---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/15/07: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:44 AM - 601XL Flaps (CHETKRU@aol.com) 2. 08:32 AM - Re: 601XL Flaps (GLENN JOHNSON) 3. 08:44 AM - 601 cowl and mt (Bill Flick) 4. 11:45 AM - Re: 601 cowl and mt (LarryMcFarland) 5. 12:33 PM - 601 parts for sale - EXPLANATION (Ronald Wright) 6. 01:19 PM - Re: 601 cowl and mt (rsteele@rjsit.com) 7. 03:04 PM - Re: 601 cowl and mt (LarryMcFarland) 8. 04:22 PM - Fw: 601 cowl and mt (Southern Reflections) 9. 04:34 PM - Re:Cargo Tie down rings (MaxNr@aol.com) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (kmccune) 11. 05:02 PM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (rroberts) 12. 05:09 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Juan Vega) 13. 05:16 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (Juan Vega) 14. 05:20 PM - Re: 601XL Flaps (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com) 15. 05:28 PM - Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) (kmccune) 16. 06:05 PM - VW Direct Drive (LRM) 17. 07:06 PM - 701 with HKS 700 engine (Robert Schoenberger) 18. 07:34 PM - Fw: matco wheels and brakes (Tracy) 19. 07:35 PM - Re: 601 cowl and mt (Southern Reflections) 20. 08:47 PM - Re: 701 with HKS 700 engine (Graeme) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:46 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Value of the List... 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Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:42 AM PST US From: CHETKRU@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps Hi Folks, I am installing my flaps and would like some info on how to connect the flap to the actuator arm. I am having trouble getting measurements to drill the hole in the nylon control plate. Thanks. Chet Kruleski Las Vegas, NV ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:30 AM PST US From: GLENN JOHNSON Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps HI CHET MY SRAWING ON PAGE 6-W-1, SRAWING NO 1 SHOWS A MEASURMENT OF 40MM DOWN AND 80MM BACK FROM THE TOP CORNER (ONLY 90 DEG CORNER) OF THE FLAP RIB. THE DR AWING JUST BELOW IT SAYS TO MOUNT THE NYLONPLATE AT A 90 DEG ANGLE TO THE B OTTOM ON THE RIB. HOPE THIS HELPS GLENN 601XL CHESAPEAKE VA ALMOST DONE From: CHETKRU@aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:34:10 -0500Subject: Zenith-L ist: 601XL FlapsTo: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com Hi Folks, I am installing my flaps and would like some info on how to conne ct the flap to the actuator arm. I am having trouble getting measurements t o drill the hole in the nylon control plate. Thanks. Chet Kruleski Las Vegas, NV See wha _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Oc tWLtagline ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:35 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt hello. i am still looking for a good used subaru to 601 hds mt and cowl. any help appreciated. thanks bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:50 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt Hi Bill, I believe Zenith sells a 601 to 0-200 standard mount that Stratus has bolt on adapters using Lyc dampers # 71032. Zenith also does a cowl that works for the Stratus powered 601. www.macsmachine.com/html/subaruengine.htm www.macsmachine.com/html/cowling.htm Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus Subaru powered at www.macsmachine.com Bill Flick wrote: > hello. i am still looking for a good used subaru to 601 hds mt and > cowl. any help appreciated. thanks bill ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:34 PM PST US From: Ronald Wright Subject: Zenith-List: 601 parts for sale - EXPLANATION I should have stated these parts I have for sale are for the 601HD and HDS versions. NOT for the XL.. Sorry for the confusion. Ron St. Louis, MO ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:02 PM PST US From: rsteele@rjsit.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt Larry, In all the pictures I've seen it looks there are modifications needed to the standard cowl to fit a soob. Is this true? Is this fiberglass work? There are lots of pictures with odd bumps and modified openings, but I've never seen a description of what is really required to put a cowling on a soob. Do you know if the same cowl would fit either are RAM or Stratus - I assume it depends on the geometry of the PSRU? Ron -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt From: LarryMcFarland Hi Bill, I believe Zenith sells a 601 to 0-200 standard mount that Stratus has bolt on adapters using Lyc dampers # 71032. Zenith also does a cowl that works for the Stratus powered 601. www.macsmachine.com/html/subaruengine.htm www.macsmachine.com/html/cowling.htm Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus Subaru powered at www.macsmachine.com Bill Flick wrote: > hello. i am still looking for a good used subaru to 601 hds mt and > cowl. any help appreciated. thanks bill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:04 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt Hi Ron, You'd be right about modifications, but the bumps are provided with the cowl so you can place them