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1. 02:56 AM - Re: It's here (Martin Pohl)
2. 02:57 AM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
3. 03:00 AM - Re: Scam artist (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
4. 03:31 AM - Some pics of my cranks being nitrided (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
5. 04:00 AM - Plane update (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
6. 04:57 AM - Re: 701 Scratchbuild (MacDonald Doug)
7. 05:31 AM - 601 Parts And Pieces For Sale (George Race)
8. 05:50 AM - Re: 701 Scratchbuild (Art Olechowski)
9. 06:04 AM - Re: Plane update (Ben52425@aol.com)
10. 06:26 AM - Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided (Debo Cox)
11. 06:27 AM - Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided (Debo Cox)
12. 06:38 AM - Re: Plane update (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
13. 06:55 AM - Scratchbuilding Tools (Art Olechowski)
14. 07:33 AM - 601XL ELT position (Scott Thatcher)
15. 07:48 AM - Re: of wrath and rants... (ZodieRocket)
16. 07:52 AM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Larry Winger)
17. 08:09 AM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (ZodieRocket)
18. 09:00 AM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Terry Phillips)
19. 09:05 AM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Bryan Ekholm)
20. 09:11 AM - Re: 601XL ELT position (LarryMcFarland)
21. 09:47 AM - Re: It's here (ZodieRocket)
22. 10:18 AM - Re: 601XL ELT position (Leo Gates)
23. 10:40 AM - Re: 601XL ELT position (steve)
24. 10:43 AM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Bill Steer)
25. 11:13 AM - Re: 601XL ELT position (craig@craigandjean.com)
26. 11:40 AM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Art Olechowski)
27. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Art Olechowski)
28. 12:05 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (hansriet)
29. 12:19 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Terry Phillips)
30. 12:41 PM - Re: It's here (rroberts)
31. 01:39 PM - RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Jean-Paul Roy)
32. 01:46 PM - Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
33. 02:07 PM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Art Olechowski)
34. 02:34 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Bill Steer)
35. 03:04 PM - 701 Arm rest/console (kmccune)
36. 03:51 PM - Re: 601XL ELT position (steve)
37. 04:39 PM - 601 HD/HDS parts photos (For Sale) (Ronald Wright)
38. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (ZodieRocket)
39. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: It's here (ZodieRocket)
40. 04:49 PM - Re:promoshop (ZodieRocket)
41. 05:14 PM - Re: Re:promoshop (Jon Croke)
42. 05:38 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (n801bh@netzero.com)
43. 05:48 PM - Re: promoshop (rroberts)
44. 05:49 PM - Re: It's here (rroberts)
45. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: promoshop (Sean Moore)
46. 06:03 PM - Regulator-Rectifier (jackandval)
47. 06:14 PM - Re: promoshop (MacDonald Doug)
48. 06:33 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (David Downey)
49. 06:40 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (LRM)
50. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (MacDonald Doug)
51. 07:54 PM - Re: 601XL ELT position ()
52. 09:14 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
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Nice stuff Mark!
Pascale is already checking what shirt would be best for me - uh no - for ... the
KIDS [Evil or Very Mad]. Never mind - perhaps than I will still get a nice
new tool as a christmas present [Laughing] (...and the ZAC-shirt? I am going
to buy one myself).
I really like the "Men's Long Sleeve Twill Shirt". What kind of color is the "natural
stone"?
Cheers from Switzerland
(still hoping to get a Toronto-flight soon!)
Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146588#146588
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
We have heard your excuses time and time again. In your email to me you
stated you would have a tracking # Friday you didn't you also say you would
call
and once again you didn't. It is you sir that needs to do what you say. You
have told us time and time again you were shipping the tanks and they never
showed. You also said you felt so bad about it that you were not only going
to
send the tanks but you were also going to return our money. I am not asking
for anything more than is expected. It seems many people want to sell thing
s
but never deliver or have the simple consideration of contacting builders t
hat
have sent in their money to let them know the status of their order. They
seem to think that their time is somehow more valuable than theirs. I can t
ell
you as a builder of 3 601's I have positioned myself to not have to relay o
n
any outside sources other than companies like ACS etc. If ACS ran a busine
ss
like some others that sell parts and take months to deliver would they stil
l
be in business?? Your email states you don't think this is the place for
rants... I guess you don't, if we keep it from everyone else then you can k
eep on
conducting business in the same manner. I honestly believe people are afrai
d
to speak up in fear of never getting their parts they paid for but I am not
and I could care less if I ever get the tanks. But I want people to know th
e
way you are. As I told WW if you can supply my parts when I need them and y
ou
ship them on the date you promise then I won't have a minutes problem and w
e
worked out our differences. So you say they will be in the mail next week
than I will expect a tracking # for either the tanks or a money order Monda
y.
You said you picked them up Friday than Monday shouldn't be a problem.
In a message dated 11/17/2007 2:09:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
admin@arachnidrobotics.com writes:
I normally wouldn't reply to an email like this on-list, and this will be m
y
one and only on-list. Jeff, I sent both of those emails TO YOU Thursday
(yesterday), and you WILL have your tanks in your hanger by next week. I d
id
fall behind in things, as I believe everyone involved knows. However, the
last bit of things are going out to those involved. They went out, or are
going out, late, and that=99s my fault. Anyone involved has been very
gracious and
patient and I appreciate that to the extreme. It does speak to the kind of
people we have in the aviation community, as you mentioned.
I received the email below from you on Wednesday afternoon. Try as I might,
it=99s tough to get something back from the welder and across the cou
ntry that
soon. J I received a second email from you after that, which I will not
insult the list with. Suffice it to say, you mention that WW (of Corvair e
ngine
fame) was on the receiving end of your wrath as well. We all get behind,
even very behind at times, as was the case with both myself and WW. Things
are
being made right though, and the loose ends are being shipped out (includin
g
your tanks).
