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1. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Fuel selector location? (steve)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. (Geoff Heap)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. (Dirk Slabbert)
4. 06:35 AM - Zenith down pilot OK (ljkyle)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Fuel Sender screws (Gig Giacona)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: Oil Access Door (Gig Giacona)
7. 07:43 AM - 601 HDS project (Steve Sims)
8. 07:45 AM - CH701 Rotax 912 (John Swanson)
9. 08:31 AM - What's the current wisdom on using Proseal? (PatrickW)
10. 09:03 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (hansriet)
11. 09:03 AM - Re: Am I Krazy? You tell me who is Crazy. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
12. 09:09 AM - Re: 601 HDS project (Randy Stout)
13. 09:34 AM - Re: Fuel selector location? (Matt & Jo)
14. 09:38 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (Gig Giacona)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: CH701 Rotax 912 (Gordon)
16. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (George Swinford)
17. 10:08 AM - Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron (Juan Vega)
18. 10:12 AM - mounting engine with body on stands. (mosquito56)
19. 10:20 AM - Re: CH701 Rotax 912 (John Swanson)
20. 10:20 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (hansriet)
21. 10:33 AM - Re: Zenith down pilot OK (Craig Payne)
22. 10:55 AM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (Craig Payne)
23. 11:14 AM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (Gig Giacona)
24. 11:21 AM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (Craig Payne)
25. 11:27 AM - Re: Zenith down pilot OK (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
26. 11:33 AM - 3 Zodiacs down in 4 days. (eedetail)
27. 11:51 AM - Re: Zenith down pilot OK (LarryMcFarland)
28. 12:10 PM - Re: Fuel Sender screws (wade jones)
29. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (Jaybannist@cs.com)
30. 12:33 PM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (Gig Giacona)
31. 12:50 PM - Re: Zenith down pilot OK (ljkyle)
32. 01:06 PM - Re: Fuel Sender screws (lwhitlow)
33. 01:41 PM - Re: Fuel Sender screws (Gig Giacona)
34. 02:48 PM - chat (Rob St Denis)
35. 03:24 PM - Re: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron (Bill Naumuk)
36. 03:46 PM - Re: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron (Sean Moore)
37. 04:06 PM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (mosquito56)
38. 04:06 PM - Re: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron (river1)
39. 05:32 PM - Monday night Chat (ZodieRocket)
40. 06:26 PM - Re:Zenith down pilot OK (MaxNr@aol.com)
41. 07:04 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook (kmccune)
42. 07:45 PM - Re: Monday night Chat (Rob St Denis)
43. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Fuel selector location? (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel selector location? |
Paul and you guys.
I learned to fly in 1965 in a BeechCraft. I was taught from day one to use
the left tank first because in the "bigger" airplanes the fuel pump would
feed fuel to the engine. Any excess fuel that wasnt needed by the engine
would be returned by the system to the left tank...
Using the right tank first and having excess returned to the left would
allow fuel to overflow out the vent....
I ve always "assumed" that was the straight scoop and never questioned my
instructor. Instructors are experts, now I are one...
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel selector location?
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I couldn't resist commenting on this topic.
>
> It is one of the "Nature of the Beast" issues that you must directly
> control the fuel source in low wing airplanes. It has something to do
> with the physics of liquids and the way gravity works as opposed to the
> way pumps work.
>
> In a liquid, the pressure increases with the depth of the liquid. This
> means that when using gravity feed from high wing tanks, the tanks will
> tend to equalize their height so you get roughly the same amount of fuel
> from each tank when the lines from the tanks are connected. This is what
> you get when you use "Both" tanks in a high wing plane.
>
> In a low wing plane, a pump must be used to raise the fuel from the tanks
> to the engine. If you gave the pump a choice, it would take its fuel from
> which ever tank had the lowest pressure. That means the pump would always
> take its fuel from which ever tank had the least fuel. With this
> arrangement you would never get any fuel from the tank with the most fuel
> in it. This is not what you want in an airplane. The normal solution is
> a selector switch that allows the pilot to draw fuel from which ever tank
> he chooses.
