---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/12/07: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - Re: The Yard Store (Michael Hilderbrand) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (kmccune) 3. 05:18 AM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (Tommy Walker) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Coming Soon (ashontz) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install (ashontz) 6. 07:44 AM - Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install (ashontz) 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install () 8. 09:12 AM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (David Barth) 9. 09:39 AM - Re: The Yard Store (David Downey) 10. 11:16 AM - Re: The Yard Store (Gig Giacona) 11. 12:24 PM - Re: Powerplant Choices (ashontz) 12. 12:38 PM - Re: Zenith-access panel (Joe) 13. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Powerplant Choices (David Downey) 14. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Powerplant Choices (Dave G.) 15. 02:49 PM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (John Marzulli) 16. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Powerplant Choices (ZodieRocket) 17. 05:12 PM - Van's vents in 601 HD? (Bill Steer) 18. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install (Bryan Martin) 19. 05:58 PM - Re: Van's vents in 601 HD? (George Swinford) 20. 07:49 PM - what size screw?? (Carlos Sa) 21. 07:57 PM - Re: riveter nosepieces (Dave Thompson) 22. 08:52 PM - Re: Van's vents in 601 HD? (Peter Chapman) 23. 09:13 PM - Re: what size screw?? (Edward Moody II) 24. 09:15 PM - Re: The Yard Store (JohnDRead@aol.com) 25. 09:17 PM - Re: Van's vents in 601 HD? (George Swinford) 26. 09:59 PM - riveter nosepiece (Darrell Haas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:20 AM PST US From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Yard Store They are still in business, I just went there last Friday.. Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "JohnDRead@aol.com" Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:04:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: The Yard Store Hello All: Does any one know if the Yard Store is still in business? I have been unable to get to them on the web. Do not archive John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 See wh ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) From: "kmccune" Congrats! Beautiful airplane! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145329#145329 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:56 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) Congratulations Rick!! Folks, that is one good-looking 701. Plus, Rick is one of the better builders around. I learned a lot from him. Hey Rick, got any photos or video? Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive.. "Another fine Zenith aircraft took to the sky at 7:30 AM local this morning. N701RR came to life and flew two complete circuits. What a surprise! Now the panels come off for a look-see. BTW..she's a Zenith 701 with slats Vs VGs, auto conversion Geo Metro 1.3L with IVO inflight adjustable prop, avionics master switch, and..GULP, I did use green Scotchbrite??? Special thanks to all the folks at Zenith then all my peeps that gave me support and help along the way: First to my WIFE, then Tommy Walker, Randy Fortune, Jon Croke, Mark-ZodieRocket, Larry McFarland. (I've been watching NASCAR too much!)" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Coming Soon From: "ashontz" kmccune wrote: > Not as much as I hate buying jewelry :D -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145380#145380 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds8_324.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds7_208.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds6_145.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds5_102.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds3_956.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds4_131.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds1_597.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds2_113.bmp http://forums.matronics.com//files/diamonds1_174.bmp ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install From: "ashontz" I belive it's a good idea to turn off the avionocs before turning on or off the engine due to possible electrical spikes from what I remember. They should be protected, but even so. Plus, let's say you forgot to shut off one of the instruments, or say the fuel tank level gauge or another such instrument like a temperature gauge, that's still drawing power albeit a little bit, like leaving a your dome light on in the car, well, not as serious of a draw of current, but still. Come back 3 weeks later to fly and you're battery could be seriously drained. do not archive txpilot wrote: > I'm currently working on my electrical system using Bob Nuckoll's 'Aeroelectric Design' book as a guide. This book is an excellent resource, but I'm not sure about his suggestion not to install an avionics master switch. He claims it causes more problems than it solves because the switch itself can be