Finally, I suppose I should apologize to the list. I don=99t think th
is is the
place for rants, although many of us do on occasion. If anyone has any
questions, please don=99t hesitate to email me off-list.
Working hard to finish up,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol
.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist
I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is
_admin@arachnidrobotics.com_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com) he is
selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. H
e claims
to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers
after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a
601
what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling
he
was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email h
e
sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He i
s
now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't
that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and
turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprise
d of
mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone els
e
has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can ta
ke
this guy out of business.
I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but
after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money.
I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of
never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have order
ed
parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation
honest.
Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me.
FROM ME
Tom,
I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or
the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 mont
hs
ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each
referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further a
ction
to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I wi
ll
expect the check or tanks by the 16th.
Good day
Jeff Garrett
297 Smith Ln.
Louisville, Ky. 40229
502-644-8123
REPLY
Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and
got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due bac
k
from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the
reminder.
I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers.
No Call again
Next email
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with
your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your directio
n two
months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to
the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finall
y
to a normal pace again.
I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welde
r
tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that.
Talk to you tomorrow,
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That was a email that was forwarded to me but his name is Tom Henderson but
I don't think this guy has a plane.
In a message dated 11/17/2007 12:58:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bootless@earthlink.net writes:
Hi Jeff,
Interesting =93 but is his name Tom Henderson (top of email) or Ander
son (his
quoted email towards the bottom). I=99m just asking because I know tw
o Tom
Hendersons in the aviation community (one or both is a Beech owner, though,
however the grammar goes).
Thanks, Cory
____________________________________
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol
.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist
I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is
_admin@arachnidrobotics.com_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com) he is
selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. H
e claims
to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers
after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a
601
what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling
he
was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email h
e
sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He i
s
now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't
that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and
turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprise
d of
mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone els
e
has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can ta
ke
this guy out of business.
I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but
after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money.
I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of
never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have order
ed
parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation
honest.
Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me.
FROM ME
Tom,
I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or
the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 mont
hs
ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each
referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further a
ction
to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I wi
ll
expect the check or tanks by the 16th.
Good day
Jeff Garrett
297 Smith Ln.
Louisville, Ky. 40229
502-644-8123
REPLY
Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and
got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due back
from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the
reminder.
I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers.
No Call again
Next email
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with you
r
build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direction two
months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to
the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finall
y
to a normal pace again.
I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the
welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that.
Talk to you tomorrow,
Latest scam..
From: _Thomas Anderson_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com)
To:_With_ (mailto:tgpeters001@comcast.net) held
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: 601 XL Airframe
No problem (With held). If you decide to look into it in the future, drop
me a line. If you have a friend or know of someone who may be interested,
I'm
offering $600 to anyone referring an eventual buyer. Might be a good way t
o
pick up some extra fun money (Read: A few months of Avgas!). J
Thanks for the return email!
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| Subject: | Some pics of my cranks being nitrided |
These cranks have a Rockwell hardness of 50 to.006 and a white layer of 4-5
microns The core hardness is Rockwell 40. compared to my cranks from Nitron
these look far better and are more uniform. The company that does my cranks
also does cranks directly for a large aircraft engine manufacturer (I can't say
their name per their request) but these cranks were in the nitride for 48
hours and that is the same amount of time the aircraft cranks are in for.
They also give you a print out of the Nitriding Results that include
Effective Case Depth, Total Case Depth, Core Hardness 1 KGF and Surface hardness.
I have heard that other Nitriders have a failure rate of 1 and 10. I
guarantee you that if your crank warps I will give you one of mine for free...
And I
am saying that because the people I am using now have never warped a
crankshaft.
The cost of having this done is 150.00 and they do batches of 10 so if
anyone needs cranks done let me know but keep in mind I need 10 for the price to
be 150.00 so plan on sending them early. I can also have your cranks magna
fluxed (high power), ground, tapped, polished, and nitrated for 375.00 plus
shipping and you will get YOUR crank back. Message me off list if interested.
Jeff
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Here are some pics of the center console we finished up last night.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratchbuild |
Art, personally, I would be hesitant to use someone
elses forming blocks. In an earlier post you
mentioned wanting to maintain an above average level
of perfection on your project. A good place to start
this level of perfection is to build your own forming
blocks. That way you will be sure that each part is
formed according to plans.
It should only take a weekend and is actually kind of
enjoyable. I used it as a primer for starting the
project.
Just my two cents, best of luck with your project.
Do not archive
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Builders,
> After a long period of thought and personal analysis
> I've come to the conclusion of
> scratch-building versus kit building the 701. Is
> someone kind enough to sell or lend me there
> form blocks once I get the materials on deck? Also,
> I came across someone in the past that has
> made flanging dies for purchase specific to Zenith
> type airplanes does anyone have the link?
>
> do not archive
> Art
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | 601 Parts And Pieces For Sale |
Listeners:
Looking for a reasonable offer for whole lot!
We would like it out of the hanger!
If you are just starting to "Plans Build" a 601, this could be a real
bargain for you!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
Our EAA Chapter has been the recipient of one or our members CH-601HD plans
built project. Our goal is to turn the project into some cash for the
Chapter and make some
future flyer a great deal.
You can see pictures of what is included at:
<http://www.eaa304.com/zenair.htm> http://www.eaa304.com/zenair.htm
The workmanship is very good on the completed components. Completed are the
Rudder, Elevator and Stabilizer, Center Fuselage with Wing Stubs, Wing Spars
and Ribs, Firewall, and a lot more of the smaller parts. Has to be seen to
realize how much stuff comes with the package.
Included are the complete Zenith Plans and Information package as well.
