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1. 03:30 AM - Re: Avex Rivets (ashontz)
2. 03:43 AM - China products ()
3. 04:37 AM - Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: On the Skycatcher by (Aaron Gustafson)
5. 06:09 AM - Re: On the Skycatcher by (Rob St Denis)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: China products (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" (Gig Giacona)
8. 07:22 AM - Re: China products (LarryMcFarland)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" (Christian Tremblay)
10. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" (Terry Turnquist)
11. 09:16 AM - Re: China products (nyterminat@aol.com)
12. 09:17 AM - Re: Magnetic Cpmpass (Jim Fosse)
13. 09:17 AM - Re: China products (Randy L. Thwing)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: China products (Ron Lalonde)
15. 09:19 AM - Zenith & Can-Zac Aviation Clothing and Logo Wear (ZodieRocket)
16. 09:27 AM - Re: throttle on 701 with 912 (ricklach)
17. 09:57 AM - Re: China products (baileys)
18. 11:21 AM - Re: China products (William Dominguez)
19. 11:34 AM - Re: China products (nyterminat@AOL.COM)
20. 12:02 PM - Re: throttle on 701 with 912 (Klaus Truemper)
21. 12:52 PM - Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System (Dave Nixon)
22. 12:52 PM - Re: China products (Randy L. Thwing)
23. 01:19 PM - throttle on 701 with 912 (Joe Spencer)
24. 01:25 PM - Re: Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System (Craig Payne)
25. 01:41 PM - Re: Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System (John Davis)
26. 03:59 PM - Re: Zenith & Can-Zac Aviation Clothing and Logo Wear (Southern Reflections)
27. 04:35 PM - Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" (Southern Reflections)
28. 04:37 PM - Re: China products (Southern Reflections)
29. 04:47 PM - Re: China products (Southern Reflections)
30. 04:48 PM - Re: China products (Southern Reflections)
31. 04:54 PM - Re: China products (Southern Reflections)
32. 07:27 PM - Re: China products (Randy L. Thwing)
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Hurray for globalization!!! NOT!!!
I knew NAFTA was a bunch of crap back in 1992, and I was only 23 at the time. I
thought to myself then, ok, we're in a recession, I'm finding it difficult to
find a job out of college with a usable degree in computer science and Clinton
retard is making promises to give even more jobs to foreigners. Bush Sr. and
Jr. also helped that along, typicla Republicrats. NAFTA and globalization is
nothing more than help for corporate socialists in this country (facists) to make
it easier for the top .1% to make even more money under the US flag while
first off not even being an actual US company and secondly taking all of those
jobs away from Americans and making them work for less at crappy Wal-Mart greeter
jobs and then encouraging them to find 'wealth' through borrowing against
asset inflation (housing bubble home equity loans). THis country is royally screwed.
Call me a nut, but we are at the cusp of a second Greater Depression and
this credit crunch and housing slump are just the tip of the iceberg. These
globalization/trade deficit created debts are now coming due with deflation
in create leveraged assets (housing) and inflation in everything else you need,
particularly commodities. The only candidate that's addressing any of this is
Ron Paul, running as a Republican (because he;s always been a REAL conservative
not a NeoCon) but a Libertarian at heart. Think first before you vote this
time around.
I know there's older guys on here so this one may bring it a little closer to home
for you. If you think you're safe for retirement and invested well, think
again. Look at your investment mutual funds. Most of them are tainted with a lot
of what's called commercial paper and mortgage backed securities. Wallstreet
has been packaging these crappy subprime loans along with other supposedly safe
investments and calling it all AAA rated which is what pension funds are only
allowed to buy. The pension funds then are expecting a safe return as well
as the share value of that fund to always be equal to $1. Well, now that housing
is going in the crapper, those fund shares have an indeterminate value (meaning
their crap). Google Florida Fund. Their whole pension and munipal funds
system is all screwed up right now as will many others be.
Rant off.
[quote="rlalonde"]In defence of Chinese made products, (which I agree are inferior
on the most part) it had been discovered that many of the products (especially
the lead paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested
by North American companies!! They produced what was requested, at a
price well below of what it could be made in the US or Canada.
You get what you pay for. If there is a market for "cheap" you get "cheap". Avex
rivets......if you test them like Zenith Aircraft suggests, it is a safe bet
they are ok. Pay your money, and take your chances....who says the UK rivets
were any better?? UK hasnt made them for a few years and I havent seen any reports
indicating either positive or negatively.
