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4. 10:35 AM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (Cort Sims)
5. 12:09 PM - ground school (Elden Jacobson)
6. 12:39 PM - Re: hds drawing (ZodieRocket)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (Malcolm Hunt)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: ground school (Chet's Mail)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl (ashontz)
10. 02:13 PM - Re: ground school (Paul Mulwitz)
11. 02:40 PM - Re: ground school (Terry Phillips)
12. 02:46 PM - Re: ground school (Phil Maxson)
13. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl (Larry Winger)
14. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl (Debo Cox)
15. 03:49 PM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc (SockPuppet61)
16. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl (Terry Turnquist)
17. 05:12 PM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc (kmccune)
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20. 06:32 PM - Re:ground school (MaxNr@aol.com)
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22. 07:11 PM - Fuel tank sealing (ashontz)
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Had a senior's moment yesterday re lock wiring the above. Transport Canada
inspectors don't require lockwire on rod ends. They look for thread lock
(blue) and index marks so that you can see if the jam nuts have moved. I
used red dots.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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1. 03:45 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Spar Jig Question (Gary Ray)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (David Downey)
3. 03:50 AM - Re: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
(David Downey)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (David Downey)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (Art Olechowski)
6. 07:51 AM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (Jaybannist@cs.com)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: Electrical grounding with a primed airframe (John M. Goodings)
8. 10:44 AM - Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe. (steveadams)
9. 10:48 AM - Flanging Dies (Art Olechowski)
10. 10:51 AM - Spar cap angles on 601xl (ashontz)
11. 11:04 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Spar Jig Question (lwhitlow)
12. 11:13 AM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc (kmccune)
13. 02:53 PM - Construction Pictures Update (George Race)
14. 04:02 PM - Re: Flanging Dies (Ron Lalonde)
15. 04:21 PM - Re: .093 vs .125 Angle (David Downey)
16. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
(Paul Mulwitz)
17. 05:19 PM - Re: 601 HD power VS speed (Canatukker)
18. 05:44 PM - Re: Aluminum source in Minneapolis/ST Paul (Bryan Ekholm)
19. 05:57 PM - Re: 701 Arm rest/console (kmccune)
20. 06:00 PM - Re: Aluminum source in Minneapolis/ST Paul (kmccune)
21. 07:26 PM - Re: Flanging Dies (Art Olechowski)
22. 07:43 PM - Re: Flanging Dies (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc)
23. 08:51 PM - Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl (Ron Lendon)
24. 09:06 PM - Re: AOA port location (Craig Payne)
25. 09:47 PM - Re: hds drawing (Dave Thompson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 03:45:20 AM PST US
From: "Gary Ray" <davgray@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Spar Jig Question
Larry
I don't have my plans handy for the actual measurements.
The wing jig establishes the angle and distance between the tilted front
spar carry thru and the tilted rear spar carry thru.
I believe the hole placement is important since the dihedral and the tilt of
the spar carry thru will affect the geometry of the fit. This effect can
also be seen in the forward sweep of the wing tips after your wings are on.
Be sure that after you make the right and left jigs that they match up
perfectly when standing next to each other face to face. They are right &
left handed as are the wings. If not something is wrong. My first attempt
was off due to a slightly bad measurement and they did not match by more
than 1 inch which would have messed up my wing attachment later.
Due to storage space my wings were never matched to the fuselage until
attachment at the hanger. With accurate jigs I did not run into any
surprises. This was an item of concern. I did take the jigs to the wings,
which were built before the fuselage, to measure and compare but it is
another of the mirror image problems when measuring.
It is possible to confirm the future fit.
Gary Ray, 601XL, 58 TT
----- Original Message -----
From: "lwhitlow" <ldwhitlow@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Spar Jig Question
>
> I'm stumped and the drawings /photo guide aren't as clear to me as I would
like.SOOOOOOO Here's the question
>
> Page 5 of the photo guide WING JIG REF 6-B-14
>
> I'm trying to drill the holes in the spar insert but I'm not quite sure
where they go
>
> Looking at the little drawing in the upper Right of page 5 I that one of
the holes is 132mm from the extrusion Is this the bottom hole or the top??
