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0. 12:43 AM - If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! :-) (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:13 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 12:25 AM - Re: riveter nosepieces (burbby)
3. 12:43 AM - Re: Re:Re:3 Zodiacs down in 4 days. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
4. 01:44 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Powerplant Choices (Art Olechowski)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (GLJSOJ1)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Dynon remote compass location (hansriet)
8. 09:14 AM - Re: riveter nosepieces (hansriet)
9. 10:14 AM - Plans Built 601 Parts and Pieces For Sale (George Race)
10. 11:14 AM - Re: 5 Important mistakes (Southern Reflections)
11. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: riveter nosepieces (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
12. 12:44 PM - Re: XL Cable rigging and fairlead (Dave Nixon)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop ()
14. 01:45 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop (Gig Giacona)
15. 01:50 PM - Re: Plans Built 601 Parts and Pieces For Sale (mosquito56)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: mounting engine with body on stands. (mosquito56)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: Dynon remote compass location ()
18. 02:46 PM - Re: riveter nosepieces (Bryan Martin)
19. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop (LarryMcFarland)
20. 08:35 PM - Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install (txpilot)
21. 11:20 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop (Gig Giacona)
22. 11:21 PM - Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install (Gig Giacona)
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| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
Over 100 hours no problems
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| Subject: | Re: riveter nosepieces |
I bought a cheep pop rivet hand gun to get extra nose pieces. I was carefull to
make sure they were the same type used in my air gun... if you find a better
way of getting them let me know I could use a extra set again.
Thanks
Gary Bassham
601 XL
Millsap, TX
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| Subject: | Re: RE:Re:3 Zodiacs down in 4 days. |
Try summit racing
In a message dated 11/9/2007 12:56:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
psm@att.net writes:
I've heard of these devices, and would love to install them in my
plane. Alas, I don't know how to find them.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
We first thought it might be a problem and were prepared to move it but it
tracks dead on with the vertical card frankly I was more worried about radio
interference but everything works great. I like this setup because everything
is so compact.
In a message dated 11/8/2007 11:47:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dredmoody@cox.net writes:
That looks like a very problematic location for the remote magnetometer.
Looks like there are a lot of high current and magnetic field producing stuff
in
the immediate area. Am I missing something in these photos?
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| Subject: | Re: Powerplant Choices |
Paul,
Since I'm asking such elementary questions, I'm a bit embarrassed to mention this
at this point
but I do have an A&P, so several years back I was quite familiar with the concept
of fixed,
ground-adjustable, controllable, constant speed etc...props. However, I've never
practiced with
my A&P in the GA world only on heavies. With that said, I'm trying revive all
that good info I
was taught in school relating to GA because as the old saying goes "if you don't
use it, you lose
it".
I do agree a constant speed, controllable or a two position controllable pitch
prop would be the
ideal solution to match the UL engine rpm with prop pitch to obtain the best climb
and cruise
performance.
I still believe that the UL could achieve 3300RPM in climb with the correct prop
pitch and swing
but the inability to increase prop pitch at cruise would jepordize your speed capability
as
mentioned by Ralph and if power was not reduced at straight and level the engine
would be over
redlined as you mentioned. At this point, I'm not certain I would want to tinker
enough to find
the best performance comprimise but the UL engine features sure do look appealing...
Thanks for the refresher course, if we cross paths in the future I owe you both
a beer.
do not archive
Art
--- Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Art,
>
> I think the whole subject of prop pitch vs. rpm vs. horsepower and
> torque is a bit too complicated for the simple statements you made.
>
> The ideal solution to all this would be to have a variable pitch
> propeller with a governor that adjusts the prop pitch to give the
> desired rpm at the current engine setting and flight condition (climb
> or descend or level flight). Such a device already has been invented
> - it is called a constant speed propeller. All high performance
> planes with propellers are equipped with this gizmo. This is clearly
> the ideal solution for performance at the expense of complex
> equipment with corresponding cost. It also gives a poorly trained
> pilot the opportunity to break the engine if he sets the controls
> improperly. I presume it is for these reasons (cost and risk) that
> this wonderful equipment is denied to Sport Pilots.
