---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/30/07: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:16 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:29 AM - Re: Rotax (Martin Pohl) 2. 02:32 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Bob Unternaehrer) 3. 03:46 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (kmccune) 4. 03:46 AM - Re: N601KS flies (kmccune) 5. 04:47 AM - Re: Rotax FWF (Geoff Heap) 6. 07:20 AM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan () 7. 08:13 AM - 701 ,801 struts (Tracy) 8. 08:51 AM - Re: 701 ,801 struts (billmileski) 9. 09:36 AM - Flap position sensor (Jake Reyna) 10. 10:02 AM - Re: Drill Press (ashontz) 11. 10:06 AM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (ashontz) 12. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: 701 ,801 struts (LarryMcFarland) 13. 10:55 AM - Re: Flap position sensor (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 15. 01:39 PM - Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (ashontz) 16. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (LarryMcFarland) 17. 01:50 PM - Re: 701 ,801 struts (Art Olechowski) 18. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: 701 ,801 struts (ZodieRocket) 19. 02:10 PM - Re: N601KS flies (Juan Vega) 20. 02:27 PM - Re: Flap position sensor (Bob Unternaehrer) 21. 02:40 PM - Re: XL baggage compartment fan (Bryan Martin) 22. 03:16 PM - Re: N601KS flies (steve) 23. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Art Olechowski) 24. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. (Afterfxllc@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:05 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Zenith-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then now is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that, er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-) I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same. The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotax From: "Martin Pohl" Right you are, Mark! The Rotax here in Europe suffered 11% increase in price this year. Cheers Martin -------- Martin Pohl Zodiac XL QBK 8645 Jona, Switzerland www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149598#149598 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:57 AM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Are those computer fans 12VDC. Wouldn't think they would run off the computer power supply that they are cooling. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Ed, I put one of those little computer fans in the top forward skin, just to move a little air behind the panel and maybe do a light canopy defogging. Like yours, it is not battle-tested. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J wrote: > >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I do know; > >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm) capacities. > >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess. > >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an open position until run-up and take-off. > >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need. > >Dred > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL baggage compartment fan From: "kmccune" Yes they are 12vdc, this is available on a desk top PC power supply. Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149603#149603 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:38 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N601KS flies From: "kmccune" Congrats! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149604#149604 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotax FWF From: "Geoff Heap" Allan. I can get my Pick list from home tomorrow and scan it Monday. Its for the 912 UL. I don't know the diff between that and the 912S. Email me if you want it. STOL10 (at) comcast.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149612#149612 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:15 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Yep, mine both run on 12VDC, Dred ---- Bob Unternaehrer wrote: > Are those computer fans 12VDC. Wouldn't think they would run off the computer power supply that they are cooling. bob U. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jaybannist@cs.com > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan > > > > Ed, I put one of those little computer fans in the top forward skin, just to move a little air behind the panel and maybe do a light canopy defogging. Like yours, it is not battle-tested. > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J > > > wrote: > > > > >I have installed two cpu type muffin fans in my Zodiac XL. The bad news is that it isn't finished so I don't yet know how well they will work. Here's what I do know; > > > >They are available in lots of sizes and standard cubic feet per minute (scfm) capacities. > > > >I put a 4" 35 scfm model in the aft baggage bulkhead of my plane. My purpose was not to keep us cool under the bubble canopy on the ground. I really don't think it will move enough air to make a significant difference in that situation. What I think it will do is moveenough air while parke doout in the sun at a fly-in to keep the cockpit from becoming a broiler. Ata destination airport, I would use a canopy cover to reflect most of the sun's energy, but at a fly-in it will sit there like a greenhouse so the few hours of minor electrical drain may prove useful. I'll find out later but right now it's a guess. > > > >What I will use during taxi is a custom made strut to support the canopy in an open position until run-up and take-off. > > > >The second fan is under the C-channel from the bottom center of the panel to the firewall stiffener. I mounted it there to cool the avionics which would otherwise sit in an upside down bowl of captured heat under the forward top skin. I may decide later on to drill some vent holes in that forward top skin just inside the canopy to use that avionics heat to defrost the front of the canopy if I see the need. > > > >Dred > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:51 AM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: 701 ,801 struts What if anything has anyone done about corrosion protection on701 and 801 stuts? they are open on top and bottom ,that can easilly lead to rusting on the inside on the tubing ,not easilly seen or inspected ! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 ,801 struts From: "billmileski" After installation (a bad time to do this) I plugged the bottom of the struts with sticky electrical putty sealer and filled the struts with warmed linseed oil, then drained it out at the bottom. Made a terrible mess. To do over, I'd probably (before installation), liberally pour a good metal primer inside, turn them to ensure coverage, let it drip out and dry. Seems like a more permanent solution. This is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of outside storage for these light aircraft. Bill Mileski 701 912S 114hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149652#149652 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:39 AM PST US From: Jake Reyna Subject: Zenith-List: Flap position sensor Here is my low cost solution, $50, to a flap position sensor. I'm putting this in the public domain for all to use. It starts with the standard VW fuel sender used in the XL. I realized that the fuel sender is just a position sensor and with minor modifications could be used for a flap position sender. I purchased a Equus #7361 fuel gauge for $17 from Schucks and the fuel sender #221-012 from egauges.com, $24. Go to www.413sx.com for pictures of the prototype. I used a piece of Z channel to mount the fuel sender. The Z is not level to compensate for the flap tube dropping as it extends. I used a tie wrap on the flap tube with a second linked like a chain for the fuel sender rod. The tie wrap for the sender rod should be at least 1/4" diameter so the sender rod doesn't bind. Remember, things are moving back and forth and up and down. Another option would be to use a radiator clamp on the flap tube with a small D-ring for the fuel sender rod. I was able to pry off the trim ring on the fuel gauge and remove the face to repaint black. Ended up wiping off the existing paint with acetone and then very lightly spraying with flat black. Once the fuel sender was installed in the position that allowed for the correct travel, I marked the fuel gauge with the max up and down position. I will make intermediate marks, 1/3 and 2/3 flap when the wing is installed. This is easier to do if you haven't riveted the side skin. One more note. I'm going to be using the Oregon Aero portable seat cushions. I had a bottom, it's in the picture and the back piece of plywood matches the height of the Oregon Aero full back. They are a bit pricey, but no more than what is available for the XL. Jake Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:44 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drill Press From: "ashontz" You crack me up man. Geoff Heap wrote: > ...and if you're really stuck for floor space..see pic -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149664#149664 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:12 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. From: "ashontz" I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$. Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in business... SW > --- -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149665#149665 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:14 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 ,801 struts Bill, The warm linseed oil solution is excellent and a reason many Stinson aircraft are still flying. Common primers, other than fish-oil-base or epoxy primers, are not water-proof, but will hold water and wick to the metal. Go with the linseed oil. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com billmileski wrote: > > After installation (a bad time to do this) I plugged the bottom of the struts with sticky electrical putty sealer and filled the struts with warmed linseed oil, then drained it out at the bottom. Made a terrible mess. To do over, I'd probably (before installation), liberally pour a good metal primer inside, turn them to ensure coverage, let it drip out and dry. Seems like a more permanent solution. This is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of outside storage for these light aircraft. > > Bill Mileski > 701 912S 114hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149652#149652 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:41 AM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flap position sensor Jake, Not to disparage your ingenuity or your creativity, but I will be using a somewhat more reliable and less expensive flap position sensor, actually sensors. They are blue and I got them with the birth package, so they were essentially free. Mine happen to be a little high maintenance, though: glasses, cataract removal, detached retina, etc. With the XL, my take is that they are either up or down, not "nuanced" between. Your solution is quite clever. Have fun! Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J Jake Reyna wrote: > >Here is my low cost solution, $50, to a flap position >sensor. I'm putting this in the public domain for all >to use. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:05 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. If you ordered that crap they show using a torch and some rods don't waste your money. Trust me you will do nothing but make a lot of scrap metal. In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$. Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in business... SW > --- -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149665#149665 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. From: "ashontz" We'll see how it turns out. Apparently it's all about the flux, and you need special googles when working with certain fluxes for aluminum. Apparently there's some way to weld it, and I suspect this is the best way. Everything I've heard about TIG welding is not great either, the splatter from that can burn a bunch of little pin holes all over the place. Worse case I'm out $75 for an aluminum welding kit and $20 worth of sheet metal. At least I'll have tried. I suspect it will work though. And no, this is not brazing, it's welding, with either a MAPP torch or acetyleine. Larry McFarland welded his own tanks with some patience, he's the man! I'll give it a try. That's what homebuilding is about, self-education. 