>
> Once I establish that I can use the Pic at the bottom to find the other
hole
>
> And then the second question is After I get done building this jig, When
is it used?? I see no other mention of it in the photo guide after you make
it??
>
> Or do you just use it to check the spar to rear channel distance as you go
along
>
> Thanks
>
> Larry Whitlow
> 601XL/Jabiru 3300 50% done 80% to go, Engine due in February
>
> One of the last kits before the CNC kits started coming out
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148108#148108
>
>
> --
5:15 PM
>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 03:47:42 AM PST US
From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: .093 vs .125 Angle
since Wicks lists the 0.062 at 0.106 lb/running root and 0.125 at 0.200 lb/running
foot, I would assume that the value for 0.09375 would be calculatable.
Hey all you scratch builders have any of you calculated the weight increase when
using the .125
3/4" X 3/4" angle opposed to the kit supplied .093 thickness? I imagine the amount
is small but it
does reduce your useful load. Does anyone know what the per foot weight of .093
is? If not could
one of the kit builders measure and weigh a piece, then post it for archiving?
Thanks,
Art
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Time: 03:50:07 AM PST US
From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
running them separately is desirable to minimize the potential for a battery direct
short in the case of wear or an incident. Of course with an aluminum airframe,
that may be a moot point!
Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote: Hi Geoff & Ed,
I guess it was me you refer to, Ed . . . :-) . . .
No, I would not suggest twisting the battery cables. These are the extra heavy
gauge wires needed to supply the 100 or so amps to the starter for a few seconds
at a time. Twisting would be appropriate if they were high frequence signal
wires, but this is a high current DC application.
You can probably run the wires together to the engine compartment if you like.
The only caveat is you need to make sure the insulation is not broken so a short
can occur. You will probably ground the aluminum in the airplane anyway
(connect to the negative battery contact) so the only real critical insulation
is on the positive lead cable.
If you prefer to run them separately then that is fine too.
One more comment. Several guys seem to think the engine mount is a good place
to form your single ground point for the whole plane. This means the place the
negative battery lead is attached and as many other negative lead wires as
you connect to ground. Actually, I would prefer some piece of copper or aluminum
(bus bar?) for this purpose. The steel engine mount is probably the worst
electrical conductor in the whole plane, and it would be better to use a good
conductor for this purpose.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 10:56 AM 11/23/2007, you wrote:
Might be good to run them as a twisted pair. Electronic gurus on the list can
confirm or correct.
Dred
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Heap
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:06 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
As usual everyone came through. Thanks for the help. This is why I send Matt
Draille 60 bucks every year. I have to go with the majority. I'm sure I wont
regret having a better electrical system.
Now the question becomes. How close can I have these two cables to each
other? I'm assuming it would be a problem running them side by side....Geoff
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 05:19:28 AM PST US
From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: .093 vs .125 Angle
maybe 0.09375" but certainly not 0.032"???
"T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net> wrote: Cut a piece of 0.032 x 1.5
inch x 12 inches long. Weight it and that is the delta/ft. (with a 1 inch
long piece it would be the delta per inch)
Tony Graziano
------------
Subject: .093 vs .125 Angle From:
Art Olechowski (ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri Nov
23 - 7:43 PM
Hey all you scratch builders have any of you calculated the weight increase when
using the .125
3/4" X 3/4" angle opposed to the kit supplied .093 thickness? I imagine the amount
is small but it
does reduce your useful load. Does anyone know what the per foot weight of .093
is? If not could
one of the kit builders measure and weigh a piece, then post it for archiving?
Thanks,
Art
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:44:22 AM PST US
From: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: .093 vs .125 Angle
John,
Kind of figured someone had determined the weight penalty. Thanks, John.
Art
--- Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
>
> If you are refering to the 701 it's about a 4 # penalty. John
>
>
>
>
> >
> >Hey all you scratch builders have any of you calculated the weight increase
when using the .125
> >3/4" X 3/4" angle opposed to the kit supplied .093 thickness? I imagine the
amount is small but
> it
> >does reduce your useful load. Does anyone know what the per foot weight of
.093 is? If not
> could
> >one of the kit builders measure and weigh a piece, then post it for archiving?
