---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/29/07: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - Just Two Days Left... (Matt Dralle) 1. 03:34 AM - Re: Drill Press (Bob Unternaehrer) 2. 04:18 AM - Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs (David Downey) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Drill Press (Geoff Heap) 4. 05:06 AM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (ernie) 5. 05:48 AM - XL baggage compartment fan (chris Sinfield) 6. 06:01 AM - Re: Filling mc-5A brake system (Juan Vega) 7. 06:35 AM - Bleeding brake lines (Bob) 8. 07:03 AM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 9. 07:05 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan () 10. 07:24 AM - Seat Belts for Sale (george.mueller@aurora.org) 11. 07:47 AM - Re: Bleeding brake lines (Craig Payne) 12. 08:34 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 09:46 AM - Re: Drill Press (r miller) 14. 09:52 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Terry Phillips) 15. 10:09 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Mike Fothergill) 16. 10:43 AM - Re: Drill Press (Art Olechowski) 17. 10:55 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (MacDonald Doug) 18. 01:27 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Gig Giacona) 19. 02:04 PM - Re: Drill Press (kmccune) 20. 02:48 PM - Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc (rroberts) 21. 03:01 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (george may) 22. 03:35 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Bryan Martin) 23. 04:07 PM - N601KS flies (ken smith) 24. 05:18 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Edward Moody II) 25. 05:43 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Thomas Saniewski) 26. 06:30 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 27. 06:51 PM - Re: Bleeding brake lines (Crvsecretary@aol.com) 28. 07:18 PM - Re: N601KS flies (PatrickW) 29. 07:18 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Jugle) 30. 07:33 PM - Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs (Ron Lendon) 31. 08:40 PM - Rotax (ZodieRocket) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:36 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: Just Two Days Left... Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:19 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drill Press I always prefer a floor model, because you can always lower the table to get large pieces under it or swing it clear out of the way. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Olechowski To: Zenith Matornics list Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Drill Press All, Any purpose in buying a floor standing drill press over a bench top when scratchbuilding? do not archive Art ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:42 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL stabilizer ribs I would have no concerns about the overdepth bend relief holes on thr corners. The amount you have gone, on such a short height part, in that gauge of aluminum should be negligible. While drilling the flange relief holes on the stabilizer centre ribs (6-T-1C) I made an error and drilled them too far out... no problem, just elongate the holes with a round file and bring them in. That went okay, but as I did them all together clamped in the cutting blocks, some of them were opened out a bit far. So instead of being 5/32" (half the 5/16" hole required) from the corner it's about 7/32" in the worst instance. See photo for what I'm on about. Crucial or not? Do I just scrap them and make them again... no real hassle, but it all takes time. Appreciate your input. Glenn -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149254#149254 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010818_129.jpg Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drill Press From: "Geoff Heap" ...and if you're really stuck for floor space..see pic Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149331#149331 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/shed11_149.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:03 AM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. Paul, I like your reasoning on this. Thanks. Do Not Archive. On Nov 28, 2007 3:47 PM, Paul Mulwitz wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I have a fairly recent standard XL kit. I installed the senders on the > tank tops. This seemed the easiest way to prevent most leaking (at least if > the tank is not overfilled) and I just didn't worry about repairing a failed > sender. In truth, my flying always considered fuel gauges as nice > ornaments, while fuel management was done with timing and planning. Also my > preflight inspection always includes a visual inspection of fuel levels in > the tanks. That means if the sender fails to properly indicate the correct > level that is not much of a problem, but if it leaks all your fuel then it > can be a huge problem. > > The senders I installed came in the kit and fit neatly under the skin. I > understand there are different ones that have a ground stud that interferes > with the skin that need to be shortened. > > One note for all those folks who are considering welding their own > aluminium tanks, I would suggest starting your TIG welding projects with > something easier to accomplish. Welding thin aluminum qualifies as the most > difficult kind of welding there is and requires a great deal of skill and > experience. > > Good luck, > > Paul > XL fuselage > > > At 04:40 PM 11/27/2007, you wrote: > > Speaking of fuel senders in your tanks,,,, > I m about to cut into my 601 XL tanks to install the sending units. > My plans show the hole in the end of the tank and my CD shows the hole on > the top just in front of the spar. > What did you guys do ?? > Seems like on top would be best and not leak.... > If its installed on the inboard end as per plans, can the unit be removed > thru the access hole if needed ? > > SW > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:49 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan From: "chris Sinfield" Hi I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's. What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer power supply fan of about 4 ". In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne. Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar? Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:50 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system to fill the brakes: 1-Get yourself something to push the fluid into the brakes from the bottom with a flexible clear hose to attach to (syringe, turkey baster, Oilcan, insecticide pump action can eyc...) 2- open the reserve screw at top of brake, keeep the screw and cork washer to the side. 3- fill you pumping can with Aviation grade brake fluid. one can only costs $4.50 on average so get two. 4- connect clear tube and can to bottom of brake caliper. 5- with a friend, wife, partner etc looking looking at the top of the reservior, unscrew the bleeder valve with a wrench, and start pumping the fluid up the brake line. 6- the fluid goes up the break line into the reservior. you do not need to fill all the way just close to the top or half way is good. Air in the reservior is OK just not in the line. 7- Have your partner seel the top screw. 8- pump just a little more from the bottom to get a good pressure then screw the bleeder valve shut. Go to the next break. finsh that one and test them out. Remember to fast taxi to 40 mph or so and hit the breaks hard to or three times to set the breaks. Let them cool off between each time. If you hear rattling while taxiing (which happened to me) you need only to test it by tapping lightly on brakes, if rattling stops, then just add more break fliud from bleeder valve to increase the pressure.(you push more brake fluid in). Juan Vega N42JV "Rivet" -----Original Message----- >From: Craig.Spainhower@exeloncorp.com >Sent: Nov 28, 2007 6:43 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Filling mc-5A brake system > > >I bought a large syringe, like for basting. It took two full syringes to fill each system. That's why the bleeders point down instead of up, like on an automotive brake caliper. On my Cessna I removed the vent from the master cylinder to add fluid, but I don't know if this can be done with the Matcos. > >Craig S. >N601XS, 601xl 0-235 lyc > >All, > >Whilst standing in my shop this weekend marvelling at my newly installed >brake system, I slowly realized I have no idea how to add fluid to the >thing. > >My 801 kit came with Matco MC-5A internal reservoir masters. There are only >two ports, one where the brake line attaches, a second that looks like an >air vent on top. It doesn't appear to be easily removed. I checked the Matco >web site, no help. They've got a mechanical installation drawing, and make >some comments about what kind of fluid to use, but no manual for the -5 or >any other internal reservoir system. Nothing on the Zenith pages either. > >If the top port is really an air vent, I could pump fluid in backwards from >the bottom of the calipers. If this is really how it's done, what to use for >a pump? Suggestions welcome. > >----------------------------------------- >************************************************** >This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon >Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, >confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon >Corporation family of Companies. >This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or >entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended >recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any >dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation >to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly >prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail >in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently >delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. >Thank You. >************************************************** > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:11 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Zenith-List: Bleeding brake lines For a one man method of bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a vacuu m bleeder for less than ten bucks. With a short tube on the wheel, brake bleeder into a jar of brake fluid and the vacuum on the master cylinder, the vacuum pump pulls the fluid up with no air in the system. I jack up my wheel a\to allow easier access to the Cleveland bleeder. Works fine and I can do it by myself. Bob, Wichita ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:51 AM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. That's why they cost so much good point. In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:07:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ernieth@gmail.com writes: Welding thin aluminum qualifies as the most difficult kind of welding there is and requires a great deal of skill and experience. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:04 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I do know; They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm) capacities. I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess. What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an open position until run-up and take-off. The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need. Dred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Seat Belts for Sale From: george.mueller@aurora.org I have a set of seat belts from the 701 kit as supplied by Zenith, new in the box. I installed 5 pt seatbelts and never used the kit supplied seat belts. Perhaps a scratchbuilder might be interested in buying these. I will sell them for half of what Zenith charges which is $65, plus the cost of shipping. Email me off line if you are interested. George in Milwaukee ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:56 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bleeding brake lines > For a one man method of bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a vacuum bleeder for less than ten bucks. How do you connect the vacuum to the cylinder/reservoir? IS there a nipple that fits into the fill hole where the plug normally goes? -- Craig ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:28 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Ed, I put one of those little computer fans in the top forward skin, just to move a little air behind the panel and maybe do a light canopy defogging. Like yours, it is not battle-tested. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J wrote: > >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I do know; > >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm) capacities. > >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess. > >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an open position until run-up and take-off. > >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need. > >Dred > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:38 AM PST US From: r miller Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drill Press I vote for the floor model. Thats what I have and the great thing about it is it stands by itself and doesn't take up much room. If you put wheels on it you could slide it in and out of corner if you wanted to. My father in law has a bench model but I like the freestanding because I'll never have to move it off a bench. One thing I'd like to get is a foot pedal. They used to have one at my high school. It was a foot lever that would push the drill down so you could use both hands to hold something if you weren't clamping it. I'm not building a zenith but an RV 4 (not prepunched) and really a miniature bench model would be adequate. I use it for a lot of other things though. Good luck! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:21 AM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan I have also been pondering the problem of keeping the cockpit cool when the plane is parked in the sun. My flight instructor always put a reflective sun screen in his C-150's windshield when it was parked in the sun. For years I've used, in my cars, the reflective screens that are made of thin blister packing material sandwiched between foil. These work amazingly well. I'm thinking of buying the largest one I can find for a car, cutting it to fit the outline of the canopy-fuselage seal, and using sticky Velcro to hold it in place. I might need to cut it into 2 sections for easy storage. The extra large one we have in our car weighs 13 oz. Has anyone tried this approach with a 601? It seems a lot simpler than a fan or a canopy cover. Terry At 10:04 AM 11/29/2007 -0500, you wrote: >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is >that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's >what I do know; > >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute >(scfm) capacities. > >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My >purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I >really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant >difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air >while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming >a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect >most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a >greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. >I'll find out later but right now it's a guess. > >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy >in an open position until run-up and take-off. > >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel >to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which >would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the >forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that >forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to >defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need. > >Dred Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Rudder done--finally; working on the stab http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:01 AM PST US From: Mike Fothergill Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Hi Chris; Computer fans work very well in this application. You might even consider using 2 of them. I have only one at present. On really hot days , more air is welcome. Mike CH-601HDS 1400 hrs. chris Sinfield wrote: > > Hi > I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's. > > What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer > power supply fan of about 4 ". In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne. > > Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar? > > Chris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:54 AM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Drill Press Thanks to all that replied. I'm leaning towards the floor standing just for the sake of possibly needing the vertical clearance if indeed a tall part must be drilled. Art --- r miller wrote: > > I vote for the floor model. Thats what I have and the great thing > about it is it stands by itself and doesn't take up much room. If you > put wheels on it you could slide it in and out of corner if you wanted > to. My father in law has a bench model but I like the freestanding > because I'll never have to move it off a bench. One thing I'd like to > get is a foot pedal. They used to have one at my high school. It was > a foot lever that would push the drill down so you could use both hands > to hold something if you weren't clamping it. I'm not building a > zenith but an RV 4 (not prepunched) and really a miniature bench model > would be adequate. I use it for a lot of other things though. Good > luck! > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:00 