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     1. 12:24 AM - Ordered my engine today. (mosquito56)
     2. 04:12 AM - Re: Ordered my engine today. (kmccune)
     3. 04:19 AM - Re: Drill bits - recommendations (kmccune)
     4. 06:17 AM - Re: Re:First time builder, need some advice:) (Juan Vega)
     5. 10:14 AM - Re: Ordered my engine today. (Iberplanes)
     6. 11:15 AM - Seats for CH 701 (Greg Alonso)
     7. 11:44 AM - Re: Seats for CH 701 (Martin Pohl)
     8. 11:44 AM - Remove from list (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
     9. 11:47 AM - Re: Seats for CH 701 (Martin Pohl)
    10. 01:35 PM - Holes in smaller ribs (Jugle)
    11. 05:32 PM - Re: Seats for CH 701 (billmileski)
    12. 05:46 PM - Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell (billmileski)
    13. 06:37 PM - Re: Holes in smaller ribs (Christian Tremblay)
    14. 06:37 PM - Check it out (steve)
    15. 06:37 PM - Re: First Hop (Ron Lendon)
    16. 08:45 PM - Re: Holes in smaller ribs (Bryan Ekholm)
    17. 11:30 PM - Re: Ordered my engine today. (mosquito56)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Ordered my engine today. | 
      
      
      Sent out the check for my jab3300 today. Has to be in by Friday to get the price
      before the devaluation kicks in. About 2 months before I was planning but what
      the heck.
        I certainly hope most of the cooling issues have been worked out. Also hope the
      new homebuilt videos cover this area of cooling a little more.
      Don
      
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      Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
        Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
        I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
      in this thing we call life.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Ordered my engine today. | 
      
      
      Good News! Its seems to me that the cooling posts at least have died down. I have
      to admit that the 3300 was my first choice, but for the cost. Maybe if I'd
      let another hobby go.... nope thats not going to happen, so auto conversion for
      me :D
      
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      Kevin
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Drill bits - recommendations | 
      
      
      I'll second (or maybe third or fourth as I didn't count) the split drill bit comments.
      I use to have a side business building custom electrical panels and the
      Split points outlast and out perform the chisel point ones. Plus as stated they
      don't require pre-drilling a pilot hole.
      
      Kevin
      
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      Kevin
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re:First time builder, need some advice:) | 
      
      
      if you go to aero news network, on their video news section, there is a news report
      of a 110 hp Diesel (run on anything) engine.  Looks quite simple to work
      on and within the prices of competition.
      
      Juan
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: MaxNr@aol.com
      >Sent: Dec 11, 2007 1:18 AM
      >To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
      >Subject: Zenith-List: Re:First time builder, need some advice:)
      >
      >Great idea! Avgas could be hard to find on the other side of the world. I 
      >heard that Avgas is now unavailable at Le Borget in Paris. Auto gas may be hard
      
      >to find without alcohol. Vapor lock would be an unpleasant experience crossing
      
      >a mountain range at altitude. I just retired as a pilot for an international 
      >company that flies all over the world. I've got to say that you can find 
      >aviation turbine fuel in every remote corner of the world. The world is awash
      in 
      >kerosene. That points to a Diesel powerplant. They all burn Jet A and oddly, some
      
      >are even approved for Auto Diesel (#2) fuel. A tip; if you find some JP 4, 
      >don't use it in a Diesel. Its a wide cut fuel that is aromatic with some 
      >characteristics of av gas. Use only in turbines. Some engines that meet C.H.'s
      
      >weight/power criteria are: Wilksch in the UK. They have 100, 120 & 160 HP liquid
      
      >cooled models that are flying on customer planes. Diesel Air LTD (also UK) has
      
      >the DAIR 100 flying on a Luscombe. None delivered yet. The US project by Vulcan
      
      >is called the Raptor 105 that is intended to compete head to head with the 
      >Rotax 912. Only a prototype so far. There is also the Centurion by Thielert that
      
      >is at C.H.'s upper limit for weight and power. They won't sell you one unless
      
      >your name is Cessna. Zoche in Germany has been on the verge of flying their 
      >line of radial air cooled Diesels for over 20 years now. There are others being
      
      >delivered to customers that are higher weight and power, like DeltaHawk. If a
      
      >Diesel is available for your first flight, it will likely be the Wilksch. 
      >Models are flying now in Pietenpol, Europa and Thorp T-211. If you do make the
      
      >flight, take spare fuel filters with you and a funnel. Turbine fuel is dispensed
      
      >through big honking nozzles. It weighs 6.8 lbs per US gallon Vs 6 for gas. A 
      >rule of thumb you can do in your head is 15 gal equals about 100 lbs. The 
      >higher density means your tanks now hold 13% more energy. Long range tanks with
      no 
      >modifications to the tanks.
      >
      >Bob    601XL/Lyc  Do not archive
      >
      >
      >**************************************
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      >AOL's top rated recipes 
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| Subject:  | Re: Ordered my engine today. | 
      
      
      good choice !!! whats the delivery schedule you have there? Ive been told that
      we have to wait  4-5 months here in Europe....
      