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Art
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:51:03 AM PST US
From: Jaybannist@cs.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: .093 vs .125 Angle
Dave, As with about a third of your posts, there was no message in the original
posting. When I hit "reply", your complete posting showed up.
Jay
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>since Wicks lists the 0.062 at 0.106 lb/running root and 0.125 at 0.200 lb/running
foot, I would assume that the value for 0.09375 would be calculatable.
>
>
>Hey all you scratch builders have any of you calculated the weight increase when
using the .125
>3/4" X 3/4" angle opposed to the kit supplied .093 thickness? I imagine the amount
is small but it
>does reduce your useful load. Does anyone know what the per foot weight of .093
is? If not could
>one of the kit builders measure and weigh a piece, then post it for archiving?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Art
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:02:19 AM PST US
From: "John M. Goodings" <goodings@yorku.ca>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical grounding with a primed airframe
I would run the pair of battery cables close together; twisting them is
not necessary. Here is my reasoning - long on theory and speculation!
Radiation pick-up, particularly of radio frequency, is a black art. We
have had a difficult time removing noise from a Becker transponder which
was getting onto our ICOM radio, and breaking up the transmission and
reception. We were able to trace the noise as being present on the power
bus, to which the radio was attached. The cure was to place an
(electrically isolated) Ameri-King noise filter in the power leads to the
radio. Other locations of the filter should have worked, but did not.
How does any of this apply to the question posed about the battery leads?
If the long battery leads are well separated, what you have created is one
turn of a large coil which is an integral part of the power bus. A large
turn of a coil has appreciable inductance, which can act as an antenna for
radio frequency. The inductance increases with the area of the coil; two
wires close together have only a very small coil area. In our case, we
did not have long battery leads. Nevertheless, the principles outlined
above are basically sound. Thus, if I had long battery leads, I would NOT
separate them!
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa, Toronto/Waterloo.
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:44:20 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I don't know if you follow Bob Nucholls stuff in the Aeroelectric section, but
this topic has come up there numerous times. I'm no electrical expert so I can
only say what I have done and what experts like Bob have recommended. Basically
with an aluminum airframe there is no reason to run a ground cable forward
to the firewall. There is enough contact with the rivets, even if everything is
primed, to provide an ample path for the electrons to flow. You'll find more
resistance in a 2 G cable than you'll see in the airframe. You can also safely
ground pitot heat, landing lights, and position lights locally.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148273#148273
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:48:04 AM PST US
From: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Flanging Dies
Hi all just thought I would shoot out the link of the source of the machined flanging
dies.
Anyone have a set of these? If so, are you happy with results they make?
http://www.skysailor.org/
Art
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:51:16 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Spar cap angles on 601xl
From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Question for those using the butt joint method for the spar cap angles (two shorter
lengths instead of one nearly 12 foot length spar cap angle). Seeing as how
this is a work around for people with shorter bending brakes and is not in
the plans, what is the length of the doubler that spans that butt joint?
Thanks
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148275#148275
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 11:04:04 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Wing Spar Jig Question
From: "lwhitlow" <ldwhitlow@comcast.net>
Gary
After a little sleep and your's and Paul's notes, things have become much clearer.
Combined with READING THE RIGHT PAGE OF THE PLANS [Embarassed] !!!!!!!
It seems in my stupor, I never looked at 6-B-13 which clearly shows the location
of the holes. I was only looking at 6-B-14 and the Photo guide.
I feel pretty silly but thanks to you guys and the list, I have once again avoided
the dreaded STUPIDITY SYNDROME ( tm ) [Rolling Eyes]
Now back to my other hobby Nuclear Physics where accuracy is not as necessary [Wink]
Thanks Guys
Larry
davgray(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Larry
>
> I don't have my plans handy for the actual measurements.
>
> The wing jig establishes the angle and distance between the tilted front
> spar carry thru and the tilted rear spar carry thru.
>
> I believe the hole placement is important since the dihedral and the tilt of
> the spar carry thru will affect the geometry of the fit. This effect can
> also be seen in the forward sweep of the wing tips after your wings are on.