Just something to think about.
Ron
> Subject: Re: Avex Rivets
> From: juhl@avci.net
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:46:07 -0800
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
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> I've never had a Zenith supplied rivet leave any of the shank protruding. I
got my rivets in June 06 so they may be some that were made in the UK.
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> I've seen a number of problems with Chinese built products - poison pet food,
bogus drugs and personal products, aluminum that doesn't meet spec, inferior
auto parts, lead paint on toys...... pardon me if I'm not a fan of Chinese exports.
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> The fact that avex rivets are now made in China does not reassure me.
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Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested
by North American companies!!"
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" |
I wasn't awayre that a specific country of origin had been selected.
Last news release simply said it would not be made in usa and that
multiple sites were being considered. bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: LarryMcFarland
To: ehotline@eaa.org ; zenith-list
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:49 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna"
<larry@macsmachine.com>
Good evening gentlemen,
I'd have thought that Cessna had better marketing sense than to allow
China to become the manufacturing base for an aircraft that would be
sold back to America.
Most of the people of "our generation" that can afford the plane,
wouldn't buy any aircraft from
China on basic moral principals, regardless of price. No more than
we'd
tolerate buying an automobile
from China regardless of the American sounding nameplate on the front.
Any other friendly country would have been fine, like England, Japan,
Poland, Czechoslovakia or Belgium.
*Never from China! *Cessna can keep their plane. I wouldn't devalue
my
country's financial base that way!
Larry McFarland
EAA 9008455
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by |
I agree 100% with Larry. We're depriving people here of good jobs by
sending so much to China. The attitude is "money rules, throw everything
else out".
Aaron Gustafson
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by |
its all because the people at the top are those benefiting on the short
term. They save so much cash by having stuff built by $3/day chinese as
opposed to $200/day westerners. The problem of course is it's not
sustainable. People lose their jobs here so things can be built overseas,
this cuts the local customer base and the bottom falls out from under the
company. Of course the guys at the top have made their money by then, so
they don't care.
On 12/7/07, Aaron Gustafson <agustafson@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> I agree 100% with Larry. We're depriving people here of good jobs by
> sending so much to China. The attitude is "money rules, throw everything
> else out".
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> Aaron Gustafson
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water
coolers are made in China to the American specs but about every 6 months they
have
to find out why the water cooler has a bad odor or bad tasting water. And it
is always that China has changed a part or gasket or o-ring that no one asked
them to Now we see the paint issue. I think most of the China made things in
my house won't kill me but I wouldn't want to trust China to use the proper
materials in building my airplane because they have proven they just do what
they want with our things. So go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from
China but don't whine when you find out that the parts that were supposed to
go in them weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will apologize to China
just like Mattel did.
Jeff
In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hart701@charter.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <hart701@charter.net>
Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead
paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested
by North American companies!!"
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" |
This entire conversation is off topic for this forum. Please take it over to rec.aviation.*,
though we had the discussion there a week or two ago.
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See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Good LSA aircraft and components are built in other countries and I have
no problem
with that. I watched the machine tool industry and the materials base
go overseas years ago
but the aggressive position that China's leaders are taking puts this
country in jeopardy.
I'd predict this will bottom out in less than 5 years when the dollar is
busted and
China decides to take over all large business assets in this country.
Our special interest
leaderships, like Cessna, Chrysler etc, seem to be preparing for this as
an inevitability
and it's happening much faster than anyone seems aware.
Larry
do not archive
Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
> My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water
> coolers are made in China to the American specs but about every 6
> months they have to find out why the water cooler has a bad odor or
> bad tasting water. And it is always that China has changed a part or
> gasket or o-ring that no one asked them to Now we see the paint issue.
> I think most of the China made things in my house won't kill me but I
> wouldn't want to trust China to use the proper materials in building
> my airplane because they have proven they just do what they want
> with our things. So go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from
> China but don't whine when you find out that the parts that were
> supposed to go in them weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will
> apologize to China just like Mattel did.
>
> Jeff
>
> In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hart701@charter.net writes:
>
>
> Ron,
> Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead
> paint??.....c'mon!
> Rich H
>
> "it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
> ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering
> requested
> by North American p; sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find
> you for -Matt Dralle, List he es y -->
> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS =====================
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| Subject: | On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" |
I agree with you. But Chinese peoples, in China, have a chance to became the
big future market for this plane. Do we will see what happens with cars ?