Lots of spare materials. Can't say for sure but it looks like enough sheet
aluminum to complete the wings and balance of the fuselage. Also a lot of
spare aluminum materials of all shapes and sizes.
You could also fly into KJXN, Jackson Michigan, and taxi right up to the EAA
Hangar and inspect what is there for yourself. Would need to know you were
coming to make sure someone was there to greet you. Most days the Chapter
Club House is open between 8 AM and Noon.
For more information you can contact EAA Chapter 304 President, Earl Scott
at (517) 783-3988, or you can email me for additional details or to make
arrangements for a visit or additional pictures. My direct email is:
george <mailto:george@mrrace.com> @mrrace.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratchbuild |
Doug thanks for the input. You make a valid point.
Art
--- MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Art, personally, I would be hesitant to use someone
> elses forming blocks. In an earlier post you
> mentioned wanting to maintain an above average level
> of perfection on your project. A good place to start
> this level of perfection is to build your own forming
> blocks. That way you will be sure that each part is
> formed according to plans.
>
> It should only take a weekend and is actually kind of
> enjoyable. I used it as a primer for starting the
> project.
>
> Just my two cents, best of luck with your project.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> --- Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Builders,
> > After a long period of thought and personal analysis
> > I've come to the conclusion of
> > scratch-building versus kit building the 701. Is
> > someone kind enough to sell or lend me there
> > form blocks once I get the materials on deck? Also,
> > I came across someone in the past that has
> > made flanging dies for purchase specific to Zenith
> > type airplanes does anyone have the link?
> >
> > do not archive
> > Art
>
>
>
> Be a better pen pal.
> Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plane update |
HI JEFF
LOOK, S GOOD BEN
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| Subject: | Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided |
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| Subject: | Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided |
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Good job, Jeff.
What type of Primer / Paint did you use?
Keith
CH701-scratch (after finding out last night that my top skin is too narrow for
my Horizontal Tail Frames, I must have favored one side too much when I drilled
the longerons, and now the top is too narrow. Oh well, I will see what I can
do today, or start making me another Top Skin. aaarrrggghhh!!!!!)
************************************************************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 4:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Plane update
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilding Tools |
All,
What method did you all use to get nice long straight cuts of aluminum for the
wing spar web and
others? Has anyone used a router with good results?
Thanks,
Art
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| Subject: | 601XL ELT position |
Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with the
other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
Scott
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| Subject: | of wrath and rants... |
Hi List=92s From Time to time people offer parts for the Zenith Kits. I
have absolutely no problem with this if they are parts that are of their
own design. However when people start making parts right from Chris=92s
drawings and sell them I don=92t understand why anyone would support
this!
If you are in need of a Zenith part, does it not make sense to buy
directly from a Distributor or the Factory? All the problems we have
been forced to read will disappear and remember the pretty girl in this
picture spends her whole day doing this work, it is not a one off for
her, it is how she feeds her kids.
We have also had to hear about people building parts and making
assemblies for Zenith Kits. This will always go on, I personally have no
issue with someone creating a new assembly and selling their idea=92s
for
Chris Heintz=92s designs like William Wynne does. However, I do take
pause
when I see scratch builders using the blueprints Chris has developed,
makes the exact same parts that Zenith does, then try=92s to sell them
at
a cheaper cost. One guy even builds ready to fly planes from scratch and
claims it is a Zenith kit.
As a dealer, I have now seen things I never would have though possible
in this industry, I have seen people make kits from scratch and try to
sell them as a Zenith kit ( in fact one such kit used non-aviation solid
rivets in the wings spars). We have all learned the Buyer Beware Motto,
but it gets hard to do when following our dream and people have prayed
off of this.
For this reason alone, the Zenith Dealers have discussed a way of
helping the person out by trying to ensure that the parts or uncompleted
kits are of value to them. We have also wanted a place to offer flying
planes that are of good quality in workmanship. It is our goal to view
all construction and parts before we list them on the HYPERLINK
"http://www.zacdealer.com/"www.zacdealer.com website. It is also our
intention to list accessories for the Zenith kits that are developed by
the dealers. This is an early announcement, but I am sure many of you
are tired of hearing about people being cheated or deceived. If your
after an assembly, a quick build kit or just some help, go to this
website or go directly to an Official Zenith Dealer. They are good
people with the appropriate knowledge and desire to help.
Please remember this website is just started and needs a lot of work
from ALL the Distributors yet, but it is a start in helping some of you
out.
HYPERLINK "http://www.zacdealer.com/"www.zacdealer.com
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
The very best method I've ever found is the Olfa knife and long
straight edge. The best straight edge I have in my garage is most
often the edge of another sheet of aluminum. With that methods I've
been able to scratch build every part of my control surfaces and
wings.
Larry Winger
601XL/Corvair
Tustin, CA
On Nov 17, 2007 6:54 AM, Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> All,
> What method did you all use to get nice long straight cuts of aluminum for the
wing spar web and
> others? Has anyone used a router with good results?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Art
>
>
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilding Tools |
Olfa Knife wins the straight edge award, read more here
http://www.ch601.org/tools/olfa.htm
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 halfway, Ch801 almost finished
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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| Subject: | of wrath and rants... |
Mark
Thank you for your post. I know that you have enough to worry about, but I
just want to comment that the new website does not display properly with
Firefox, my browser of choice. It displays just fine with IE, but, I would
hope that someone could make whatever mods are necessary so that it would
work with Firefox.
Terry
At 10:46 AM 11/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi List's From Time to time people offer parts for the Zenith Kits. I have
>absolutely no problem with this if they are parts that are of their own
>design. However when people start making parts right from Chris's drawings
>and sell them I don't understand why anyone would support this! If you are
>in need of a Zenith part, does it not make sense to buy directly from a
>Distributor or the Factory? All the problems we have been forced to read
>will disappear and remember the pretty girl in this picture spends her
>whole day doing this work, it is not a one off for her, it is how she
>feeds her kids.