>
> Be sure that after you make the right and left jigs that they match up
> perfectly when standing next to each other face to face. They are right &
> left handed as are the wings. If not something is wrong. My first attempt
> was off due to a slightly bad measurement and they did not match by more
> than 1 inch which would have messed up my wing attachment later.
> Due to storage space my wings were never matched to the fuselage until
> attachment at the hanger. With accurate jigs I did not run into any
> surprises. This was an item of concern. I did take the jigs to the wings,
> which were built before the fuselage, to measure and compare but it is
> another of the mirror image problems when measuring.
> It is possible to confirm the future fit.
>
> Gary Ray, 601XL, 58 TT
>
>
> ---
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________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 11:13:09 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
RE: 90hp
I just found this Dyno curve last night for the G13B. It is of a stock 1.3l GTI/GT
injected but not turbo-ed engine. I don't know what Raven does to the engine,
if anything, but stock for stock it appears to compare very nicely with
the 912S for a lot less!
Kevin
--------
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________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 02:53:42 PM PST US
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Construction Pictures Update
Over the past months, several of you have ask about picture updates on my
web site. I FINALLY got around to it toady!
There are 386 pictures on the site for you to now see, out of the almost
1500 I have taken so far.
Included are my modification for dual sticks, electric flap actuator, rear
bottom service access, and a lot more little things that I have added along
the way.
You can get directly to the pictures at:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/index.htm
George Race
Albion MI
Building Zenith CH-701
N73EX (Reserved)
do not archive
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 04:02:26 PM PST US
From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flanging Dies
Flanging blanks? What about a completed set..I think these need to be machi
ned
Ron
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:47:23 -0800> From: ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> Sub
ject: Zenith-List: Flanging Dies> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Zeni
th-List message posted by: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>> > Hi a
ll just thought I would shoot out the link of the source of the machined fl
anging dies.> Anyone have a set of these? If so, are you happy with results
==================> > >
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Time: 04:21:41 PM PST US
From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: .093 vs .125 Angle
Thanks Jay;
....and I am not smart enough to figure out how to fix it!
Dave, As with about a third of your posts, there was no message in the original
posting. When I hit "reply", your complete posting showed up.
Jay
David Downey
wrote:
>since Wicks lists the 0.062 at 0.106 lb/running root and 0.125 at 0.200 lb/running
foot, I would assume that the value for 0.09375 would be calculatable.
>
>
>Hey all you scratch builders have any of you calculated the weight increase when
using the .125
>3/4" X 3/4" angle opposed to the kit supplied .093 thickness? I imagine the amount
is small but it
>does reduce your useful load. Does anyone know what the per foot weight of .093
is? If not could
>one of the kit builders measure and weigh a piece, then post it for archiving?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Art
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 04:32:52 PM PST US
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: PROBLEM. Electrical Grounding with a primed airframe.
Hi Steve,
I'm sure you are right about the resistance of the aluminum airframe
compared to the much smaller cross section copper cable. However, I
don't think this is the only issue.
It seems to me that it is much safer to use the ground cable to get
from a remote battery to the engine compartment. If you rely on the
airframe for this purpose, I would certainly install an avionics
master switch and make sure the avionics are isolated when the
starter is operated.
I realize there is a weight penalty using the copper cable for
grounding the battery. However, moving the weight around to get the
CG in order is the whole point of moving the battery anyway. OK,
this is a lame argument . . .
Paul
XL fuselage
At 10:40 AM 11/24/2007, you wrote:
>I don't know if you follow Bob Nucholls stuff in the Aeroelectric
>section, but this topic has come up there numerous times. I'm no
>electrical expert so I can only say what I have done and what
>experts like Bob have recommended. Basically with an aluminum
>airframe there is no reason to run a ground cable forward to the
>firewall. There is enough contact with the rivets, even if
>everything is primed, to provide an ample path for the electrons to
>flow. You'll find more resistance in a 2 G cable than you'll see in
>the airframe. You can also safely ground pitot heat, landing lights,
>and position lights locally.
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 05:19:55 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 HD power VS speed
From: "Canatukker" <waterkant@gmail.com>
eedetail wrote:
> 80 HP Rotax 912UL.
> 105 mph TAS at about 4900 rpm, 4.7 gph (I figure 5gph)
> Note that factory says 75% power at 8000 feet is 5800 rpm, full throttle.
