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     1. 03:34 AM - Re: Drill Press (Bob Unternaehrer)
     2. 04:18 AM - Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs (David Downey)
     3. 04:52 AM - Re: Drill Press (Geoff Heap)
     4. 05:06 AM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (ernie)
     5. 05:48 AM - XL baggage compartment fan (chris Sinfield)
     6. 06:01 AM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Juan Vega)
     7. 06:35 AM - Bleeding brake lines (Bob)
     8. 07:03 AM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
     9. 07:05 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan ()
    10. 07:24 AM - Seat Belts for Sale (george.mueller@aurora.org)
    11. 07:47 AM - Re: Bleeding brake lines (Craig Payne)
    12. 08:34 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Jaybannist@cs.com)
    13. 09:46 AM - Re: Drill Press (r miller)
    14. 09:52 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Terry Phillips)
    15. 10:09 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Mike Fothergill)
    16. 10:43 AM - Re: Drill Press (Art Olechowski)
    17. 10:55 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (MacDonald Doug)
    18. 01:27 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Gig Giacona)
    19. 02:04 PM - Re: Drill Press (kmccune)
    20. 02:48 PM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc (rroberts)
    21. 03:01 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (george may)
    22. 03:35 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Bryan Martin)
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    29. 07:18 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Jugle)
    30. 07:33 PM - Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs (Ron Lendon)
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| Subject:  | Just Two Days Left... | 
      
      
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      I always prefer a floor model, because you can always lower the table to 
      get large pieces under it or swing it clear out of the way.  Bob U.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Art Olechowski 
        To: Zenith Matornics list 
        Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:00 PM
        Subject: Zenith-List: Drill Press
      
      
      <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
      
        All,
        Any purpose in buying a floor standing drill press over a bench top 
      when scratchbuilding?
      
        do not archive
        Art
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs | 
      
      I would have no concerns about the overdepth bend relief holes on thr corners.
      The amount you have gone, on such a short height part, in that gauge of aluminum
      should be negligible.
      
      
      While drilling the flange relief holes on the stabilizer centre ribs (6-T-1C) I
      made an error and drilled them too far out... no problem, just elongate the holes
      with a round file and bring them in. That went okay, but as I did them all
      together clamped in the cutting blocks, some of them were opened out a bit far.
      So instead of being 5/32" (half the 5/16" hole required) from the corner it's
      about 7/32" in the worst instance.  See photo for what I'm on about.
      
      Crucial or not? Do I just scrap them and make them again... no real hassle, but
      it all takes time.
      
      Appreciate your input.
      
      Glenn
      
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      Glenn Andressen
      601XL- just started.
      
      
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        Dave Downey
        Harleysville (SE) PA
        100 HP Corvair
      
      
             
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      ...and if you're really stuck for floor space..see pic
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. | 
      
      Paul,
      
      I like your reasoning on this.
      
      Thanks.
      
      Do Not Archive.
      
      On Nov 28, 2007 3:47 PM, Paul Mulwitz <psm@att.net> wrote:
      
      >  Hi Steve,
      >
      > I have a fairly recent standard XL kit.  I installed the senders on the
      > tank tops.  This seemed the easiest way to prevent most leaking (at least if
      > the tank is not overfilled) and I just didn't worry about repairing a failed
      > sender.  In truth, my flying always considered fuel gauges as nice
      > ornaments, while fuel management was done with timing and planning.  Also my
      > preflight inspection always includes a visual inspection of fuel levels in
      > the tanks.  That means if the sender fails to properly indicate the correct
      > level that is not much of a problem, but if it leaks all your fuel then it
      > can be a huge problem.
      >
      > The senders I installed came in the kit and fit neatly under the skin.  I
      > understand there are different ones that have a ground stud that interferes
      > with the skin that need to be shortened.
      >
      > One note for all those folks who are considering welding their own
      > aluminium tanks, I would suggest starting your TIG welding projects with
      > something easier to accomplish.  Welding thin aluminum qualifies as the most
      > difficult kind of welding there is and requires a great deal of skill and
      > experience.
      >
      > Good luck,
      >
      > Paul
      > XL fuselage
      >
      >
      > At 04:40 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote:
      >
      > Speaking of fuel senders in your tanks,,,,
      > I m about to cut into my 601 XL tanks to install the sending units.
      > My plans show the hole in the end of the tank and my CD shows the hole on
      > the top just in front of the spar.
      > What did you guys do ??
      > Seems like on top would be best and not leak....
      > If its installed on the inboard end as per plans, can the unit be removed
      > thru the access hole if needed ?
      >
      > SW
      >
      >
      > *
      >
      > *
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Hi 
      I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2)
      of their XL's.
      