>
> In Piper low wing planes, the normal way to control the fuel is to start
> with one tank (usually the left tank for some unknown reason) and burn
> around 1/2 hour from it. Then you switch to the other tank and burn from
> it for an hour. At this point you should be finished with your flight,
> but if not you switch to the first tank and burn another hour from it.
> For takeoff and landing you always switch to the tank with the most fuel.
>
> It sounds like a lot of work for a pilot used to high wing planes, but you
> will get used to it quickly. There just isn't a better way.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
> At 06:14 PM 11/4/2007, you wrote:
>> Ron, Couldn't you run off of BOTH with both tanks full for the" top
>> half ", I only fly from the top half any way,then it's time to re fuel. I
>> dont see why you couldn't fly off the frist 3/4 of the tanks ,then switch
>> back and forth between LEFT and RIGHT ? Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. |
I've had a lot of replies to this post off line so I started a "package" and have
been sending it to out. I've attached it here. If you email me I'll put you
on the "updates" list. Thanks for the interest.
Sorry. The file is too big to upload at 1MB
email me STOL10 (at) comcast.net
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand. |
Hallo Geoff, count me in, I'd like to see what other builders done!
How are you getting along with the painting? I still dont know what to do
about the dent in my wing.
Send any file, I am on a fast line here in the south.
Thanks ,
Dirk.
Piketberg SA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Dual Controls. ref Michael Rand.
>
> I've had a lot of replies to this post off line so I started a "package"
> and have been sending it to out. I've attached it here. If you email me
> I'll put you on the "updates" list. Thanks for the interest.
>
> Sorry. The file is too big to upload at 1MB
> email me STOL10 (at) comcast.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143940#143940
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>
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| Subject: | Zenith down pilot OK |
http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=7309699
Greenwood airport is a suburb of Indianapolis Indiana on the south side
Larry Kyle
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender screws |
If you didn't get the screws with the sender you should call Zenith and have them
send them to you. You paid for them.
davidhwright(at)mac.com wrote:
> Request for info re fuel senders
>
> I am scratch building a 601XL and am at the stage where I fit the
> fuel senders to the tanks. I bought the fuel senders from Zenith but
> they arrived without any screws to attach the senders to the backing
> plate.
> I note from the photo assembly guide (6K1b) that there is a longer
> screw and a number of short ones. Does anyone have the specification
> for the screws I require?
>
> Dave
> 601XL scratch building (nearly finished right wing)
> Washington UK
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Access Door |
I'm with Craig on this one. The WW cowling really doesn't need another hole in
it.
Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> I am now contemplating the access door to get to the dip stick on my 601XL with
WW Corvair engine. I have some ideas, but I would like to see what others
have done, learn from your experience and maybe get it right the first time.
I've had enough "do-overs" already, thank you.
>
> Jay in Dallas
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601XL Under Construction
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I recently bought a 601 HDS project thats about 20% complete. Since this i
s an older kit, I am wondering if there is a source where I can find all of
the changes/alterations that have been required/recommended in the last 15
years or so.
Thanks,
Steve Sims
601 HDS
Navarre, Fl
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List
Installing a Rotax 912 in a CH701.What terminal connector do i use to
connect the shielded wire from the switch to theelectric module (mags)
Rotax installation manual is no help.ThanxJohn S
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| Subject: | What's the current wisdom on using Proseal? |
Considering sealing my side-mounted senders (in the XL wing tanks) with Proseal.
Anybody out there who DIDN'T use proseal - but wishes that they did?
Anybody who DID use proseal and regretted it later?
Knowing what you know now, what would you do?
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook |
You have to be kidding me...
Great joke.
In case you're not joking: you really should get out more.
More than 40 Million Americans can't afford healthcare.
There is no social security, unemployment and retirement benefits worth mentioning.
The educational system scores extremely low compared to the rest of the world.
And to top it off, the infrastructure deteriorates every year while an illegitimate
federal government keeps pumping money into a lost war in Iraq, to
the further enrichment of their wealthy buddies.