> Ivo inflight adjustable 3 blade prop, I will be adding a MAP gage, so more experimentation
is in order.
> TimE
How big(long) are Your Ivo blades I have used In flight adjust before on a Fisher
Super Koala 912 and was very happy with it take off like a rocket
now i'm looking to put one on my zodiac 601 ul 912 ul thanks for You'r replay
Ron.
P.S. I also have my eye on a Kiev or Kool prop. if anyone has some input I'm looking
forward to it.
--------
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________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 05:44:02 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum source in Minneapolis/ST Paul
From: "Bryan Ekholm" <bryanekholm@excite.com>
Kevin,
I bought my sheet and plate aluminum from Erickson Metals in Coon Rapids, MN, a
suburb to the North-West of Minneapolis. The Aluminum tube I picked up from
Discount Steel and Aluminum in Minneapolis.
Bryan Ekholm
--------
Bryan Ekholm
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________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 05:57:26 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Arm rest/console
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Here it is,
Kevin
--------
Kevin
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148327#148327
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________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 06:00:55 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aluminum source in Minneapolis/ST Paul
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Thanks for the info guys! I hope to meet you guys to see what my pile of parts
can be!
Kevin
PS I get to Coon Rapids every once in awhile so that should work.
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Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US
From: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flanging Dies
Ron,
I'm glad you looked at those closer than I did, your absolutly correct they are
flanging blanks.
Art
--- Ron Lalonde <rlalonde@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Flanging blanks? What about a completed set..I think these need to be machined
> Ron
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:47:23 -0800> From: ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> Subject:
Zenith-List:
> Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>> > Hi all just thought I would shoot out
the link of the
> source of the machined flanging dies.> Anyone have a set of these? If so, are
you happy with
> results==================> > >
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Time: 07:43:34 PM PST US
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Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flanging Dies
Art..
Check these out... Ron
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:-{ Ron,
:-{ I'm glad you looked at those closer than I did, your absolutly
:-{ correct they are flanging blanks.
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Time: 08:51:05 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Is this the splice you are talking about? Found it on ch601.org
http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm
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Time: 09:06:36 PM PST US
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: AOA port location
Are you worried about the distance fore/aft distance from the leading edge
or from the wing tip or both? AFS's install manual gives some guidance on
cord distance. I have embedded 5 pictures of the right wing of Mike Sigman's
601XL (N7092N). Basically he placed the probes forward (but close to) the
spar and outside (but close to) the outmost nose rib. Just don't forget to
offset the upper and lower probes so they don't hit when you close the wing
J.
My reading indicates that the placement is not extremely critical and that
the calibration can accommodated a range of placements.
If the pictures don't make it through let me know and I'll mail them to you
direct.
-- Craig
IMG_0938
IMG_0937
IMG_0930
IMG_0931
IMG_0932
-- Craig
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 09:47:22 PM PST US
From: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hds drawing
Back in the mid 80's my Dad, Brother & I built a Quickie. We put together a
three view line drawing and took copies to the local City College Art
Department. We found an art teacher who agreed to distribute them to the Art
Students. We offered a gift Certificate for Dinner for two at a local
restaurant for the best paint scheme. We got over 30 entries back!
We got some very interesting ideas back, some elegant and some, well not so.
The end result was a mixture of ideas. We ended up giving a Pizza party for
all the people who wanted to come see the plane after it was painted.
We had lots of fun and got a bunch of good ideas.
Dave Thompson
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Sorry listers,
When I opened the digest on my blackberry it instantly replied with the entire
digest. My apologies.
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| Subject: | Re: .093 vs .125 Angle |
I got .1532 lb (rounded off) per foot for 0.09375. At that rate if you used
about 85 feet of .125 you would increase the total weight of the aircraft by
4 pounds over the kit supplied materials.
Cort Sims,
cortsims@verizon.net
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As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But LSA now
offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that. I do not
expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but it is obvious
that the larger picture has changed almost beyond recognition, what with radios,
controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "ground school."
I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be the
most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again.