as you put the cowl over the engine. The images on the cowling page link pretty much show the process I went thru. Not difficult, but certainly workable. I doubt the RAM engine is going to be exactly the same, but it would be close. His might have another mount arrangement. The RAM engine has a gear reduction. I prefer belt for ease of inspection and ease of repair. Check out the link pages I've provided and click on pictures to get larger views of what's needed. I've got a couple of pages on fiberglass if you've not worked with it before. Not difficult once you work thru a piece or two. I use polyester resin type in lieu of epoxies. Much cheaper and it will hold up well. Certainly easier to repair. The geometry of the re-drive and mount bracketing that fits the Subaru would be key here. RAM does excellent work and has very good product. I went with Stratus because I liked the dual Bing carburation, belt drive and the arrangement of the engine accessories. Larry McFarland do not archive rsteele@rjsit.com wrote: > > Larry, In all the pictures I've seen it looks there are modifications > needed to the standard cowl to fit a soob. Is this true? Is this > fiberglass work? There are lots of pictures with odd bumps and modified > openings, but I've never seen a description of what is really required > to put a cowling on a soob. Do you know if the same cowl would fit > either are RAM or Stratus - I assume it depends on the geometry of the > PSRU? > > Ron > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:35 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Fw: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt Hi Ron,and Larry, just like to add a couple of foot notes Ram makes a engine mount for a 601 and I know that , the " Big Z "sells a Jab. cowling that fit over the Ram engine, It is very streamline with a long narrow look, and requires a little triming and alot of sanding. If you go to www.rayair.com you can click on the video of the orange and white 601XL taxieing and flying it has the Jab.. cowling that I'am talking about,that's my plane. It had a "Harley" engine in it then , and now it has a Ram/130 ,same cowling .Ram also has a new redrive that he developed that 's super fine.I think the reason Ram uses the gear re -drive is because of the H.P. He makes a 100,130,140, and a 250 H.P super charged all E-81 engines .The geared redrive is for the upper H.P. engines and being that he's knowes it will hold up on the upper H.P. he uses on the 100. If you want to take a look the web is info@ramengines.com Thank's Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt > > > Hi Ron, > You'd be right about modifications, but the bumps are provided with the > cowl so you can place them as you > put the cowl over the engine. The images on the cowling page link pretty > much show the process I went thru. > Not difficult, but certainly workable. I doubt the RAM engine is going to > be exactly the same, but it would be close. His might have another mount > arrangement. The RAM engine has a gear reduction. I prefer belt for ease > of inspection and ease of repair. > Check out the link pages I've provided and click on pictures to get larger > views of what's needed. I've got a > couple of pages on fiberglass if you've not worked with it before. Not > difficult once you work thru a piece > or two. I use polyester resin type in lieu of epoxies. Much cheaper and > it will hold up well. Certainly easier to > repair. > The geometry of the re-drive and mount bracketing that fits the Subaru > would be key here. RAM does excellent > work and has very good product. I went with Stratus because I liked the > dual Bing carburation, belt drive and the > arrangement of the engine accessories. > > Larry McFarland > do not archive > > rsteele@rjsit.com wrote: >> >> Larry, In all the pictures I've seen it looks there are modifications >> needed to the standard cowl to fit a soob. Is this true? Is this >> fiberglass work? There are lots of pictures with odd bumps and modified >> openings, but I've never seen a description of what is really required >> to put a cowling on a soob. Do you know if the same cowl would fit >> either are RAM or Stratus - I assume it depends on the geometry of the >> PSRU? >> >> Ron >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:04 PM PST US From: MaxNr@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Cargo Tie down rings Good question Mack. You need a net or canvas anchored into something more than sheet metal. Such as the longerons. Around the Pensacola, FL area we are able to go to any of the sail makers, etc around here and they can whip up a net that would work well. This restraint must be good for 26 G's at 40 lbs to keep a laptop or six pack from whacking you. Do you remember the "Mythbusters" episode on this? I was trained and served in this field in the military. Many civil and military aircraft have tie down rings that are 1.75 inch dia made of 1/4 inch seamless stock anchored with eye bolts. I have a dozen rings on hand, but without the eye bolts and clevis pin that makes up the assembly. They are rated for 750 lbs each, and will pull out of a sheet metal floor at about that loading if not anchored