---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/08/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - RE : Re: China products (Jean-Paul Roy) 2. 08:10 AM - RE : Re: China products (dfmoeller) 3. 10:34 AM - Anyone with a 701 Southern Cal (R.D.(Ron) Leclerc) 4. 11:04 AM - Homebuilt Help DVD (Art Olechowski) 5. 12:11 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD () 6. 12:17 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD (Edward Moody II) 7. 12:17 PM - Drills and Drill press recommendations (grarad) 8. 02:52 PM - Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell (N732JH) 9. 03:18 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD (Ron Lalonde) 10. 03:50 PM - 912S Ring Mount Warning (N732JH) 11. 04:47 PM - Re: 912S Ring Mount Warning (n801bh@netzero.com) 12. 05:08 PM - Re: 912S Ring Mount Warning (Craig Payne) 13. 05:13 PM - Zenith has contracted to build planes in China as well (Brett Hanley) 14. 05:31 PM - Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell (ruruny@aol.com) 15. 05:41 PM - Re: 912S Ring Mount Warning (raymondj) 16. 05:41 PM - Re: Drills and Drill press recommendations (Jeff) 17. 06:29 PM - Re: Drills and Drill press recommendations (PatrickW) 18. 06:34 PM - Need some 601xl numbers (Afterfxllc@aol.com) 19. 07:06 PM - 601 steering slot cure (dingfelder) 20. 08:31 PM - Re: 912S Ring Mount Warning (N732JH) 21. 10:22 PM - Re: Zenith has contracted to build planes in China as well (Southern Reflections) 22. 10:26 PM - Re: Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell (Southern Reflections) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:27 AM PST US From: Jean-Paul Roy Subject: RE : Re: Zenith-List: China products No need for apologies Randy. What goes around, usually comes around. Reminds me of a time when almost everybody in America wanted to bannish all of Japanese products. Let's carry on with Zenith discussion! No room for bigotry here ! do not archive "Randy L. Thwing" a crit : Do not archive You're not guilty of anything Joe and keep your HF tools. The point is that you can't make a big point of swearing off Chinese tools and A/C parts while all the shoes your family wears, half your car parts, the Christmas lights decorating your home & tree, and a lot (not all) of the stuff sold at Wal-Mart and Kmart also comes from China. We all need to brush up on economics. Go to economist www.walterewilliams.com and read everything on his site. If Harbor Freight's China foundry wants to cast a 55 lb. anvil out of mined cast iron, take a machining cut across the top, package it and ship it halfway around the world to sell to us for $24.95 on sale, it allows all of us to have a anvil in our shop. The pendulum is actually swinging back our way. Price pressure is starting to affect Chinese products. For example; the Chinese produced a drill bit for one dollar three years ago when their workers made 33 cents a hour. Now high speed steel has doubled in price and although still cheap, their labor now costs 66 cents per hour. Yet they have trained the world to pay only one dollar for this drill bit. The price pressure causes them to try to hold that price so they try to cut everywhere else from materials to process with the result being quality suffers. Now the product that was of marginal quality is now unusable so if they fail every time you quit buying. I have noticed this on industrial products. So for many items, I have quite buying imports and have started buying "made in USA" again. Importing from China only pays if you are making a commodity type item in huge quantities, month after month, shipment after shipment. If you need a small variation from the norm, they aren't interested. Have the Chinese jumped in and started making Jabiru engines? I buy from HF all the time, but am very selective as to what I buy. Some items are pure junk, some are usable for very light duty, some actually work very well. A lot of their tools are good for very infrequent use. In the long run, they don't hold up. HF sockets have worked well for me. Their wrenches are clumsy clubs. Their electric tools usually don't hold up and aren't that much cheaper than the major brands at Home Depot. Buy a set of their tru-arc ring pliers and the points may snap off with their first use. I bought a gear puller set and with the first use, I pulled the threads out of the center, no heat treatment I guess? I bought a auto-darkening welding helmet from them that works fine. Their air tools are competitive with other imports. The whole picture is very complex and the above is a very quick overview of just a few aspects of the subject. Regards and Apologies, Randy, Las Vegas P.S.: Wal-Mart sells a line of spray paint for $ .99 each. Made in USA! It includes: A metal can, a lithographed label, a plastic nozzle, a plastic cap, the paint, the propellant and a rattle ball along with American effort to put it all together. How can this be? ----- Original Message ----- From: Southern Reflections To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products Randy,I am as guilty as every one when it comes to Harbor Freight ,I going to clean all that crap out of my tool box tomorrow.....Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy L. Thwing To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: China products Do not archive Craftsman tools WERE made by the conglomerate; Danaher Corp which still owns/makes the following brands: Jean-Paul Roy royjp@yahoo.ca Tl: (819)949-2216 Cell:(819)629-9360 --------------------------------- Dcouvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qubec Avatars ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: RE : Re: China products From: "dfmoeller" On the contrary! Up until the suggestion below that somehow, an (up to this point, above board) discussion of the relative merits of an import based economy is somehow bigoted, this was a very relevant discussion, especially in the context that it started - Cessna's decision to build the 162 in china. The only bigotry involved is that I (and most everyone here) would rather see the other guys unemployed than ourselves. If anyone doesn't see how relevant my continued employment and prosperity within the overall US economy is to my ability to own and operate a Zenith aircraft, I just can't help you there. I think this discussion should be REQUIRED on EVERY message board, not suppressed! If the self-appointed list moderators don't like it; then don't read it. Or would you rather beat varieties of scotch-brite to death again? Doug [quote="royjp(at)yahoo.ca"]No need for apologies Randy. What goes around, usually comes around. Reminds me of a time when almost everybody in America wanted to bannish all of Japanese products. Let's carry on with Zenith discussion! No room for bigotry here ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151172#151172 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:08 AM PST US From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" Subject: Zenith-List: Anyone with a 701 Southern Cal Is there anyone in Southern California(LA) with a flying 701. I will be in Anaheim from Dec 17 to Dec 31 and it would be nice to see a real live 701 up close... R.D.(Ron) Leclerc CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699 Porsche Power Belted Redrive Winnipeg, MB Canada infow@mts.net 12/8/2007 12:25:11 PM *************************************** This E-Mail scanned with AVG Anti-Virus Ver: 7.5! *************************************** ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:30 AM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD All, Just wanted to go on record and say that the "Scratch Building Basics For Metal Aircraft" Homebuilt Help DVD is awesome. Mark and David from CAN-ZAC do an outstanding job of getting you started. The tips that you learn in the 2 DVD set are invaluable to the journey ahead. I would recommend anyone with hesitation of where to begin to order this DVD, the $39 is well worth it. No doubt I will be purchasing others in the future. Hats off to Homebuilt Help for producing such a great resource for home builders. Art Olechowski 701 Rudder/Scratch building the Remainder ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:49 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD I have to agree with you Art, all their DVD's are very well put together and very very helpful and worth the money. David Mikesell skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Olechowski" Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD > > > All, > Just wanted to go on record and say that the "Scratch Building Basics For > Metal Aircraft" > Homebuilt Help DVD is awesome. Mark and David from CAN-ZAC do an > outstanding job of getting you > started. The tips that you learn in the 2 DVD set are invaluable to the > journey ahead. I would > recommend anyone with hesitation of where to begin to order this DVD, the > $39 is well worth it. > No doubt I will be purchasing others in the future. Hats off to Homebuilt > Help for producing such > a great resource for home builders. > > > Art Olechowski > 701 Rudder/Scratch building the Remainder > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:43 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD To take it a step further, all of Jon's videos from his Homebuilt Help site are worthwhile and helpful to any builder who doesn't already "know it all". That means that the vast majority of us should be his customers. I have three of his videos and no regrets at all. Nice guy and great products. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Olechowski To: Zenith Matornics list ; feedback@homebuilthelp.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD All, Just wanted to go on record and say that the "Scratch Building Basics For Metal Aircraft" Homebuilt Help DVD is awesome. Mark and David from CAN-ZAC do an outstanding job of getting you started. The tips that you learn in the 2 DVD set are invaluable to the journey ahead. I would recommend anyone with hesitation of where to begin to order this DVD, the $39 is well worth it. No doubt I will be purchasing others in the future. Hats off to Homebuilt Help for producing such a great resource for home builders. Art Olechowski 701 Rudder/Scratch building the Remainder -- 12/7/2007 1:11 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Drills and Drill press recommendations From: "grarad" Greetings to all; Before beginning the construction of the 601 XL horizontal stabilizer kit, I would like to seek your suggestions for drills, and a Drill press. According to the Heintz collage, Drills should provide 2500 + RPM. Is the use of a 2500 RPM drill important to perform proper / clean drilling on the majority of Zodiac parts? Would a 1500 RPM cordless drill be least desired? 3/8" or 1/4" ? Electric, cordless, or pneumatic ? Standard Chuck or Keyless, ? Sioux, Taylor, Harbor Freight, Central ? For a bench Drill press, is the Sears 10" adequate for the majority of the 601 XL build? Many thanks in advance, Gary -------- 601 XL / Rudder / Horz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151199#151199 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell From: "N732JH" I've been doing checkout with a used riding lawnmower battery, and now it's time to select one for flight. I'm ok with a heavier batteries--would help to balance out my weight :o ZAC supplied a battery case with my kit that could hold a auto battery. I have found batts in the 33Ah range for $70 to $90. I would like to use a sealed battery. Any thoughts on AGM or Gell? I'm leaning towards the AGM, because the Gell has charging issues. Thanks, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151209#151209 