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
-----Message d'origine-----
De: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de LarryMcFarland
Envoy: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:49 PM
: ehotline@eaa.org; zenith-list
Objet: Zenith-List: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna"
Good evening gentlemen,
I'd have thought that Cessna had better marketing sense than to allow
China to become the manufacturing base for an aircraft that would be
sold back to America.
Most of the people of "our generation" that can afford the plane,
wouldn't buy any aircraft from
China on basic moral principals, regardless of price. No more than we'd
tolerate buying an automobile
from China regardless of the American sounding nameplate on the front.
Any other friendly country would have been fine, like England, Japan,
Poland, Czechoslovakia or Belgium.
*Never from China! *Cessna can keep their plane. I wouldn't devalue my
country's financial base that way!
Larry McFarland
EAA 9008455
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" |
None of this makes me as mad as when they withdrew Pluto's status as a planet!
What will they do next?
do not archive
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
A friend of mine works for a testing lab much like UL, he has gone to China to
investigate why products?failed after getting their testing approval. Well it
turns out that things that were made in China for the US were being copied by
the Chinese and sold as the tested product with forged labels. When they tried
to locate the factory that was making the knock off items they were either closed
or making some other product. They use factories like a shell game where
they will move a whole assembly line to another factory location just to avoid
detection. This seems to be a standard game to them and their government is so
corrupt that they will not enforce anything because a lot of them are being
paid off. I know an acquaintance in China who is a US citizen that constantly
gets frustrated by their lying just to save face mentality. It is part of the
culture and I? doubt that it will change because they are building an airplane.
Bob
My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water coolers are
made in China to the American specs but about every 6 months they have to find
out why the water cooler has a bad odor or bad tasting water. And it is always
that China has changed a part or gasket or o-ring that no one asked them
to Now we see the paint issue. I think most of the China made things in my house
won't kill me but I wouldn't want to trust China to use the proper materials
in building my airplane because they have proven they just do what they want
with?our things. So go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from China but
don't whine when you find out that the parts that were supposed to go in them
weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will apologize?to China just like Mattel
did.?
?
Jeff
?
In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hart701@charter.net
writes:
Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested
by North American p; sp; ? ? ? ?? (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find you for ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Matt Dralle, List he es y ? --> ? ? ? ? ? ?? - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
=====================
hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
-----Original Message-----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 7:09 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water coolers are
made in China to the American specs but about every 6 months they have to find
out why the water cooler has a bad odor or bad tasting water. And it is always
that China has changed a part or gasket or o-ring that no one asked them
to Now we see the paint issue. I think most of the China made things in my house
won't kill me but I wouldn't want to trust China to use the proper materials
in building my airplane because they have proven they just do what they want
with?our things. So go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from China but
don't whine when you find out that the parts that were supposed to go in them
weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will apologize?to China just like Mattel
did.?
?
Jeff
?
In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hart701@charter.net
writes:
Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested
by North American p; sp; ? ? ? ?? (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find you for ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Matt Dralle, List he es y ? --> ? ? ? ? ? ?? - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
=====================
hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Cpmpass |
FWIW, my experience with the magnetic compass in my 701: First ordered the
Falcon (I think) vertical card compass and it was back ordered for months.
Frustrated, I ordered the TSO'd PAI vertical card compass. I first mounted
it on the glare shield and it went bonkers. Removed it and moved it around
in the cabin until I could find a location where it would settle down. It
wound up on the fwd overhead horizontal tube and it works great in that
position. I fabricated an aluminum mount and secured it with two 8/32
screws, drilled and tapped, to the tube. Would strongly suggest exploring
the cabin for location with the compass you will mount before permanently
(welding) a fixture.
Jim Fosse
N329F
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Do not archive
I wish that everyone who is concerned with China was as concerned about OUR
Governments (Fed, State, Local) regulation and tax systems driving business
away. With nearly 50% of our population employed by a Government of some
sort, China or not, we're heading for trouble.
Request for clarification.
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to? Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight? Rivet
guns come to mind?
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
> less than 5 years when the dollar is
> busted
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I dont wanna get into a big argument...this is the Zenith list.
Dont forget boys...if someone from North America ordered "Zenith aircraft p
arts" from China (for a cheapo price) what would the quality be like?? You
get what you pay for. Copycat producers of Zenith aircraft are doing the s
ame thing as China....and they have a market....but quality metal/material.
...I doubt it.