>
> If you are limited to fixed (or ground adjustable) propellers then
> you must find a compromise between climb and cruise performance. If
> you use a propeller that gives you maximum rpm during climb then it
> will exceed the rpm redline if full throttle is applied under cruise
> conditions. This is not a good choice. Usually a prop is chosen
> that allows for maximum cruise rpm with a reduced climb capability or
> maximum climb capability with reduced cruise speed.
>
> I hope this helps you understand the basic problem of propeller
> choices. If you know which type of performance you want most then a
> salesman from the propeller company can tell you which prop to
> purchase. That is the easy part.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
> At 11:28 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >Ralph,
> >Thanks for your response I'm just trying to get educated maybe its
> >time to for me to do some more
> >reading...but is it not true that RPM is controlled by throttle
> >input and prop pitch and limited
> >by HP? I guess I don't understand why the pitch of the prop could
> >not be adjusted (reduced pitch
> >angle) such that 3300rpm can be obtained during climb with the
> >result of decreased climb
> >performance? Now this definitely defeats the capability of STOL
> >flight profile but still possible,
> >right?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
I WAS ORIGINALLY PUTTING MINE JUST UNDER THE STABILIZER, HOWEVER WHEN I USED MY
HANDY DANDY ELECTRONIC LEVEL TO GET IT LEVEL, I MAGNETIZED THE STEEL CABLES
TO THE ELEVATOR WITH THE MAGNETS IN THE BOTTOM OF IT.. THEN I HAD TO MOVE IT
TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FUSELAGE IN THE TAIL AND SEEMS TO WORK FINE.
GLENN
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601XL BUILDER
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
Thanks for all your replies. Seems that the tail is a better place to mount the
remote compass. That means that I can put off the purchase for a little longer.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: riveter nosepieces |
I ordered some extra nose pieces via the Harbor Freight customer service. I don't
remember exactly but I think I paid in the order of $10 for the set plus $7
shipping.
hans
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| Subject: | Plans Built 601 Parts and Pieces For Sale |
Listeners:
Our EAA Chapter has been the recipient of one or our members CH-601HD plans
built project.
Our goal is to turn the project into some cash for the Chapter and make some
future flyer a great deal.
You can see pictures of what is in the "pile" at:
http://www.eaa304.com/zenair.htm
The workmanship is very good on the completed components. Completed are the
Rudder, Elevator and Stabilizer, Center Fuselage with Wing Stubs, Wing Spars
and Ribs, Firewall, and a lot more of the smaller parts. Has to be seen to
realize how much stuff comes with the package. A couple of pickup truck
loads in all. Included are the complete Zenith Plans and Information
package as well.
Lots of spare materials. Can't say for sure but it looks like enough sheet
aluminum to complete the wings and balance of the fuselage. Also a lot of
spare aluminum materials of all shapes and sizes.
The pictures do not do the project justice and were taken in a hurry by one
of the Members. If you are seriously interested I would be happy to take
some high quality digital pictures of what is there and send them your way
by email.
You could also fly into KJXN, Jackson Michigan, and taxi right up to the EAA
Hangar and inspect what is there for yourself. Would need to know you were
coming to make sure someone was there to greet you. Most days the Chapter
Club House is open between 8 AM and Noon.
For more information you can contact EAA Chapter 304 President, Earl Scott
at (517) 783-3988, or you can email me for additional details or to make
arrangements for a visit or additional pictures. My direct email is:
george@mrrace.com
We are thinking a reasonable good price for all that is there will be in the
area of $4000 for everything as a package. Will consider any offers that
are made for the package. Crating and Shipping is not an option for the
Chapter, and you will be responsible for making the arrangements to get it
to your location.
George - Building CH-701
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| Subject: | Re: 5 Important mistakes |
Very helpful, Zodie. Thank's Joe N101HD 601XL/ RAM
----- Original Message -----
From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 5 Important mistakes
>
> I would like to take a shot at this one.
>
> Engines: Going outside of the box with limited knowledge. It is
> acceptable to install and run conversions, some are easier then others.
> For example I happily will install a Corvair, Geo, Volkswagen and a
> Subaru. These engines I am quite familiar with and would think nothing
> of completely stripping down and re-building. However, I could never
> install a Rotary ,Radial, turbine or a diesel as I have no knowledge
> whatsoever on how to work on them. No matter which route you go even
> with a FWF kit and a Aircraft motor, take the time to do it right and
> learn all you can, for Jabiru and Rotax, It could just mean buying one
> of www.homebuilthelp.com installation DVD's to supplement your paper
> ones.
