---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/16/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:24 AM - Re: 601 cowl and mt (Ronald Steele) 2. 10:23 AM - Re: Cargo Tie down rings (aprazer) 3. 10:42 AM - It's here (ZodieRocket) 4. 12:52 PM - It's here Your Christmas list (ZodieRocket) 5. 02:12 PM - Hello all... (Joshua) 6. 04:45 PM - Re: Zenith 601 Jabiru engine cowling (Over heating cylinder heads) (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 7. 05:27 PM - Re: It's here (David Barth) 8. 06:13 PM - Re: Hello all... (MacDonald Doug) 9. 08:24 PM - Scam artist (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 10. 09:47 PM - 701 Scratchbuild (Art Olechowski) 11. 09:53 PM - Re: Scam artist (Cory Emberson) 12. 09:53 PM - Re: Hello all... (Art Olechowski) 13. 09:57 PM - Re: Scam artist (Cory Emberson) 14. 11:08 PM - of wrath and rants... (Thomas Henderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:40 AM PST US From: Ronald Steele Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt Cool, I take it you like the RAM. Both the RAM and Stratus look like good options to me. And it's nice to have options. I found the the pictures and videos at http://www.skyray.us. Nice looking plane. Seeing all these completions flying is a real inspiration. On Nov 15, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Southern Reflections wrote: > > > Hi Ron,and Larry, just like to add a couple of foot notes Ram makes > a engine mount for a 601 and I know that , the " Big Z "sells a > Jab. cowling that fit over the Ram engine, It is very streamline > with a long narrow look, and requires a little triming and alot of > sanding. If you go to www.rayair.com you can click on the video of > the orange and white 601XL taxieing and flying it has the Jab.. > cowling that I'am talking about,that's my plane. It had a "Harley" > engine in it then , and now it has a Ram/130 ,same cowling .Ram > also has a new redrive that he developed that 's super fine.I think > the reason Ram uses the gear re -drive is because of the H.P. He > makes a 100,130,140, and a 250 H.P super charged all E-81 > engines .The geared redrive is for the upper H.P. engines and being > that he's knowes it will hold up on the upper H.P. he uses on the > 100. If you want to take a look the web is info@ramengines.com > Thank's Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM > ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 cowl and mt > > >> >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> You'd be right about modifications, but the bumps are provided >> with the cowl so you can place them as you >> put the cowl over the engine. The images on the cowling page link >> pretty much show the process I went thru. >> Not difficult, but certainly workable. I doubt the RAM engine is >> going to be exactly the same, but it would be close. His might >> have another mount >> arrangement. The RAM engine has a gear reduction. I prefer belt >> for ease of inspection and ease of repair. >> Check out the link pages I've provided and click on pictures to >> get larger views of what's needed. I've got a >> couple of pages on fiberglass if you've not worked with it >> before. Not difficult once you work thru a piece >> or two. I use polyester resin type in lieu of epoxies. Much >> cheaper and it will hold up well. Certainly easier to >> repair. >> The geometry of the re-drive and mount bracketing that fits the >> Subaru would be key here. RAM does excellent >> work and has very good product. I went with Stratus because I >> liked the dual Bing carburation, belt drive and the >> arrangement of the engine accessories. >> >> Larry McFarland >> do not archive >> >> rsteele@rjsit.com wrote: >>> >>> Larry, In all the pictures I've seen it looks there are >>> modifications >>> needed to the standard cowl to fit a soob. Is this true? Is this >>> fiberglass work? There are lots of pictures with odd bumps and >>> modified >>> openings, but I've never seen a description of what is really >>> required >>> to put a cowling on a soob. Do you know if the same cowl would fit >>> either are RAM or Stratus - I assume it depends on the geometry >>> of the >>> PSRU? >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cargo Tie down rings From: "aprazer" Raymond, faasafety.gov (FAASafety.gov) [announce@faasafety.gov] in conjunction with the Idaho State Aeronautics put this program in Boise a couple of weeks ago. Very informative! Mack -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146451#146451 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:15 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: It's here Can-Zac Aviation and Zenith Aircraft Company Apparel Can-Zac Aviation and Zenith Aircraft Company are proud to present our new Logo Wear. 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The Can-Zac Aviation and Zenith Aircraft Company Online Store Commitment: To provide Can-Zac Aviation and Zenith Aircraft Company authentic apparel to our employees, partners and our community. Each item has been selected for durability and popularity. They are guaranteed against defects in material, workmanship and quality. All of our logoed clothing carries the registered trademark logo of Can-Zac Aviation or Zenith Aircraft Company. HYPERLINK "http://can-zacaviation.promoshop.com/"Click here for the store Let your family know for Christmas Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com 10/4/2007 5:03 PM 11/16/2007 9:52 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Hello all... From: "Joshua" Hi guys, I dont want to take up too much of your time because I havnt started building yet. After years of "research" (drooling over kit planes on the internet) I am absolutley stricken by the 701 and there is no doubt its what i want to build. I cant believe I never saw it before! I have read through your entire forum and you guys are a terrific support to each other and I have learned much by reading your posts. Im going to have a thousand questions but for now just a couple. Since I have definately decided on scratch building the 701 Ive been keeping my eyes open for tools. A friend of mine has got a used tools place and he has a nice little 24" brake for sale for $125. Its really heavy duty and easily modified for the 1/8" bend radius. So the question... is it big enough to be of any use in a 701 project? What is the maximum size bend I will need to make? Any one near Maine? Nice to meet you all and I'm sure you will be hearing from me soon. I going to get my plans and DVDs soon to study over the winter and make my first materials order in the spring. I just cant stop thinking I should have bought that brake! Thanks, Joshua Gurley Thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146482#146482 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:55 PM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith 601 Jabiru engine cowling (Over heating cylinder heads) Hey Pete, or any other Jabiru/Zenith experts: I measured the outlet today on my 601 HD cowling . It appeared to be about 75 square inches. It looks like the inlets total to about 50 sq inches. I have added an additional inch to the lip in front of the outlet (so it now is just over 2 inches) but I am still getting overheating in cruise, with 3 cylinders showing over 300 degrees (#6 is about 330). What is the best way to fix this problem? Lynn Nelsen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:44 PM PST US From: David Barth Subject: Re: Zenith-List: It's here Nice job Mark, You are right. Just in time for Christmas. David David Barth 601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done? Working on Wings www.ch601.org Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hello all... Hi Joshua, welcome to the group. I am also building a CH-701 from scratch. Great project!!! Personally, I think that you would not get a whole lot of use from a 24" brake. There is not a lot of bending that will fit that short of a unit. A better bet would be to take a look at the simple brake designs on ch-601.org or ch-701.com. Also look into the Dave Clay 8 ft break. I would build one myself but have made do with my own design for a 5 footer for the most part. That and a couple of trips to the local A&P shop that is friendly to homebuilders to bend the few parts that were too long for my own. Best o luck with your project, I've had a blast so far. I'm about 75% done and might see the sky sometime next summer if work would leave me at home long enough to work on it. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Do not Archive --- Joshua wrote: > > > Hi guys, > I dont want to take up too much of your time > because I havnt started building yet. After years of > "research" (drooling over kit planes on the > internet) I am absolutley stricken by the 701 and > there is no doubt its what i want to build. I cant > believe I never saw it before! > I have read through your entire forum and you guys > are a terrific support to each other and I have > learned much by reading your posts. Im going to have > a thousand questions but for now just a couple. > Since I have definately decided on scratch building > the 701 Ive been keeping my eyes open for tools. A > friend of mine has got a used tools place and he has > a nice little 24" brake for sale for $125. Its > really heavy duty and easily modified for the 1/8" > bend radius. > So the question... is it big enough to be of any use > in a 701 project? > What is the maximum size bend I will need to make? > Any one near Maine? > Nice to meet you all and I'm sure you will be > hearing from me soon. I going to get my plans and > DVDs soon to study over the winter and make my first > materials order in the spring. I just cant stop > thinking I should have bought that brake! > Thanks, > Joshua Gurley > Thanks. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:54 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is _admin@arachnidrobotics.com_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com) he is selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. He claims to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a 601 what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling he was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email he sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He is now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprised of mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone else has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can take this guy out of business. I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money. I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have ordered parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation honest. Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me. FROM ME Tom, I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 months ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further action to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I will expect the check or tanks by the 16th. Good day Jeff Garrett 297 Smith Ln. Louisville, Ky. 40229 502-644-8123 REPLY Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due back from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the reminder. I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers. No Call again Next email Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direction two months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finally to a normal pace again. I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that. Talk to you tomorrow, Latest scam.. From: _Thomas Anderson_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com) Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: RE: 601 XL Airframe No problem (With held). If you decide to look into it in the future, drop me a line. If you have a friend or know of someone who may be interested, I'm offering $600 to anyone referring an eventual buyer. Might be a good way to pick up some extra fun money (Read: A few months of Avgas!). J Thanks for the return email! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:46 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Scratchbuild Builders, After a long period of thought and personal analysis I've come to the conclusion of scratch-building versus kit building the 701. Is someone kind enough to sell or lend me there form blocks once I get the materials on deck? Also, I came across someone in the past that has made flanging dies for purchase specific to Zenith type airplanes does anyone have the link? do not archive Art ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:22 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scam artist Hi Jeff, Interesting - but is his name Tom Henderson (top of email) or Anderson (his quoted email towards the bottom). I'm just asking because I know two Tom Hendersons in the aviation community (one or both is a Beech owner, though, however the grammar goes). Thanks, Cory _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is admin@arachnidrobotics.com he is selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. He claims to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a 601 what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling he was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email he sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He is now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprised of mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone else has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can take this guy out of business. I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money. I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have ordered parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation honest. Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me. FROM ME Tom, I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 months ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further action to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I will expect the check or tanks by the 16th. Good day Jeff Garrett 297 Smith Ln. Louisville, Ky. 40229 502-644-8123 REPLY Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due back from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the reminder. I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers. No Call again Next email Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direction two months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finally to a normal pace again. I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that. Talk to you tomorrow, Latest scam.. From: Thomas Anderson To:With held Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: RE: 601 XL Airframe No problem (With held). If you decide to look into it in the future, drop me a line. If you have a friend or know of someone who may be interested, I'm offering $600 to anyone referring an eventual buyer. Might be a good way to pick up some extra fun money (Read: A few months of Avgas!). :-) Thanks for the return email! _____ See what's new at ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:51 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Hello all... Hi Joshua! Welcome to the group, glad to have another builder on board. The longest bend you will need to make is the horizontal stab spar which around 7'. I recommend you meet up with your local EAA and become a member. The wealth of knowledge in the organization is amazing and the resources that become available as you