Maybe you remember a different USA, but that was probably from before the corporations
took over and raped the country. Those illegals that you loathe are allowed
because they raise the profit margin of many companies.
But uou're entitled to enjoy your 'freedom' and sleep on.
Hans van Riet
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| Subject: | Re: Am I Krazy? You tell me who is Crazy. |
Well I must be too young then because I have a tv in my shop....Would that
be considered multi tasking?
I was visiting my good friend John Bolding who is also a member or this list
one day. He took me to his neighbors hangar; he lives on an airport. His
neighbor had recently completed a beautiful Bear Hawk in what seemed to me to
be a very short time. My comment to him was "you sure must spend a lot of
time building airplanes". His comment back really made me think a little. He
said "not near as much time as most people spend in front of the television".
The more I thought about it the more that made perfect sense. At least you
are doing your own discovery, not watching it on the Discovery Channel. You
tell me "Who is crazy"?
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Steve
When you call Zenith to register the plans in your name, you can order
the
updates for $50 at the same time. Also ask them for your username and
password for the Builders Resources part of their web site.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/n282rs
n282rs at satx.rr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sims
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HDS project
I recently bought a 601 HDS project thats about 20% complete. Since
this is
an older kit, I am wondering if there is a source where I can find all
of
the changes/alterations that have been required/recommended in the last
15
years or so.
Thanks,
Steve Sims
601 HDS
Navarre, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel selector location? |
Actually with the access panel up top. It isn't that bad to change or
remove the filter. I considered putting it in the engine compartment
but was concerned about heating. With out the removable panel it would
be tough.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel selector location?
Look'slike It's going to be hard as hell to change that filter after
you get the plane built, beatiful with the rest of the work... Joe
N101HD 601XL
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt & Jo
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel selector location?
I had similar concerns about raising the location of the fuel
selector. I moved it down to keep it as low as possible. I wanted to
make sure that there is a pressure head on the fuel selector. I then
used an extension to keep the selector within easy reach. You can see
it on this page of my website.
http://www.zodiacxl.com/Brake%20and%20Fuel%20system.htm
While I understand the need to conserve space. I also look at the
functional priority of the systems on the aircraft. Fuel system
management rates pretty high in my priority. When we look at accident
statistics fuel management is one of the major failures. So in my panel
it is where I can get to it.
Good Luck
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook |
This really isn't the place for this discussion.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Rotax 912 |
John,
The connectors with small rubber seals should have been included
with your engine., they were with mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Swanson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Rotax 912
List
Installing a Rotax 912 in a CH701.What terminal connector do i use to
connect the shielded wire from the switch to theelectric module (mags)
Rotax installation manual is no help.ThanxJohn S
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook |
I agree 100%! Also, it would be great to add "Do Not Archive".
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
> This really isn't the place for this discussion.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143992#143992
>
>
> --
11/5/2007 4:36 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron |
Now that i have your attention! see attached picture of my securing device for
holding the ailerons flat at tie down time. You have to use a wood dowel design
for the elevator since it is too heavy for the balls to hold up.
Mark, that is two cold brews please.
Juan
-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Juan Vega <JVega@carterusa.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2007 12:32 PM
>To: amyvega2005@earthlink.net
>Subject:
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| Subject: | mounting engine with body on stands. |
I am building my plane in my backyard. I am just reaching the point where I will
be putting the body on stands. I was wondering if I can mount the engine with
it on stands or if I need to move it to the driveway to mount the landing gear
first?
Airplane will not fit thru gate with landing gear attached.
Any thoughts?
Don
Do not archieve
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Rotax 912 |
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Rotax 912
John,
The connectors with small rubber seals should have been included
with your engine., they were with mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Swanson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Rotax 912
List
Installing a Rotax 912 in a CH701.What terminal connector do i use to
connect the shielded wire from the switch to theelectric module (mags)
Rotax installation manual is no help.ThanxJohn S
I found them thanksJohn Sdo not archive
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook |
My apologies. Got carried away.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Hans van Riet
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| Subject: | Zenith down pilot OK |
N601AG owned by Alan Gluff (logically). Says it is a 601HD but doesn't list
engine type. Of course the press lists it as a "Zin-Aire"
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=601AG
Looks pretty good for having flipped over. I don't think it is a
tail-dragger. I wonder how/why the front gear collapsed.