No one complains of cheaply made products when they are paying for them...j
ust when they fail to live up to the expectaions of comparitive quality pro
ducts they were designed after. Buy from Zenith if you want to be sure of t
he quaility. OR test the material you purchase using empirical standards wi
th cost not being a consideration..
Lets get real!!T he toys that had lead paint and were exported to the State
s were designed and purchased by a North American market. No...they didnt s
ay "make sure to paint with toxic lead paint" but they (designers etc)stipu
lated that they wanted the toys inexpensively (Cheap junk in other words) s
o they were made with the cheapest material available., and overstocked and
inexpensive lead paint was used.
Thus, this is the reason these toys made it over here....lead paint and al
l.
Obviously they are not going to make inferior products with superior materi
al. You get what you pay for.
This is NOT new, it has been happening for years.
Chinese products will always be around, as long as the North American marke
t supports it.
So come on.....we cant blame China, when it is US/Canada that in a large pa
rt drives and supports the market!!! Go into any store and you will easily
see the light.
Avex rivets..........think about it and make sure to test them...Just like
ZAC advises.
Ron.
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:37:09 -0800> From: hart701@charter.net> To: zeni
th-list@matronics.com> Subject: Zenith-List: China products> > --> Zenith-L
ist message posted by: <hart701@charter.net>> > Ron,> Are you saying that t
he North American Companies specified lead paint??.....c'mon!> Rich H> > "i
t had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le > ad pai
nt on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering requested > by
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| Subject: | Zenith & Can-Zac Aviation Clothing and Logo Wear |
Hi Guys, I am just writing a note to say Thanks to all who have ordered
from the HYPERLINK "http://can-zacaviation.promoshop.com/"Promo Store
and to let the rest of you know that the Christmas cutoff is fast
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tree!
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This shop was setup after almost a year and a half of ongoing work to
fulfill the requests of the builders who came to me every year asking
for an expanded clothing line. So far in 3 weeks the website counter has
seen 145 visits, I have had far more requests for the store then that
and if we factor in the curious viewer then I really would have expected
more. Please have a visit over the weekend. Look at the product, even if
you do not wish to have a shirt or jacket with your call letters under
the Zenith Logo, how about a shop mug, or the new Sandwich Bill Hat!
Alternatively, just have a visit and let me know what you think!
Monday Dec 10th is Cut off Date to have your order under the Christmas
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Aviation Logo wear shop.
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Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
12/6/2007 11:15 PM
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| Subject: | Re: throttle on 701 with 912 |
Hi Joe,
I have been considering making the change you and Klaus have made. Would it be
possible for you to post some pictures of your installation?
Thank You
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Good point, not to mention the overzealous inspectors from EEOC, OSHA,
Natural Resources, labor relations board, etc.etc. I spent most of my
adult life in Mfg. and you do not want to offend any of these guys. The
are litigious, hostile, nit pickers who think you are the lowest form of
life. Of course both management and the labor unions share the blame
too.
BTW I have several HF tools and I would much prefer American Made, but
it is almost non-exsistent.
Even American name brands come from China.
Bob B.
Do not archive
I wish that everyone who is concerned with China was as concerned
about OUR
Governments (Fed, State, Local) regulation and tax systems driving
business
away. With nearly 50% of our population employed by a Government of
some
sort, China or not, we're heading for trouble.
Request for clarification.
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to?
Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight?
Rivet
guns come to mind?
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
I think this is the REAL reason why business are outsourcing to China:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2139401.stm
It would be really tough for American workers to compete with people working under
such conditions, no matter how much you deregulate labor in this country.
I don't know you guys but I would never want to see any American employee working
under such conditions.
William Dominguez
Obviously do not archive
baileys <baileys@ktis.net> wrote: Good point, not to mention the overzealous
inspectors from EEOC, OSHA, Natural Resources, labor relations board, etc.etc.
I spent most of my adult life in Mfg. and you do not want to offend any
of these guys. The are litigious, hostile, nit pickers who think you are
the lowest form of life. Of course both management and the labor unions share
the blame too.
BTW I have several HF tools and I would much prefer American Made, but it is
almost non-exsistent.
Even American name brands come from China.
Bob B.
Do not archive
I wish that everyone who is concerned with China was as concerned about OUR
Governments (Fed, State, Local) regulation and tax systems driving business
away. With nearly 50% of our population employed by a Government of some
sort, China or not, we're heading for trouble.
Request for clarification.
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to? Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight? Rivet
guns come to mind?
