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0. 12:33 AM - Wow! A Ton of Comments! (Matt Dralle)
1. 02:44 AM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Bob Unternaehrer)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: CH701 Strut Covers (j. davis)
4. 07:22 AM - 801 strut covers (Tracy)
5. 08:10 AM - Roll Over protection II (Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
6. 11:24 AM - Rotax FWF (Allan Barton)
7. 11:36 AM - Re: Wow! A Ton of Comments! (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
8. 11:42 AM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 01:58 PM - Re: Rotax FWF (Dan)
10. 03:18 PM - Re: flap and aileron hinges (Maarten Versteeg)
11. 03:44 PM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system ()
12. 03:47 PM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Paul Mulwitz)
13. 04:02 PM - Re: flap and aileron hinges (Bryan Martin)
14. 04:30 PM - Re: flap and aileron hinges (ashontz)
15. 05:03 PM - Drill Press (Art Olechowski)
16. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: flap and aileron hinges (Bryan Martin)
17. 05:49 PM - Re: Drill Press (burbby)
18. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: flap and aileron hinges (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
19. 06:02 PM - Re: Drill Press (Carlos Sa)
20. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: flap and aileron hinges (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
21. 07:15 PM - Re: Drill Press (Ron Lendon)
22. 07:42 PM - Online Clothing store (ZodieRocket)
23. 09:53 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 43 Msgs - 11/27/07 (tjlhl)
24. 11:12 PM - 601XL stabilizer ribs (Jugle)
25. 11:16 PM - Re: Drill Press (Jugle)
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| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
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| Subject: | Re: Filling mc-5A brake system |
That is exactly how you do it Dred. Just take a piece of hose and attach it
to the hand pump and open the bleeder on the bottom then put the other end on
the hose on it and have someone watch inside the plane until fluid comes out
the top vent that's it.
In a message dated 11/27/2007 10:33:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dredmoody@cox.net writes:
I haven't done it but I've seen it suggested to use a new pump type oilcan
with a short piece of tubing to pump the brake fluid up from the bottom bleed
port.
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: Filling mc-5A brake system |
Could everybody take a look at what their "word wrap" settings are
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system
Take a look at page 10 (the last page) of this document. It is for the
601XL but the principle is the same. This shows a hand oil pump being
used to fill from the bottom but I have seen a squeeze bottle (like a
ketchup bottle in a diner) used too:
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-gear.pdf -- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Strut Covers |
John Marzulli wrote:
> How did you determine the proper angle of incidence for the strut fairings?
>
> Thanks!
>
I just guessed. I don't think it is critical...
> On Nov 27, 2007 3:04 PM, j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca
> <mailto:jd@lawsonimaging.ca>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:jd@lawsonimaging.ca>>
>
> arno7452@bellsouth.net <mailto:arno7452@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Need source for strut covers for 701.
> > Many thanks,
> > Ken Arnold
> > CH701 95% N701LK (Currently in the paint shop)
> >
> > do not archive
>
> Dead simple to fabricate. Just use roofing aluminum, form
> leading edge by aligning trailing edges and pressing down on
> leading edge (carefully, so as not to get too sharp a
> leading edge) with a 2x6. Drill through trailing edges for
> small soft rivets (a la flaperons). Fit onto struts with
> appropriate cut-out for jury struts), clamp, and squeeze rivets.
>
> Shoot poly-urethane foam into the ends to affix your
> fairings at appropriate 'angle-of-attack'. Affix 'No Push'
> decals near fuselage so that you passengers don't lean on
> the (hopefully). Done. total cost? $10? Enjoy your 5-8 mph
> cruise speed increase ;') See http://cleco.ca -> CH701 ->
> Spring2006 -> imgp2982.jpg.html (and other pics)
>
> --
> Regards, J.
>
> flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 400 hrs.
> building: Sonex #325 (F-CJNJ), Jabiru 3300/6, 98% completed
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> J. Davis, M.Sc. (computer science)
> *NIX consulting, SysAdmin
> email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca <http://lawsonimaging.ca>
> voice: 519.289.1527 http://www.cleco.ca
> c/o <http://www.cleco.cac/o> Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr.,
> Appin, ON
> N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740'
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
> harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> -Airplane The Movie
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Regards, J.
flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs.
building: Sonex #325 (F-CJNJ), Jabiru 3300/6, 98% completed
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*NIX consulting, SysAdmin
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c/o Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON
N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740'
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| Subject: | 801 strut covers |
the topic of strut covers has comeup and thought I would ad pics of 801 covers
with my own smaller design uper covers ,lot smaller than the ones Zenith has
on there demo
http://tbuttles.myphotoalbum.com/
http://tbuttles.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album02&id=11_14_07_015
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| Subject: | Roll Over protection II |
Hi All,
If anyone needs some pictures about my Zodiac canopy, visit the address
below.
I used gull-wings only in my Zodiac XL, in the others, I'm using the
traditional door, it's safer and easier to open and close.
If you want to see about this, visit these address.
http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/
http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo-workshop-brazil.html
http://www.airfox.com.br/br/
Roberto Brito.
Zodiac XL 601.
3300 Woodcomp Prop.
Enigma - Jab 3300
Plans...
Sounds like you want one of the airfox canopy installations from
Brazil???
The more I think about it the more I think that if I could find
someone good at
laying up fiberglass it might be a neat idea just to make a
aerodynamic top front
fuselage that would replace the canopy. It could have gull-wing
doors and
even some embedded rollover protection.
It's not like the designed canopy is structural. There is a 601
sportster pictured
at the zenith site that has nothing but a windscreen.
The fiberglass could even be made removable so you could have a
sportster.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148936#148936
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Hi
Does anyone know the link to the contents and cost of the Zenith FWF kit
for the Rotax 912S
I could not find it on the Zenith web site the only listing is in the
ordering and price section of the web site, I am looking for a detailed
list
or can some send me the list if they have one
Many thanks
Fly Safe
Allan
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
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| Subject: | Re: Filling mc-5A brake system |
Or, if you don't have any handy helper to watch the other end, but
you do have a PC with a little camera attached . . .
You can set up your PC to display the top of the master cylinder and
you can watch the screen while pumping the fluid into the wheel cylinder.
If you are like me, then you try to use the brakes and discover if
you properly sealed all the tubes and fittings or not . . . If you
develop a leak, it is easier to drain the whole brake line system and
refill from the bottom again than to try to bleed out the bubble formed.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 02:42 AM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
>That is exactly how you do it Dred. Just take a piece of hose and
>attach it to the hand pump and open the bleeder on the bottom then
>put the other end on the hose on it and have someone watch inside
>the plane until fluid comes out the top vent that's it.
>
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Allan Barton wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know the link to the contents and cost of the Zenith FWF
> kit for the Rotax 912S
> I could not find it on the Zenith web site the only listing is in the
> ordering and price section of the web site, I am looking for a
> detailed list
> or can some send me the list if they have one
> Many thanks
>
> Fly Safe
>
> Allan
> 601 XL
> *
>
> *
Allan: My firewall forward costs for the 701 were:
Firewall forward - $4,925
Rotax 912S w/gearbox slipper clutch - $14,325
As I understand it, the price for the engine is going up $1500 or has
already gone up.
The firewall forward package is complete. I did not have to buy
anything else to complete the installation.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
Hello Andy,
I ran into the same problem and went with the Al hinges
with steel pin. I decided to overlap the two sides of the
hinges and the steel pin so they all three end in different
locations. This ensures that the hinge is in line. I am
still working on the wing though, the flaps attached fine
with clecos but I don't have any further (flight)
experience yet.
Regards,
Maarten
601xl, plans building wings
> Time: 09:13:05 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: flap and aileron hinges
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> The plans call for a 7' hinge for the flap. Aircraft spruce only carries them
up
> to 6' long. Are you guys just butting a one foot length up to a 6 foot length?
>
> Also, should I get the stainless hinge AND stainless pin, or just the aluminum
> hinge and order a seperate stainless pin?
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Filling mc-5A brake system |
I bought a large syringe, like for basting. It took two full syringes to fill each
system. That's why the bleeders point down instead of up, like on an automotive
brake caliper. On my Cessna I removed the vent from the master cylinder
to add fluid, but I don't know if this can be done with the Matcos.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc
All,
Whilst standing in my shop this weekend marvelling at my newly installed
brake system, I slowly realized I have no idea how to add fluid to the
thing.
My 801 kit came with Matco MC-5A internal reservoir masters. There are only
two ports, one where the brake line attaches, a second that looks like an
air vent on top. It doesn't appear to be easily removed. I checked the Matco
web site, no help. They've got a mechanical installation drawing, and make
some comments about what kind of fluid to use, but no manual for the -5 or
any other internal reservoir system. Nothing on the Zenith pages either.