The Zenith database says that the engine is a Subaru conversion. As of 2002
the plane had 88 hours on it and the pilot had 600. Built from plans.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | mounting engine with body on stands. |
I loaded a fuselage on its gear into the back of a truck when the opening
was too narrow by angling it, "hooking" first one gear leg and then the
other. Will that work with your gate or is there no room to maneuver near
the gate?
Also without the engine on the fuselage is light enough to just pick up and
lift over the gate.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: mounting engine with body on stands. |
Jay B has mounted his engine without the fuselage being on the gear.
I would suggest that you do the required fitting of the gear because, at least
with mine, it required several "on and off" evolutions. I'd hate to think of doing
it with 200 lbs of engine on front.
mosquito56 wrote:
> I am building my plane in my backyard. I am just reaching the point where I will
be putting the body on stands. I was wondering if I can mount the engine with
it on stands or if I need to move it to the driveway to mount the landing
gear first?
> Airplane will not fit thru gate with landing gear attached.
> Any thoughts?
> Don
>
> Do not archieve
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | mounting engine with body on stands. |
> Also without the engine on
Make that "engine off"
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith down pilot OK |
do not archive
Would not put too much it to what that reporter (?) said. Bet he just nosed
over. Do not think the rudder could stand a flip over without bending. Jerry
of Ga.
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| Subject: | 3 Zodiacs down in 4 days. |
************************************************** ******************************
** Report created 11/5/2007 Record 1 **
************************************************** ******************************
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 27S Make/Model: EXP Description: 601HDS
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: FARMINGTON State: DE Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES 2 MILES WEST OF FARMINGTON, DE
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: PHILADELPHIA, PA (EA17) Entry date: 11/05/2007
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** Report created 11/5/2007 Record 3 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 634WB Make/Model: EXP Description: ZODIAK 601 XL
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: LA BELLE State: MO Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES NEAR LA BELLE, MO.
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: ST. LOUIS, MO (CE03) Entry date: 11/05/2007
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** Report created 11/5/2007 Record 18 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 601AG Make/Model: EXP Description: ZENALRE 2001
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: GREENWOOD State: IN Country: US
DESCRIPTION
PILOT REPORTED LOW OIL PRESSURE AND LANDED IN A FIELD, GREENWOOD, IN
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: UNK
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Cruise Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: INDIANAPOLIS, IN (GL11) Entry date: 11/05/2007
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Last report is kinda wrong, the plane is a 601HD. Engine was a subaru.
Also, it's been posted here already. Just thought I'd group all three together.
If someone has more info on the top two reports, please let us know.
TimE Comm-Asel
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith down pilot OK |
The field was rather coarse and the nose gear and prop both were quickly
in the dirt on touchdown.
The news reported the plane upside down and that Mr Gluff was lucky
enough to simply step out of the plane once righted. Perhaps this
settles past conjecture on the question of having a roll bar. On the
oil pressure light, I'd bet the pipe fitting at the rear of the engine
was a brass hardware store fitting instead of a 2X wall thickness one
from automotive and the thread broke near the case. I experienced this,
but the thread
was only cracked as a prefix to failure. I shortened the tube, changed
it to an automotive fitting. The odds are considerably lower for
loosing a oil seal
up front, the pump itself, or a drain plug. The plane appeared
re-buildable.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Craig Payne wrote:
> N601AG owned by Alan Gluff (logically). Says it is a 601HD but doesn't
> list engine type. Of course the press lists it as a "Zin-Aire"
>
> http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=601AG
>
> Looks pretty good for having flipped over. I don't think it is a
> tail-dragger. I wonder how/why the front gear collapsed.