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Randy, You are right, I believe all the Craftsman tools are now made in China too.
do not archive
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to? Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight? Rivet
guns come to mind?
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy L. Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:46 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Do not archive
I wish that everyone who is concerned with China was as concerned about OUR
Governments (Fed, State, Local) regulation and tax systems driving business
away. With nearly 50% of our population employed by a Government of some
sort, China or not, we're heading for trouble.
Request for clarification.
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to? Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight? Rivet
guns come to mind?
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
> less than 5 years when the dollar is
> busted
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| Subject: | Re: throttle on 701 with 912 |
Hi Joe,
We had been in touch about the rod system for the throttles.
Maybe you did install something similar to our system.
But no matter what, it's great to read that you got rid of the
the cable problem.
For anybody interested in the carburetor linkage we are using,
the details are shown at
http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/linkage_carburetors.html
Happy flying,
Klaus
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System |
I am trying to finish up the exhaust kit to supply heat to the cabin and
carb boxes.
Unfortunately, the Jabiru Install manual is a little light in this area.
I
have one tray with two outlets (1-2" & 1- 2 1/2") that is to be mounted t
o
the muffler and another piece, similar in appearance with just a single
outlet on it. How do these get mounted? I figured that there would have
to
some forced air from the NACAs but for the life of me I can't get it work
ed
out. Any one have any pictures of this part of the install? I could fin
d
noth ing in the manuals. Can some one lead me there?
Thanks, Dave Nixon
CH601XL Jabiru 3300 92% Done 85% To Go
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Do not archive
Craftsman tools WERE made by the conglomerate; Danaher Corp which still
owns/makes the following brands:
Allen
Armstrong Tools
GearWrench
Holo-Krome
Iseli
K-D Tools
Matco Tools
Sata
Spline Gauges
They also own Jacobs Chucks.
Craftsman is now missing from their list, I'm sure you are right about
where they are now made.
http://www.danaher.com/business/strategic_detail.asp?key=12
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Randy, You are right, I believe all the Craftsman tools are now made
in China too.
do not archive
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to?
Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight?
Rivet
guns come to mind?
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | throttle on 701 with 912 |
Dr Klaus
I installed a similar setup to yours. Only difference was I used 3/16
chromoly rod instead of the aluminum tube...because that's what I had on
hand. Works great...no more throttle aggravation. Thanks a lot.
Joe
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| Subject: | Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System |
The one with two hose connections is for your cabin heat. One side draws
from a NACA vent so that your heated cabin heat comes from fresh air. The
other side goes to the cabin heat selector box. The NACA vent provides the
pressure to push the air through to the cabin. To keep the hose runs short
make sure you mount the selector box on the firewall on the opposite side of
the plane from the NACA vent. Look here for some guidance on the
installation:
http://www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf_files/Cabin%20Heat.pdf
The other tray with the single hose connection is for carb heat. It simple
draws air from inside of the cowl. It doesn't need pressure as the engine
sucks air in.
Now for the (possible) bad news: the size of the inlet or outlet on the
cabin heat tray may not match what the other end of the hose goes to. If
your FWF kit came from Jabiru USA in TN then they shipped some where one end
or the other doesn't match the part at the other end of the hose. I can't
remember if it is the selector box or the NACA vent. If the cabin heat
selector box and NACA vent are both 2 inch then Jabiru USA will swap your
tray for one that has 2 inch fittings at both ends. Call Dana and tell her
what you have.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nixon
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:51 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System
I am trying to finish up the exhaust kit to supply heat to the cabin and
carb boxes.
Unfortunately, the Jabiru Install manual is a little light in this area. I
have one tray with two outlets (1-2" & 1- 2 1/2") that is to be mounted to
the muffler and another piece, similar in appearance with just a single
outlet on it. How do these get mounted? I figured that there would have to
some forced air from the NACAs but for the life of me I can't get it worked
out. Any one have any pictures of this part of the install? I could find
noth ing in the manuals. Can some one lead me there?
Thanks, Dave Nixon
CH601XL Jabiru 3300 92% Done 85% To Go
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System |
To add to Craigs response, the new cowlings that Jabiru USA are shipping
are different from the one in the PDF and have a vent on either side of
the cowling and not both on the left side as in the PDF photos.