If the top port is really an air vent, I could pump fluid in backwards from
the bottom of the calipers. If this is really how it's done, what to use for
a pump? Suggestions welcome.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. |
Hi Steve,
I have a fairly recent standard XL kit. I installed the senders on
the tank tops. This seemed the easiest way to prevent most leaking
(at least if the tank is not overfilled) and I just didn't worry
about repairing a failed sender. In truth, my flying always
considered fuel gauges as nice ornaments, while fuel management was
done with timing and planning. Also my preflight inspection always
includes a visual inspection of fuel levels in the tanks. That means
if the sender fails to properly indicate the correct level that is
not much of a problem, but if it leaks all your fuel then it can be a
huge problem.
The senders I installed came in the kit and fit neatly under the
skin. I understand there are different ones that have a ground stud
that interferes with the skin that need to be shortened.
One note for all those folks who are considering welding their own
aluminium tanks, I would suggest starting your TIG welding projects
with something easier to accomplish. Welding thin aluminum qualifies
as the most difficult kind of welding there is and requires a great
deal of skill and experience.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 04:40 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote:
>Speaking of fuel senders in your tanks,,,,
>I m about to cut into my 601 XL tanks to install the sending units.
>My plans show the hole in the end of the tank and my CD shows the
>hole on the top just in front of the spar.
>What did you guys do ??
>Seems like on top would be best and not leak....
>If its installed on the inboard end as per plans, can the unit be
>removed thru the access hole if needed ?
>
>SW
>
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
You could order the 7' hinge from Zenith.
>
> Time: 09:13:05 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: flap and aileron hinges
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
> The plans call for a 7' hinge for the flap. Aircraft spruce only
> carries them up
> to 6' long. Are you guys just butting a one foot length up to a 6
> foot length?
> Also, should I get the stainless hinge AND stainless pin, or just
> the aluminum
> hinge and order a seperate stainless pin?
> Thanks
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
Thanks, didn't know they carried it. I assumed they were getting their hinges from
Aircraft Spruce too or whoever their supplier is.
Fittings? Fingerscreen, Zenith only too? Or is there another source for that stuff
too. I'm thinking maybe a heating supply house. Home Depot doesn't carry anything
like that.
do not archive
[quote="bryanmmartin"]You could order the 7' hinge from Zenith.
>
> Time: 09:13:05 AM PST US
> Subject: flap and aileron hinges
> From: "ashontz"
> The plans call for a 7' hinge for the flap. Aircraft spruce only carries them
up
> to 6' long. Are you guys just butting a one foot length up to a 6 foot length?
> Also, should I get the stainless hinge AND stainless pin, or just the aluminum
> hinge and order a seperate stainless pin?
> Thanks
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
--?
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM?Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
> [b]
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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All,
Any purpose in buying a floor standing drill press over a bench top when scratchbuilding?
do not archive
Art
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
All of the hinges on my plane are in one piece. They came that way
with the kit. I'm sure Zenith will sell a plans builder the same
parts if they can't find it anywhere else. Zenith probably gets their
parts from some of the same suppliers as Aircraft Spruce gets theirs.
My experience has been that Zenith will sell you any part of the
plane that you either can't find or would rather not build yourself.
They will sell you just the plans or the full kit or anything in
between.
On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:29 PM, ashontz wrote:
>
> Thanks, didn't know they carried it. I assumed they were getting
> their hinges from Aircraft Spruce too or whoever their supplier is.
>
> Fittings? Fingerscreen, Zenith only too? Or is there another source
> for that stuff too. I'm thinking maybe a heating supply house. Home
> Depot doesn't carry anything like that.
>
> do not archive
>
> [quote="bryanmmartin"]You could order the 7' hinge from Zenith.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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Im not scratchbuilding but i wished i had a floor drill press instead of a table
top press.
To me the floor model would be easier to work with.
Just my 2 cents.
Gary Bassham
601XL
Millsap, Tx
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
Are you putting in the rubber hoses? or are you using aluminum?
In a message dated 11/28/2007 7:32:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ashontz@nbme.org writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
Thanks, didn't know they carried it. I assumed they were getting their
hinges from Aircraft Spruce too or whoever their supplier is.
Fittings? Fingerscreen, Zenith only too? Or is there another source for that
stuff too. I'm thinking maybe a heating supply house. Home Depot doesn't
carry anything like that.
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[quote="bryanmmartin"]You could order the 7' hinge from Zenith.
>
> Time: 09:13:05 AM PST US
> Subject: flap and aileron hinges
> From: "ashontz"
> The plans call for a 7' hinge for the flap. Aircraft spruce only carries
them up
> to 6' long. Are you guys just butting a one foot length up to a 6 foot
length?
> Also, should I get the stainless hinge AND stainless pin, or just the
aluminum
> hinge and order a seperate stainless pin?
> Thanks
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
--?
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM?Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
> [b]
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Art, I have been using a bench drill press for years, never felt the need
for a standing one. It's true that I never used a standing one...
One thing to keep in mind when shopping for a drill press, standing or
bench: try to get one that will have enough reach (distance between the
drill bit and the column).
I couldn't use mine to cut some of the ribs lightening holes - I did it by
hand, no big deal, but if you have the option...
Good luck
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 28/11/2007, Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> All,
> Any purpose in buying a floor standing drill press over a bench top when
> scratchbuilding?
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| Subject: | Re: flap and aileron hinges |
If you buy 2 6 foot ones the splice wouldn't hurt anything but then the rod
wouldn't be long enough so you would be better off buying them from zenith.
Look on their online parts store for the part and price.
_http://www.zenithair.com/kit/_ (http://www.zenithair.com/kit/)
In a message dated 11/28/2007 8:30:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bryanmmartin@comcast.net writes:
All of the hinges on my plane are in one piece. They came that way with the
kit. I'm sure Zenith will sell a plans builder the same parts if they can't
find it anywhere else. Zenith probably gets their parts from some of the same
suppliers as Aircraft Spruce gets theirs. My experience has been that Zenith
will sell you any part of the plane that you either can't find or would
rather not build yourself. They will sell you just the plans or the full kit or
anything in between.
On Nov 28, 2007, at 7:29 PM, ashontz wrote:
(mailto:ashontz@nbme.org) >
Thanks, didn't know they carried it. I assumed they were getting their
hinges from Aircraft Spruce too or whoever their supplier is.
Fittings? Fingerscreen, Zenith only too? Or is there another source for that
stuff too. I'm thinking maybe a heating supply house. Home Depot doesn't
carry anything like that.
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[quote="bryanmmartin"]You could order the 7' hinge from Zenith.
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I have a bench top model, and several other tools mounted to a rolling table.
I is easy to move and store away when not needed. A floor model drill press pretty
much stays put.
Here is a link, I can take more pictures if you like.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=35389&row=83
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| Subject: | Online Clothing store |
Hi Guys, well it has been a week of learning with the online clothing
store at HYPERLINK
"http://can-zacaviation.promoshop.com/"http://can-zacaviation.promoshop.
com we have now switched all deliveries to Postal system over courier.
This drastically reduces the cost of delivery to you folks. However, it
does increase the delivery time a bit. Plus with Christmas rush coming
we are getting close to the cut off for making sure that you have your
order of Zenith and Can-Zac Aviation wear under your tree. We still have
the courier option available if need be. Also remember you can
personalize your jackets with your planes registration numbers or your
name.
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
Speaking of fuel senders in your tanks,,,,
I m about to cut into my 601 XL tanks to install the sending units.
My plans show the hole in the end of the tank and my CD shows the hole
on the top just in front of the spar.
What did you guys do ??
Seems like on top would be best and not leak....
If its installed on the inboard end as per plans, can the unit be
removed thru the access hole if needed ?
SW
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 43 Msgs - 11/27/07 |
Re: 601XL Right 12 gal. Fuel Tank For Sale.
I HAVE A RIGHT SIDE 12 GAL GAS TANK WITH THE SENDER FOR SALE. I WOULD TAKE
$175.00.. Please advuse any questions.