a single point of failure for all avionics. > > He also says modern avionics are robust enough to take voltage fluctuations and therefore don't need an AMS. I'm planning on installing relatively old technology radios: KX-155, KT-76A and a standard sigtronics intercom. > > Any thoughts? What's everyone else doing? BTW - I'm not intending on installing a secondary AMS. This is a day VFR only airplane and I'm trying to keep it simple. > > Thanks, > > Dan Ginty -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145385#145385 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install From: "ashontz" Actually, if anything it may may the installation cleaner, you have everything going back to a common terminal strip anyway, I would hope anyway, not a big deal to just add a switch to that whole terminal strip. Or how about if you're doing maintenance later in and around one of those instruments, instead of disconnecting the whole battery you can just flip the switch off and be able to work around the instruments without worrying about shorting something out. Plus you can add a breaker to the whole terminal block that services the instruments. Seems like a "best practices" thing to me to add a master switch. When I get to the point of doing my instrument panel I'd like the whole thing to be able to just slide out and have the terminal block and everything on a tray along with the instruments, that way I can install all the instruments on my work bench and then just slide the tray in and connected one or two wiring harnesses. Nothing beats clean installations. Make it easier to work on for sure. do not archive. jetboy wrote: > I went with simple, no avionics master, and I never bother turning the stuff I normally run (KY97a) on or off either. That just wears out the controls. I have run this same radio in 2 planes over the last 15 years, no problems. It was in a C150A with the pull starter and generator, no avionics master, not even the 'dump the radios while the keyswitch is cranking' facility. > > Those 'older' radios are compliant to DOD 160, something that some of the newer round hole mount types seem to be lacking. You can tell the cheap ones by the messages on their websites about "must install after avionics master and xx,000 uF capacitor" The problem with these is they actually have no physical switch of their own, and the electronic switch is 'susceptible', so this class of device does benefit from a separate switch. > > I'm with Bob's philosophy here, and if things go bad on a murky day you really just want to fly the airplane without getting mixed up in complicated systems that lead to more troubles than you started with. Sorry it doesnt make for a very impressive cockpit, bit like when I got into a Piper Cub after training in C172's and literally wondered if I could safely fly this machine because it lacked almost every item that I thought was needed for the journey. And it didnt have an avionics master. > > Ralph -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145388#145388 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:20 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install If absolute simplicity is not the goal, you should have the avionics master switch supply an avionics bus as you said, but coming from that bus, each electrical consumer should have its own breaker or fuse with the appropriate amp rating to protect the one appliance it serves. I know from painful experience burning out a Ray Allen servo system that lumping things in under one breaker rated for the sum of all the users is not a great idea. Dred ---- ashontz wrote: > > Actually, if anything it may may the installation cleaner, you have everything going back to a common terminal strip anyway, I would hope anyway, not a big deal to just add a switch to that whole terminal strip. Or how about if you're doing maintenance later in and around one of those instruments, instead of disconnecting the whole battery you can just flip the switch off and be able to work around the instruments without worrying about shorting something out. Plus you can add a breaker to the whole terminal block that services the instruments. Seems like a "best practices" thing to me to add a master switch. > > When I get to the point of doing my instrument panel I'd like the whole thing to be able to just slide out and have the terminal block and everything on a tray along with the instruments, that way I can install all the instruments on my work bench and then just slide the tray in and connected one or two wiring harnesses. Nothing beats clean installations. Make it easier to work on for sure. > > do not archive. > > > jetboy wrote: > > I went with simple, no avionics master, and I never bother turning the stuff I normally run (KY97a) on or off either. That just wears out the controls. I have run this same radio in 2 planes over the last 15 years, no problems. It was in a C150A with the pull starter and generator, no avionics master, not even the 'dump the radios while the keyswitch is cranking' facility. > > > > Those 'older' radios are compliant to DOD 160, something that some of the newer round hole mount types seem