>
>74b33e.jpg
>
>
>We have also had to hear about people building parts and making assemblies
>for Zenith Kits. This will always go on, I personally have no issue with
>someone creating a new assembly and selling their idea's for Chris
>Heintz's designs like William Wynne does. However, I do take pause when I
>see scratch builders using the blueprints Chris has developed, makes the
>exact same parts that Zenith does, then try's to sell them at a cheaper
>cost. One guy even builds ready to fly planes from scratch and claims it
>is a Zenith kit.
>
>
>As a dealer, I have now seen things I never would have though possible in
>this industry, I have seen people make kits from scratch and try to sell
>them as a Zenith kit ( in fact one such kit used non-aviation solid rivets
>in the wings spars). We have all learned the Buyer Beware Motto, but it
>gets hard to do when following our dream and people have prayed off of this.
>
>
>For this reason alone, the Zenith Dealers have discussed a way of helping
>the person out by trying to ensure that the parts or uncompleted kits are
>of value to them. We have also wanted a place to offer flying planes that
>are of good quality in workmanship. It is our goal to view all
>construction and parts before we list them on the
><http://www.zacdealer.com/>www.zacdealer.com website. It is also our
>intention to list accessories for the Zenith kits that are developed by
>the dealers. This is an early announcement, but I am sure many of you are
>tired of hearing about people being cheated or deceived. If your after an
>assembly, a quick build kit or just some help, go to this website or go
>directly to an Official Zenith Dealer. They are good people with the
>appropriate knowledge and desire to help.
>
>
>Please remember this website is just started and needs a lot of work from
>ALL the Distributors yet, but it is a start in helping some of you out.
>
><http://www.zacdealer.com/>www.zacdealer.com
>
>
>Mark Townsend
>
>Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>
><mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com>president@can-zacaviation.com
>
>www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>
>11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>
>11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>
>
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
It's probably too late for you to do this, but I had the aluminum supply shop shear
my wing spar webs, the flaperon pieces, and slat parts to the exact dimension
from the 12' sheet. They charged $5 per cut. The Olfa knife works well
too.
Bryan Ekholm
--------
Bryan Ekholm
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146651#146651
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
Hi Scott,
I put it in the tail on a .032 aluminum matching the fuselage with hinge
for easy access from below. See links,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/eltdwg.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/eltwired.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/eltbelow.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Scott Thatcher wrote:
> Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
> location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with
> the other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
>
> Scott
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Hi Guys, the online clothing store is over a years worth of work for me,
and more problems then I can to think about, I have been asked
repeatedly for this and now I would like to hear what you all think of
it! Please take a moment to at least browse it and let me know if you
like it or not. It has been a lot of effort and I just want to know I
didn't waste my time.
Visit it here.
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com
Mark
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carries the registered trademark logo of Can-Zac Aviation or Zenith
Aircraft Company.
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store Let your family know for Christmas
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Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
11/16/2007 9:52 AM
11/16/2007 9:52 AM
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
I put my ELT antenna on the bottom of the fuselage about 1 foot to the
rear of the trailing edge of the wing. My COM antenna is mounted on top
of the baggage compartment about 8" forward of the rear of the baggage
compartment. I used some scrap .025 as a doubler.
Leo Gates
N601Z Taildragger - HDS
Scott Thatcher wrote:
> Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
> location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with
> the other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
>
> Scott*_*
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
And I put my antenna on top near the rudder. The unit itself is on the
shelf rack and on the passenger side just below the shoulder attach point.
I put the "unit" there so I can reach it with a false activation. I ve had
ELTs go off in rough weather and because they were out of reach, I had to
land at the nearest airport to reset.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL ELT position
>
> I put my ELT antenna on the bottom of the fuselage about 1 foot to the
> rear of the trailing edge of the wing. My COM antenna is mounted on top
> of the baggage compartment about 8" forward of the rear of the baggage
> compartment. I used some scrap .025 as a doubler.
>
> Leo Gates
> N601Z Taildragger - HDS
>
> Scott Thatcher wrote:
>> Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
>> location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with the
>> other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
>> Scott*_*
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
Hmmm. I'm also using Firefox and it seems to display OK for me. What
part didn't render properly?
Bill
do not archive
Terry Phillips wrote:
> Mark
>
> Thank you for your post. I know that you have enough to worry about,
> but I just want to comment that the new website does not display
> properly with Firefox, my browser of choice. It displays just fine
> with IE, but, I would hope that someone could make whatever mods are
> necessary so that it would work with Firefox.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 11/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Hi Lists From Time to time people offer parts for the Zenith Kits. I
>> have absolutely no problem with this if they are parts that are of
>> their own design. However when people start making parts right from
>> Chriss drawings and sell them I dont understand why anyone would
>> support this! If you are in need of a Zenith part, does it not make
>> sense to buy directly from a Distributor or the Factory? All the
>> problems we have been forced to read will disappear and remember the
>> pretty girl in this picture spends her whole day doing this work, it
>> is not a one off for her, it is how she feeds her kids.
>>
>> 74b33e.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> We have also had to hear about people building parts and making
>> assemblies for Zenith Kits. This will always go on, I personally have
>> no issue with someone creating a new assembly and selling their
>> ideas for Chris Heintzs designs like William Wynne does. However, I
>> do take pause when I see scratch builders using the blueprints Chris
>> has developed, makes the exact same parts that Zenith does, then
>> trys to sell them at a cheaper cost. One guy even builds ready to
>> fly planes from scratch and claims it is a Zenith kit.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a dealer, I have now seen things I never would have though
>> possible in this industry, I have seen people make kits from scratch
>> and try to sell them as a Zenith kit ( in fact one such kit used
>> non-aviation solid rivets in the wings spars). We have all learned
>> the Buyer Beware Motto, but it gets hard to do when following our
>> dream and people have prayed off of this.