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> 0. 12:13 AM - [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt
> Dralle? (Matt Dralle)
> 1. 03:17 AM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc
> (kmccune)
> 2. 03:34 AM - Re: New "Tachometer" (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 3. 04:19 AM - Re: Fuel tank sealing (ashontz)
> 4. 04:28 AM - Re: 701 backup electric pump (Geoff Heap)
> 5. 04:59 AM - Re: Another Chat Room (Rob St Denis)
> 6. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank sealing (Trainnut01@aol.com)
> 7. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Fuel sender gasket (Carl)
> 8. 06:27 AM - Re: Fuel tank sealing (ashontz)
> 9. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank sealing (Jaybannist@cs.com)
> 10. 07:37 AM - Re: Header Tank Wanted (Doug Eatman)
> 11. 07:59 AM - Re: Fuel tank sealing (ashontz)
> 12. 09:07 AM - Re: Header Tank Wanted (Gig Giacona)
> 13. 09:13 AM - flap and aileron hinges (ashontz)
> 14. 09:31 AM - Galvanic chart (ashontz)
> 15. 12:46 PM - Re: Proseal fuel tanks (ashontz)
> 16. 12:58 PM - Re: Proseal fuel tanks (ashontz)
> 17. 01:05 PM - Re: Roll over protection (ashontz)
> 18. 01:20 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (ashontz)
> 19. 01:25 PM - 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups (Dave Nixon)
> 20. 01:44 PM - Re: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups (John Davis)
> 21. 02:04 PM - Re: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups (george may)
> 22. 02:09 PM - Re: Galvanic chart (Gordon)
> 23. 02:24 PM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc
> (RayStL)
> 24. 02:38 PM - Re: Roll over protection (Gig Giacona)
> 25. 03:07 PM - Re: CH701 Strut Covers (j. davis)
> 26. 03:13 PM - plans fo CH701 amphib floats (Tom Flanagan)
> 27. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: of wrath and rants... (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 28. 03:43 PM - Re: of wrath and rants... (ashontz)
> 29. 04:42 PM - 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (steve)
> 30. 05:24 PM - Re: CH701 Strut Covers (John Marzulli)
> 31. 05:25 PM - Re: ground school (Tim Juhl)
> 32. 05:30 PM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Tim Juhl)
> 33. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 34. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: of wrath and rants... (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 35. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (steve)
> 36. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: of wrath and rants... (steve)
> 37. 06:39 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 38. 07:02 PM - Re: Re: Roll over protection (David Downey)
> 39. 07:08 PM - Filling mc-5A brake system (Kenny Aron)
> 40. 07:27 PM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Craig Payne)
> 41. 07:32 PM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Edward Moody II)
> 42. 08:11 PM - Elevator trailing edge straightening (RayStL)
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> Subject: Zenith-List: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This
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> Time: 03:17:22 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki
> 1300 cc
> From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
>
>
> I believe that the Vne is primarily a function of the wing attachment
> points. And
> that due to the higher drag of the stock wing the 701 has a Vne of 110. If
> you put a lower drag wing on the Vne would defiantly increase. But the
> whole 15mph
> to 125. I'd doubt it, as other things on the airframe may have a Vne of
> 115,
> like the horizontal or vertical controls( just a for instance)? These also
> are important to a safe flight.
>
> I could be all wet but I did ask this question of higher Vne to the soon
> to be
> new MFG of the wing. He pretty much laughed at my question and politely
> side
> stepped it after saying that he had never heard of a higher Vne for the
> 701 with
> this wing attached
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin
>
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> Time: 03:34:14 AM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New "Tachometer"
>
> Yes that is what I meant but after 12 hours of building sometimes the
> brain
> and hands do some strange things....... Please forgive me. I just received
> the
>
> first one yesterday and got excited because it looked sooo good in the
> airplane. It is one nice "Tachometer"!
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2007 11:14:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> VideoFlyer@aol.com writes:
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> Do you mean "Tach"....?
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> Time: 04:19:32 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank sealing
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> I'm working with older plans I guess. Any problem with using the seem
> where I have
> it. Is it acceptable even if I use Pro-Seal or the Flame Master stuff the
> RV guys use to seal the tanks. I have plenty of material to make another
> couple
> of tanks, I'd just rather keep moving forward. Also, my welding skills
> aren't
> that great nor do I have access to a TIG welder for aluminum, I'd have to
> pay
> someone. What do you guys recommend? At the moment, I'm leaning towards
> rivets
> and sealing compound but I can easily switch direction on that if
> pursueded.
>
> Currently I'm in "stop and think about it" mode on this one and am open to
> ideas
> to making this tank accessible in the future. I'm going with the 12 gallon
> tanks.
> If I need to get to this tank in the wing I'd like it to be as easy as
> possible.
> What's the current thinking on two shorter leading edge skins? Is there
> any good way to make the tank skin accessible with screws rather than
> rivets?
> Drilling rivets out isn't great, but even more of a problem is the rivets
> through
> the spar cap angle. You drill them out and then you potentially have the
> back end of the rivet falling into the center section which you really
> can't
> get to.
>
>
> Ron Lendon wrote:
>> Andy,
>>
>> My tanks are welded and the long seam is at the other end from where your
>> seam
> is. Looking at 6-K-1, dated 08/05, the long seam is up along the top on
> the
> surface where the filler neck goes and it rests on cork against the wing
> spar.
> It looks like you made the long seam along the upper leading edge of the
> wing.
>>
>> The welding was tricky but once I got the 3.5 lenses it got much easier.
>> The
> arc is so small (27 amps) I needed to magnify it to be able to see what
> was going
> on.
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
> Time: 04:28:38 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 backup electric pump
> From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
>
>
> Joe. the rotax manual gives max allowable pressure. From memory I think 5
> psi is
> around the top end. Someone else will know it. Based on info I got from
> this
> list when I was at this point, I have a Facet PP. from ASSCO. The engine
> driven
> PP will pass fuel through if failed. Also, the PP can be inserted in
> line........Geoff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:59:59 AM PST US
> From: "Rob St Denis" <rob@iahu.ca>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Another Chat Room
>
> ya my server was on life support last night ... finally died this morn so
> if
> ya dont mind i pointed http://chat.iahu.ca/ at your site temporarily
> (beats
> having to change links)
>
> On 11/26/07, George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cant seem to get into the chat room so far this evening.
>>
>> I will be lurking around this chat room:
>> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
>>
>> George
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
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>
> Time: 05:11:50 AM PST US
> From: Trainnut01@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank sealing
>
> Andy
> I'm not really recommending this to anyone because my 601 is not flying
> yet
> and won't be for some time. I built my tanks with carbon fiber. I
> researched
> the comparability issues as best I could because I was very concerned
> about
> the resins dissolving after exposure to mogas, especially mogas
> containing
> ethanol. Constructing the tanks was really easy. Initial testing was
> good, but
> I
> don't think I saved any money or any weight. At the same time I was
> building
> the tanks for my 601 I built a smaller tank for my son's Weedhopper. That
> tank has had fuel in it for over a year now and has accumulated 47 hours
> with
> no
> problems at all.
> Previously I built an RV with a leaky tank. Repairing it was a bitch, and
> the subsequent owner has had the problem again since. I really didn't want
> a
> leak in the 601 tanks because they are harder to get to than the RV
> tanks.
> Again, I'm not recommending this but it is an option.
> Carroll
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> Time: 06:12:28 AM PST US
> From: "Carl" <cgbrt@mondenet.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel sender gasket
>
>
> You need to seal the screws but be careful. Too much on the treads and
> the
> screws will form little balls of sealant on the end when you drive them
> and
> those little critters end up in your tank. The only thing that saved me
> from
> embarrassment was the fingerscreens.
> Carl
> 701/912/amphibs/480hrs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" <dgardea@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:39 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel sender gasket
>
>
>> <dgardea@gmail.com>
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> Upon reading some advice posted by others on the list, I used only one of
>> the rubber gaskets on the external surface of the fuel tank. When
>> mounting
>> the sender to the tank, I liberally applied fuel lube to the outside of
>> the perimeter of the hole, to the both sides of the rubber gasket, and to
>> each of the screws. The excess is mostly easy to wipe off after you
>> compress the gasket with the screws (don't overtighten) but you may want
>> to wear some latex gloves when applying the fuel lube. The fuel lube is
>> available from Aircraft Spruce under the name EZ Turn, but a search there
>> for fuel lube works.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Gardea
>> 601XL - finishing wings
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Gardea
>> 601XL - Corvair
>> working on wings
>> http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148130#148130
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>
> Time: 06:27:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank sealing
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> Thanks for the info. I may just get someone to weld the tanks. That being
> the case
> is the old design with the flange at the front OK or should I redo it
> before
> I get too far?
>
> Also, any ideas on a better design for getting at the tanks would be
> appreciated.
> I think an official redesign of access to the tanks would be something
> that
> Mark Townsend might be interested in. This list has a lot of good ideas,
> Zenith
> can't think of everything and feedback is important to make the plane as
> user
> friendly and popular as possible. Be interesting to see how it's done on
> say
> a Piper Cherokee. Seems like I've seen screws on the leading edges on some
> GA
> planes in that area of the wing and would have to assume they're for
> easier
> access to the tanks.
>
> The most likely scenario is not 20 years later, "Ugh, I gotta get to the
> tank.".
> More likely a leak would show up after 4 initial flights if a leak is
> going
> to develop. I'd rather have a way to get to the whole tank in 10 minutes
> rather
> than an entire weekend's worth of work at best only to put it back
> together
> and find another problem.
>
> [quote="Trainnut01(at)aol.com"]Andy
> I'm not really recommending this to anyone because my 601 is not flying
> yet and
> won't be for some time. I built my tanks with carbon fiber. I researched
> the
> comparability issues as best I could because I was very concerned about
> the
> resins dissolving after exposure to mogas, especially mogas containing
> ethanol.
> Constructing the tanks was really easy. Initial testing was good, but I
> don't think I saved any money or any weight. At the same time I was
> building the
> tanks for my 601 I built a smaller tank for my son's Weedhopper. That tank
> has had fuel in it for over a year now and has accumulated 47 hours with
> no
> problems at all.
> Previously I built an RV with a leaky tank. Repairing it was a bitch, and
> the
> subsequent owner has had the problem again since. I really didn't want a
> leak
> in the 601 tanks because they are harder to get to than the RV tanks.
> Again, I'm not recommending this but it is an option.