John Davis
Burnsville, NC
601XL - Jab 3300
Craig Payne wrote:
>
> The one with two hose connections is for your cabin heat. One side
> draws from a NACA vent so that your heated cabin heat comes from fresh
> air. The other side goes to the cabin heat selector box. The NACA vent
> provides the pressure to push the air through to the cabin. To keep
> the hose runs short make sure you mount the selector box on the
> firewall on the opposite side of the plane from the NACA vent. Look
> here for some guidance on the installation:
>
> http://www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf_files/Cabin%20Heat.pdf
>
> The other tray with the single hose connection is for carb heat. It
> simple draws air from inside of the cowl. It doesn't need pressure as
> the engine sucks air in.
>
> Now for the (possible) bad news: the size of the inlet or outlet on
> the cabin heat tray may not match what the other end of the hose goes
> to. If your FWF kit came from Jabiru USA in TN then they shipped some
> where one end or the other doesn't match the part at the other end of
> the hose. I can't remember if it is the selector box or the NACA vent.
> If the cabin heat selector box and NACA vent are both 2 inch then
> Jabiru USA will swap your tray for one that has 2 inch fittings at
> both ends. Call Dana and tell her what you have.
>
> -- Craig
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Nixon
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2007 1:51 PM
> *To:* zenith-list-digest@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Cabin Heat and Carburetor Heat Box Heat System
>
>
>
> I am trying to finish up the exhaust kit to supply heat to the cabin
> and carb boxes.
>
> Unfortunately, the Jabiru Install manual is a little light in this
> area. I have one tray with two outlets (1-2" & 1- 2 1/2") that is to
> be mounted to the muffler and another piece, similar in appearance
> with just a single outlet on it. How do these get mounted? I figured
> that there would have to some forced air from the NACAs but for the
> life of me I can't get it worked out. Any one have any pictures of
> this part of the install? I could find noth ing in the manuals. Can
> some one lead me there?
>
> Thanks, Dave Nixon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith & Can-Zac Aviation Clothing and Logo Wear |
Whwn is zenith going to set a shop up in the USA ? Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith & Can-Zac Aviation Clothing and Logo Wear
Hi Guys, I am just writing a note to say Thanks to all who have
ordered from the Promo Store and to let the rest of you know that the
Christmas cutoff is fast approaching. This is your last weekend to have
your Logo Wear under the tree!
Some of you have not visited the shop yet or shown your family what
you want for Christmas.
This shop was setup after almost a year and a half of ongoing work to
fulfill the requests of the builders who came to me every year asking
for an expanded clothing line. So far in 3 weeks the website counter has
seen 145 visits, I have had far more requests for the store then that
and if we factor in the curious viewer then I really would have expected
more. Please have a visit over the weekend. Look at the product, even if
you do not wish to have a shirt or jacket with your call letters under
the Zenith Logo, how about a shop mug, or the new Sandwich Bill Hat!
Alternatively, just have a visit and let me know what you think!
Monday Dec 10th is Cut off Date to have your order under the Christmas
Tree. We are shipping by Express Post now for cost savings over courier,
but time is a factor!!
Visit the Zenith Wear Shop now
Visit the Can-Zac Aviation Logo wear shop.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
12/6/2007 11:15 PM
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| Subject: | Re: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna" |
yep ! that 's it ... buy cheap , China ! sell high USA ... same old
story Buy cheap, Czech Republic ! sell high USA... The only way you can
inprove those odd is ... to buy Cheap, China ,ship to Canada And then
....sell to people in the USA ! Think ..! about it China, can't even
make safe toys. We should buy airplanes from them ? Mabye we should see if
we could get them to make us a bach of parachutes and life jackets with our
N number on them., they would be cheap,That is if you have them shipped
direct to USA,and not to Canada first.... Think about it while you're poping
those rivets Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Tremblay" <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna"
> <cj.tremblay@videotron.ca>
>
> I agree with you. But Chinese peoples, in China, have a chance to became
> the
> big future market for this plane. Do we will see what happens with cars ?
>
>
> Christian Tremblay
> A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
> http://www.zodiac640.com/
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
> LarryMcFarland
> Envoy : Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:49 PM
> : ehotline@eaa.org; zenith-list
> Objet : Zenith-List: On the Skycatcher by "Cessna"
>
>
> Good evening gentlemen,
> I'd have thought that Cessna had better marketing sense than to allow
> China to become the manufacturing base for an aircraft that would be
> sold back to America.
>
> Most of the people of "our generation" that can afford the plane,
> wouldn't buy any aircraft from
> China on basic moral principals, regardless of price. No more than we'd
> tolerate buying an automobile
> from China regardless of the American sounding nameplate on the front.