>>
>>
>>
>> For this reason alone, the Zenith Dealers have discussed a way of
>> helping the person out by trying to ensure that the parts or
>> uncompleted kits are of value to them. We have also wanted a place to
>> offer flying planes that are of good quality in workmanship. It is
>> our goal to view all construction and parts before we list them on
>> the www.zacdealer.com <http://www.zacdealer.com/> website. It is also
>> our intention to list accessories for the Zenith kits that are
>> developed by the dealers. This is an early announcement, but I am
>> sure many of you are tired of hearing about people being cheated or
>> deceived. If your after an assembly, a quick build kit or just some
>> help, go to this website or go directly to an Official Zenith Dealer.
>> They are good people with the appropriate knowledge and desire to help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please remember this website is just started and needs a lot of work
>> from ALL the Distributors yet, but it is a start in helping some of
>> you out.
>>
>> www.zacdealer.com <http://www.zacdealer.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Townsend
>>
>> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>>
>> president@can-zacaviation.com <mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com>
>>
>> www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>>
>> 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>>
>>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
Well (at least for my ELT) you can deactivate it after a false-trigger
from the remote switch:
-- Craig
Quoting steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>:
>
> And I put my antenna on top near the rudder. The unit itself is on
> the shelf rack and on the passenger side just below the shoulder
> attach point. I put the "unit" there so I can reach it with a false
> activation. I ve had ELTs go off in rough weather and because they
> were out of reach, I had to land at the nearest airport to reset.
> Steve W
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL ELT position
>
>
>>
>> I put my ELT antenna on the bottom of the fuselage about 1 foot to
>> the rear of the trailing edge of the wing. My COM antenna is
>> mounted on top of the baggage compartment about 8" forward of the
>> rear of the baggage compartment. I used some scrap .025 as a
>> doubler.
>>
>> Leo Gates
>> N601Z Taildragger - HDS
>>
>> Scott Thatcher wrote:
>>> Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
>>> location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with
>>> the other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
>>> Scott*_*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilding Tools |
Thanks for the advise Mark and Larry, never heard of an Olfa Knife but I will give
it shot.
do not archive
Art
--- ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
>
> Olfa Knife wins the straight edge award, read more here
> http://www.ch601.org/tools/olfa.htm
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 halfway, Ch801 almost finished
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
>
>
> 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
I've considered someone with a shear cutting it as well and this is definitely
an option.
I think I will start with the Olfa knife and go from there.
Thanks for your input.
do not archive
Art
--- Bryan Ekholm <bryanekholm@excite.com> wrote:
>
> It's probably too late for you to do this, but I had the aluminum supply shop
shear my wing spar
> webs, the flaperon pieces, and slat parts to the exact dimension from the 12'
sheet. They
> charged $5 per cut. The Olfa knife works well too.
>
> Bryan Ekholm
>
> --------
> Bryan Ekholm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146651#146651
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
Yes the text of the website is garbled in Safari as well.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
See attached images. 2nd one is when I click on the link in the email
message and it opens a new tab in Firefox. 1st one is when I use context
menu to view in an IE tab.
I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.9 on a Dell Inspiron Laptop, with Win XP Media
Center 2002 ed., SP 2.
Why it works for you and not for me is beyond me.
Terry
At 01:41 PM 11/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmm. I'm also using Firefox and it seems to display OK for me. What part
>didn't render properly?
>
>Bill
>
>do not archive
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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SaaaWeeeeeeT.
Thanks Mark...Move over MGB polos....hers comes the 701s! :D
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilding Tools |
Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch building.
The scene is made by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife
using a strait edge.
Hope this helps
Jean-Paul Roy
Jean-Paul Roy
royjp@yahoo.ca
Tl: (819)949-2216
Cell:(819)629-9360
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| Subject: | Re: Some pics of my cranks being nitrided |
Your email had no text. If you need anything you can call be at 502-644-8123
Jeff
In a message dated 11/17/2007 9:28:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sky_ranger161@yahoo.com writes:
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Thanks Jean-Paul I will do so.
Art
--- Jean-Paul Roy <royjp@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch building.
The scene is made
> by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife using a strait
edge.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
> royjp@yahoo.ca
> Tl: (819)949-2216
> Cell:(819)629-9360
>
> ---------------------------------
> Pour Nol, offrez un compte Flickr Pro vos amis et votre famille. Allez-y!
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
I'm also running Firefox 2.0.0.9, on a Dell desktop running XP Pro SP2.
Except for the font used in the links above the text (e.g.,
"Zodiac.htm"), I'm seeing the same thing that IE displays. My font is
larger than the IE font.
Bill
Do not archive
Terry Phillips wrote:
> See attached images. 2nd one is when I click on the link in the email
> message and it opens a new tab in Firefox. 1st one is when I use
> context menu to view in an IE tab.
>
> I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.9 on a Dell Inspiron Laptop, with Win XP Media
> Center 2002 ed., SP 2.
>
> Why it works for you and not for me is beyond me.
>
> Terry
>
>
> At 01:41 PM 11/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>> Hmmm. I'm also using Firefox and it seems to display OK for me. What
>> part didn't render properly?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
> Terry Phillips
> ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
> Corvallis MT
> 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
> http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Arm rest/console |
Would an arm rest and center console, 601ish fit on a 701? The cabin widths are
the same with the 701s bubble doors. It seems that it would make longer flights
easier on your right arm to have resting place during cruise.