> Carroll
>
>
> Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products
> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
> and top money wasters
> (http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002)
> of 2007.
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148849#148849
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:36:25 AM PST US
> From: Jaybannist@cs.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank sealing
>
>
> Andy, What you are seeing on the wing of a Cherokee IS the fuel tank.
> How's that
> for access?
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>
>
> "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>Thanks for the info. I may just get someone to weld the tanks. That being
>>the
> case is the old design with the flange at the front OK or should I redo it
> before
> I get too far?
>>
>>Also, any ideas on a better design for getting at the tanks would be
>>appreciated.
> I think an official redesign of access to the tanks would be something
> that
> Mark Townsend might be interested in. This list has a lot of good ideas,
> Zenith
> can't think of everything and feedback is important to make the plane as
> user
> friendly and popular as possible. Be interesting to see how it's done on
> say
> a Piper Cherokee. Seems like I've seen screws on the leading edges on some
> GA planes in that area of the wing and would have to assume they're for
> easier
> access to the tanks.
>>
>>The most likely scenario is not 20 years later, "Ugh, I gotta get to the
>>tank.".
> More likely a leak would show up after 4 initial flights if a leak is
> going
> to develop. I'd rather have a way to get to the whole tank in 10 minutes
> rather
> than an entire weekend's worth of work at best only to put it back
> together
> and find another problem.
>>
>>[quote="Trainnut01(at)aol.com"]Andy
>> I'm not really recommending this to anyone because my 601 is not flying
>> yet
> and won't be for some time. I built my tanks with carbon fiber. I
> researched the
> comparability issues as best I could because I was very concerned about
> the
> resins dissolving after exposure to mogas, especially mogas containing
> ethanol.
> Constructing the tanks was really easy. Initial testing was good, but I
> don't think I saved any money or any weight. At the same time I was
> building
> the tanks for my 601 I built a smaller tank for my son's Weedhopper. That
> tank
> has had fuel in it for over a year now and has accumulated 47 hours with
> no
> problems at all.
>> Previously I built an RV with a leaky tank. Repairing it was a bitch, and
>> the
> subsequent owner has had the problem again since. I really didn't want a
> leak
> in the 601 tanks because they are harder to get to than the RV tanks.
>> Again, I'm not recommending this but it is an option.
>> Carroll
>>
>>
>>Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products
>>(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
>>and top money wasters
>>(http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002)
>>of 2007.
>>
>>> [b]
>>
>>
>>--------
>>Andy Shontz
>>CH601XL - Corvair
>>www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148849#148849
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:37:22 AM PST US
> From: Doug Eatman <pilotdna@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Header Tank Wanted
>
>
> John,
>
> Here's a summary of the input of several builders.
>
> Advantages of big header tank: simpler, lighter, cheaper
>
> Disadvantages of big header tank:
> The welded tanks are prone to pinhole leaks (two builders offered me their
> new
> tanks that had leaks), which would end up directly in the cabin.
> Spills during fueling seep in and make the cabin smell of fuel.
> Cable routing through the firewall becomes trickier.
> You could not mount the Corvair ignition components on the inside of the
> firewall.
> The tank mounting shown in the HD/HDS is not very applicable to the XL due
> to different
> panel geometry.
> Several panels of the factory header are only 0.025, which is of
> questionable crashworthiness.
> Depth behind the panel is greatly reduced, a standard Icom A200 will no
> longer
> fit.
> I observed the 16 gal header to also be much deeper than expected, right
> down to
> the rudder pedals, so if gravity flow at high alpha turned out to be
> marginal
> in ground tests you'd be right back to the $1000 MA3 or Ellison carb and
> fuel
> pumps (which work very well, but were the costs I was trying to avoid in
> the
> first place).
>
>
> None of the disadvantages are total show stoppers, it could work very
> well. If
> there were a tough racecar style plastic fuel cell on the market that
> mounted
> shallower (like in the Sonex) I'd go with the header, but mostly the
> leak/crack
> potential of the Zenith 16 gal tank scares me. I hope this comparison was
> helpful for your decision.
>
> -Doug E
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:59:36 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel tank sealing
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> Yeah, I was just looking online at someone's project site about how they
> spent
> their summer vacation resealing a wet-wing tank on a Grumman.
>
> I guess the best deal is, make a seperate tank, install it, make the
> leading edge
> skins in sections (maybe two sections) and add another access panel under
> behind
> the main spar so that if the leading edge skin covering the tank has to
> come off at least I can vacuum the chips and drilled out pop rivet backs
> out from
> behind the main spar.
>
> [quote="Jaybannist(at)cs.com"]Andy, What you are seeing on the wing of a
> Cherokee
> IS the fuel tank. How's that for access?
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>
>
> "ashontz" wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I may just get someone to weld the tanks. That being
>> the
> case is the old design with the flange at the front OK or should I redo it
> before
> I get too far?
>>
>> Also, any ideas on a better design for getting at the tanks would be
>> appreciated.
> I think an official redesign of access to the tanks would be something
> that
> Mark Townsend might be interested in. This list has a lot of good ideas,
> Zenith
> can't think of everything and feedback is important to make the plane as
> user friendly and popular as possible. Be interesting to see how it's done
> on
> say a Piper Cherokee. Seems like I've seen screws on the leading edges on
> some
> GA planes in that area of the wing and would have to assume they're for
> easier
> access to the tanks.
>>
>> The most likely scenario is not 20 years later, "Ugh, I gotta get to the
>> tank.".
> More likely a leak would show up after 4 initial flights if a leak is
> going
> to develop. I'd rather have a way to get to the whole tank in 10 minutes
> rather
> than an entire weekend's worth of work at best only to put it back
> together
> and find another problem.
>>
>>
>> Trainnut01(at)aol.com wrote:
>> > Andy
>> > I'm not really recommending this to anyone because my 601 is not
>> > flying yet
> and won't be for some time. I built my tanks with carbon fiber. I
> researched
> the comparability issues as best I could because I was very concerned
> about
> the resins dissolving after exposure to mogas, especially mogas
> containing ethanol.
> Constructing the tanks was really easy. Initial testing was good, but
> I don't think I saved any money or any weight. At the same time I was
> building
> the tanks for my 601 I built a smaller tank for my son's Weedhopper. That
> tank has had fuel in it for over a year now and has accumulated 47 hours
> with
> no problems at all.
>> > Previously I built an RV with a leaky tank. Repairing it was a bitch,
>> > and
> the subsequent owner has had the problem again since. I really didn't want
> a
> leak in the 601 tanks because they are harder to get to than the RV
> tanks.
>> > Again, I'm not recommending this but it is an option.
>> > Carroll
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products
>> > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
>> > and top money wasters
>> > (http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002)
>> > of 2007.
>> >
>> > > [b]
>> >
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Andy Shontz
>> > CH601XL - Corvair
>> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148849#148849
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148862#148862
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:07:46 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Header Tank Wanted
> From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
>
> Don't forget to add to the cons list: 16 gals of fuel sitting in the cabin
> with
> you.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148873#148873
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:13:05 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: flap and aileron hinges
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> The plans call for a 7' hinge for the flap. Aircraft spruce only carries
> them up
> to 6' long. Are you guys just butting a one foot length up to a 6 foot
> length?
>
> Also, should I get the stainless hinge AND stainless pin, or just the
> aluminum
> hinge and order a seperate stainless pin?
>
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148875#148875
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:31:51 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Galvanic chart
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> I just posted a subquestion in my last post about corrosion and fittings.
> For anyone
> interested here's the galvanic chart. Obviously for really intense
> corrosion
> to occur you need and electrolyte like salt water, but even so, humidity
> can be a problem.
>
> http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Definitions/galvanic-series.htm
>
> Generally on aluminum boats they mount a sacrificial anode of zinc.
>
> Anyway, as far as fittings for an aluminum fuel tank, it looks like a zinc
> plated
> fitting would be better than a brass fitting. At least if one corrodes
> over
> time it'll be the zinc fitting which you can replace.
>
> I'm wondering if Aircraft Spruces insanely expensive fittings are just
> zinc fittings.
> Trying to think if I've seen regualr hose barbs and stuff at the hardware
> store that were zinc. They carry lots of brass for sure. I'f anything, a
> zinc
> fitting should be even cheaper.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148882#148882
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:46:41 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Proseal fuel tanks
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> I'm still going to give you a call when I get a chance, but do you have
> some pix
> of what a tank looks like going together? I'm kind of confused as to how
> you
> finally close the thing up and where that cover goes and how big it is.
> Sounds
> interesting though.
>
> [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]Another option you might want to consider
> is building
> a WET wing Vans builds all there wing tanks this way and it really isn't
> that tough. If you build a wet wing you would rivet the leading edge to
> the
> wing then mark the leading edge about 1 inch from each rib between the
> tank
> area then cut the leading edge add a solid rib to each side leaving about
> an
> inch lip and a solid back with about a 2 inch lip upper and lower. You
> would
> add a couple of ribs inside the tank for extra strength add your vent,
> filler
> cap and sender and seal. You would then take a piece of .032 and rivet
> one side
> to the LE that you left before cutting the tank out and add plate nuts to
> the other side to attach the tank to. You would also add plate nuts to
> the spar
> angle that the LE would have been riveted to then simply slide the tank
> in
> and screw her down.