>
> The Zenith database says that the engine is a Subaru conversion. As of
> 2002 the plane had 88 hours on it and the pilot had 600. Built from plans.
>
> -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender screws |
Today I received my fuel senders from ZAC .All the hardware including the
screws were there .Now I am ready to cut the hole in the tank for mounting
senders .Question (I would appreciate several pros & cons )What is the
better location top or side ,should any sealant be used or is the supplied
gasket good enough ,is the 59mm hole in the tank a good number . Thanks
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Wright" <davidhwright@mac.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel Sender screws
>
> Request for info re fuel senders
>
> I am scratch building a 601XL and am at the stage where I fit the fuel
> senders to the tanks. I bought the fuel senders from Zenith but they
> arrived without any screws to attach the senders to the backing plate.
> I note from the photo assembly guide (6K1b) that there is a longer screw
> and a number of short ones. Does anyone have the specification for the
> screws I require?
>
> Dave
> 601XL scratch building (nearly finished right wing)
> Washington UK
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mounting engine with body on stands. |
Jay B also had his gear fabbed and fitted to the fuselage before mounting the engine.
He fitted the gear by raising and lowering the gear for fitting, not raising
and lowering the fuselage. He will do the same when installing the gear.
The gear is not installed because of space limitations in the construction "hanger."
(Garage) You could probably do the same.
He (alias Jay in Dallas)
Do not archive
"Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>Jay B has mounted his engine without the fuselage being on the gear.
>
>I would suggest that you do the required fitting of the gear because, at least
with mine, it required several "on and off" evolutions. I'd hate to think of
doing it with 200 lbs of engine on front.
>
>
>mosquito56 wrote:
>> I am building my plane in my backyard. I am just reaching the point where I
will be putting the body on stands. I was wondering if I can mount the engine
with it on stands or if I need to move it to the driveway to mount the landing
gear first?
>> Airplane will not fit thru gate with landing gear attached.
>> Any thoughts?
>> Don
>>
>> Do not archieve
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144007#144007
>
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| Subject: | Re: mounting engine with body on stands. |
Speaking of yourself in the third person is not a sign of good mental health. But,
you have a good excuse. ;)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:
> Jay B also had his gear fabbed and fitted to the fuselage before mounting the
engine.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith down pilot OK |
Jerry If you look at the rudder the top is bent.
Larry Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeyoung65@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith down pilot OK
do not archive
Would not put too much it to what that reporter (?) said. Bet he just
nosed over. Do not think the rudder could stand a flip over without
bending. Jerry of Ga.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender screws |
wjones(at)brazoriainet.co wrote:
> Today I received my fuel senders from ZAC .All the hardware including the
> screws were there .Now I am ready to cut the hole in the tank for mounting
> senders .Question (I would appreciate several pros & cons )What is the
> better location top or side ,should any sealant be used or is the supplied
> gasket good enough ,is the 59mm hole in the tank a good number . Thanks
> Wade Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
> ---
Hi Wade
I initially made mine a couple of millimeters smaller and then sanded out the hole
until the sender and the screws would just fit . Remember its all about the
angles. I made my hole just big enough to clear the notch on the inside screw
plate. When you tip the assembly at just the right angle it just slips right
in. After I got a good fit, I removed the sender and flushed the tank with medium
pressure water to get rid of any debris. Then I re-installed the sender
and the filler neck. capped off the openings and filled it with fuel to check
for leaks. Don't check for leaks with water, it will ruin the level sender.
HTH
Larry Whitlow
601XL 60% done 90% to go
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender screws |
I installed mine on top because I was sure that I would never get the side mount
to not leak. That's just me, I'm also sure that some if not all of the builders
here could do it.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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chat tonight at 8pm edt http://chat.iahu.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron |
Juan-
Depends on the height of your ladder!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron
> Now that i have your attention! see attached picture of my securing
> device for holding the ailerons flat at tie down time. You have to use a
> wood dowel design for the elevator since it is too heavy for the balls to
> hold up.
>
> Mark, that is two cold brews please.