      What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer 
      power supply fan of about 4 ".  In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need something
      during taxi. ram air should work once airborne.
      
      Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar?
      
      Chris
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338
      
      
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| Subject:  | Filling mc-5A brake system | 
      
      
      to fill the brakes:
      1-Get yourself something to push the fluid into the brakes from the bottom with
      a flexible clear hose to attach to (syringe, turkey baster, Oilcan, insecticide
      pump action can eyc...)
      2- open the reserve screw at top of brake, keeep the screw and cork washer to the
      side.
      3-  fill you pumping can with Aviation grade brake fluid. one can only costs $4.50
      on average so get two.
      4-  connect clear tube and can to bottom of brake caliper.
      
      5- with a friend, wife, partner etc looking looking at the top of the reservior,
      unscrew the bleeder valve with a wrench, and start pumping the fluid up the
      brake line.
      6- the fluid goes up the break line into the reservior.  you do not need to fill
      all the way just close to the top or half way is good.
      Air in the reservior is OK just not in the line.
      
      7-  Have your partner seel the top screw.
      
      8- pump just a little more from the bottom to get a good pressure then screw the
      bleeder valve shut.
      
      Go to the next break. finsh that one and test them out.
      
      Remember to fast taxi to 40 mph or so and hit the breaks hard to or three times
      to set the breaks. Let them cool off between each time.
      
      If you hear rattling while taxiing (which happened to me) you need only to test
      it by tapping lightly on brakes, if rattling stops, then just add more break
      fliud from bleeder valve to increase the pressure.(you push more brake fluid in).
      
      Juan Vega
      N42JV "Rivet"
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Craig.Spainhower@exeloncorp.com
      >Sent: Nov 28, 2007 6:43 PM
      >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system
      >
      >
      >I bought a large syringe, like for basting. It took two full syringes to fill
      each system. That's why the bleeders point down instead of up, like on an automotive
      brake caliper. On my Cessna I removed the vent from the master cylinder
      to add fluid, but I don't know if this can be done with the Matcos.
      >
      >Craig S.
      >N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc
      >
      >All,
      >
      >Whilst standing in my shop this weekend marvelling at my newly installed
      >brake system, I slowly realized I have no idea how to add fluid to the
      >thing.
      >
      >My 801 kit came with Matco MC-5A internal reservoir masters. There are only
      >two ports, one where the brake line attaches, a second that looks like an
      >air vent on top. It doesn't appear to be easily removed. I checked the Matco
      >web site, no help. They've got a mechanical installation drawing, and make
      >some comments about what kind of fluid to use, but no manual for the -5 or
      >any other internal reservoir system. Nothing on the Zenith pages either.
      >
      >If the top port is really an air vent, I could pump fluid in backwards from
      >the bottom of the calipers. If this is really how it's done, what to use for
      >a pump? Suggestions welcome.
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| Subject:  | Bleeding brake lines | 
      
      For a one man method of bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a vacuu
      m
      bleeder for less than ten bucks.  With a short tube on the wheel, brake
      bleeder into a jar of brake fluid and the vacuum on the master cylinder, 
      the
      vacuum pump pulls the fluid up with no air in the system.  I jack up my
      wheel a\to allow easier access to the Cleveland bleeder.  Works fine and 
      I
      can do it by myself.
      