> I wouldn't take the time to fabricate a wing tank inside something that
> could
> already be used as a wing tank not to mention if you were to ever get a
> leak
> the trouble you would have getting it out. You can also find rivets that
> we
> use to repair leaking tanks that do not have a hole in the bottom of them
> so
> when you pull them you only need to seal the base of the rivet and not the
> hole.
> I will find out where to get these and post it. If you decide to build a
> wet wing you must use a dremal tool to cut it so you don't have a huge
> gap. This
> has been ok'd by Zenith also.
>
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2007 7:46:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bretttdc@yahoo.com
> writes:
>
>> Andy,
>>
>> If you are going to rivet and proseal or flame seal your tanks there
>> can
> not be any "big" gaps. All the seams need to fit tight and be riveted
> down
> so all surfaces are touching. Of course there will be small pin holes in
> the corners and tiny gaps between the joints. The sealer will fill
> those.
> If you have large gaps of say more than 1/32 of an inch thick you
> should
> consider another row of rivets or some other measure to close them
> mechanically.
> Maybe you could trim back the flange and use a piece of standard "L"
> to close the gap.
>>
>> The poly sulfide sealers form a tenacious bond between the aluminum
>> parts.
> The sealer itself is quite tough but I would not trust it to fill large
> gaps. I used this construction method on my 701 tanks and believe they
> are
> a lot stronger than the welded version made by Zenith.? I was able to
> incorporate
> two baffles in each tank. These baffles make the tank much stronger
> structurally. I did redesign the tanks making them the same size
> overall
> but all the flanges on the ends are turned in reverse of the standard
> welded
> tanks. This allowed me to incorporate a larger mating surface while
> slightly
> increasing the capacity of the tank as well. If you use pop rivets
> they will all have to be sealed on the exterior of the tank as well.
>>
>> To give yourself a little confidence in the strength of the bond you
>> should
> rivet up some test seams when you are sealing the tanks. Rivet them as
> you would any other seam of the tank. Give the entire assembly several
> weeks
> to cure, especially in cold weather. Then drill out the rivets on the
> test
> pieces and try to break the bond of the sealer alone. You will be
> surprised
> at how strong the sealer is. I could not separate the bond on my
> samples.
> The aluminum tore first.
>>
>> You must be absolutely sure the the aluminum is clean. That means
>> clean;
> not kinda clean. I started the cleaning by scrubbing the parts in hot
> water
> using dish washing soap then flushing with hot water. I repeated this
> process three times. Then I wiped down the joints with MEK. Good idea
> to do
> this on a sunny day if possible. I did this cleaning process after
> all
> the fabrication and deburing had been done. Do not blow dry the parts
> with
> compressed air because there may be a little oil mist in the spray. If
> needed
> a blow drier or heat gun might work well. Once the parts are clean be
> sure you wear latex or nitril gloves when handling the parts. The oil
> from
> your skin could possibly cause problems in the bond. These sealers are
> messy
> and the gloves will simplify the clean up process.
>>
>> I mixed mine using a 10:1 ratio of sealer to hardener. A
>> electronic scale
> works great for measuring the parts. Put the scale in a clear plastic
> bag before using it and you will not need to worry about getting it
> dirty.
> Scrap aluminum that has been cleaned makes a great mixing pallet and
> spatula.
> Just throw it away with the gloves between batches.? Remember, you are
> looking for a great seal and not a pretty finish. None of this will be
> seen
> when the plane is done so if you have a smear or two out of place
> relax.
> Perfect means no leaks and sound joints.
>>
>> Be aware that there are people that swear that it is unsafe to use
>> this
> sealer on tanks using auto fuel. Other people will tell you that it is
> OK
> to use auto fuel in these tanks. I have been soaking one of my sample
> bonds
> in premium auto fuel inside a mason jar for about two years now. I have
> seen
> no softening in the bond. Who is right? You tell me. My next plane
> will
> have tanks sealed with poly sulfide sealer as well. They make good
> sense.
> Check out the Vans website. They have the best deal on the material.
>>
>> FYI I had a problematic leak in a polyethylene black water holding
>> tank
> on my motor home. I think that is why it was up for sale so cheap. I
> drained
> the tank and scrubbed the area with Tide and a plastic brush. After
> rinsing well I allowed the area to dry a few days.? Then I mixed up the
> leftover
> sealer I had stored in the fridge eighteen months earlier. After
> careful
> application with a paint mixing stick?I allowed the assembly to sit one
> week. To this day those tanks are as good as new. Pretty incredible
> stuff.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>> Subject: Fuel tank sealing
>> From: "ashontz"
>>
>> I think I'm going to use Pro-Seal or whatever it is Dave Clay
>> recommended to seal
>> up my tanks, which means I'm riveting them.
>>
>> Anyway, I made my tanks per the Zenith plans and now that I have it
>> partially assembled
>> I'm looking at that huge gap at the full length seam side where the
>> skin
>> joins itself. That reverse bend makes for one big unnecessary gap (see
>> picture).
>> Has anyone else made the tanks per the plans, gotten that, to be
>> expected
>> gap, and had luck with the sealer taking care of that gap?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> > f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>> > .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products
> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
> and top money wasters
> (http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002)
> of 2007.
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148913#148913
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:58:44 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Proseal fuel tanks
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> Brett, thanks for the info. I'm going to remake that skin if I go with an
> internal
> tank rather than a wet skin tank. Haven't decided yet.
>
> Just getting myself back in building mode and a few days or a week of
> thinking,
> considering, and reorienting myself is well worth the time rather than
> just jumping
> in then realizing I wasn't totally reoriented and having to go back and
> fix something major. Spent the last 6 months doing house jobs, car
> repairs, building
> a shed to make the workshop more functional etc... you tend to forget
> what you were working on on the plane and what your major considerations
> were
> that you take for granted when you're in the zone.
>
> do not archive
> _____________________________________________________________
> Andy,
>
> If you are going to rivet and proseal or flame seal your tanks there can
> not be
> any "big" gaps. All the seams need to fit tight and be riveted down so all
> surfaces
> are touching. Of course there will be small pin holes in the corners and
> tiny gaps between the joints. The sealer will fill those. If you have
> large
> gaps of say more than 1/32 of an inch thick you should consider another
> row of
> rivets or some other measure to close them mechanically. Maybe you could
> trim
> back the flange and use a piece of standard "L" to close the gap.
>
> The poly sulfide sealers form a tenacious bond between the aluminum parts.
> The
> sealer itself is quite tough but I would not trust it to fill large gaps.
> I used
> this construction method on my 701 tanks and believe they are a lot
> stronger
> than the welded version made by Zenith.? I was able to incorporate two
> baffles
> in each tank. These baffles make the tank much stronger structurally. I
> did
> redesign the tanks making them the same size overall but all the flanges
> on the
> ends are turned in reverse of the standard welded tanks. This allowed me
> to
> incorporate a larger mating surface while slightly increasing the capacity
> of
> the tank as well. If you use pop rivets they will all have to be sealed on
> the
> exterior of the tank as well.
>
> To give yourself a little confidence in the strength of the bond you
> should rivet
> up some test seams when you are sealing the tanks. Rivet them as you would
> any other seam of the tank. Give the entire assembly several weeks to
> cure, especially
> in cold weather. Then drill out the rivets on the test pieces and try
> to break the bond of the sealer alone. You will be surprised at how strong
> the
> sealer is. I could not separate the bond on my samples. The aluminum tore
> first.
>
>
> You must be absolutely sure the the aluminum is clean. That means clean;
> not kinda
> clean. I started the cleaning by scrubbing the parts in hot water using
> dish
> washing soap then flushing with hot water. I repeated this process three
> times.
> Then I wiped down the joints with MEK. Good idea to do this on a sunny day
> if possible. I did this cleaning process after all the fabrication and
> deburing
> had been done. Do not blow dry the parts with compressed air because there
> may be a little oil mist in the spray. If needed a blow drier or heat gun
> might
> work well. Once the parts are clean be sure you wear latex or nitril
> gloves
> when handling the parts. The oil from your skin could possibly cause
> problems
> in the bond. These sealers are messy and the gloves will simplify the
> clean up
> process.
>
> I mixed mine using a 10:1 ratio of sealer to hardener. A electronic scale
> works
> great for measuring the parts. Put the scale in a clear plastic bag before
> using
> it and you will not need to worry about getting it dirty. Scrap aluminum
> that
> has been cleaned makes a great mixing pallet and spatula. Just throw it
> away
> with the gloves between batches.? Remember, you are looking for a great
> seal
> and not a pretty finish. None of this will be seen when the plane is done
> so
> if you have a smear or two out of place relax. Perfect means no leaks and
> sound
> joints.