      Bye!
      
      --------
      Alberto Martin
      601 XL - Jabiru 3300
      www.iberplanes.es
      Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
      
      
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| Subject:  | Seats for CH 701 | 
      
      Has anybody bought seats from Skyshop, Oregon Aero or any other source? 
      Any feedback would be appreciated as I want to purchase my CH701 seats.
      
      Greg Alonso
      N701ZG
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Seats for CH 701 | 
      
      
      Hi Greg
      
      I just got my upholstery from Czech Aircraft Works (my 601-kit was originally provided
      through them). The upholstery is the one that skyshops is selling: Very
      nice quality (I have the leather option) and good workmanship. The side panels
      still need to be done by yourself, the precut-leather with side pocket is included.
      
      Cheers Martin
      CH601XL HB-YNA
      
      --------
      Martin Pohl
      Zodiac XL QBK
      8645 Jona, Switzerland
      www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Remove from list | 
      
      Please remove me from the list.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Seats for CH 701 | 
      
      
      Picture here: http://www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL/07DEZ/07DEZ.html (bottom of page).
      
      
      Cheers Martin
      
      --------
      Martin Pohl
      Zodiac XL QBK
      8645 Jona, Switzerland
      www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
      
      
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| Subject:  | Holes in smaller ribs | 
      
      
      Hi scrapbuilders,
      
      I notice the 601 XL plans don't show tooling holes in the smaller ribs, i.e., 6-T-3
      1, elevator ribs, yet keeping them centred when forming them around blocks
      is tricky. 
      
      I have seen some people drill them, so I assume it's okay. And I know some of you
      have formed the straight edged ones with the bending brake, but my test pieces
      on the triangular shapes have so far turned out uneven too.
      
      Any tips?
      
      Thanks, Glenn
      
      --------
      Glenn Andressen
      601XL- just started.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Seats for CH 701 | 
      
      
      Greg,
      I purchased standard fabric seats, door upholstery, and the bubble doors from skyshop,
      and was happy with the quality and workmanship.
      
      Bill Mileski
      701 912S 114hrs, just installed oil thermostat, and doing annual
      
      
      > Has anybody bought seats from Skyshop, Oregon Aero  or any other source? Any
      feedback would be appreciated as I want to purchase my  CH701 seats.
      >   
      >  Greg Alonso
      >  N701ZG
      >   
      >   
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sealed Batteries -- AGM or Gell | 
      
      
      I spoke to a manufacturer (also can't remember who) when selecting a battery in
      2006.  I remember concluding that AGM (abosorbent glass mat) had little potential
      for leak even if punctured, low resistance, and best performance in the cold.
      I do also remember being warned that they don't hold up too well in a hot
      engine compartment.  Starting to remember also something about avoiding long
      term trickle charging, but not too confident I'm remembering correctly..  Been
      happy with mine (14AH? Geez, can't remember a thing) and it spins over a cold
      912S with the original weak starter, from behind the lower hatch in the rear
      fuse.  Now if only the 912S charging system could actually charge it below cruise
      rpm with the lights and stuff on..
      
      Bill Mileski
      701 912S 114hrs
      
      
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| Subject:  | Holes in smaller ribs | 
      
      
      A photo will help me to understand your problem. 
      
      I dont do any hole in the ribs when I formed it. I press it with C clamp
      and a filing clamp, independently of the size of the ribs. I put C clamp
      somewhere that I dont have to remove it when I formed both side of the
      ribs. 
      
      
      Christian Tremblay
      A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
      http://www.zodiac640.com/
      
      -----Message d'origine-----
      De: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Jugle
      Envoy: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:32 PM
      : zenith-list@matronics.com
      Objet: Zenith-List: Holes in smaller ribs
      
      
      Hi scrapbuilders,
      
      I notice the 601 XL plans don't show tooling holes in the smaller ribs,
      i.e., 6-T-3 1, elevator ribs, yet keeping them centred when forming them
      around blocks is tricky. 
      
      I have seen some people drill them, so I assume it's okay. And I know some
      of you have formed the straight edged ones with the bending brake, but my
      test pieces on the triangular shapes have so far turned out uneven too.
      
      Any tips?
      
      Thanks, Glenn
      
      --------
      Glenn Andressen
      601XL- just started.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151731#151731
      
      
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      eBay:
      
      Zenith 601 XL Parts Experimental Aircraft
      
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      Congratulations Scott, very inspiring, looks cold too.
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
      Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
      http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Holes in smaller ribs | 
      
      
      For all of my smaller formed pieces on my 701 I've drilled #30 tooling holes through
      the forming blocks and piece being formed and then used my old #30 drill
      bits through the holes to keep things aligned.  Clamp it in the bench vise and
      bend the flanges over.
      
      Bryan Ekholm
      
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      Bryan Ekholm
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Ordered my engine today. | 
      
      
      i expected a wait time of 3-4 months. I was told I could have the engine end of
      Dec if needed but better end of Jan. I expect to get the engine end of Jan but
      I am really not ready for it yet.
      Don
      
      --------
      Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
        Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
        I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
      in this thing we call life.
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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