>
> Any other friendly country would have been fine, like England, Japan,
> Poland, Czechoslovakia or Belgium.
>
> *Never from China! *Cessna can keep their plane. I wouldn't devalue my
> country's financial base that way!
>
> Larry McFarland
> EAA 9008455
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Larry, you are 100% correct....Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
>
> Good LSA aircraft and components are built in other countries and I have
> no problem
> with that. I watched the machine tool industry and the materials base
> go overseas years ago
> but the aggressive position that China's leaders are taking puts this
> country in jeopardy.
> I'd predict this will bottom out in less than 5 years when the dollar is
> busted and
> China decides to take over all large business assets in this country.
> Our special interest
> leaderships, like Cessna, Chrysler etc, seem to be preparing for this as
> an inevitability
> and it's happening much faster than anyone seems aware.
>
> Larry
> do not archive
>
> Afterfxllc@aol.com wrote:
>> My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water
>> coolers are made in China to the American specs but about every 6
>> months they have to find out why the water cooler has a bad odor or
>> bad tasting water. And it is always that China has changed a part or
>> gasket or o-ring that no one asked them to Now we see the paint issue.
>> I think most of the China made things in my house won't kill me but I
>> wouldn't want to trust China to use the proper materials in building
>> my airplane because they have proven they just do what they want
>> with our things. So go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from
>> China but don't whine when you find out that the parts that were
>> supposed to go in them weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will
>> apologize to China just like Mattel did.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> hart701@charter.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>> Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead
>> paint??.....c'mon!
>> Rich H
>>
>> "it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
>> ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering
>> requested
>> by North American p; sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find
>> you for -Matt Dralle, List he es y -->
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS =====================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
How about the phoney drug there flooding the market with,they look
just like the one's made in this country, except they's been killing
people. The bad part of the story is they were bought by american drug
sales men and sliped in to the supply with the real ones....Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: nyterminat@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
A friend of mine works for a testing lab much like UL, he has gone to
China to investigate why products failed after getting their testing
approval. Well it turns out that things that were made in China for the
US were being copied by the Chinese and sold as the tested product with
forged labels. When they tried to locate the factory that was making the
knock off items they were either closed or making some other product.
They use factories like a shell game where they will move a whole
assembly line to another factory location just to avoid detection. This
seems to be a standard game to them and their government is so corrupt
that they will not enforce anything because a lot of them are being paid
off. I know an acquaintance in China who is a US citizen that constantly
gets frustrated by their lying just to save face mentality. It is part
of the culture and I doubt that it will change because they are
building an airplane.
Bob
My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the
water coolers are made in China to the American specs but about every 6
months they have to find out why the water cooler has a bad odor or bad
tasting water. And it is always that China has changed a part or gasket
or o-ring that no one asked them to Now we see the paint issue. I think
most of the China made things in my house won't kill me but I wouldn't
want to trust China to use the proper materials in building my airplane
because they have proven they just do what they want with our things. So
go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from China but don't whine
when you find out that the parts that were supposed to go in them
weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will apologize to China just like
Mattel did.
Jeff
In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hart701@charter.net writes:
Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead
paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the
le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering
requested
by North American p; sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find
you for -Matt Dralle, List he es y -->
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
=====================
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hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
-----Original Message-----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 7:09 am
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
My father works in the Lab at General Electric and a lot of the water
coolers are made in China to the American specs but about every 6 months
they have to find out why the water cooler has a bad odor or bad tasting
water. And it is always that China has changed a part or gasket or
o-ring that no one asked them to Now we see the paint issue. I think
most of the China made things in my house won't kill me but I wouldn't
want to trust China to use the proper materials in building my airplane
because they have proven they just do what they want with our things. So
go ahead and order your nice new airplanes from China but don't whine
when you find out that the parts that were supposed to go in them
weren't used, and then I guess Cessna will apologize to China just like
Mattel did.
Jeff
In a message dated 12/7/2007 6:44:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hart701@charter.net writes:
Ron,
Are you saying that the North American Companies specified lead
paint??.....c'mon!