>
> Be aware that there are people that swear that it is unsafe to use this
> sealer
> on tanks using auto fuel. Other people will tell you that it is OK to use
> auto
> fuel in these tanks. I have been soaking one of my sample bonds in premium
> auto
> fuel inside a mason jar for about two years now. I have seen no softening
> in
> the bond. Who is right? You tell me. My next plane will have tanks sealed
> with
> poly sulfide sealer as well. They make good sense. Check out the Vans
> website.
> They have the best deal on the material.
>
> FYI I had a problematic leak in a polyethylene black water holding tank on
> my motor
> home. I think that is why it was up for sale so cheap. I drained the tank
> and scrubbed the area with Tide and a plastic brush. After rinsing well I
> allowed
> the area to dry a few days.? Then I mixed up the leftover sealer I had
> stored
> in the fridge eighteen months earlier. After careful application with a
> paint
> mixing stick?I allowed the assembly to sit one week. To this day those
> tanks
> are as good as new. Pretty incredible stuff.
>
> Brett
>
>
> Subject: Fuel tank sealing
> From: "ashontz"
>
> I think I'm going to use Pro-Seal or whatever it is Dave Clay
> recommended to seal
> up my tanks, which means I'm riveting them.
>
> Anyway, I made my tanks per the Zenith plans and now that I have it
> partially assembled
> I'm looking at that huge gap at the full length seam side where the
> skin
> joins itself. That reverse bend makes for one big unnecessary gap (see
> picture).
> Has anyone else made the tanks per the plans, gotten that, to be
> expected
> gap, and had luck with the sealer taking care of that gap?
>
>
> Quote:
>
>
> ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
> .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148915#148915
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:05:32 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Roll over protection
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> I want a canopy like this too. I think Zenith should just post some plans
> as to
> how to build an XL with a CH2000 style canopy. Looks nicer too.
>
> [quote="agustafson(at)chartermi.n"]I put roll over protection in my HD but
> it involved
> changing the turtle deck. One plus side though was that I did not buy
> a $1000 canopy but made my own from unbreakable and easily replaceable
> Lexan
> for less than $100.
>
> Aaron Gustafson
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-1stlandingwave.jpg
> (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/AGCB2/My%20601%20HDTD/E-1stlandingwave.jpg)
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148917#148917
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:20:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> hahaha $600????
>
> Ok, this makes me feel a little better. As crappy as my tanks may turn
> out, at
> least I know I can give it another go for about $30 to make another one,
> ok, maybe
> $70 if you include the sealer.
>
>
> Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I do agree with you we need to have a list of reputable suppliers for
>> parts
> so the Tom Henderson's of the world that sell 15 gal wing tanks for
> $600.00
> and never deliver wouldn't have as much luck ripping people off. And
> their should
> also be a section for known con artists and people that take forever to
> send parts that builders have ordered.
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148919#148919
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:25:29 PM PST US
> From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups
>
> I am in the process of installing the Dynon 180 and thought that the fuel
> pickup readings in the Dynon would read the resistive float type fuel
> senders that Zenith supplied. Am I missing something here? Or do I need
> to
> get the capacitive converters? I am told they are $50 plus each and I wou
> ld
> need two. Any help is appreciated.
> Dave Nixon
> CH601XL Jabiru 3300
> 92% done and 80% To Go
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:44:41 PM PST US
> From: John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> The Dynon claims to support the resitive senders. I've installed a D-180
> as well and amy just wrapping up my wings but according to their docs
> the zenith supplied senders should work.
>
> John Davis
> Burnsville, NC
> 601-XL Jab 3300
>
> Dave Nixon wrote:
>> I am in the process of installing the Dynon 180 and thought that the
>> fuel pickup readings in the Dynon would read the resistive float type
>> fuel senders that Zenith supplied. Am I missing something here? Or
>> do I need to get the capacitive converters? I am told they are $50
>> plus each and I would need two. Any help is appreciated.
>> Dave Nixon
>> CH601XL Jabiru 3300
>> 92% done and 80% To Go
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:04:48 PM PST US
> From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups
>
>
> Dave--
> The resistive senders work fine with the Dynon 180. I've been flying wit
> h them for 172 hours.
>
> George May
> 601XL 912s 172 hours
>
>
> list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: 601XL Tanks and Dynon Fuel Pickups
>
>
> I am in the process of installing the Dynon 180 and thought that the fuel
> p
> ickup readings in the Dynon would read the resistive float type fuel
> sender
> s that Zenith supplied. Am I missing something here? Or do I need to get
> the capacitive converters? I am told they are $50 plus each and I would
> nee
> d two. Any help is appreciated.
> Dave Nixon
> CH601XL Jabiru 3300
> 92% done and 80% To Go
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:09:33 PM PST US
> From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Galvanic chart
>
>
> Andy,
> I don't think you will have much galvanic corrosion unless you are on
> floats and even then I don't believe it would be a big problem. But --
> Zinc
> anodes work well in salt water, but poorly in fresh water. In fresh water
> you will want to use magnesium as your anode.
> Gordon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:31 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Galvanic chart
>
>
>>
>> I just posted a subquestion in my last post about corrosion and fittings.
>> For anyone interested here's the galvanic chart. Obviously for really
>> intense corrosion to occur you need and electrolyte like salt water, but
>> even so, humidity can be a problem.
>>
>> http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Definitions/galvanic-series.htm
>>
>> Generally on aluminum boats they mount a sacrificial anode of zinc.
>>
>> Anyway, as far as fittings for an aluminum fuel tank, it looks like a
>> zinc
>> plated fitting would be better than a brass fitting. At least if one
>> corrodes over time it'll be the zinc fitting which you can replace.
>>
>> I'm wondering if Aircraft Spruces insanely expensive fittings are just
>> zinc fittings. Trying to think if I've seen regualr hose barbs and stuff
>> at the hardware store that were zinc. They carry lots of brass for sure.
>> I'f anything, a zinc fitting should be even cheaper.
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Shontz
>> CH601XL - Corvair
>> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148882#148882
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:24:35 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki
> 1300 cc
> From: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
>
>
> Vne is based on either aircraft structural limitations or instability
> limitations
> whichever comes first. The original Pegastol manufacturer, Dedalius, based
> the Vne calculation on the assumption that the wing was the limiting
> factor. I
> have attached their stress calculations. I have some reservations with
> some of
> their statements and talked to them about them. It is possible of the tail
> to
> be the limiting factor for Vne bit I dont think that is the usual case.
> The
> load on the elevator/stabilizer will depend somewhat on where the C of G
> is. Near
> the aft end of the C of G limit will have the tail under lower stresses
> than
> of the C of G is further forward.
>
> Their claim is essentially that it is designed to handle the more severe
> utility
> requirements rather than the normal requirements met by the 701 or Cessna
> 172
> for example. That claim was partly based on the adoption of recommended
> design
> changes that in some cases never happened. For instance, the bolt diameter
> of the front wing attachment root wing was supposed have been increased
> over the
> original, as used by Zenith. That did not happen, nor could it have
> without
> increasing the size if the wing pickup flanges in the Zenith cabin frame.
>
> I was a bit disappointed when I discovered these discrepancies after going
> through
> their analyses. The bottom line for me is that I do not consider the wing
> system to be designed to the utility category requirements. The weakest
> links
> in their design still satisfy the normal category even at 125 mph
> (assuming no
> stability problems).
>
> -- ray
>
> --------
> Ray St-Laurent
> 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148935#148935
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/stress_analysis_125.pdf
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 24
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:38:54 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Roll over protection
> From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
>
> The more I think about it the more I think that if I could find someone
> good at
> laying up fiberglass it might be a neat idea just to make a aerodynamic
> top front
> fuselage that would replace the canopy. It could have gull-wing doors and
> even some embedded rollover protection.
>
> It's not like the designed canopy is structural. There is a 601 sportster
> pictured
> at the zenith site that has nothing but a windscreen.
>
> The fiberglass could even be made removable so you could have a sportster.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148936#148936
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 25
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:07:41 PM PST US
> From: "j. davis" <jd@lawsonimaging.ca>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Strut Covers
>
>
> arno7452@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> Need source for strut covers for 701.
>> Many thanks,
>> Ken Arnold
>> CH701 95% N701LK (Currently in the paint shop)
>>
>> do not archive
>
> Dead simple to fabricate. Just use roofing aluminum, form
> leading edge by aligning trailing edges and pressing down on
> leading edge (carefully, so as not to get too sharp a
> leading edge) with a 2x6. Drill through trailing edges for
> small soft rivets (a la flaperons). Fit onto struts with
> appropriate cut-out for jury struts), clamp, and squeeze rivets.
>
> Shoot poly-urethane foam into the ends to affix your
> fairings at appropriate 'angle-of-attack'. Affix 'No Push'
> decals near fuselage so that you passengers don't lean on
> the (hopefully). Done. total cost? $10? Enjoy your 5-8 mph
> cruise speed increase ;') See http://cleco.ca -> CH701 ->
> Spring2006 -> imgp2982.jpg.html (and other pics)
>
> --
> Regards, J.
>
> flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 400 hrs.