to be lacking. You can tell the cheap ones by the messages on their websites about "must install after avionics master and xx,000 uF capacitor" The problem with these is they actually have no physical switch of their own, and the electronic switch is 'susceptible', so this class of device does benefit from a separate switch. > > > > I'm with Bob's philosophy here, and if things go bad on a murky day you really just want to fly the airplane without getting mixed up in complicated systems that lead to more troubles than you started with. Sorry it doesnt make for a very impressive cockpit, bit like when I got into a Piper Cub after training in C172's and literally wondered if I could safely fly this machine because it lacked almost every item that I thought was needed for the journey. And it didnt have an avionics master. > > > > Ralph > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145388#145388 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:42 AM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) Congratulations Rick! I have been looking for this email. Have a lot of fun and fly safely buddy. David --- rroberts wrote: > > > Another fine Zenith aircraft took to the sky at 7:30 > AM local this morning. N701RR came to life and flew > two complete circuits. What a surprise! Now the > panels come off for a look-see. BTW..she's a Zenith > 701 with slats Vs VGs, auto conversion Geo Metro > 1.3L with IVO inflight adjustable prop, avionics > master switch, and..GULP, I did use green > Scotchbrite??? > > Special thanks to all the folks at Zenith then all > my peeps that gave me support and help along the > way: First to my WIFE, then Tommy Walker, Randy > Fortune, Jon Croke, Mark-ZodieRocket, Larry > McFarland. (I've been watching NASCAR too much!) > > Rick > www.n701RR.com > > -------- > Low & Slow > Rick > www.n701rr.com > > David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:03 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Yard Store I just received a mailed flyer from them last week... JohnDRead@aol.com wrote: Hello All: Does any one know if the Yard Store is still in business? I have been unable to get to them on the web. Do not archive John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 --------------------------------- See wh Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: The Yard Store From: "Gig Giacona" http://www.yardstore.com/ Just worked for me. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145458#145458 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices From: "ashontz" Does 20hp really make that much of a difference? The 601HD was originally designed for 65hp if I'm not mistaken. I've heard that it takes 25% more power to go 10% faster. Personally, I'd guess that an 80hp engine, even on a 601XL is sufficient. Just an analogy here. I used to have a 18' aluminum starcraft boat. Originally it had a 140hp engine on it, It did about 48mph with that arrangement, maybe 50 tops. I took that off and mounted a 70hp evinrude. With the 70hp engine, the boat went a solid 36mph, or about a 25% reduction in speed for a 50% reduction in power, there was no major noticable difference in getting it up on plane either. From everything everyone is describing of the 601XL with a 100hp engine and how it has about double the climb numbers of a Cessna 152, I'd have to imagine an 80hp instead of 100hp is not that big of a difference, certainly not to the point that it would be a safety concern. The 601XL is considerably lighter than a Cessna 152, and if I'm not mistaken, an O-200 is actually rated at like 90hp, not 100hp. So an XL with an 80hp engine would still seem 'zippy' by comparison I'd have to imagine. do not archive -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145470#145470 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:56 PM PST US From: "Joe" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-access panel Pat: I'm Joe Ham from Mount Holly, NC; Phone: 704/827-1303. I would appreciate any pictures you might have of your airplane and the access panel. How much of any extension did you have to put on your engine to extend the prop? What is the best time to call you on the phone...as I will have many questions. THANKS :-) JOE ----- Original Message ----- From: passpat@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 0-235 Prop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:39 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices seems like it might make it harder to ham-hand as well. Does 20hp really make that much of a difference? The 601HD was originally designed for 65hp if I'm not mistaken. I've heard that it takes 25% more power to go 10% faster. Personally, I'd guess that an 80hp engine, even on a 601XL is sufficient. Just an analogy here. I used to have a 18' aluminum starcraft boat. Originally it had a 140hp engine on it, It did about 48mph with that arrangement, maybe 50 tops. I took that off and mounted a 70hp evinrude. With the 70hp engine, the boat went a solid 36mph, or about a 25% reduction in speed for a 50% reduction in power, there was no major noticable difference in getting it up on plane either. From everything everyone is describing of the 601XL with a 100hp engine and how it has about double the climb numbers of a Cessna 152, I'd have to imagine an 80hp instead of 100hp is not that big of a difference, certainly not to the point that it would be a safety concern. The 601XL is considerably lighter than a Cessna 152, and if I'm not mistaken, an O-200 is actually rated at like 90hp, not 100hp. So an XL with an 80hp engine would still seem 'zippy' by comparison I'd have to imagine. do not archive -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145470#145470 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:02 PM PST US From: "Dave G." Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices An 80 HP 912 should be more than enough. That doesn't mean it's enough for everyone, there is a LARGE segment of aviation who adhere to the more is always better philosophy. IF they could mount 200hp on a 601, they would. My old BMW motorcycle has a thirty something HP engine, the same frame was available with engines up to 2/3 larger. There are a lot of people trying to extract more HP from that larger engine in the belief that they don't have enough power. If you simply want to fly a relaxing and enjoyable plane 80 is enough, if you want to hit pattern altitude before you have used up a 1000 ft runway, you'll need more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashontz" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices > > Does 20hp really make that much of a difference? The 601HD was originally > designed for 65hp if I'm not mistaken. > > I've heard that it takes 25% more power to go 10% faster. Personally, I'd > guess that an 80hp engine, even on a 601XL is sufficient. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:21 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) Congrats! It's always an inspiration to see another get done and fly. Happy flying! On Nov 12, 2007 9:11 AM, David Barth wrote: > > Congratulations Rick! I have been looking for this > email. Have a lot of fun and fly safely buddy. > David > > --- rroberts wrote: > > > > > > > Another fine Zenith aircraft took to the sky at 7:30 > > AM local this morning. N701RR came to life and flew > > two complete circuits. What a surprise! Now the > > panels come off for a look-see. BTW..she's a Zenith > > 701 with slats Vs VGs, auto conversion Geo Metro > > 1.3L with IVO inflight adjustable prop, avionics > > master switch, and..GULP, I did use green > > Scotchbrite??? > > > > Special thanks to all the folks at Zenith then all > > my peeps that gave me support and help along the > > way: First to my WIFE, then Tommy Walker, Randy > > Fortune, Jon Croke, Mark-ZodieRocket, Larry > > McFarland. (I've been watching NASCAR too much!) > > > > Rick > > www.n701RR.com > > > > -------- > > Low & Slow > > Rick > > www.n701rr.com > > > > > > David Barth > 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? > Working on Wings > www.ch601.org > > __________________________________________________ > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:23 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices I love this conversation, when is enough , enough? Well never, but when is enough adequate, that is the question. Lets look at the 701 she will happily put along on 60hp shes will have adequate stol performance and cruise at an appreciable 70 mph. But no one installs a 582 anymore, everyone installs a Rotax 912, this is a great performer and your plane will cruise at a robust 90 mph with some clean up, stol performance will be enviable to everyone. If you are buying a used 912 and getting a great deal then you have the perfect engine, but if your buying new then the 912S is typically only $1,500 dollars more. SO for that extra cash which in the whole cost isn't that much, you have a plane that can cruise at 95-105 mph, STOL is sickening to anyone's stomach and it climbs vertically. DO we need this? Not for most of us, but lets look at the 100 deg day at 5000 ft strip. Would the engine that didn't cost much extra, uses little more in fuel burn and weighs the same as the lower hp motor not make more sense? 20 hp makes a big difference if it isn't a big difference in the pocket book. Now lets look at the 914, here is another 15 hp above the 912S we cannot cruise any faster because we are already close to Vne we won't notice the climb rate unless we are at high altitude. Plus the engine is $14,000 more then the 100hp this is the value that does not make sense. The engine will not do anything more for us, but it will cost us a hell of a lot more. We will not realize value for performance. Both the 912 and 912S are capable of the same slow flight cost is of little difference when new, so in this case the extra 20 hp are desirable. In the 601HD she will happily put along on 70hp, but at that fly-in that you landed at first thing this morning and the heat when crazy will I have enough runway to take off? Having more HP is not just for flying faster, it is for the ability to use the resources we want to. A short strip on a very hot day may be too much for a low powered plane. That extra 20hp may make the