>
> Making changes to airframe without designers approval, removing slats
> that have been incorporated into the planes design loads, changing wings
> or major modifications.
>
> Time in type, prepare yourself for 5 hours in type plane before flying
> your own. Also NEVER tell ANYONE the time or day of your first flight.
> You should only ever have one spectator and they are there to hold fire
> extinguisher and write down #'s from your radio calls. Never have an
> audience that may force you to fly on a day you or your plane may not be
> ready for.
>
> High speed Taxi, no such a thing in a 601 or a 701, high speed taxi is
> done on the way to the runway, just faster then a jog. Always plan on a
> circuit, once you apply power to a 601 or a 701 they will be in the air,
> plan for this and do a circuit, If you try to slam it down because it
> took off when you didn't expect, you will be doing repairs.
> Most accidents happen at this time, though most are also minor.
> Only do one circuit, land your plane and inspect it, have a coffee,
> whatever to get the adrenalin rush out of your system, and the smile
> down to a smirk so you can concentrate again.
>
> Never take anyone's advice as truth! ANYONES! There are some great
> people on this list and there are some highly skilled people on this
> list. The advice from someone who is highly skilled comes with a
> background that developed the advice. It may sound good and work very
> well for them, but it may not work at all for you. Take everything in,
> ask many questions no matter how silly you may feel they are. Write down
> all the answers and decide which is right for you, which is appropriate
> for your circumstance. If still in doubt, write it up and submit it to
> Zenith (or Can-Zac for Canadians) if it is major and requires a higher
> knowledge then it will be approved by Chris Heintz himself.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> <purplemoon99@bellsouth.net>
>
> Larry, I dont want to put you on the spot BUT, what would you say are
> the 5
> most important mistakes made on engines or aircraft,not flying mistakes.
>
> Thank's Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM
>
>
> 11/8/2007 9:29 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: riveter nosepieces |
I got one tool from Zenith and one from HF. The nose piece had difference
threads. DO NOT ARCHIVE
Jerry of GA
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| Subject: | Re: XL Cable rigging and fairlead |
That angle bracket has to be installed per plans. The construction manual doesn't
address it. As for cable rigging, after the drawings on page 6B-23 you are
pretty much on your own. In my particular instance, I didn't use turnbuckles
at the 6B-17 Elevator horn. I used DETAIL "S" instead and put the turnbuckles
above the access hole in the rear of the fuselage for ease of adjustment, tension
monitoring and double spiral wrapping with .041 wire. I couldn't even
see the the bottom of the 6B-17 elevator horn let alone work on adjusting and
safety wiring. I think Zenith really missed this one. But I figured it out and
you can too. That's why this list works. Also, it is interesting to note that
Northern Tool has the same 1/8" cable for a lot less, so if you mess up get
it from them after you have checked out their cable.
Dave Nixon
CH 601XL with Jabiru 3300
90% complete /90% To Go
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop |
I strongly considered the Ivoprop with my lyc 0-235. The issues that lead me to
choose the Warp drive prop were; the Medium prop is only rated (according to
their website) for 100 hp on direct drive engines. Also using an in-flight adjustable
prop prohibits the plane from being flown under LSA rules. I know of
one individual running an Ivoprop and he installed the Magnum, which is twice
the weight at 26 pounds. I really liked the idea of an in-flight adjustable prop
but I think the Warp drive optimized for cruise will work fine for me.
Craig S.
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the Australian Jabiru
FWF,as compared to the US version, for the XL.
Also, Ivoprop makes an electrically adjustable prop they claim will fit
on the 3300, any comments on this?
Darryl.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop |
Completely unscientific but interesting none the less.
A Google search with the words
Ivo prop failures produces 60,400 results
Warp Drive Prop failures produces 14,900
Sensenich Prop failures produces only 970
Now think about how long Sensenich has been in business.
Also admittedly many people probably misspell Sensenich but I'll still go with
them.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Built 601 Parts and Pieces For Sale |
Crating and shipping not an option takes about 3/4 of the country out of the loop.