meet new friends will help with specialized tools. I've flown the demo at Zenith and was amazed of the capability of this airplane. The visibility was the best ever, besides an old Bubble Bell helicopter. I too am beginning to scratchbuild the 701 after a long undecisive battle of time vs money vs quality. I purchased the rudder from Zenith and it's almost done. While building the rudder I decided that I require a certain level of perfection which I could not see it the parts. Nothing against Zeinth or any builder out there working on the kit just rather my personal standards and requirements. Anyway its good to here we will be entering the journey at the same time. There is an abundance of resources online I would start at Jon Croke's site here: http://www.ch701.com/ do not archive Art --- Joshua wrote: > > Hi guys, > I dont want to take up too much of your time because I havnt started building yet. After > years of "research" (drooling over kit planes on the internet) I am absolutley stricken by the > 701 and there is no doubt its what i want to build. I cant believe I never saw it before! > I have read through your entire forum and you guys are a terrific support to each other and I > have learned much by reading your posts. Im going to have a thousand questions but for now just > a couple. > Since I have definately decided on scratch building the 701 Ive been keeping my eyes open for > tools. A friend of mine has got a used tools place and he has a nice little 24" brake for sale > for $125. Its really heavy duty and easily modified for the 1/8" bend radius. > So the question... is it big enough to be of any use in a 701 project? > What is the maximum size bend I will need to make? > Any one near Maine? > Nice to meet you all and I'm sure you will be hearing from me soon. I going to get my plans > and DVDs soon to study over the winter and make my first materials order in the spring. I just > cant stop thinking I should have bought that brake! > Thanks, > Joshua Gurley > Thanks. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146482#146482 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:38 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Scam artist Hi Jeff, Interesting - but is his name Tom Henderson (top of email) or Anderson (his quoted email towards the bottom). I'm just asking because I know two Tom Hendersons in the aviation community (one or both is a Beech owner, though, however the grammar goes). Thanks, Cory _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is admin@arachnidrobotics.com he is selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. He claims to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a 601 what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling he was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email he sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He is now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprised of mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone else has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can take this guy out of business. I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money. I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have ordered parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation honest. Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me. FROM ME Tom, I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 months ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further action to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I will expect the check or tanks by the 16th. Good day Jeff Garrett 297 Smith Ln. Louisville, Ky. 40229 502-644-8123 REPLY Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due back from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the reminder. I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers. No Call again Next email Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direction two months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finally to a normal pace again. I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that. Talk to you tomorrow, Latest scam.. From: Thomas Anderson To:With held Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: RE: 601 XL Airframe No problem (With held). If you decide to look into it in the future, drop me a line. If you have a friend or know of someone who may be interested, I'm offering $600 to anyone referring an eventual buyer. Might be a good way to pick up some extra fun money (Read: A few months of Avgas!). :-) Thanks for the return email! _____ See what's new at ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:18 PM PST US From: "Thomas Henderson" Subject: Zenith-List: of wrath and rants... I normally wouldn't reply to an email like this on-list, and this will be my one and only on-list. Jeff, I sent both of those emails TO YOU Thursday (yesterday), and you WILL have your tanks in your hanger by next week. I did fall behind in things, as I believe everyone involved knows. However, the last bit of things are going out to those involved. They went out, or are going out, late, and that's my fault. Anyone involved has been very gracious and patient and I appreciate that to the extreme. It does speak to the kind of people we have in the aviation community, as you mentioned. I received the email below from you on Wednesday afternoon. Try as I might, it's tough to get something back from the welder and across the country that soon. :-) I received a second email from you after that, which I will not insult the list with. Suffice it to say, you mention that WW (of Corvair engine fame) was on the receiving end of your wrath as well. We all get behind, even very behind at times, as was the case with both myself and WW. Things are being made right though, and the loose ends are being shipped out (including your tanks). Finally, I suppose I should apologize to the list. I don't think this is the place for rants, although many of us do on occasion. If anyone has any questions, please don't hesitate to email me off-list. Working hard to finish up, -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is admin@arachnidrobotics.com he is selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. He claims to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a 601 what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling he was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email he sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He is now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprised of mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone else has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can take this guy out of business. I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money. I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have ordered parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation honest. Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me. FROM ME Tom, I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 months ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further action to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I will expect the check or tanks by the 16th. Good day Jeff Garrett 297 Smith Ln. Louisville, Ky. 40229 502-644-8123 REPLY Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due back from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the reminder. I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers. No Call again Next email Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direction two months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finally to a normal pace again. I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that. 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