Thanks,
Elden
xl/3300
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I took a 3 view line drawing to a Grade 5 class and let them at it for
an art project. You may find that you have to refine some of the finer
points but of all the pictures I got back I was able to see 3 paint
schemes I would enjoy. Be creative in you rapproach.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: hds drawing
Back in the mid 80=92s my Dad, Brother & I built a Quickie. We put
together a three view line drawing and took copies to the local City
College Art Department. We found an art teacher who agreed to distribute
them to the Art Students. We offered a gift Certificate for Dinner for
two at a local restaurant for the best paint scheme. We got over 30
entries back!
We got some very interesting ideas back, some elegant and some, well not
so. The end result was a mixture of ideas. We ended up giving a Pizza
party for all the people who wanted to come see the plane after it was
painted.
We had lots of fun and got a bunch of good ideas.
Dave Thompson
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| Subject: | Re: .093 vs .125 Angle |
Fellow builders
Don't forget that you have to bend the upper front longerons 6B11-1 to a
curvature around the cockpit. The .093 angle supplied by CZAW (and I assume
Zenith in the States) has a square intersection of legs i.e. the was no
internal radius in the corner. The thicker angle, particularly if radiused,
will need more force to bend.
Hope this is a help not a hindrance.
Malcolm Hunt
CH601XL plans builder in England
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From: "Cort Sims" <cortsims@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: .093 vs .125 Angle
>
> I got .1532 lb (rounded off) per foot for 0.09375. At that rate if you
> used
> about 85 feet of .125 you would increase the total weight of the aircraft
> by
> 4 pounds over the kit supplied materials.
> Cort Sims,
> cortsims@verizon.net
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| Subject: | Re: ground school |
Hello:
As new comer to the list, I would suggest that you find a older flight
instructor.
Chet
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From: Elden Jacobson
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: ground school
As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years.
But LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change
that. I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft
itself, but it is obvious that the larger picture has changed almost
beyond recognition, what with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.;
in brief, the stuff of "ground school."
I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found
to be the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming
current again.
Thanks,
Elden
xl/3300
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the main spar.
They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler that spans
the joint.
Thanks
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Is this the splice you are talking about? Found it on ch601.org
>
> http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm
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| Subject: | Re: ground school |
Hi Eldon,
I agree with you that there have been lots of changes, but it is
still the same air out there.
I found the Airman's Information Manual to be very helpful. You can
get the whole thing online for free from the FAA web site along with
many other very useful documents for builders and pilots of all
types. There is also an FAA Safety web site that can be very helpful
and will also tell you about safety meetings in your area if you give
them your email address.
If you read up on the new names for the same old airspace and get a
Flight Review with an instructor that should get you well along the
way to being up to date. All that remains after that is to polish up
your personal pilot skills to an adequate level.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
(Mostly inactive pilot for the last 15 or 20 years)
At 12:07 PM 11/25/2007, you wrote:
>As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many
>years. But LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity
>to change that. I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the
>aircraft itself, but it is obvious that the larger picture has
>changed almost beyond recognition, what with radios, controlled
>airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "ground school."
>
>I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found
>to be the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming
>current again.
>
>Thanks,
>Elden
>xl/3300
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| Subject: | Re: ground school |
I recently completed my pilot training. The single best thing I used was
Rod Machado's Private Pilot Handbook. The content was (IMHO) outstanding.
But the most important thing was the presentation. Machado's writing and
illustrations are easy (and fun) to read and very easy to understand.
One of my instructors required the Jeppesen Private Pilot Manual. I bought
it, but found it harder to read. I'd be happy to give you a good price on a
(very slightly) used copy. I'd never give away my Machado Handbook,
however. If I need to refresh on something, that's where I go.
Good luck, and welcome back to flying.
Terry
At 12:07 PM 11/25/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But
>LSA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that.
>I do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but
>it is obvious that the larger picture has changed almost beyond
>recognition, what with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in
>brief, the stuff of "ground school."
>
>I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be
>the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again.
>
>Thanks,
>Elden
>xl/3300
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
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Elden,
Welcome back to flying. I'm glad that the Sport Pilot Rating is bringing p
eople like you back to the skies.