You could have a "let's crate this puppy up" day and make a few extra bucks
for the chapter.
I was going to step 2 when I noticed your info on crating. I live on the bottom
of the country and you live on the top.
Ahh well, just my 3 cents worth
Don
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: mounting engine with body on stands. |
What could that possible have to do with the subject of Mounting engines. How
could anyone think this was the place to inquire about getting another type of
list.
LETS TRY TO STAY ON SUBJECT PLEASE!!!!!
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon remote compass location |
You can, however download the installation instructions in advance to help you
plan your mount.
Dred
---- hansriet <hansinla@mac.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for all your replies. Seems that the tail is a better place to mount the
remote compass. That means that I can put off the purchase for a little longer.
>
> Hans
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| Subject: | Re: riveter nosepieces |
I bought the Harbor Freight riveter and ordered replacement heads for
it. It came with a replacement parts list and I used the phone number
on the form to order the heads. I paid about four dollars including
shipping.
On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Darrell Haas wrote:
> I'm getting ready to be another zenith homebuilder and wanted to have
> Zenith grind out a couple of air riveter nosepieces for me but since
> I have a habit of losing things I thought I would have two of each
> nosepieces made. PROBLEM- I can't find extra nosepieces anywhere. I
> plan to buy the Harbor Freight central Pneumatic air riveter ( NOW on
> sale for $27.83 where I live). They don't carry extra nosepieces here.
> Anyone know where I can find them? By the way do all nosepieces fit
> other riveters? Hand and air? Thanks for any help.
> Darrell Haas
> 601XL builder- Coming soon
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop |
Gig,
The search doesn't say whether these were failures contemplated,
failures searched or failure to go as fast as desired.
You need a better stick than that. Warp Drive owners props are lifetime
warranted which is hard to beat.
Lycoming is old too and still paying for their bad cranks.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
do not archive
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> Completely unscientific but interesting none the less.
>
> A Google search with the words
>
> Ivo prop failures produces 60,400 results
>
> Warp Drive Prop failures produces 14,900
>
> Sensenich Prop failures produces only 970
>
> Now think about how long Sensenich has been in business.
>
> Also admittedly many people probably misspell Sensenich but I'll still go with
them.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144838#144838
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| Subject: | Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install |
I'm currently working on my electrical system using Bob Nuckoll's 'Aeroelectric
Design' book as a guide. This book is an excellent resource, but I'm not sure
about his suggestion not to install an avionics master switch. He claims it
causes more problems than it solves because the switch itself can be a single
point of failure for all avionics.
He also says modern avionics are robust enough to take voltage fluctuations and
therefore don't need an AMS. I'm planning on installing relatively old technology
radios: KX-155, KT-76A and a standard sigtronics intercom.
Any thoughts? What's everyone else doing? BTW - I'm not intending on installing
a secondary AMS. This is a day VFR only airplane and I'm trying to keep it
simple.
Thanks,
Dan Ginty
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Jabiru FWF Ivoprop |
Larry, I said it was completely unscientific but I think the difference between
the three with that search term is interesting. That's big ass difference.
larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote:
> Gig,
> The search doesn't say whether these were failures contemplated,
> failures searched or failure to go as fast as desired.
> You need a better stick than that. Warp Drive owners props are lifetime
> warranted which is hard to beat.
> Lycoming is old too and still paying for their bad cranks.
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install |
All I can say is I've never flown and aircraft that had an electrical system that
didn't have one. That doesn't make it right but...
txpilot wrote:
> I'm currently working on my electrical system using Bob Nuckoll's 'Aeroelectric
Design' book as a guide. This book is an excellent resource, but I'm not sure
about his suggestion not to install an avionics master switch. He claims
it causes more problems than it solves because the switch itself can be a single
point of failure for all avionics.
>
> He also says modern avionics are robust enough to take voltage fluctuations and
therefore don't need an AMS. I'm planning on installing relatively old technology
radios: KX-155, KT-76A and a standard sigtronics intercom.
>
> Any thoughts? What's everyone else doing? BTW - I'm not intending on installing
a secondary AMS. This is a day VFR only airplane and I'm trying to keep
it simple.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Ginty
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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