> building: Sonex #325 (F-CJNJ), Jabiru 3300/6, 98% completed
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> J. Davis, M.Sc. (computer science)
> *NIX consulting, SysAdmin
> email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca
> voice: 519.289.1527 http://www.cleco.ca
> c/o Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON
> N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740'
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> To most people the sky is the limit.
> To those who love aviation, the sky is home.
>
> Losers see problems; winners see opportunities.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 26
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:13:53 PM PST US
> From: "Tom Flanagan" <flanagan@nycap.rr.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: plans fo CH701 amphib floats
>
> Does anyone have an unused set of float plans for sale ?
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 27
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:27:43 PM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
>
> I personally don't see the humor in it. Zenith charges I think 1250.00 for
> the 15 gal tanks. It seems to me you are worried about the tanks you are
> making
>
> leaking. Why don't you try and price having them welded and roll formed
> for
> strength and see how much they cost then. I was taught not to throw stones
> in a glass house.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:22:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
> hahaha $600????
>
> Ok, this makes me feel a little better. As crappy as my tanks may turn
> out,
> at least I know I can give it another go for about $30 to make another
> one,
> ok, maybe $70 if you include the sealer.
>
>
> Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I do agree with you we need to have a list of reputable suppliers for
> parts so the Tom Henderson's of the world that sell 15 gal wing tanks for
> $600.00 and never deliver wouldn't have as much luck ripping people off.
> And
>
> their should also be a section for known con artists and people that take
> forever to send parts that builders have ordered.
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148919#148919
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 28
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:43:31 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
> From: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
>
> Uh, actually, I'm backing you up on this one, sounds like you're peeved
> that he's
> not doing his job, AND he's charging you that much. $600 just sounds like
> a
> lot of money to me for two tanks. Sure, having them welded is expensive,
> that's
> why I'd like to go with the sealer. Even so, how much work is really going
> into these tanks. I've just been farting around with them and it really
> didn't
> take me that long to make the general configuration per Zenith's plans. If
> he's
> making these tanks as a business the hard part would be welding, that's
> about
> it. I'd seem to me he'd be able to make one cheaper than that all tooled
> up
> for the deal. Personally, I'm just trying to find the best way to seal up
> what
> I've made, and if I need to remake the skin it'll take me all of 20
> minutes,
> I'm just being anal about the edges where it seals to make sure I'm doing
> it
> right.
>
> I'm on your side though, if he's making parts he should be able to
> complete them
> in a timely fashion, and seeing how there's about $50 worth of parts per
> tank,
> I really don't see the need for him to need the $600 upfront. I'd be
> peeved
> too.
>
> [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I personally don't see the humor in it.
> Zenith charges
> I think 1250.00 for the 15 gal tanks. It seems to me you are worried
> about
> the tanks you are making leaking. Why don't you try and price having them
> welded and roll formed for strength and see how much they cost then. I
> was
> taught not to throw stones in a glass house.
>
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:22:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org
> writes:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"
>>
>> hahaha $600????
>>
>> Ok, this makes me feel a little better. As crappy as my tanks may turn
>> out,
> at least I know I can give it another go for about $30 to make another
> one,
> ok, maybe $70 if you include the sealer.
>>
>>
>> Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I do agree with you we need to have a list of reputable suppliers
>> > for
> parts so the Tom Henderson's of the world that sell 15 gal wing tanks
> for
> $600.00 and never deliver wouldn't have as much luck ripping people
> off.
> And their should also be a section for known con artists and people
> that take
> forever to send parts that builders have ordered.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Shontz
>> CH601XL - Corvair
>> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148919#148919
>>
>>
>>
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>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148947#148947
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 29
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:42:09 PM PST US
> From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
>
> Speaking of fuel senders in your tanks,,,,
> I m about to cut into my 601 XL tanks to install the sending units.
> My plans show the hole in the end of the tank and my CD shows the hole
> on the top just in front of the spar.
> What did you guys do ??
> Seems like on top would be best and not leak....
> If its installed on the inboard end as per plans, can the unit be
> removed thru the access hole if needed ?
>
> SW
>
> ________________________________ Message 30
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:24:25 PM PST US
> From: "John Marzulli" <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH701 Strut Covers
>
> How did you determine the proper angle of incidence for the strut
> fairings?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Nov 27, 2007 3:04 PM, j. davis <jd@lawsonimaging.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> arno7452@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > Need source for strut covers for 701.
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Ken Arnold
>> > CH701 95% N701LK (Currently in the paint shop)
>> >
>> > do not archive
>>
>> Dead simple to fabricate. Just use roofing aluminum, form
>> leading edge by aligning trailing edges and pressing down on
>> leading edge (carefully, so as not to get too sharp a
>> leading edge) with a 2x6. Drill through trailing edges for
>> small soft rivets (a la flaperons). Fit onto struts with
>> appropriate cut-out for jury struts), clamp, and squeeze rivets.
>>
>> Shoot poly-urethane foam into the ends to affix your
>> fairings at appropriate 'angle-of-attack'. Affix 'No Push'
>> decals near fuselage so that you passengers don't lean on
>> the (hopefully). Done. total cost? $10? Enjoy your 5-8 mph
>> cruise speed increase ;') See http://cleco.ca -> CH701 ->
>> Spring2006 -> imgp2982.jpg.html (and other pics)
>>
>> --
>> Regards, J.
>>
>> flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 400 hrs.
>> building: Sonex #325 (F-CJNJ), Jabiru 3300/6, 98% completed
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> J. Davis, M.Sc. (computer science)
>> *NIX consulting, SysAdmin
>> email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca
>> voice: 519.289.1527 http://www.cleco.ca
>> c/o Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON
>> N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740'
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> To most people the sky is the limit.
>> To those who love aviation, the sky is home.
>>
>> Losers see problems; winners see opportunities.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
> harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> -Airplane The Movie
>
> ________________________________ Message 31
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:25:31 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: ground school
> From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
>
> Eldon,
> Sounds like you've got a plan. My first student was a guy in his 70's who
> also
> had a 50 year gap in his aviation career. His stemmed from getting lost
> on his
> first cross-country and nearly running out of gas in the mountains. He
> was
> determined to finally overcome his fear and went on to get his license and
> do
> a lot of flying. I'm glad you will soon be able to get back in the air.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148970#148970
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 32
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:30:02 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
> From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
>
> I didn't use the ZAC supplied units. I installed capacitance type probes
> from
> the outboard end of the tank. If they fail I will most likely have to
> open up
> the leading edge.
>
> The latest plans call for installing them in the end of the tank. I
> believe there
> is a clearance problem with the head of the sender and the skin if you try
> to top mount them. Hopefully someone else will chime in here.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148971#148971
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 33
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:52:48 PM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
>
> The old style sender could be top mounted but the new style is mounted on
> the side. If you have a older kit or older plans they call for 4 ribs
> before
> the tank and the access hole is pretty small (I just made one so trust me
> it's
>
> small) and I don't think with the four rib style you could get it out
> without
>
> loosing some blood from your hands. The 3 rib wing (New style) gives you
> a
> bigger access hole and the tank is right against the tank and the sender
> lines
>
> up with the flanged hole in the rib so it would be fairly easy to remove
> the
> sender.
>
> Hope this helps
> Jeff
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 8:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> juhl@avci.net writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
> I didn't use the ZAC supplied units. I installed capacitance type probes
> from the outboard end of the tank. If they fail I will most likely have
> to
> open up the leading edge.
>
> The latest plans call for installing them in the end of the tank. I
> believe
> there is a clearance problem with the head of the sender and the skin if
> you
> try to top mount them. Hopefully someone else will chime in here.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:00:59 PM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
>
> sending money for tanks you never receive $600.00
> Making a wing tank yourself (that might leak) $150.00
> Paying someone to fix your leaking tank in 2 years $800.00
> Buying the tanks from zenith and never having to worry again Priceless
>
> Are you a wing tank builder??? No but I did stay at a holiday in express
> last night!!!!!
>
> Boy do I need a drink
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 6:44:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
> Uh, actually, I'm backing you up on this one, sounds like you're peeved
> that
> he's not doing his job, AND he's charging you that much. $600 just sounds
> like a lot of money to me for two tanks. Sure, having them welded is
> expensive,
>
> that's why I'd like to go with the sealer. Even so, how much work is
> really
> going into these tanks. I've just been farting around with them and it
> really
> didn't take me that long to make the general configuration per Zenith's
> plans. If he's making these tanks as a business the hard part would be
> welding,
>
> that's about it. I'd seem to me he'd be able to make one cheaper than that
> all
>
> tooled up for the deal. Personally, I'm just trying to find the best way
> to
> seal up what I've made, and if I need to remake the skin it'll take me all
> of
> 20 minutes, I'm just being anal about the edges where it seals to make
> sure
> I'm doing it right.
>
> I'm on your side though, if he's making parts he should be able to
> complete
> them in a timely fashion, and seeing how there's about $50 worth of parts
> per
>
> tank, I really don't see the need for him to need the $600 upfront. I'd
> be
> peeved too.
>
> [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I personally don't see the humor in it.