      Bob, Wichita
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. | 
      
      That's why they cost so much good point.
      
      
      In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:07:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
      ernieth@gmail.com writes:
      
      Welding  thin aluminum qualifies as the most difficult kind of welding there 
      is and  requires a great deal of skill and  experience.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that
      it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I
      do know;
      
      They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm) capacities.
      
      
      I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was
      not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think
      it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation.
      What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a
      fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport, I
      would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in
      it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain
      may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess.
      
      What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an
      open position until run-up and take-off.
      
      The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the
      firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise
      sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin.
      I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just inside
      the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy
      if I see the need.
      
      Dred
      
      
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| Subject:  | Seat Belts for Sale | 
      
      I have a set of seat belts from the 701 kit as supplied by Zenith, new in 
      the box.  I installed 5 pt seatbelts and never used the kit supplied seat 
      belts.  Perhaps a scratchbuilder might be interested in buying these.  I 
      will sell them for half of what Zenith charges which is $65, plus the cost 
      of shipping.  Email me off line if you are interested.
      
      
      George in Milwaukee
      
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| Subject:  | Bleeding brake lines | 
      
      > For a one man method of bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a vacuum
      bleeder for less than ten bucks.
      
      How do you connect the vacuum to the cylinder/reservoir? IS there a nipple
      that fits into the fill hole where the plug normally goes?
      
      -- Craig
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Ed, I put one of those little computer fans in the top forward skin, just to move
      a little air behind the panel and maybe do a light canopy defogging.  Like
      yours, it is not battle-tested.
      
      Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
      
      
      <dredmoody@cox.net> wrote:
      
      >
      >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that
      it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I
      do know;
      >
      >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm)
      capacities. 
      >
      >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was
      not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think
      it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation.
      What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a
      fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport,
      I would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in
      it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain
      may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess.
      >
      >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an
      open position until run-up and take-off.
      >
      >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the
      firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise
      sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin.
      I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just
      inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy
      if I see the need.
      >
      >Dred
      >
      >
      
      
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      I vote for the floor model.  Thats what I have and the great thing 
      about it is it stands by itself and doesn't take up much room.  If you 
      put wheels on it you could slide it in and out of corner if you wanted 
      to.  My father in law has a bench model but I like the freestanding 
      because I'll never have to move it off a bench.  One thing I'd like to 
      get is a foot pedal.  They used to have one at my high school.  It was 
      a foot lever that would push the drill down so you could use both hands 
      to hold something if you weren't clamping it.  I'm not building a 
      zenith but an RV 4 (not prepunched) and really a miniature bench model 
      would be adequate.  I use it for a lot of other things though.  Good 
      luck!
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      I have also been pondering the problem of keeping the cockpit cool when the 
      plane is parked in the sun. My flight instructor always put a reflective 
      sun screen in his C-150's windshield when it was parked in the sun. For 
      years I've used, in my cars, the reflective screens that are made of thin 
      blister packing material sandwiched between foil. These work amazingly 
      well. I'm thinking of buying the largest one I can find for a car, cutting 
      it to fit the outline of the canopy-fuselage seal, and using sticky Velcro 
      to hold it in place. I might need to cut it into 2 sections for easy 
      storage. The extra large one we have in our car weighs 13 oz.
      
      Has anyone tried this approach with a 601? It seems a lot simpler than a 
      fan or a canopy cover.
      