with a good backing. These are yours if they can help. I will search West Marine in town for even better hardware for my project. Another important factor is that the shoulder harness passes through the area of the cargo restraint and would interfere. If the harness is attached behind and below the level of the shoulders, that would be bad. It must go over the shoulder, then upward at 15 to 20 degrees before attaching in the rear. This is to prevent injury in a head on. I have seen cadaver tests (leaving your body to science, are you?) that clearly demonstrate this in head on crash tests. The test subject was strapped into a pilot's seat with a 4 point restraint. Xrays showed two broken collar bones. If you can find a picture of an RV-8 pilot seat, examine this aspect for yourself. I have some ideas for a simple anchor system, but I need to study the cockpit area when its clecoed together. Its sort of jumping of the drawings at me now but not that well yet. Know what I mean? Bob Pace, FL XL/Lyc Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) From: "kmccune" Is that the Raven FWF cowl on your purple dragon? Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146336#146336 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) From: "rroberts" Hi Kevin, No its not. It's a Jabiru cowl for their 701 with about a foot wacked off the back. My painter then molded on a blister for the Sidewinder oil pan. and glued on the top NACA inlet. The spinner is from Cummins. Fits like a glove! -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146342#146342 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:25 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps what nylon control plate? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: GLENN JOHNSON >Sent: Nov 15, 2007 11:27 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps > > >HI CHET > >MY SRAWING ON PAGE 6-W-1, SRAWING NO 1 SHOWS A MEASURMENT OF 40MM DOWN AND 80MM BACK FROM THE TOP CORNER (ONLY 90 DEG CORNER) OF THE FLAP RIB. THE DRAWING JUST BELOW IT SAYS TO MOUNT THE NYLONPLATE AT A 90 DEG ANGLE TO THE BOTTOM ON THE RIB. HOPE THIS HELPS > >GLENN >601XL CHESAPEAKE VA ALMOST DONE > > >From: CHETKRU@aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:34:10 -0500Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL FlapsTo: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com > >Hi Folks, I am installing my flaps and would like some info on how to connect the flap to the actuator arm. I am having trouble getting measurements to drill the hole in the nylon control plate. Thanks. > >Chet Kruleski >Las Vegas, NV > > >See wha > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf. Stop by today. >http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:46 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps now i get the nylon plate, took a senior monent. install the flaps at very last. use the measurements provided in the plans on the arm throws for servos. 65 to 185 mm. next follow plans for drilling location for nylon plate. do not drill arm to flap rod yet. just slide the flaps and cleco in place at neutral zero flap position. make sure to install the flap nylon stops. once flaps are set at zero setting go under the plane and mark where the arm hits the two flap pipes. scrib it then take back to shop and drill. after drilling, cleco flap back on and put the arm and pipes all together and screw. then check the throws on flaps by turning on the motor and adjusting the servos to suite the throws you want. when all is working according to plan, then rive the flaps as the lasty thing. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: CHETKRU@aol.com >Sent: Nov 15, 2007 10:34 AM >To: zenith-list-digest@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps > >Hi Folks, I am installing my flaps and would like some info on how to >connect the flap to the actuator arm. I am having trouble getting measurements to >drill the hole in the nylon control plate. Thanks. > >Chet Kruleski >Las Vegas, NV > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:16 PM PST US From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Flaps Juan, you know the slab of white nylon plate located on the end of the flap that didn't fit the measurements from Zac's plans, that we had to move about five times before we found out were they should really be located. That nylon plate. Remember? Best regards, Bill of Georgia ************************************** ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Purple Dragon Spotted over Newnan, GA (KCCO) From: "kmccune" Well it looks very good! I emailed Raven yesterday and I'm going to call tomorrow, as I'm still not sure what type of engine is going on this thing. Yours is the 90 hp 1300? Any comments on performance. Raven seems to be pushing the turbo one, but the extra weight seems, well extra. Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146351#146351 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Zenith-List: VW Direct Drive I have a complete flywheel direct drive system for sale to fit a type 1 VW. Anyone interested, call or e-mail me. My contact info is on my site below. The price will be right. Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:11 PM PST US From: Robert Schoenberger Subject: Zenith-List: 701 with HKS 700 engine Has anyone ever tried to put a HKS 700 with 60 HP in a 701? Would the performance be severely compromised or would the plane just be a bit slower? The HKS has a lot going for it - less expensive, light, 4 cycle, 800 TBO, and best of all 2 - 2.5 gal.per hour fuel consumption. Robert Schoenberger ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:10 PM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: matco wheels and brakes > > > for sale > > Brand new Macto wheels and brakes from Zenith 801 gear kit. > > Matco wheel part number w 600 xlt with brakes part number ph-6xt slc,ut > > these parts are brand new never installed on anything,they do not have the 1.5 " axles,I used those on the 801 kit,they come with plastic hub caps > > They are about 13 pound a piece for shipping price I want 450 for the pair > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:03 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt SORRY guy's I gave the wrong address for the 601 vidio it's www.Brett@skyray.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southern Reflections" Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Fw: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt > > > Hi Ron,and Larry, just like to add a couple of foot notes Ram makes a > engine mount for a 601 and I know that , the " Big Z "sells a Jab. cowling > that fit over the Ram engine, It is very streamline with a long narrow > look, and requires a little triming and alot of sanding. If you go to > www.rayair.com you can click on the video of the orange and white 601XL > taxieing and flying it has the Jab.. cowling that I'am talking > about,that's my plane. It had a "Harley" engine in it then , and now it > has a Ram/130 ,same cowling .Ram also has a new redrive that he developed > that 's super fine.I think the reason Ram uses the gear re -drive is > because of the H.P. He makes a 100,130,140, and a 250 H.P super charged > all E-81 engines .The geared redrive is for the upper H.P. engines and > being that he's knowes it will hold up on the upper H.P. he uses on the > 100. If you want to take a look the web is info@ramengines.com Thank's Joe > N101HD 601XL/RAM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LarryMcFarland" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt > > >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> You'd be right about modifications, but the bumps are provided with the >> cowl so you can place them as you >> put the cowl over the engine. The images on the cowling page link pretty >> much show the process I went thru. >> Not difficult, but certainly workable. I doubt the RAM engine is going to >> be exactly the same, but it would be close. His might have another mount >> arrangement. The RAM engine has a gear reduction. I prefer belt for ease >> of inspection and ease of repair. >> Check out the link pages I've provided and click on pictures to get >> larger views of what's needed. I've got a >> couple of pages on fiberglass if you've not worked with it before. Not >> difficult once you work thru a piece >> or two. I use polyester resin type in lieu of epoxies. Much cheaper and >> it will hold up well. Certainly easier to >> repair. >> The geometry of the re-drive and mount bracketing that fits the Subaru >> would be key here. RAM does excellent >> work and has very good product. I went with Stratus because I liked the >> dual Bing carburation, belt drive and the >> arrangement of the engine accessories. >> >> Larry McFarland >> do not archive >> >> rsteele@rjsit.com wrote: >>> >>> Larry, In all the pictures I've seen it looks there are modifications >>> needed to the standard cowl to fit a soob. Is this true? Is this >>> fiberglass work? There are lots of pictures with odd bumps and modified >>> openings, but I've never seen a description of what is really required >>> to put a cowling on a soob. Do you know if the same cowl would fit >>> either are RAM or Stratus - I assume it depends on the geometry of the >>> PSRU? >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:56 PM PST US From: "Graeme" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 with HKS 700 engine there is very little in performance drop or improvement from an 582 60hp Rotax going up to a 912 80HP Rotax. Your Climb performance two up with density altitude improves, your fuel consumption improves dramaticly Cruise speed at 70% power may be lower on the 912 but not much. I have had both motors in my Airframe. I think you would get a noticable drop in performance to the 60hp HKS.4 stroke compared to the 582 Rotax. Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 with HKS 700 engine > > > Has anyone ever tried to put a HKS 700 with 60 HP in a 701? Would the > performance be severely compromised or would the plane just be a bit > slower? The HKS has a lot going for it - less expensive, light, 4 cycle, > 800 TBO, and best of all 2 - 2.5 gal.per hour fuel consumption. Robert > Schoenberger > > > -- > 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: 15/11/2007 9:34 AM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.