difference. The problem is to know when airframe gain is eclipsed by pocketbook drain. IF you can afford a 70 hp motor, but the 90 hp is less then a couple thousand it is sometimes better to wait that little extra, remember your going to have this plane a long time as a rule. But if were looking at a huge difference in cost then 70 hp is adequate and you will still have a fun plane. Though you will also be aware that some runways and situations may not be advisable for you. Heat and altitude conditions are more critical. There is always a limit. More is not always better, but if it is within reason to costs and airframe then more may be desirable. When it comes down to a Rotax 912 over the 912S, in Canada the cost difference is less then $1,500.00 for this amount I can never recommend the straight 912 unless you are able to find a half time one for a good cost. Only then do you have a reasonable value for HP output. Look over your options, Look over your abilities, look at your mission. These things will dictate which each of us will desire, not the other fellow that may fly a different mission. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. president@can-zacaviation.com www.can-zacaviation.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave G. Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices An 80 HP 912 should be more than enough. That doesn't mean it's enough for everyone, there is a LARGE segment of aviation who adhere to the more is always better philosophy. IF they could mount 200hp on a 601, they would. My old BMW motorcycle has a thirty something HP engine, the same frame was available with engines up to 2/3 larger. There are a lot of people trying to extract more HP from that larger engine in the belief that they don't have enough power. If you simply want to fly a relaxing and enjoyable plane 80 is enough, if you want to hit pattern altitude before you have used up a 1000 ft runway, you'll need more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashontz" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Powerplant Choices > > Does 20hp really make that much of a difference? The 601HD was originally > designed for 65hp if I'm not mistaken. > > I've heard that it takes 25% more power to go 10% faster. Personally, I'd > guess that an 80hp engine, even on a 601XL is sufficient. > 11/11/2007 9:50 PM 11/11/2007 9:50 PM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:10 PM PST US From: Bill Steer Subject: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? Has anybody used the Van's SV-COMBO vent kit in a 601HD? Is there enough room to install the NACA opening between the sidewall stiffeners aft of the firewall? Thanks for any info. Bill ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:07 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Avionics Master Switch: To install, or not to install The fuses are there to protect the wiring, not the devices that are connected to it. A fuse or breaker will not prevent an electrical device from shorting out internally and frying, but it will prevent that short circuited device from overheating the wiring and filling the cockpit with smoke. A fuse or circuit breaker rating is determined by the size of the smallest interconnect wiring supplied by that fuse. The biggest advantage of dividing up the electrical load into smaller chunks with more fuses is that you may save weight overall by using smaller supply wire on all those circuits since modern fuse blocks with mini fuses are much lighter than the old style individual sockets for glass fuses. On Nov 12, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wrote: > > If absolute simplicity is not the goal, you should have the > avionics master switch supply an avionics bus as you said, but > coming from that bus, each electrical consumer should have its own > breaker or fuse with the appropriate amp rating to protect the one > appliance it serves. I know from painful experience burning out a > Ray Allen servo system that lumping things in under one breaker > rated for the sum of all the users is not a great idea. > > Dred > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:30 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? Bill: I installed Van's NACA inlets and cockpit air outlets in my 601HD. It was some time ago, so I'm not sure if they are the same as the SV-Combo kit. The opening in the side skin measures 137mm long by 70mm at the widest point, if that helps to identify them. The NACA inlets are installed just below the upper longeron with the centerline of the inlet parallel to the longeron and about 55mm below the edge of the upper skin. The forward edge of the inlet is 165mm aft of the firewall rivet line. I located the cockpit air outlets just below the outboard corners of the instrument panel. Since the airplane is still languishing in my garage I can't tell you how effective they are. The installation was not difficult at all. I can scan a couple of pictures if that would be helpful. Let me know off list. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Steer" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? > > Has anybody used the Van's SV-COMBO vent kit in a 601HD? Is there > enough room to install the NACA opening between the sidewall stiffeners > aft of the firewall? > > Thanks for any info. > > Bill > > > -- 11/12/2007 12:56 PM > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:00 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Zenith-List: what size screw?? Hello, all I have spent a couple of hours trying to figure this one out, but no luck. I want to use anchor nut K1100 ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08086.pdf ) with machine screws NAS514 ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08093.pdf ). I want to dimple the part where the anchor nut will be riveted, so the screw will sit flush. Dimple die sets are sold for screws #6, #8 and #10 (for instance: http://www.averytools.com/p-858-screw-dimplers.aspx ) Question is, what the the size of the NAS514P832-6P screw? (in case this is of use to other listers, here are some related URLs: Screw data: http://icrank.com/cgi-bin/pageman/pageout.cgi?path=/data/screw/screw_source.htm&t=2 Screw dimensions: http://www.mcfeelys.com/tech/dimensions.aspx Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw ) Thanks in advance for any clues, tips, even shrugs! Carlos CH601-HD, plans ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:34 PM PST US From: "Dave Thompson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: riveter nosepieces List, Go to the Harbor freight Tools website: harborfreight.com and look up your air riveter. At the bottom of the add, there is a green link to download the instruction manual. On page 10 and 11 (model 93458) there is a parts breakdown. Get the part number and call the 800 number in the manual. Ask them if you can purchase some spare parts. I did it for an air impact wrench and they sent me a complete rebuild kit for $12.00. Just my two cents worth, Dave Thompson ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:18 PM PST US From: Peter Chapman Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? At 20:52 12-11-07, you wrote: > >I installed Van's NACA inlets and cockpit air outlets in my 601HD. It was >some time ago, so I'm not sure if they are the same as the SV-Combo kit. Similar story here. Installed some sort of kit from Van's back in '99, on an HDS. Work really well. Large eyeball vents centered infront of each pilot, at the bottom of the panel. Installation shown half way down the page: http://web.ionsys.com/~pchapman/zdc/zdc_photos_construction.htm (The instrument panel photo on the same page doesn't show the vents - photo was taken before the retrofit for the big Van's vents.) Peter Chapman Toronto, ON ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:47 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: what size screw?? No tsure exactly what you are asking about the size of the NAS514P832-6P screw, so here is the whole deal: It is a #8 screw. It has 32 pitch threads so it fits a K1000-08 or any nutplate made for an 8-32 screw. It is 3/8" long (.375"). It requires a #8 dimple to fit flush. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: what size screw?? Hello, all I have spent a couple of hours trying to figure this one out, but no luck. I want to use anchor nut K1100 ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08086.pdf ) with machine screws NAS514 ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2008Individual/Cat08093.pdf ). I want to dimple the part where the anchor nut will be riveted, so the screw will sit flush. Dimple die sets are sold for screws #6, #8 and #10 (for instance: http://www.averytools.com/p-858-screw-dimplers.aspx ) Question is, what the the size of the NAS514P832-6P screw? ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:56 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The Yard Store Thanks to all who replied to my Yard Store ? Turns out we were having a local Internet problem. do not archive. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:40 PM PST US From: "George Swinford" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? My installation is very similar. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Chapman" Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Van's vents in 601 HD? > > At 20:52 12-11-07, you wrote: > > > >I installed Van's NACA inlets and cockpit air outlets in my 601HD. It was > >some time ago, so I'm not sure if they are the same as the SV-Combo kit. > > Similar story here. > Installed some sort of kit from Van's back in '99, on an HDS. > Work really well. Large eyeball vents centered infront of each pilot, > at the bottom of the panel. > > Installation shown half way down the page: > http://web.ionsys.com/~pchapman/zdc/zdc_photos_construction.htm > > (The instrument panel photo on the same page doesn't show the vents - > photo was taken before the retrofit for the big Van's vents.) > > > Peter Chapman > Toronto, ON > > > -- 11/12/2007 12:56 PM > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:34 PM PST US From: "Darrell Haas" Subject: Zenith-List: riveter nosepiece Thank you all for the information on the nosepiece. Darrell Do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.