I'm a relational person. For me, flying is about the people and relationsh
ips that flying can build. I know your question was about materials, but f
or me it is rarely about the books or DVDs. My suggestion is to find a fli
ght instructor who is also a good teacher. He/she will be instrumental in
pointing you to the right things and keeping you motivated. For me that pe
rson is Damien DelGaizo, President of Andover Flight Academy in Andover, NJ
. I completed a tail wheel check-out with him and did some bush flying. G
reat stuff to build confidence. You can find him at bushflying.com, if you
are near New Jersey.
Now to answer your question: AOPA's Air Saftey Foundation has some great se
minars that are free and come close to my area several times a year. They a
lso have several videos online. http://www.aopa.org/asf/seminars/index.cfmP
hil Maxson
601XL/Corvair
Northwest New Jersey
-List: ground schoolTo: zenith-list@matronics.com
As with at least some of you, I have not flown for a good many years. But L
SA now offers an unexpected and very welcome opportunity to change that. I
do not expect difficulty with the piloting of the aircraft itself, but it i
s obvious that the larger picture has changed almost beyond recognition, wh
at with radios, controlled airspace, towers, etc.; in brief, the stuff of "
ground school."
I would be very interested in what those of you out there have found to be
the most helpful materials--written, dvd's, etc.--in becoming current again
.
Thanks,
Elden
xl/3300
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
I checked with ZAC and there is no required splice for the spar cap angles
on the main spar.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair
Getting close to finishing my wings
On Nov 25, 2007 2:02 PM, ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>
> Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the
> main spar. They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler
> that spans the joint.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Ron Lendon wrote:
> > Is this the splice you are talking about? Found it on ch601.org
> >
> > http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm
>
>
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> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
Hey Andy,
I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is no doubler
like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year or so ago by
David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint was not in line
with other joints (like the termination of the spar cap doublers) you should be
fine. I'm sure a quick email to Mark Townsend or David (or Zenith for that matter)
could be more definitive. I just wanted to let you know what I remember
because I hadn't seen any replies to your question.
The only reason I remember this is because I pulled my hair out for two days
bending that long angle only to hear two days later that it could be done in two
pieces. Wish I'd have thought to ask THAT question.
Good luck.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc |
What prop is it? Who made it?
What does "Pegastol" mean?
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
Andy,
I had access to an 8 ft. break so spliced the spar caps 8 & 4ft. on top and 6 &
6 ft.for the bottom. I made two 8" splices out of .035 and secured them on the
bottom side of the angles with 2 small flush solid rivets, spaced to miss the
A5's when I drilled and riveted the skins into the caps. Make sure to drive
the Solid rivets through the spar web and caps to respect all edge distances.
Terry Turnquist
Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com> wrote: Hey Andy,
I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is no doubler
like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year or so ago by
David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint was not in line
with other joints (like the termination of the spar cap doublers) you should be
fine. I'm sure a quick email to Mark Townsend or David (or Zenith for that matter)
could be more definitive. I just wanted to let you know what I remember
because I hadn't seen any replies to your question.
The only reason I remember this is because I pulled my hair out for two days
bending that long angle only to hear two days later that it could be done in two
pieces. Wish I'd have thought to ask THAT question.
Good luck.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc |
Variable Slat wing see link below
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
Approved by Chris Heintz
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 OTIS
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Debo Cox
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl
Hey Andy,
I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is
no doubler like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year
or so ago by David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint
was not in line with other joints (like the termination of the spar cap
doublers) you should be fine. I'm sure a quick email to Mark Townsend or
David (or Zenith for that matter) could be more definitive. I just
wanted to let you know what I remember because I hadn't seen any replies
to your question.
The only reason I remember this is because I pulled my hair out for two
days bending that long angle only to hear two days later that it could
be done in two pieces. Wish I'd have thought to ask THAT question.
Good luck.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
I have also posted the spar cap splice on HYPERLINK
"http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org in the builders resources.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 Otis
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Debo Cox
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl
Hey Andy,
I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is
no doubler like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year
or so ago by David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint
was not in line with other joints (like the termination of the spar cap
doublers) you should be fine. I'm sure a quick email to Mark Townsend or
David (or Zenith for that matter) could be more definitive. I just
wanted to let you know what I remember because I hadn't seen any replies
to your question.