> Zenith charges I think 1250.00 for the 15 gal tanks. It seems to me you
> are
> worried about the tanks you are making leaking. Why don't you try and
> price
> having them welded and roll formed for strength and see how much they
> cost then.
>
> I was taught not to throw stones in a glass house.
>
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:22:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org writes:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"
>>
>> hahaha $600????
>>
>> Ok, this makes me feel a little better. As crappy as my tanks may
>> turn
> out, at least I know I can give it another go for about $30 to make
> another one, ok, maybe $70 if you include the sealer.
>>
>>
>> Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I do agree with you we need to have a list of reputable
>> > suppliers
> for parts so the Tom Henderson's of the world that sell 15 gal wing
> tanks
>
> for $600.00 and never deliver wouldn't have as much luck ripping
> people
> off. And their should also be a section for known con artists and
> people
> that take forever to send parts that builders have ordered.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Andy Shontz
>> CH601XL - Corvair
>> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148919#148919
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Time: 06:17:11 PM PST US
> From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
>
> My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I
> assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no
> problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been
> watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$.
> Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in
> business...
>
> SW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
>
>
> The old style sender could be top mounted but the new style is mounted
> on the side. If you have a older kit or older plans they call for 4 ribs
> before the tank and the access hole is pretty small (I just made one so
> trust me it's small) and I don't think with the four rib style you could
> get it out without loosing some blood from your hands. The 3 rib wing
> (New style) gives you a bigger access hole and the tank is right against
> the tank and the sender lines up with the flanged hole in the rib so it
> would be fairly easy to remove the sender.
>
> Hope this helps
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 8:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> juhl@avci.net writes:
>
> I didn't use the ZAC supplied units. I installed capacitance type
> probes from the outboard end of the tank. If they fail I will most
> likely have to open up the leading edge.
>
> The latest plans call for installing them in the end of the tank. I
> believe there is a clearance problem with the head of the sender and the
> skin if you try to top mount them. Hopefully someone else will chime in
> here.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148971#148971
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 36
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:18:55 PM PST US
> From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
>
> Actually when I drink, I m really a good welder.
> Oh and a good lover, but dont tell my wife.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
>
>
> sending money for tanks you never receive $600.00
> Making a wing tank yourself (that might leak) $150.00
> Paying someone to fix your leaking tank in 2 years $800.00
> Buying the tanks from zenith and never having to worry again
> Priceless
>
> Are you a wing tank builder??? No but I did stay at a holiday in
> express last night!!!!!
>
> Boy do I need a drink
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 6:44:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org writes:
>
> Uh, actually, I'm backing you up on this one, sounds like you're
> peeved that he's not doing his job, AND he's charging you that much.
> $600 just sounds like a lot of money to me for two tanks. Sure, having
> them welded is expensive, that's why I'd like to go with the sealer.
> Even so, how much work is really going into these tanks. I've just been
> farting around with them and it really didn't take me that long to make
> the general configuration per Zenith's plans. If he's making these tanks
> as a business the hard part would be welding, that's about it. I'd seem
> to me he'd be able to make one cheaper than that all tooled up for the
> deal. Personally, I'm just trying to find the best way to seal up what
> I've made, and if I need to remake the skin it'll take me all of 20
> minutes, I'm just being anal about the edges where it seals to make sure
> I'm doing it right.
>
> I'm on your side though, if he's making parts he should be able to
> complete them in a timely fashion, and seeing how there's about $50
> worth of parts per tank, I really don't see the need for him to need the
> $600 upfront. I'd be peeved too.
>
> [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]I personally don't see the humor in
> it. Zenith charges I think 1250.00 for the 15 gal tanks. It seems to me
> you are worried about the tanks you are making leaking. Why don't you
> try and price having them welded and roll formed for strength and see
> how much they cost then. I was taught not to throw stones in a glass
> house.
>
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 4:22:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ashontz@nbme.org writes:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz"
> >
> > hahaha $600????
> >
> > Ok, this makes me feel a little better. As crappy as my tanks
> may turn out, at least I know I can give it another go for about $30
> to make another one, ok, maybe $70 if you include the sealer.
> >
> >
> > Afterfxllc(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I do agree with you we need to have a list of reputable
> suppliers for parts so the Tom Henderson's of the world that sell 15
> gal wing tanks for $600.00 and never deliver wouldn't have as much
> luck ripping people off. And their should also be a section for
> known con artists and people that take forever to send parts that
> builders have ordered.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Andy Shontz
> > CH601XL - Corvair
> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148919#148919
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> > [b]
>
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148947#148947
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> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:39:05 PM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks.
>
> Meant to say the tank is right against the rib
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 8:53:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Afterfxllc@aol.com writes:
>
> The old style sender could be top mounted but the new style is mounted on
> the side. If you have a older kit or older plans they call for 4 ribs
> before
> the tank and the access hole is pretty small (I just made one so trust me
> it's
>
> small) and I don't think with the four rib style you could get it out
> without
>
> loosing some blood from your hands. The 3 rib wing (New style) gives you
> a
> bigger access hole and the tank is right against the tank and the sender
> lines
>
> up with the flanged hole in the rib so it would be fairly easy to remove
> the
> sender.
>
> Hope this helps
> Jeff
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2007 8:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> juhl@avci.net writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tim Juhl" <juhl@avci.net>
>
> I didn't use the ZAC supplied units. I installed capacitance type probes
> from the outboard end of the tank. If they fail I will most likely have
> to
> open up the leading edge.
>
> The latest plans call for installing them in the end of the tank. I
> believe
> there is a clearance problem with the head of the sender and the skin if
> you
> try to top mount them. Hopefully someone else will chime in here.
>
> Tim
>
> --------
> ______________
> CFII
> Champ L16A flying
> Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
> Working on wings
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148971#148971
>
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>
>
> Time: 07:02:09 PM PST US
> From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Roll over protection
>
> Sounds like you want one of the airfox canopy installations from Brazil???
>
>
> The more I think about it the more I think that if I could find someone
> good at
> laying up fiberglass it might be a neat idea just to make a aerodynamic
> top front
> fuselage that would replace the canopy. It could have gull-wing doors and
> even some embedded rollover protection.
>
> It's not like the designed canopy is structural. There is a 601 sportster
> pictured
> at the zenith site that has nothing but a windscreen.
>
> The fiberglass could even be made removable so you could have a sportster.
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148936#148936
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> how.
>
> ________________________________ Message 39
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:08:09 PM PST US
> From: "Kenny Aron" <kenny.aron@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system
>
> All,
>
> Whilst standing in my shop this weekend marvelling at my newly installed
> brake system, I slowly realized I have no idea how to add fluid to the
> thing.
>
> My 801 kit came with Matco MC-5A internal reservoir masters. There are
> only
> two ports, one where the brake line attaches, a second that looks like an
> air vent on top. It doesn't appear to be easily removed. I checked the
> Matco
> web site, no help. They've got a mechanical installation drawing, and make
> some comments about what kind of fluid to use, but no manual for the -5 or
> any other internal reservoir system. Nothing on the Zenith pages either.
>
> If the top port is really an air vent, I could pump fluid in backwards
> from
> the bottom of the calipers. If this is really how it's done, what to use
> for
> a pump? Suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> N801KA "Texas Yardart"
> 75% complete.
>
> --
> \|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/
> --Kenny A.
> http://websites.expercraft.com/kennya/
>
> ________________________________ Message 40
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:27:08 PM PST US
> From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system
>
> Take a look at page 10 (the last page) of this document. It is for the
> 601XL
> but the principle is the same. This shows a hand oil pump being used to
> fill
> from the bottom but I have seen a squeeze bottle (like a ketchup bottle in
> a
> diner) used too:
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-gear.pdf
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 41
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:32:38 PM PST US
> From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system
>
> I haven't done it but I've seen it suggested to use a new pump type
> oilcan with a short piece of tubing to pump the brake fluid up from the
> bottom bleed port.
>
> Dred
>
> ________________________________ Message 42
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:11:28 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Elevator trailing edge straightening
> From: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
>
>
> For those who have straightened there trailing edge to remove the nose
> heavy trim
> in a 701, how did you deal with the section that has the trim tab
> installed
> (I crushed the ends of the trim hinge rather than safety wiring it)? Also,
> should
> the edge line up with the top skin of the elevator or a more neutral
> point?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -- ray
>
> --------
> Ray St-Laurent
> 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149003#149003
>
>
> --
> 11/28/2007 9:11 PM
>
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| Subject: | 601XL stabilizer ribs |
While drilling the flange relief holes on the stabilizer centre ribs (6-T-1C) I
made an error and drilled them too far out... no problem, just elongate the holes
with a round file and bring them in. That went okay, but as I did them all
together clamped in the cutting blocks, some of them were opened out a bit far.
So instead of being 5/32" (half the 5/16" hole required) from the corner it's
about 7/32" in the worst instance. See photo for what I'm on about.
Crucial or not? Do I just scrap them and make them again... no real hassle, but
it all takes time.
Appreciate your input.
Glenn
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Hi Art,
I bought a pedestal drill press because the saving for a benchtop model was less
than 50 bucks. Worth shopping around.
Glenn
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