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:59 PM PST US From: Ron Lalonde Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD A must see for anyone starting out building a 701 or 601 project. My wife especially likes "sock puppet" LOL Ron Lalonde 601XL Nova Scotia, Canada > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:56:17 -0800> From: ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> Subj ect: Zenith-List: Homebuilt Help DVD> To: zenith-list@matronics.com; feedba ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>> > All,> Just wanted to go on record and say that the "Scratch Building Basics For Metal Aircraft"> Homebuilt Help DVD is awe some. Mark and David from CAN-ZAC do an outstanding job of getting you> sta rted. The tips that you learn in the 2 DVD set are invaluable to the journe y ahead. I would> recommend anyone with hesitation of where to begin to ord er this DVD, the $39 is well worth it. > No doubt I will be purchasing othe rs in the future. Hats off to Homebuilt Help for producing such> a great re source for home builders.> > > Art Olechowski> 701 Rudder/Scratch building =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Discover new ways to stay in touch with Windows Live! Visit the City @ Live today! http://getyourliveid.ca/?icid=LIVEIDENCA006 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 912S Ring Mount Warning From: "N732JH" I'm building a 701 with the Rotax 912S Kit obtained from ZAC. I first had a problem with the ring; one of the bolts holes needed to be reamed out. I also noticed that the "forth" mount wasn't centered (with three engine mounts installed, the last one couldn't be installed). I called ZAC and they said to install the ring to the engine mount first, and then install the engine mount to the firewall. This did work and I have been continuing assembly. Today I was fitting the formed cowl and it was looking strange. The engine looked out of line. I measured the distance from firewall to ring mount attachment points and one of the top mounts was 14mm less than the others. The engine mount was manufactured by ZAC. I broke out my 'dusty' calculator, and determined that this 14mm would create a 53mm translation at the nose cone! (tan a = opp/adj) A little more calculating and determined a thick washer at the mount ie 2mm, would cause a 7.5mm translation at the nose cone. I guess the bottom line is check your firewall to mount distance; if they're not all the same, the difference is amplified. I'll be calling ZAC Monday morning. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151215#151215 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:11 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912S Ring Mount Warning Jeff. on most planes the mount locates the motor in a slightly cocked an gle.Almost always it has the prop/spinner pointed down about 2-3 degrees . On Lyc's, Jabiru's and other clockwise turning engines the prop is aim ed to the right as seen from the pilots seat. This offsets the P factor. I believe the Rotax rotates the opposite way so the prop might me aimed to the left. Either way the top tubes of the mount should be longer the n the bottom ones. On average rotating motors the the pilot side tubes s hould be longer then the other side, The engine will sit in the front o f the plane at an angle but the prop flange should end up at the specifi ed centerline of the plane. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "N732JH" wrote: > I'm building a 701 with the Rotax 912S Kit obtained from ZAC. I first h ad a problem with the ring; one of the bolts holes needed to be reamed o ut. I also noticed that the "forth" mount wasn't centered (with three e ngine mounts installed, the last one couldn't be installed). I called Z AC and they said to install the ring to the engine mount first, and then install the engine mount to the firewall. This did work and I have been continuing assembly. Today I was fitting the formed cowl and it was looking strange. The engine looked out of li ne. I measured the distance from firewall to ring mount attachment points an d one of the top mounts was 14mm less than the others. The engine mount was manufactured by ZAC. I broke out my 'dusty' calculator, and determ ined that this 14mm would create a 53mm translation at the nose cone! (t an a = opp/adj) A little more calculating and determined a thick washer at the mount ie 2mm, would cause a 7.5mm translation at the nose cone. I guess the bott om line is check your firewall to mount distance; if they're not all the same, the difference is amplified. I'll be calling ZAC Monday morning. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151215#151215 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== _____________________________________________________________ Physical Therapy Certification Training - Save online. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vHJQBA2ZxmkHutiFZL Q9Kqpb7Abq41b7PSsuQ52trDAuzxw/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 912S Ring Mount Warning The plans for the old Rotax 912S bed mount show a left/right offset of 3 degrees (6-E-3, 4/2004). I don't see any top/bottom offset. -- Craig ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:32 PM PST US From: Brett Hanley Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith has contracted to build planes in China as well I was recently transferred to China. The scope of what is going on over here is incredible. This has never been seen on this planet. The only thing that comes close to it is the industrial revolution of the western world over one hundred years ago. My neighbors here in the industrial park include some pretty high fliers like Airbus. I was doing some research looking for experimental aviation here. Rumors say it exists on an unofficial level. however I cannot find it. In my research I turned up an