>
> Juan
>
> -----Forwarded Message-----
>>From: Juan Vega <JVega@carterusa.com>
>>Sent: Nov 5, 2007 12:32 PM
>>To: amyvega2005@earthlink.net
>>Subject:
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron |
That is an ingenious use of your balls.
On Nov 5, 2007 4:24 PM, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
>
> Juan-
> Depends on the height of your ladder!
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
> Townville, Pa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
> To: "Zodiac Forum" <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:07 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron
>
>
> > Now that i have your attention! see attached picture of my securing
> > device for holding the ailerons flat at tie down time. You have to use a
> > wood dowel design for the elevator since it is too heavy for the balls to
> > hold up.
> >
> > Mark, that is two cold brews please.
> >
> > Juan
> >
> > -----Forwarded Message-----
> >>From: Juan Vega <JVega@carterusa.com>
> >>Sent: Nov 5, 2007 12:32 PM
> >>To: amyvega2005@earthlink.net
> >>Subject:
> >>
> >
>
>
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Sean Moore
moore.sean@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: mounting engine with body on stands. |
I always thought it was considered normal for nobility.
Don
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: A picture of My Balls holding an aileron |
Over the radio we are going to be able to tell who fell off the ladder !
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| Subject: | Monday night Chat |
Is anyone else having problems logging in to the Monday Night chat room?
I can visit other sites but can't log in.
MArk
11/5/2007 7:11 PM
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| Subject: | Re:Zenith down pilot OK |
Zenith rudder hinges are surprisingly strong. But no way meant to provide the
only roll over protection. You still need some kind of roll over structure in
the cockpit area to protect occupants. Crashes don't always happen on soft
ground. Concrete is unforgiving. Thankfully the nose fuel tank (if equipped) or
its hardware did not allow fuel to spill. Remember the Sonex in Texas couple
of months ago? Some years ago, airshow pilot Charlie Hilliard died after a nose
over. The roll over structure had been recently removed. (?)
RTD
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru Engine Price Outlook |
Gentlemen,
While this is a public forum, it is about... and for idiots like me who love to
fly stuff that they made. I don't care who you are or where you come from or
how much money you have or may not have. Lots of places for these things to be
discussed, just not here.
Kevin
PS
Pete, thanks for trying, the reasons are pretty clear.
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Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Monday night Chat |
what was it doing ?
to save some cash (the old server was costing me $101 a mo as a colo) i cut
the old one and am running it off my home box ... try
http://sudbury.iahu.ca:8000/chat/ (chat. just redirects)
On 11/5/07, ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Is anyone else having problems logging in to the Monday Night chat room?
> I can visit other sites but can't log in.
>
> MArk
>
>
> 11/5/2007 7:11 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel selector location? |
Hi Steve,
Thanks for adding to the tank choice discussion. I think I have the
whole picture now.
I believe fuel injected aircraft engines require a fuel return
line. This somehow returns excess fuel from the injection pump to
the fuel tank. I guess there is a standard that in small low wing
planes, the left tank is the return location of choice. That makes
the left tank the best choice for first fuel burn.
While there is no necessary relationship between big planes and fuel
injection it is an advanced feature that can often be found on more
expensive planes. I have more hours in the C-172XP than any other
plane. This has a Continental IO-360 installed - a 6 cylinder fuel
injected engine. It is the smoothest running airplane engine I have
ever experienced. I have also flown a Piper Arrow with a Lycoming
IO-360 which has only 4 cylinders and doesn't run nearly as smoothly.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:32 AM 11/5/2007, you wrote:
>Paul and you guys.
>I learned to fly in 1965 in a BeechCraft. I was taught from day one
>to use the left tank first because in the "bigger" airplanes the
>fuel pump would feed fuel to the engine. Any excess fuel that wasnt
>needed by the engine would be returned by the system to the left tank...
>Using the right tank first and having excess returned to the left
>would allow fuel to overflow out the vent....
>I ve always "assumed" that was the straight scoop and never
>questioned my instructor. Instructors are experts, now I are one...
>
>SW
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