--------
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
I have the panel mounted "test" button. If the gravity switch is activated
in turblence I can not deactivate the thing.... So, thats my experience. I
ve had three of these models over the years and each operated the same....
----- Original Message -----
From: <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL ELT position
>
> Well (at least for my ELT) you can deactivate it after a false-trigger
> from the remote switch:
>
> -- Craig
>
> Quoting steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>:
>
>>
>> And I put my antenna on top near the rudder. The unit itself is on the
>> shelf rack and on the passenger side just below the shoulder attach
>> point. I put the "unit" there so I can reach it with a false activation.
>> I ve had ELTs go off in rough weather and because they were out of reach,
>> I had to land at the nearest airport to reset.
>> Steve W
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo Gates" <leo@zuehlfield.com>
>> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL ELT position
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I put my ELT antenna on the bottom of the fuselage about 1 foot to the
>>> rear of the trailing edge of the wing. My COM antenna is mounted on top
>>> of the baggage compartment about 8" forward of the rear of the baggage
>>> compartment. I used some scrap .025 as a doubler.
>>>
>>> Leo Gates
>>> N601Z Taildragger - HDS
>>>
>>> Scott Thatcher wrote:
>>>> Can I get info on where many of you have placed your ELT? And the
>>>> location of your external antenna so that it doesn't interfere with the
>>>> other COM antenna? Thanks in advance.
>>>> Scott*_*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 HD/HDS parts photos (For Sale) |
Here are 8 photos of all the parts I have for sale.
The last photo with the carton I did NOT unload as it
is full of wing ribs and nose ribs. All the other
parts are self explanatory.
I have a pickup truck FULL of parts for sale as a
> PACKAGE ONLY.. WILL NOT SEPARATE. NO inventory of
> all the parts. Below is only a partial listing of
> all
> the stuff..
>
> 2/3 vertical tails. 2 firewalls formed. 1 complete
> set of wing spars. 2 sets of wing ribs. Form
> blocks
> for the entire airplane. 1 plansets. Flat stock
> sheets 3 different thicknesses. Box of small parts.
>
> Misc. other materials included. Rivets, 2 sizes. 1
> horizontal tail frame. 2 coils of aluminum, some
> drilled for?? (have never uncoiled them)..
>
> $5-6K in parts here. First $3500 cash takes it all.
>
> Located in St. Louis, MO.
>
> Questions, just ask. I am not the builder.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
>
P.S. If no one on the Zenith list buys them
in the next couple of weeks, they are going on
Barnstormers or Ebay for $5000.00..
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Art, not to be forward, but you are starting on a great adventure by
scratch building your plane. In this you will have a lot of learning,
most people who start this say great things about HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com 's DVD HYPERLINK
"http://www.homebuilthelp.com/Scratch.htm"Scratch Building Basics for
Metal Aircraft
HYPERLINK "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/Scratch.htm" I would like to
suggest that you pick this one up, it will show you how to use the Olfa
knife and many other questions you will have along the way. The
unfortunate part is the two guys doing the DVD are in no way actors and
you will be faced with having to watch them for 3 hours. Nevertheless,
you will learn a lot in a short time. In fact I would guarantee that if
you did not learn anything I will cover the cost of the DVD personally.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
"http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Art
Olechowski
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools
<ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
I've considered someone with a shear cutting it as well and this is
definitely an option.
I think I will start with the Olfa knife and go from there.
Thanks for your input.
do not archive
Art
--- Bryan Ekholm <bryanekholm@excite.com> wrote:
<bryanekholm@excite.com>
>
> It's probably too late for you to do this, but I had the aluminum
supply shop shear my wing spar
> webs, the flaperon pieces, and slat parts to the exact dimension from
the 12' sheet. They
> charged $5 per cut. The Olfa knife works well too.
>
> Bryan Ekholm
>
> --------
> Bryan Ekholm
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146651#146651
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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Hi Rick, don't forget to get your planes registration stitched in on
your Jacket if you order one.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rroberts
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It's here
SaaaWeeeeeeT.
Thanks Mark...Move over MGB polos....hers comes the 701s! :D
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146685#146685
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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Thanks Paul, Also note that if you have a High resolution picture of
your plane you can submit It and we can have it printed on the shirt.
That=92s right the shirts are printed on directly not pressed like the
cheap ones. I have taken every step possible to ensure that it is the
highest quality we can get. Most of the clothing Is embroidered using
Madeira threads and the T-shirts are as stated printed right on the
shirt by the printer. These are the highest platforms in the industry.
Hey Rick , when you get a great picture of that flying Dragon, submit it
and get the T-Shirt !!! Then you can say =93Been There-Done that-Got the
Shirt!!!=94
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul
Roy
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
Mark, it's a great idea to set up the online shop. I've been wanting to
get shirts and t-shirts for quite a while but did not know where to ask.
I'm also delighted to see you have product line from CANZAC as well.
You'll be hearing from me soon.
Regards
Jean-Paul Roy
Jean-Paul Roy
royjp@yahoo.ca
T=E9l: (819)949-2216
Cell:(819)629-9360
_____
Pour No=EBl, offrez un compte Flickr Pro =E0 vos amis et =E0 votre
famille.HYPERLINK "http://www.flickr.com/gift/" Allez-y!
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: RE:promoshop |
Well, from the 'shameless and ashamed of myself a little'
department....... I would LOVE to get the HomebuiltlHELP girl printed on
my shirts... (just as a logo, of course) !
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE:promoshop
Thanks Paul, Also note that if you have a High resolution picture of
your plane you can submit It and we can have it printed on the shirt.
That's right the shirts are printed on directly not pressed like the
cheap ones. I have taken every step possible to ensure that it is the
highest quality we can get. Most of the clothing Is embroidered using
Madeira threads and the T-shirts are as stated printed right on the
shirt by the printer. These are the highest platforms in the industry.