      Terry
      
      
      At 10:04 AM 11/29/2007 -0500, you wrote:
      >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is 
      >that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's 
      >what I do know;
      >
      >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute 
      >(scfm) capacities.
      >
      >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My 
      >purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I 
      >really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant 
      >difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air 
      >while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming 
      >a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect 
      >most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a 
      >greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. 
      >I'll find out later but right now it's a guess.
      >
      >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy 
      >in an open position until run-up and take-off.
      >
      >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel 
      >to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which 
      >would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the 
      >forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that 
      >forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to 
      >defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need.
      >
      >Dred
      
      
      Terry Phillips
      ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
      Corvallis MT
      601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab
      http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Hi Chris;
      Computer fans work very well in this application. You might even 
      consider using 2 of them. I have only one at present. On really hot days 
      , more air is welcome.
      Mike
      CH-601HDS 1400 hrs.
      
      chris Sinfield wrote:
      > 
      > Hi 
      > I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2)
      of their XL's.
      > 
      > What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer 
      > power supply fan of about 4 ".  In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need
      something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne.
      > 
      > Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar?
      > 
      > Chris
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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      Thanks to all that replied.  I'm leaning towards the floor standing just for the
      sake of possibly
      needing the vertical clearance if indeed a tall part must be drilled.    
      
      Art   
      --- r miller <robertpmiller@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      > 
      > I vote for the floor model.  Thats what I have and the great thing 
      > about it is it stands by itself and doesn't take up much room.  If you 
      > put wheels on it you could slide it in and out of corner if you wanted 
      > to.  My father in law has a bench model but I like the freestanding 
      > because I'll never have to move it off a bench.  One thing I'd like to 
      > get is a foot pedal.  They used to have one at my high school.  It was 
      > a foot lever that would push the drill down so you could use both hands 
      > to hold something if you weren't clamping it.  I'm not building a 
      > zenith but an RV 4 (not prepunched) and really a miniature bench model 
      > would be adequate.  I use it for a lot of other things though.  Good 
      > luck!
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Terry, if you cannot find a large enough sunscreen for
      an automobile, the screens are made from a insulating
      material known as Astrofoil.  
      
      Astrofoil should be available in rolls from a home and
      building store such as Home Depot or Lowes.  It comes
      in several different widths as legnths.  It's been a
      while since I bought some but the price was not too
      bad if I remember correctly.
      
      Hope this helps
      
      Doug MacDonald
      CH-701 Scratch Builder
      NW Ontario, Canada
      
      do not archive
      
      --- Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote:
      
      > <ttp44@rkymtn.net>
      > 
      > I have also been pondering the problem of keeping
      > the cockpit cool when the 
      > plane is parked in the sun. My flight instructor
      > always put a reflective 
      > sun screen in his C-150's windshield when it was
      > parked in the sun. For 
      > years I've used, in my cars, the reflective screens
      > that are made of thin 
      > blister packing material sandwiched between foil.
      > These work amazingly 
      > well. I'm thinking of buying the largest one I can
      > find for a car, cutting 
      > it to fit the outline of the canopy-fuselage seal,
      > and using sticky Velcro 
      > to hold it in place. I might need to cut it into 2
      > sections for easy 
      > storage. The extra large one we have in our car
      > weighs 13 oz.
      > 
      > Has anyone tried this approach with a 601? It seems
      > a lot simpler than a 
      > fan or a canopy cover.
      > 
      > Terry
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Try a couple of these...
      
      http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3180427&CatId=494
      
      63.5CFM each and they only draw 0.30 Amps
      
      
      Mainwheels wrote:
      > Hi Chris;
      > Computer fans work very well in this application. You might even 
      > consider using 2 of them. I have only one at present. On really hot days 
      > , more air is welcome.
      > 
      
      
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      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
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      Geoff Heap wrote:
      > ...and if you're really stuck for floor space..see pic
      
      
      Wow! Thats tight!
      
      Kevin
      
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| Subject:  | Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc | 
      
      
      Ray,
      
      Send me an email at n701rr(at)yahoo.com.  I need to share something with you.
      
      Thanks,
      Rick
      
      --------
      Low & Slow
      Rick
      www.n701rr.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      
      Chris--
         I installed a 2 inch one in the forward panel above the instruments and 
      a 6 inch one at the rear of the baggage compartment. They have come in hand
      y for defogging and do assist with some cooling.  The only real way to cool
       the cockpit when stopped or taxing, however, is to pop the canopy up a bit
      .
      