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Terry, if you cannot find a large enough sunscreen for an automobile, the screens are made from a insulating material known as Astrofoil. Astrofoil should be available in rolls from a home and building store such as Home Depot or Lowes. It comes in several different widths as legnths. It's been a while since I bought some but the price was not too bad if I remember correctly. Hope this helps Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada do not archive --- Terry Phillips wrote: > > > I have also been pondering the problem of keeping > the cockpit cool when the > plane is parked in the sun. My flight instructor > always put a reflective > sun screen in his C-150's windshield when it was > parked in the sun. For > years I've used, in my cars, the reflective screens > that are made of thin > blister packing material sandwiched between foil. > These work amazingly > well. I'm thinking of buying the largest one I can > find for a car, cutting > it to fit the outline of the canopy-fuselage seal, > and using sticky Velcro > to hold it in place. I might need to cut it into 2 > sections for easy > storage. The extra large one we have in our car > weighs 13 oz. > > Has anyone tried this approach with a 601? It seems > a lot simpler than a > fan or a canopy cover. > > Terry Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL baggage compartment fan From: "Gig Giacona" Try a couple of these... http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3180427&CatId=494 63.5CFM each and they only draw 0.30 Amps Mainwheels wrote: > Hi Chris; > Computer fans work very well in this application. You might even > consider using 2 of them. I have only one at present. On really hot days > , more air is welcome. > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149426#149426 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drill Press From: "kmccune" Geoff Heap wrote: > ...and if you're really stuck for floor space..see pic Wow! Thats tight! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149428#149428 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: C-GJRL finally flies: CH701 Pegastol, Suzuki 1300 cc From: "rroberts" Ray, Send me an email at n701rr(at)yahoo.com. I need to share something with you. Thanks, Rick -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149439#149439 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:19 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Chris-- I installed a 2 inch one in the forward panel above the instruments and a 6 inch one at the rear of the baggage compartment. They have come in hand y for defogging and do assist with some cooling. The only real way to cool the cockpit when stopped or taxing, however, is to pop the canopy up a bit .. George May 601XL 912s 172 hours> Subject: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan> F rom: chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:47:40 -0800> To nfield" > > Hi > I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's.> > Wh at type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v computer > po wer supply fan of about 4 ". In our Hot Aussie summers I think I will need something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne.> > Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar?> > Chris> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149338#149338> > > > ====> > > _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.- Join i n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:23 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan I prop open the canopy while taxiing. I made a prop that keeps the canopy partly open and prevents it from blowing open in the wind. This keeps the cockpit reasonably cool during taxi. I have a canopy cover from Bruce's Custom Covers that does a good job of keeping the cockpit cool when parked. I recently added a Koger sunshade and a couple of Vista Vents to help keep the cabin comfortable in the air on very hot days. On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:47 AM, chris Sinfield wrote: > > > Hi > I have read that some people have put a fan into the baggage back > bulkhead (6B12-2) of their XL's. > > What type of fan and does it work well? I was thinking of a 12v > computer > power supply fan of about 4 ". In our Hot Aussie summers I think I > will need something during taxi. ram air should work once airborne. > > Anyone got any Ideas or done something similar? > > Chris > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:12 PM PST US From: ken smith Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's my turn tomorrow. Ken Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:51 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies Great news Ken. Congratulations on sticking it out to the end of a very long road. Where is all this joy taking place? Dred Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: ken smith To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; corvaircraft@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's my turn tomorrow. Ken ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:15 PM PST US From: Thomas Saniewski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies That is great, good luck, I am just finishing the tail and do not know if the wing or fuse should be ordered next? I am looking forward to the day when I can post the fist flight. ----- Original Message ---- From: ken smith Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:56:13 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's my turn tomorrow. Ken Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:41 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies Conventional wisdom says go for the wings next. You will have just finished acquiring (or honing) most all the skills you will need for the wings - since you are building a 'mini-wing' (horizontal stab) and a 'mini-flap' (elevator)....so build on that (pun intended) and do the wings. Your overall metalworking skills will improve along with your print-reading skills during the wing fabrication to the point where the fuse fabrication will make a LOT more sense overall. Good luck Tracy Smith 601XL N458XL (reserved) In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:44:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tski0403@yahoo.com writes: That is great, good luck, I am just finishing the tail and do not know if the wing or fuse should be ordered next? I am looking forward to the day when I can post the fist flight. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:10 PM PST US From: Crvsecretary@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Bleeding brake lines I have a Mity-Vac hand-held vacuum pump with the brake bleeder adaptor and I have never been happy with it. I'll explain in a bit.. the brake bleeder adaptor is a small cup with 2 ports in it: vacuum is applied from the hand pump to one port which opens to the cup right at the cap. The fluid inlet has a clear plastic tube extension that goes to within 1/4" from the bottom of the cup. A hose goes from the fluid inlet port to the brake bleeder screw. Put 3/8" of fresh brake fluid in the cup so the end of the clear plastic hose in the cup is submirged in brake fluid. Put the hose on the brake bleeder screw and operate the hand pump to pull a hard vacuum...maybe 25" Hg or so. Now, gently crack open the brake bleeder screw on the caliper and the vacuum in the cup will pull the fluid (and the air) out of the caliper. Of course, all you'll get initially is all air until the hose from the caliper to the cup is full of brake fluid...so it's a good idea to keep that hose short !!! When the vacuum in the cup is almost exhausted close the brake bleeder screw and pump up the vacuum and try it again until you see no air bubbles in the clear plastic hose in the cup (whish is now filling up fast with used brake fluid). DO NOT ALLOW THE MASTER CYMINDER TO RUN DRY or else you are starting from the beginning. Remember to THROW AWAY all the brake fluid in the cup....it has seen air and it is no good anymore. OK, so why do I NOT like this tool? When you crack open the brake bleeder screw air can be drawn from around the screw and into the fluid stream...making it seem like you will never finish this job...EVER. I also find the ergonomics of the hand pump and the brake bleeder adaptor (cup) and the hose to the caliper a real hassle to deal with. Maybe if I had a little tiny electric vacuum pump and a shutoff valve I might like the process a whole lot better...but I don't. For situations where there is no brake caliper bleeder screw the Mity-Vac kit comes with a bunch of adaptors that fit into different sized holes...and I find these adaptors work poorly at best. Maybe others have been more successful..but for me I'd rather have an assistant pushing on the brake pedal. Tracy Smith Naugatuck, CT N458 XL (reserved) 601XL In a message dated 11/29/2007 10:50:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: > For a one man method of bleeding the brakes, Harbor Freight sells a vacuum bleeder for less than ten bucks. How do you connect the vacuum to the cylinder/reservoir? IS there a nipple that fits into the fill hole where the plug normally goes? -- Craig **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N601KS flies From: "PatrickW" Congrats Ken! Woo Hoo!!! Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149491#149491 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N601KS flies From: "Jugle" :D Congratulations Bill. Glenn -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149492#149492 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL stabilizer ribs From: "Ron Lendon" Not crucial, deburr and carry on. Looking good! -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149498#149498 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:43 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax Hi list, this one is mostly for Canadians but it does apply to all of you. As you have seen Jabiru has had to increase there prices on the engine line due to the falling U.S. Dollar. While us poor Canadians have finally enjoyed a brief session of cheaper prices from 2 years ago, Kit prices in Canada have dropped 40% and we finally had Rotax engine prices drop to a reasonable rate, that was somewhat a short lived period, they have had a jump in price to be in line with the U.S. pricing. I was able to get a couple of engines out to builders before the Rotax price increase last month, but I only had 3 days notice and only knew of a couple of guys that were ready to buy there engine. This time I have some warning, on January 1st the Price of the Rotax series will be going up by at least 7 % in the U.S. and in Canada the price will be increasing as much or more. Therefore, if you are getting close to engine time and you want a Rotax then it is time to lock in. For Canadians and my U.S. customers please contact Can-Zac Aviation at HYPERLINK "mailto:Rotax@can-zacaviation.com"Rotax@can-zacaviation.com . For the remainder of the U.S. residents that are ready, please contact Michael Heintz at Quality Sport Planes qualitysportplanes@gmail.com we both have special arrangements with Rotax for our Zenith builders and are able to hold the present pricing for a period of time after the increase with just a 15% deposit. However, I do not know how many we can hold or for how long, it is a first come, first saved situation right now. If your not ready then no problem, we in no way wish to rush you! This message is just for those who are getting close and want to get the cheaper pricing. IT is a way to avoid the =93If I only knew!=94 statement. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation Ltd. HYPERLINK "mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com 11/27/2007 8:30 PM 11/29/2007 8:32 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.