3 years ago my neighbor had a smirk on his face when he saw I was building a plane. He doesn't smirk anymore. Meanwhile Mr. Smirky still spends his saturdays helping his wife grocery shop. I'll at least try welding them myself. Apparently it comes with a VHS video. Now I can't imagine them making a VHS video of a guy welding with said supplies, actually making a welding on video, and then me taking some scrap pieces and having total bum luck with it and not even be able to rudimentally join a bunch of scrap pieces that I can learn from before proceeding to the tank. That just doesn't make sense. [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]If you ordered that crap they show using a torch and some rods don't waste your money. Trust me you will do nothing but make a lot of scrap metal. In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" > > I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. > > [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$. > Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in business... > > SW > > > > --- > > > > > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149665#149665 > > > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) and top money wasters (http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002) of 2007. > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149683#149683 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:12 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. Excellent decision Andy, I welded my tanks and re-learned a great deal doing them. You might be interested in visiting my Journal section 2, March 29th thru May as I recorded the most important solutions, issues and difficulties in producing these tanks. Also have a picture pages on header tank and leading edge tanks and the methods used to get fixture and jigs to hold them while welding. (see links) I found the overlap weld seam a much stronger joint than the barrel type edge weld and much less obstructive to place in a wing. www.macsmachine.com/html/leadedgetanks.htm www.macsmachine.com/html/headertank.htm Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ashontz wrote: > > I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. > > [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$. > Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in business... > > SW > > > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:03 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 ,801 struts Plug the lower end with duct tape, fill it with warm linseed oil, let it set for a couple hours repeat every annual or sooner depending on geographical location. Art --- Tracy wrote: > > What if anything has anyone done about corrosion protection on701 and 801 stuts? > they are open on top and bottom ,that can easilly lead to rusting on the inside on the tubing > ,not easilly seen or inspected ! > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:51 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 701 ,801 struts I also use the warmed Linseed oil, it is a worthy practice. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LarryMcFarland Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 ,801 struts Bill, The warm linseed oil solution is excellent and a reason many Stinson aircraft are still flying. Common primers, other than fish-oil-base or epoxy primers, are not water-proof, but will hold water and wick to the metal. Go with the linseed oil. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com billmileski wrote: > > After installation (a bad time to do this) I plugged the bottom of the struts with sticky electrical putty sealer and filled the struts with warmed linseed oil, then drained it out at the bottom. Made a terrible mess. To do over, I'd probably (before installation), liberally pour a good metal primer inside, turn them to ensure coverage, let it drip out and dry. Seems like a more permanent solution. This is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of outside storage for these light aircraft. > > Bill Mileski > 701 912S 114hrs > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149652#149652 > > > 11/29/2007 8:32 PM 11/29/2007 8:32 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:15 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies pictures..... we nedd pictures! -----Original Message----- >From: ken smith >Sent: Nov 29, 2007 6:56 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com, corvaircraft@mylist.net >Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies > > >My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp >tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's >my turn tomorrow. > >Ken > > >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:09 PM PST US From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flap position sensor My method also, however a flap indicator might be ok so it's in front of you and MIGHT, but probably not, prevent a Flap Down, heavily loaded go-around, maybe with a little ice on the wings.......want any more killer ideas. some planes don't fly so good that way. I put a bigger engine in my c-150 so I could make some of those mistakes. My flap indicator on the c-150 is "lever up and in my way" is flaps down. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jaybannist@cs.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Flap position sensor Jake, Not to disparage your ingenuity or your creativity, but I will be using a somewhat more reliable and less expensive flap position sensor, actually sensors. They are blue and I got them with the birth package, so they were essentially free. Mine happen to be a little high maintenance, though: glasses, cataract removal, detached retina, etc. With the XL, my take is that they are either up or down, not "nuanced" between. Your solution is quite clever. Have fun! Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J Jake Reyna wrote: > >Here is my low cost solution, $50, to a flap position >sensor. I'm putting this in the public domain for all >to use. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:15 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL baggage compartment fan Nearly every circuit in a personal computer runs on 12VDC or less. Most of the circuits run on 5VDC or less. On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:28 AM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote: > Are those computer fans 12VDC. Wouldn't think they would run off > the computer power supply that they are cooling. bob U. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:16 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies YES! We nedd pictures....... ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Vega" Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N601KS flies > > pictures..... we nedd pictures! > > -----Original Message----- >>From: ken smith >>Sent: Nov 29, 2007 6:56 PM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com, corvaircraft@mylist.net >>Subject: Zenith-List: N601KS flies >> >> >>My 601XL flew for the first time today, Bill Clapp >>tokk it up for me, and reports that it flew well. It's >>my turn tomorrow. >> >>Ken >> >> >>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:44 PM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. Find a cheap stick welder and convert it to a tig to weld the aluminum and use the oxy/acetylene for the steel. Here's the link for the conversion kit if your interested: http://www.tigdepot.net/products_details2.php?productid=197 Art --- Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote: > If you ordered that crap they show using a torch and some rods don't waste > your money. Trust me you will do nothing but make a lot of scrap metal. > > > In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ashontz@nbme.org writes: > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" > > I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld > my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of > money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. > > [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose > ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of > the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" > tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe > the $$$$$. > Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in > business... > > SW > > > --- > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149665#149665 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:03 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL 15 gal. fuel tanks. I have the video and I bought the rods and trust me you don't want to use this stuff on your fuel tanks. If it is the one where they show the guy filling a hole in a soda can you are just asking to shorten your life span even if you did somehow get the stuff to hold. I understand you are trying to save money but what you are talking about is just plain dangerous If it the same stuff I bought. Jeff In a message dated 11/30/2007 4:40:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" We'll see how it turns out. Apparently it's all about the flux, and you need special googles when working with certain fluxes for aluminum. Apparently there's some way to weld it, and I suspect this is the best way. Everything I've heard about TIG welding is not great either, the splatter from that can burn a bunch of little pin holes all over the place. Worse case I'm out $75 for an aluminum welding kit and $20 worth of sheet metal. At least I'll have tried. I suspect it will work though. And no, this is not brazing, it's welding, with either a MAPP torch or acetyleine. Larry McFarland welded his own tanks with some patience, he's the man! I'll give it a try. That's what homebuilding is about, self-education. 3 years ago my neighbor had a smirk on his face when he saw I was building a plane. He doesn't smirk anymore. Meanwhile Mr. Smirky still spends his saturdays helping his wife grocery shop. I'll at least try welding them myself. Apparently it comes with a VHS video. Now I can't imagine them making a VHS video of a guy welding with said supplies, actually making a welding on video, and then me taking some scrap pieces and having total bum luck with it and not even be able to rudimentally join a bunch of scrap pieces that I can learn from before proceeding to the tank. That just doesn't make sense. [quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]If you ordered that crap they show using a torch and some rods don't waste your money. Trust me you will do nothing but make a lot of scrap metal. In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ashontz@nbme.org writes: > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" > > I hear ya. I just ordered some stuff and an instructional video to gas weld my tanks. At least if I'm going to spend even half or a thrid that kind of money I want some tools and skills out of it I can have forever. > > [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]My QBK is # 55. There are three nose ribs inboard of the tank. I assume I need to install the senders on the end of the tank. Its no problem but I didnt want to screw up these "costly" tanks. I ve been watching your discussion of tank costs here and cant believe the $$$$$. > Heck, about $6 of sheet aluminum and a tig welder would put us in business... > > SW > > > > --- > > > > > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149665#149665 > > > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) and top money wasters (http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop00030000000002) of 2007. > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149683#149683 **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. 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