article that Zenith Aircraft had signed and agreement to produce one of the Zodiac models here. The target market was Argentina and other South American countries. I am not sure however if the planes where ever built or not. I just wish there had been more anti Chinese product sentiment in the marketplace thirty years ago. Too late now guys. The Gennie is out of the bottle and prepping to kick our tails. Brett Tianjin, China ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:31:25 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell From: ruruny@aol.com Jeff, I went with this battery and made my own battery tray. I got the fiberglass battery box?with my kit. Scroll down a few pics to see battery. Brian Long Island, NY http://www.701builder.com/electrical14.htm ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912S Ring Mount Warning Ben, Can you recommend any references for calculating the left/right and up/down thrust line angles for a particular airframe? I am designing my own airframe and want to center the vertical stab so I can use engines rotating either way. I plan to use thrustline alignment to minimize P-factor. I believe the prop affects the P-factor also. Any leads on either of these topics would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 912S Ring Mount Warning Jeff. on most planes the mount locates the motor in a slightly cocked angle.Almost always it has the prop/spinner pointed down about 2-3 degrees. On Lyc's, Jabiru's and other clockwise turning engines the prop is aimed to the right as seen from the pilots seat. This offsets the P factor. I believe the Rotax rotates the opposite way so the prop might me aimed to the left. Either way the top tubes of the mount should be longer then the bottom ones. On average rotating motors the the pilot side tubes should be longer then the other side, The engine will sit in the front of the plane at an angle but the prop flange should end up at the specified centerline of the plane. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "N732JH" wrote: I'm building a 701 with the Rotax 912S Kit obtained from ZAC. I first had a problem with the ring; one of the bolts holes needed to be reamed out. I also noticed that the "forth" mount wasn't centered (with three engine mounts installed, the last one couldn't be installed). I called ZAC and they said to install the ring to the engine mount first, and then install the engine mount to the firewall. This did work and I have been continuing assembly. Today I was fitting the formed cowl and it was looking strange. The engine looked out of line. I measured the distance from firewall to ring mount attachment points and one of the top mounts was 14mm less than the others. The engine mount was manufactured by ZAC. I broke out my 'dusty' calculator, and determined that this 14mm would create a 53mm translation at the nose cone! (tan a = opp/adj) A little more calculating and determined a thick washer at the mount ie 2mm, would cause a 7.5mm translation at the nose cone. I guess the bottom line is check your firewall to mount distance; if they're not all the same, the difference is amplified. I'll be calling ZAC Monday morning. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151215#151215 _======================== == _____________________________________________________________ Physical Therapy Certification Training - Save online. Click now. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:36 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Drills and Drill press recommendations Gary, First, I'd recommend going with the RPM ZAC specifies. Having said that, I used a 4500 RPM corded drill for the first several parts I built back in the early 1990s. I later switched to two 2500 RPM drills, one corded and one not. For practical purposes the RPM didn't seem to make any difference. Others may have their preferences, but manufacturer brand name seems to make no real difference either in my experience. Triangular shaped holes were a bigger concern. These, in general, can be avoided by drilling pilot holes and then drilling to size. For rivet holes, the rivet will fill up some of the odd shape. For bolts, the hole should be more exact. A drill press and fixture to hold the parts are needed, particularly for bolt holes. Reaming the bolt hole after drilling became my standard practice. Remember that the reamer makes the hole just slightly oversize. Not so much reaming for rivet holes. A standard household drill of 600-800 RPM did provide some very unacceptable results, so high speed is what to use. To me, corded versus cordless is a matter of convenience. Not having to charge the battery was good for me as long as I was working in an edifice with electrical power. In the shed, I had to use cordless. My 2500 RPM drill has a keyless chuck. It has been fine even though I didn't have confidence in it at first. It certainly is faster changing bits. I haven't used any air tools so I can't comment on them. There is more on this in the archives and on Mark's 601 web site. In the HD kit, there are some holes bigger that 1/4 inch, so the chuck size selected may impact the drills you can use. Several drill attachments are recommended by me: a 90 degree angle attachment, reamers for common bolts sizes (3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, etc.) and an assortment of Unibit (stepped) drill bits. Jeff Davidson CH601-HD w/Jabiru 3300 90 percent done According to the Heintz collage, Drills should provide 2500 + RPM. Is the use of a 2500 RPM drill important to perform proper / clean drilling on the majority of Zodiac parts? Would a 1500 RPM cordless drill be least desired? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drills and Drill press recommendations From: "PatrickW" grarad wrote: > I would like to seek your suggestions for drills, and a Drill press. I bought the Sioux air drill, and a good air compressor. The price seemed steep at first, but I have never regretted buying them. I'm 100% sold on air tools now, and wish I'd have gone that route years ago. Of course you are limited to the length of your air hose, but air hose is not expensive. The Sioux drill has a variable speed. Most of my drilling is at a fairly slow speed, but for the times that I want to drill at a high speed I am able to do so. You'll catch on pretty quick and be able to tell what speed works for the particular situation at hand. And you'll come to appreciate the light weight of the Sioux drill after drilling several hundred holes in an evening... I also have a cordless drill with two battery packs. If you do serious drilling, your battery packs and charger will not be able to keep up with you. Cordless drills are handy for use as powered screwdrivers to take those big wood crates apart. The Sears 10" drill press is probably better than the one I have now. Other handy tools that I have used on my 601 project are a vise, a bench grinder, and infrequently a band saw. I have found a dremel tool and an air grinder to be very useful tools as well. Also a Sears laser level. My advice when it comes to tools is to buy the best quality that you can afford. I have never regretted buying quality, but I have regretted buying junk (and then having to spend more buying what I should have bought in the first place). Patrick XL/band saw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151232#151232 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:02 PM PST US From: Afterfxllc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Need some 601xl numbers Hey guys, I am looking for some real life numbers on the 601xl Corvair powered planes out there. The reason I need this is because the 601 I build last year is hitting Cruise speeds of 135 to 138 MPH at 75 to 80 % and full throttle speeds in excess of 140 The plane weighed 850 Lbs before paint and not sure of it's weight now after being painted. it has the 110 Hp corvair and nothing special has been done to it so if anyone would like to share their information and let me know if this is normal or what your numbers are I would appreciate it. Jeff **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:27 PM PST US From: "dingfelder" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 steering slot cure List Addicts, Not an original idea, but this is my version of the slot cure. The rods are covered with a 2 1/2" length of vinyl tubing to smooth the threads. The holes are slightly oversize to prevent binding. The outer piece is shimmed, and then bowed in just enough to keep the slider from rattling. The slider is allowed plenty of lateral clearance so it can move as needed. No cost, very little weight, about 2 hours from beard stroking time to completion, and not made in China. Lynn Dingfelder 601XL Corry, PA ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:59 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 912S Ring Mount Warning From: "N732JH" Thanks for the reply! I didn't notice the 3deg right deflection on my 7-E-2 drawing. I do have a 3.5deg deflection that a 2mm washer between the right upper engine mount/ring will reduce to 3.1deg--perhaps a thrust washer or two will get this perfect. >From the pilots point of view, from the firewall to the right ring is 266, and the left is 280mm. If I reduce this 14mm difference to 11.5 then: tan(x)=11.5/220... x=2.99deg (220mm between mounting points). I hope it's ok to add washers between the mount and ring. Thanks again, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151247#151247 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:37 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith has contracted to build planes in China as well It's been out for quite some time. How about the plane that they built for RevMaster, it was designed by a aero collage or state U. .It comes in it's own steel shiping crate for when it is shipped over and RevMaster uses it to store it, or ship it to there buyer .It's composit,and is a canard wing. sells for about $40,000 dollars ,It's ready to go ,just bolt it up and fly,go to there web site and you can see it,,,,It's Yellow .Rots of Ruck... Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Hanley To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith has contracted to build planes in China as well I was recently transferred to China. The scope of what is going on over here is incredible. This has never been seen on this planet. The only thing that comes close to it is the industrial revolution of the western world over one hundred years ago. My neighbors here in the industrial park include some pretty high fliers like Airbus. I was doing some research looking for experimental aviation here. Rumors say it exists on an unofficial level. however I cannot find it. In my research I turned up an article that Zenith Aircraft had signed and agreement to produce one of the Zodiac models here. The target market was Argentina and other South American countries. I am not sure however if the planes where ever built or not. I just wish there had been more anti Chinese product sentiment in the marketplace thirty years ago. Too late now guys. The Gennie is out of the bottle and prepping to kick our tails. Brett Tianjin, China ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:42 PM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell That thing is big enough to be in a golf cart,you did a great job on the tray....Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: ruruny@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell Jeff, I went with this battery and made my own battery tray. I got the fiberglass battery box with my kit. Scroll down a few pics to see battery. 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