Hey Rick , when you get a great picture of that flying Dragon, submit
it and get the T-Shirt !!! Then you can say "Been There-Done that-Got
the Shirt!!!"
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
Rule number 1 towards being a "honest" businessman.
Don't cash or run through a customers credit card payment till you have
shipped the item. If you receive compensation and don't deliver that do
esn't pass the smell test, in fact it borders on fraud. If you are reall
y behind in filling orders then DON'T cash someones checks....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Thomas Henderson" <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
I normally wouldn=92t reply to an email like this on-list, a
nd this will be my one and only on-list. Jeff, I sent both of those ema
ils TO YOU Thursday (yesterday), and you WILL have your tanks in your ha
nger by next week. I did fall behind in things, as I believe everyone i
nvolved knows. However, the last bit of things are going out to those i
nvolved. They went out, or are going out, late, and that=92s my fault.
Anyone involved has been very gracious and patient and I appreciate tha
t to the extreme. It does speak to the kind of people we have in the av
iation community, as you mentioned.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "
urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I received the email below from you on Wednesday afternoon.
Try as I might, it=92s tough to get something back from the welder and
across the country that soon. J I received a second email from you aft
er that, which I will not insult the list with. Suffice it to say, you
mention that WW (of Corvair engine fame) was on the receiving end of you
r wrath as well. We all get behind, even very behind at times, as was t
he case with both myself and WW. Things are being made right though, an
d the loose ends are being shipped out (including your tanks).
Finally, I suppose I should apologize to the list. I don=92
t think this is the place for rants, although many of us do on occasion.
If anyone has any questions, please don=92t hesitate to email me off-l
ist.
Working hard to finish up,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist
I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email
is admin@arachnidrobotics.com he is selling snake oil and we all need to
spread this to every list we are on. He claims to be advertising kits f
or the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers after he gets your mon
ey. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a 601 what I thought
about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling he was going
to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email he sent
me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He is
now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... i
sn't that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morni
ng and turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community i
s comprised of mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into t
hat. If anyone else has done business with this man please send me any i
nfo you can so I can take this guy out of business.
I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but
after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money.
I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear
of never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that hav
e ordered parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can k
eep aviation honest.
Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me.
FROM ME
Tom,
I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you o
r the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3
months ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600
for each referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to ta
ke further action to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is
the 14th of Nov. I will expect the check or tanks by the 16th.
Good day
Jeff Garrett
297 Smith Ln.
Louisville, Ky. 40229
502-644-8123
REPLY
Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things
and got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several d
ue back from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks
for the reminder.
I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers.
No Call again
Next email
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with
your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your direc
tion two months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard
anything to the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, bu
t they're finally to a normal pace again.
I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking u
p from the welder tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly a
fter that.
Talk to you tomorrow,
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I'll take one of the HomebuiltHelp gal ! ! ! !
I need to find a good background for the Dragooon. To me Purple and black seems
hard to photograph???
:?
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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Yup...dun it ! ! !
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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You might find these tips helpful:
http://www.kitcar.com/curts-fototips.html
On Nov 17, 2007 6:47 PM, rroberts <n701rr@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'll take one of the HomebuiltHelp gal ! ! ! !
>
> I need to find a good background for the Dragooon. To me Purple and black seems
hard to photograph???
>
> :?
>
> --------
> Low & Slow
> Rick
> www.n701rr.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146724#146724
>
>
--
Sean Moore
moore.sean@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Regulator-Rectifier |
I have a Rotax 912 and it is overcharging. I can't find anything in the manuals
of how to check if it is a bad regulator. If it is charging does that mean it
is a bad regulator?
Thanks,
Jack
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Getting a little off topic Jon but I've been meaning
to ask you where you found that lovely model to use on
your logo?
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- Jon Croke <Jon@joncroke.com> wrote:
> Well, from the 'shameless and ashamed of myself a
> little' department....... I would LOVE to get the
> HomebuiltlHELP girl printed on my shirts... (just
> as a logo, of course) !
>
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | of wrath and rants... |
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
You probably need some extensions or updates. On your browser, go to
Tools/advanced/update, check automatic download and install updates.
That keeps me running, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Phillips
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: of wrath and rants...
Mark
Thank you for your post. I know that you have enough to worry about,
but I just want to comment that the new website does not display
properly with Firefox, my browser of choice. It displays just fine with
IE, but, I would hope that someone could make whatever mods are
necessary so that it would work with Firefox.
Terry
At 10:46 AM 11/17/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Hi List's From Time to time people offer parts for the Zenith Kits.
I have absolutely no problem with this if they are parts that are of
their own design. However when people start making parts right from
Chris's drawings and sell them I don't understand why anyone would
support this! If you are in need of a Zenith part, does it not make
sense to buy directly from a Distributor or the Factory? All the
problems we have been forced to read will disappear and remember the
pretty girl in this picture spends her whole day doing this work, it is
not a one off for her, it is how she feeds her kids.
We have also had to hear about people building parts and making
assemblies for Zenith Kits. This will always go on, I personally have no
issue with someone creating a new assembly and selling their idea's for
Chris Heintz's designs like William Wynne does. However, I do take pause
when I see scratch builders using the blueprints Chris has developed,
makes the exact same parts that Zenith does, then try's to sell them at
a cheaper cost. One guy even builds ready to fly planes from scratch and
claims it is a Zenith kit.
As a dealer, I have now seen things I never would have though
possible in this industry, I have seen people make kits from scratch and
try to sell them as a Zenith kit ( in fact one such kit used
non-aviation solid rivets in the wings spars). We have all learned the
Buyer Beware Motto, but it gets hard to do when following our dream and
people have prayed off of this.
