig Giacona" Bryan's location is what I was talking about as well. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143609#143609 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:05 PM PST US From: "Brad Cohen" Subject: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet? Can anyone help? -Brad Cohen XL-TD working on wings ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A6, A7 Rivets? From: "Tim Juhl" Where are the oversize holes located? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143626#143626 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:46 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? please remember that as the hole/rivet size goes up so does the edge distance requirement... Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair ----- Original Message ---- From: Brad Cohen Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2007 2:47:52 PM Subject: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet? Can anyone help? -Brad Cohen XL-TD working on wings __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A6, A7 Rivets? From: "PatrickW" I just bought some A6's from Aircraft Spruce. Got them the other day. Good quality. Look here for info about A6's: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=33918 I don't know about A7's. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143629#143629 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:02 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings You must be Canadian, If not then Red Green would be just so proud!!! Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Canatukker Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Ok don`t laugh I have a link to some pictures of this very successful test . 8) http://picasaweb.google.ca/10avion/WingRootTest Fly save have fun Ron. -------- lets go flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143598#143598 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscf0025_164.jpg 11/3/2007 11:22 AM 11/3/2007 11:22 AM ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:15 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Wing root fairings Wing root fairings. Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:32 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible to put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized rivet? Can anyone help? A6 rivets certainly exist. A few came with my HD kit. ZAC sells them too. In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are elongated or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for an A5 is oversize. The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?" Jeff Davidson CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ... ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:23 PM PST US From: "Brad Cohen" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: A6, A7 Rivets? Tim, Leading edge nose rib #4, bottom skin holes #6 & 7 measured frmo the spar. I used A5's throughout for additional strength, but now have elongated these two holes -Brad >From: "Tim Juhl" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A6, A7 Rivets? >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:24:40 -0700 > > >Where are the oversize holes located? > >Tim > >-------- >______________ >CFII >Champ L16A flying >Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A >Working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143626#143626 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:03 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Oil Access Door I am now contemplating the access door to get to the dip stick on my 601XL with WW Corvair engine. I have some ideas, but I would like to see what others have done, learn from your experience and maybe get it right the first time. I've had enough "do-overs" already, thank you. Jay in Dallas ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:17 PM PST US From: john H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? Have you considered using another type of rivet other than Avex? Perhaps yo u could find a cherry max rivet to fit. If you can not get a backing plate on a rivet how can you get a nut on the bolt or were you were thinking of a rivnut? Regards John > From: jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A6, A7 Rivets? > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:31:46 -0400 > t> > > > Does anyone on the list know if A6 or A7 exist? I have two holes that are > oversized to the point that an A5 won't fit. The holes are inaccessible t o > put any type of backing plate in so my only(?) option is an oversized riv et? > Can anyone help? > > A6 rivets certainly exist. A few came with my HD kit. ZAC sells them to o. > In an old note from Nick that I re-read recently looking for the HD VDO > sender instructions (which I eventually found by the way) Nick indicated > that A5 rivets commonly are used when the holes for A4 rivets are elongat ed > or drilled oversize, but that A6 rivets are rarely used when a hole for a n > A5 is oversize. The question then becomes "Should you use a bolt?" > > Jeff Davidson > CH601 HD/Jabiru 3300/working on fuel system ... > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:21 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Oil Access Door What's wrong with William Wynne's standard cowling? Four quarter-turn fasteners release the top right cover which exposes the dip stick. Pictures attached of William's tail-dragger. Somebody (Bill Clapp?) bent his and brought it out through the hole in the cowl. But I bet the standard alternator position might block that. -- Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.