      George May
      601XL  912s  172 hours> Subject: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan> F
      rom: chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:47:40 -0800> To
      nfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>> > Hi > I have read that some people 
      have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's.> > Wh
      at type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer > po
      wer supply fan of about 4 ". In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need 
      something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne.> > Anyone got any
       Ideas or done something similar?> > Chris> > > > > Read this topic online 
      here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338> > > >
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| Subject:  | Re: XL baggage compartment fan | 
      
      I prop open the canopy while taxiing. I made a prop that keeps the  
      canopy partly open and prevents it from blowing open in the wind.  
      This keeps the cockpit reasonably cool during taxi. I have a canopy  
      cover from Bruce's Custom Covers that does a good job of keeping the  
      cockpit cool when parked. I recently added a Koger sunshade and a  
      couple of Vista Vents to help keep the cabin comfortable in the air  
      on very hot days.
      
      
      On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:47 AM, chris Sinfield wrote:
      
      > <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
      >
      > Hi
      > I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back  
      > bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's.
      >
      > What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v  
      > computer
      > power supply fan of about 4 ".  In our Hot Aussie summers I think I  
      > will need something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne.
      >
      > Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar?
      >
      > Chris
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Bryan Martin
      N61BM, CH 601 XL,
      RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
      do not archive.
      
      
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      My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp
      tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's
      my turn tomorrow.
      
      Ken
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: N601KS flies | 
      
      Great news Ken. Congratulations on sticking it out to the end of a very 
      long road. Where is all this joy taking place?
      
      Dred 
      Do Not Archive
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: ken smith 
        To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; corvaircraft@mylist.net 
        Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:56 PM
        Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies
      
      
      
        My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp
        tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's
        my turn tomorrow.
      
        Ken
      
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| Subject:  | Re: N601KS flies | 
      
      That is great, good luck, I am just finishing the tail and do not know if the wing
      or fuse should be ordered next? I am looking forward to the day when I can
      post the fist flight.
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: ken smith <lrepilot@yahoo.com>
      Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:56:13 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies
      
      
      My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp
      tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's
      my turn tomorrow.
      
      Ken
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: N601KS flies | 
      
      
      Conventional wisdom says go for the wings next.  You will have just  finished 
      acquiring (or honing) most all the skills you will need for the wings -  
      since you are building a 'mini-wing' (horizontal stab) and a 'mini-flap'  
      (elevator)....so build on that (pun intended) and do the wings.
      
      Your overall metalworking skills will improve along with your print-reading  
      skills during the wing fabrication to the point where the fuse fabrication 
      will  make a LOT more sense overall.
      
      Good luck
      
      Tracy Smith
      601XL
      N458XL (reserved)
      
      
      In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:44:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
      tski0403@yahoo.com writes:
      
      That  is great, good luck, I am just finishing the tail and do not know if 
      the wing  or fuse should be ordered next? I am looking forward to the day when
      I 
       can post the fist flight.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Bleeding brake lines | 
      
      
      I have a Mity-Vac hand-held vacuum pump with the brake bleeder adaptor and  I 
      have never been happy with it.  I'll explain in a bit..
      
      the brake bleeder adaptor is a small cup with 2 ports in it: vacuum is  
      applied from the hand pump to one port which opens to the cup right at the  cap.
      
      The fluid inlet has a clear plastic tube extension that goes to  within 1/4" 
      from the bottom of the cup.  A hose goes from the fluid inlet  port to the brake
      
      bleeder screw.
      
      Put 3/8" of fresh brake fluid in the cup so the end of the clear plastic  
      hose in the cup is submirged in brake fluid.  Put the hose on the brake  bleeder
      
      screw and operate the hand pump to pull a hard vacuum...maybe 25" Hg or  so.  
      Now, gently crack open the brake bleeder screw on the caliper and the  vacuum 
      in the cup will pull the fluid (and the air) out of the caliper.  Of  course, 
      all you'll get initially is all air until the hose from the caliper to  the 
      cup is full of brake fluid...so it's a good idea to keep that hose short  !!!
      