For this reason alone, the Zenith Dealers have discussed a way of
helping the person out by trying to ensure that the parts or uncompleted
kits are of value to them. We have also wanted a place to offer flying
planes that are of good quality in workmanship. It is our goal to view
all construction and parts before we list them on the www.zacdealer.com
website. It is also our intention to list accessories for the Zenith
kits that are developed by the dealers. This is an early announcement,
but I am sure many of you are tired of hearing about people being
cheated or deceived. If your after an assembly, a quick build kit or
just some help, go to this website or go directly to an Official Zenith
Dealer. They are good people with the appropriate knowledge and desire
to help.
Please remember this website is just started and needs a lot of work
from ALL the Distributors yet, but it is a start in helping some of you
out.
www.zacdealer.com
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
11/16/2007 10:58 PM
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the
stab
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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11/17/2007 2:55 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Oh come on Mark, you and David did a great job. And
don't forget about Mr. Sock.
Do no archive
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
And owner of almost all of Jon's DVDs
--- ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> Art, not to be forward, but you are starting on a
> great adventure by
> scratch building your plane. The
> unfortunate part is the two guys doing the DVD are
> in no way actors and
> you will be faced with having to watch them for 3
> hours. Nevertheless,
> you will learn a lot in a short time.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
ELT only broadcasts in an emergency so don't worry about the antenna interferring
with anything. Mine is in the area behind the seat back (601XL) and the external
antenna isright behind the gear channel.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
I agree 100% once they have your money you are at their mercy. I have had
several people ask me where to send their cranks and the check and I told th
em
to send the crank and they could pay for it after it was ready to ship. I
believe it is a simple fact that if you pay someone for a part you should n
ever
have to give them more than 25% that way they have to work for the rest.
Jeff
In a message dated 11/17/2007 8:39:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
n801bh@netzero.com writes:
Rule number 1 towards being a "honest" businessman.
Don't cash or run through a customers credit card payment till you have
shipped the item. If you receive compensation and don't deliver that doesn'
t pass
the smell test, in fact it borders on fraud. If you are really behind in
filling orders then DON'T cash someone's checks....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Thomas Henderson" <admin@arachnidrobotics.com> wrote:
I normally wouldn=99t reply to an email like this on-list, and this wi
ll be my
one and only on-list. Jeff, I sent both of those emails TO YOU Thursday
(yesterday), and you WILL have your tanks in your hanger by next week. I d
id
fall behind in things, as I believe everyone involved knows. However, the
last bit of things are going out to those involved. They went out, or are
going out, late, and that=99s my fault. Anyone involved has been very
gracious and
patient and I appreciate that to the extreme. It does speak to the kind of
people we have in the aviation community, as you mentioned.
I received the email below from you on Wednesday afternoon. Try as I might,
it=99s tough to get something back from the welder and across the cou
ntry that
soon. J I received a second email from you after that, which I will not
insult the list with. Suffice it to say, you mention that WW (of Corvair e
ngine
fame) was on the receiving end of your wrath as well. We all get behind,
even very behind at times, as was the case with both myself and WW. Things
are
being made right though, and the loose ends are being shipped out (includin
g
your tanks).
Finally, I suppose I should apologize to the list. I don=99t think th
is is the
place for rants, although many of us do on occasion. If anyone has any
questions, please don=99t hesitate to email me off-list.
Working hard to finish up,
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Afterfxllc@aol
.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Scam artist
I would like to warn everyone about a man named TOM HENDERSON his email is
_admin@arachnidrobotics.com_ (mailto:admin@arachnidrobotics.com) he is
selling snake oil and we all need to spread this to every list we are on. H
e claims
to be advertising kits for the 601xl for 5,500.00 and then never delivers
after he gets your money. I was asked by one person that wanted to build a
601
what I thought about this kit and price and I told him I had a gut feeling
he
was going to rip him off and sure enough he did. I am attaching his email h
e
sent me regarding the 15 gal wing tanks he ordered and never received. He i
s
now saying he will give 600.00 for each referral you send his way.... isn't
that generous???? I am contacting the attorney general Monday morning and
turn this ass hole in. I have found that the aviation community is comprise
d of
mainly honest people and this guy really cuts deep into that. If anyone els
e
has done business with this man please send me any info you can so I can ta
ke
this guy out of business.
I was told that when he first started out he did deliver some parts but
after he lost his job he quit delivering and kept the money.
I think a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they have a fear of
never getting their parts but I have a news flash for those that have order
ed
parts (you never will) so send me a email off list so we can keep aviation
honest.
Here are some emails I sent him and he sent to me.
FROM ME
Tom,
I think it has been long enough. I will expect either a check from you or
the 15 gal. tanks, The builder (name with held) ordered these over 3 mont
hs
ago. I also received another email you had sent out offering 600 for each
referral. You need to make this right or I will be forced to take further a
ction
to insure you don't rip off any other builders. It is the 14th of Nov. I wi
ll
expect the check or tanks by the 16th.
Good day
Jeff Garrett
297 Smith Ln.
Louisville, Ky. 40229
502-644-8123
REPLY
Sorry about that Jeff, I got involved in finishing up some other things and
got behind. I'll get the tanks right out to you. I have several due bac
k
from welding Friday, which I will get right out to you. Thanks for the
reminder.
I'll talk to you soon with tracking numbers.
No Call again
Next email
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry to have caused a problem with
your build schedule. I thought I had gotten the tanks headed your directio
n two
months ago, and didn't give it any thought since I hadn't heard anything to
the contrary. I let things get way to busy a month ago, but they're finall
y
to a normal pace again.
I will definitely get your tanks out for you. I'm picking up from the welde
r
tomorrow afternoon, and I'll give you a call shortly after that.
Talk to you tomorrow,
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