Rich H
"it had been discovered that many of the products (especially the le
ad paint on toys) were produced by specifications and engineering
requested
by North American p; sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find
you for -Matt Dralle, List he es y -->
- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
=====================
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
I say BUY AMERICAN or BY AMERICA>>>>> Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: baileys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Good point, not to mention the overzealous inspectors from EEOC, OSHA,
Natural Resources, labor relations board, etc.etc. I spent most of my
adult life in Mfg. and you do not want to offend any of these guys. The
are litigious, hostile, nit pickers who think you are the lowest form of
life. Of course both management and the labor unions share the blame
too.
BTW I have several HF tools and I would much prefer American Made, but
it is almost non-exsistent.
Even American name brands come from China.
Bob B.
Do not archive
I wish that everyone who is concerned with China was as concerned
about OUR
Governments (Fed, State, Local) regulation and tax systems driving
business
away. With nearly 50% of our population employed by a Government of
some
sort, China or not, we're heading for trouble.
Request for clarification.
If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell
to? Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight?
Rivet
guns come to mind?
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| Subject: | Re: China products |
Randy,I am as guilty as every one when it comes to Harbor Freight ,I
going to clean all that crap out of my tool box tomorrow.....Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Do not archive
Craftsman tools WERE made by the conglomerate; Danaher Corp which
still owns/makes the following brands:
Allen
Armstrong Tools
GearWrench
Holo-Krome
Iseli
K-D Tools
Matco Tools
Sata
Spline Gauges
They also own Jacobs Chucks.
Craftsman is now missing from their list, I'm sure you are right about
where they are now made.
http://www.danaher.com/business/strategic_detail.asp?key=12
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Randy, You are right, I believe all the Craftsman tools are now made
in China too.
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If China owns everything and busts the dollar, who will they sell to?
Who
will be able to buy anything?
And, does anyone on this list list own a tool from Harbor Freight?
Rivet
guns come to mind?
Best Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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You're not guilty of anything Joe and keep your HF tools. The point is
that you can't make a big point of swearing off Chinese tools and A/C
parts while all the shoes your family wears, half your car parts, the
Christmas lights decorating your home & tree, and a lot (not all) of the
stuff sold at Wal-Mart and Kmart also comes from China.
We all need to brush up on economics. Go to economist
www.walterewilliams.com and read everything on his site. If Harbor
Freight's China foundry wants to cast a 55 lb. anvil out of mined cast
iron, take a machining cut across the top, package it and ship it
halfway around the world to sell to us for $24.95 on sale, it allows all
of us to have a anvil in our shop.
The pendulum is actually swinging back our way. Price pressure is
starting to affect Chinese products. For example; the Chinese produced
a drill bit for one dollar three years ago when their workers made 33
cents a hour. Now high speed steel has doubled in price and although
still cheap, their labor now costs 66 cents per hour. Yet they have
trained the world to pay only one dollar for this drill bit. The price
pressure causes them to try to hold that price so they try to cut
everywhere else from materials to process with the result being quality
suffers. Now the product that was of marginal quality is now unusable
so if they fail every time you quit buying.
I have noticed this on industrial products. So for many items, I have
quite buying imports and have started buying "made in USA" again.
Importing from China only pays if you are making a commodity type item
in huge quantities, month after month, shipment after shipment. If you
need a small variation from the norm, they aren't interested.
Have the Chinese jumped in and started making Jabiru engines?
I buy from HF all the time, but am very selective as to what I buy.
Some items are pure junk, some are usable for very light duty, some
actually work very well. A lot of their tools are good for very
infrequent use. In the long run, they don't hold up.
HF sockets have worked well for me. Their wrenches are clumsy clubs.
Their electric tools usually don't hold up and aren't that much cheaper
than the major brands at Home Depot. Buy a set of their tru-arc ring
pliers and the points may snap off with their first use. I bought a
gear puller set and with the first use, I pulled the threads out of the
center, no heat treatment I guess? I bought a auto-darkening welding
helmet from them that works fine. Their air tools are competitive with
other imports.
The whole picture is very complex and the above is a very quick overview
of just a few aspects of the subject.
Regards and Apologies,
Randy, Las Vegas
P.S.: Wal-Mart sells a line of spray paint for $ .99 each. Made in
USA! It includes: A metal can, a lithographed label, a plastic nozzle,
a plastic cap, the paint, the propellant and a rattle ball along with
American effort to put it all together. How can this be?
----- Original Message -----
From: Southern Reflections
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
Randy,I am as guilty as every one when it comes to Harbor Freight ,I
going to clean all that crap out of my tool box tomorrow.....Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products
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Craftsman tools WERE made by the conglomerate; Danaher Corp which
still owns/makes the following brands:
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