      When the vacuum in the cup is almost exhausted close the brake bleeder  screw 
      and pump up the vacuum and try it again until you see no air bubbles in  the 
      clear plastic hose in the cup (whish is now filling up fast with used brake  
      fluid).
      
      DO NOT ALLOW THE MASTER CYMINDER TO RUN DRY or else you are starting from  
      the beginning.  Remember to THROW AWAY all the brake fluid in the cup....it  has
      
      seen air and it is no good anymore.
      
      OK, so why do I NOT like this tool?  When you crack open the brake  bleeder 
      screw air can be drawn from around the screw and into the fluid  
      stream...making it seem like you will never finish this job...EVER.  I also  find
      the 
      ergonomics of the hand pump and the brake bleeder adaptor (cup) and the  hose to
      the 
      caliper a real hassle to deal with.  Maybe if I had a little  tiny electric 
      vacuum pump and a shutoff valve I might like the  process a whole lot 
      better...but I don't.
      
      For situations where there is no brake caliper bleeder screw the Mity-Vac  
      kit comes with a bunch of adaptors that fit into different sized holes...and I
      
      find these adaptors work poorly at best.
      
      Maybe others have been more successful..but for me I'd rather have an  
      assistant pushing on the brake pedal.
      
      Tracy Smith
      Naugatuck, CT
      N458 XL (reserved) 601XL
      
      
      In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:50:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
      craig@craigandjean.com writes:
      
      
      >  For a one man method of  bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a 
      vacuum bleeder for less than ten  bucks. 
      How  do you connect the vacuum to the cylinder/reservoir? IS there a nipple 
      that  fits into the fill hole where the plug normally goes? 
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| Subject:  | Re: N601KS flies | 
      
      
      Congrats Ken!
      
      Woo Hoo!!!
      
      Patrick
      XL/Corvair
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: N601KS flies | 
      
      
      :D  Congratulations Bill.
      
      Glenn
      
      --------
      Glenn Andressen
      601XL- just started.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs | 
      
      
      Not crucial, deburr and carry on.  Looking good!
      
      --------
      Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
      Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
      http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
      
      
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      Hi list, this one is mostly for Canadians but it does apply to all of
      you. As you have seen Jabiru has had to increase there prices on the
      engine line due to the falling U.S. Dollar. While us poor Canadians have
      finally enjoyed a brief session of cheaper prices from 2 years ago, Kit
      prices in Canada have dropped  40% and we finally had Rotax engine
      prices drop to a reasonable rate, that was somewhat a short lived
      period, they have had a jump in price to be in line with the U.S.
      pricing. I was able to get a couple of engines out to builders before
      the Rotax price increase last month, but I only had 3 days notice and
      only knew of a couple of guys that were ready to buy there engine.
      
      This time I have some warning, on January 1st the Price of the Rotax
      series will be going up by at least 7 % in the U.S. and in Canada the
      price will be increasing as much or more. Therefore, if you are getting
      close to engine time and you want a Rotax then it is time to lock in.
      For Canadians and my U.S. customers please contact Can-Zac Aviation at
      HYPERLINK "mailto:Rotax@can-zacaviation.com"Rotax@can-zacaviation.com .
      For the remainder of the U.S. residents that are ready, please contact
      Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Planes qualitysportplanes@gmail.com   we
      both have special arrangements with Rotax for our Zenith builders and
      are able to hold the present pricing for a period of time after the
      increase with just a 15% deposit. However, I do not know how many we can
      hold or for how long, it is a first come, first saved situation right
      now.
      
      If your not ready then no problem, we in no way wish to rush you! This
      message is just for those who are getting close and want to get the
      cheaper pricing. IT is a way to avoid the =93If I only knew!=94 
      statement.
      
      Mark Townsend
      Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
      HYPERLINK
      "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
      HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com 
      
      
      11/27/2007 8:30 PM
      
      
      11/29/2007 8:32 PM
      
      
 
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