The only reason I remember this is because I pulled my hair out for two
days bending that long angle only to hear two days later that it could
be done in two pieces. Wish I'd have thought to ask THAT question.
Good luck.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re:ground school |
The good news is that you have to pass a BFR before you get back in the
saddle. It requires an hour of ground instruction. The instructor will be big on
airspace these days because its renamed with letters. Weather terms are changed
too. TFR's are big since 9/11. More good news: There are a lot of books and
DVD's out there now. Check Sporties Pilot Shop for a start. A current AIM/FAR is
the bare minimum. Aerodynamics, piloting skills and judgment remain the same.
Good luck.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl |
Funny, I just talked to I believe it was Sebastian and he was like "uh, I'd imagine
a doubler with 5 or 6 rivets either side would be a good idea."
So what's the final word on this before I go pulling out the doubler I have in
there and making it longer. Looking at the FAA Advisory Circular under Repairs
(seeing as how the butt joint is essentially the same as a crack, for .032 you'd
need a 1.5 times the thickness doubler with 5 rivets either side. Good guess
on whoever at Zenith gave me the thumbs up. Still, I'd like to know if they
do or don't require it in this approved design change.
[quote="lwinger"]I checked with ZAC and there is no required splice for the spar
cap angles on the main spar.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL/Corvair
Getting close to finishing my wings
On Nov 25, 2007 2:02 PM, ashontz wrote:
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> Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the main
spar. They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler that spans
the joint.
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> CH601XL - Corvair
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Fuel tank sealing |
I think I'm going to use Pro-Seal or whatever it is Dave Clay recommended to seal
up my tanks, which means I'm riveting them.
Anyway, I made my tanks per the Zenith plans and now that I have it partially assembled
I'm looking at that huge gap at the full length seam side where the skin
joins itself. That reverse bend makes for one big unnecessary gap (see picture).
Has anyone else made the tanks per the plans, gotten that, to be expected
gap, and had luck with the sealer taking care of that gap?
Check Dave Clays tanks daves601xl.com, much better design than Zenith's. Nice continuous
edge around the rounded edge of the tank rather than squared off edges
as well as the splice style attachment of skin to itself on the top rear of
the tank. Nice design. Had I known for a fact that I'd be going with the Pro-Seal
I'd have used his design from the word go.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc |
Thanks for the kind words guys. I had hoped to be able to report more at this time
but I have not been able to get another flight in yet. The weather just is
not cooperating. I was very, very tempted to day but it I there was a 15 knot
cross wind with gusts to 25. Not a good idea for a second flight.
I wont be able to get back to flying until Friday (weather permitting).
Ill try to answer your questions as best as I can for now and will get proper answers
as soon as I can.
The most significant Raven engine mods are to the intake and exhaust manifolds.
The oil pan is also changed to a saddle bag design so the engine can be flipped
to run on its side.
So far I like the Suzi engine. Stay tuned for updates.
I too am interested in the stol and cruise specs. One requirement I had when I
started this project was to get a 100 mph cruise speed. That is the main reason
I went to the Pegastol wing over the standard 701 wing. But it remains an untested
theory with the Suzi engine.
I must confess that I was a bit overwhelmed on the first flight so I did not get
a chance to monitor all the instruments the way they should have been. I am
using a Stratomaster Ultra frpo my instrumentation. It records flight time and
top speed. It tells me I reached 87 mph indicated. I know the engine was running
somewhere in the 4k (4000 to 4999) range but that is all I am sure. And I
still need to calibrate the asi too. Next flight. I am hopeful since the prop
pitch is certainly was not optimized for cruise.
I mounted the hub brush holder on the end of a threaded rod that ran back to a
bracket that supported the prop shaft. Jam nuts at both ends. I will get a picture.
I really like your cowling, Rick and the cooling pod.
I am using an Ivoprop in-flight adjustable, light. http://www.ivoprop.com/. The engine was smooth with no prop. It was smooth with the Ivo prop. I was happy and relieved.
Pegastol comes from combining the flying horse Pegasus and Stol. The company was
Dedalius (French version of Dedalus) Aviation From Sherbrooke, Quebec. I guess
they were big on Greek mythology.
-- ray
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Ray St-Laurent
701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
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