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1. 12:53 AM - Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification! (Harrison-Hutcheson)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: 601 and wing failiers (kmccune)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy (Al Young)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy (Jaybannist@cs.com)
5. 06:40 AM - Steering Rod seal solution (charles.long@allisontransmission.com)
6. 06:42 AM - Re: Canopy seals (LarryMcFarland)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy (LarryMcFarland)
8. 06:58 AM - Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification! (Gig Giacona)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (ashontz)
10. 07:29 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy (robert stone)
11. 07:35 AM - Re: Drill bits - recommendations (ashontz)
12. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: 601 and wing failiers (steve)
13. 07:53 AM - Re: 601XL Canopy ()
14. 08:33 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (Martin Pohl)
15. 08:36 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (Martin Pohl)
16. 08:51 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (Martin Pohl)
17. 08:52 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (ashontz)
18. 08:52 AM - Carbon Monoxide (BobbyPaulk@comcast.net)
19. 09:29 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (Gig Giacona)
20. 09:43 AM - (steve)
21. 09:44 AM - Fatality Reported in new 701 (Roger Nyholm)
22. 09:50 AM - Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (ashontz)
23. 10:41 AM - Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 (kmccune)
24. 10:55 AM - Re: .Attn Matt (n801bh@netzero.com)
25. 10:58 AM - Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 (n801bh@netzero.com)
26. 11:35 AM - Re: 601 and wing failiers (PatrickW)
27. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: 601 and wing failiers ()
28. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Drill bits - recommendations (David Downey)
29. 12:44 PM - Re: Attn. Matt Drale (Carlos Sa)
30. 12:56 PM - Re: No Title (Gig Giacona)
31. 01:19 PM - Fatal 701 Crash (Ron Lalonde)
32. 02:08 PM - 601HD Tires and Landing gear forks (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
33. 02:17 PM - Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
34. 02:22 PM - Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
35. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: No Title (Jaybannist@cs.com)
36. 02:34 PM - Re: Fatal 701 Crash (Jaybannist@cs.com)
37. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: No Title (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
38. 02:53 PM - Re: Fatal 701 Crash (John Marzulli)
39. 03:02 PM - Re: 601HD Tires and Landing gear forks (LarryMcFarland)
40. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (george may)
41. 03:29 PM - Monday Chat Room (George Race)
42. 03:31 PM - Jabiru 2200 Changes? (George Race)
43. 03:42 PM - Landing gear (wade jones)
44. 06:15 PM - Re: Drill bits - recommendations (ashontz)
45. 06:33 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 Changes? ()
46. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? (Bryan Martin)
47. 08:48 PM - Re: .Attn Matt (Matt Dralle)
48. 09:34 PM - Rough engine (Chuck Deiterich)
49. 10:21 PM - Merry Christmas (martyn@flight.co.za)
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| Subject: | Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification! |
Scott,
Congratulations from many and various aspects. Are you going to be
doing your own Phase I flight testing or are you going to have a test
pilot? Interested in determining the differences between Airworthiness
Certificate and Airworthy. Received pink slip in June 2007 and still
going through some minor tweaking and getting near to the point where
the test pilot indicates it is "airworthy at all speeds and flying
conditions". How has your insurance company been cooperating in getting
your E-LSA fully insured.
You might want to keep the mailing list up to date on these various
subsets for finally getting the project off of the ground.
Many thanks and much congratulations.
Sammy J Hutcheson
N6412Z - 912S
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| Subject: | Re: 601 and wing failiers |
Thanks for the answers, thats about what I remembered. I really didn't pay that
much attention because it was not a 701. I was just put back because of the absolute
refusal to even consider the 601.
I hope you know that the Vne for duct tape is only 100mph! :D
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Canopy |
Steve- make a pattern using poster board and cut til you are happy with
the shape. Leave a 1`/4 inch gap on the bttom for the rubber seal and
the use the resulting pattern to cut the aluminum. Good luck. Al Young
XL flying.
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Canopy
For the life of me I cant figure out how to::::
Find where to drill the aluminum trim on the front of the canopy. I
ve drilled the plastic canopy itself and went on thru to the aluminum
tube frame. Thats easy. Now I want to install the aluminum sheet that
covers the front of the tube/plastic.
Hope I m making scense.....
SW
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Steve,
Make yourself a tool like a rivet hole finder. Take a couple of strips (~1" x
6"); drill & cleco one end with two A4 clecoes. Drill a #40 hole in the "free"
end. Take the strips apart. On the strip that will be the bottom, drill out
& place a rivet in the #40 hole, tail down, to form a "nub." The size of this
rivet is determined by the size of the hole you want to find; for instance,
use an A3 rivet for a #30 hole, an A4 rivet for a #20 hole, etc. You may have
to experiment a little to find the proper nub. Rivet the two strips together
at the other end. Slip the device over the aluminum and find the hole with the
nub. You will have a #40 pilot hole in the top strip to drill a pilot hole through,
exactly where the hidden hole is.
If this is not clear, see attached. Hope this helps.
Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
"steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>For the life of me I cant figure out how to::::
>
>Find where to drill the aluminum trim on the front of the canopy. I ve drilled
the plastic canopy itself and went on thru to the aluminum tube frame. Thats
easy. Now I want to install the aluminum sheet that covers the front of the
tube/plastic.
>Hope I m making scense.....
>
>SW
>
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| Subject: | Steering Rod seal solution |
I have a solution for the steering rod sealing which uses a Jeep 4wd dual
rubber boot purchased off of Ebay for about $25. It seals quite well and
matches up nicely with the slots and steering rod travel. Email me direct
if you would like pictures and some fabrication details. Will also try to
post on Matronics enclosure site.
Chuck Long, P.E.
Zodie Rocket HDS
N601LE, 150 hr TT
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy seals |
Hi Matt,
I'd recommend you make the hole access for the latch lock a slot, and
after you paint that surface, put a line across it
to show the position of the latch lock. I've failed to have the canopy
latched twice because I didn't see the position of the latch
lever prior to take off. I don't make that mistake any more.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/latchlockslot.gif
Nice work by the way.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Matt & Jo wrote:
>
> I had trouble with the forward seals on the canopy.
>
> Matt
> www.zodiacxl.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Canopy |
Steve,
If you're careful, you can leave the front flashing apron off the canopy
and just add the rubber trim edging.
I think it looks better that way.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/testruncooling.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> For the life of me I cant figure out how to::::
>
> Find where to drill the aluminum trim on the front of the canopy. I
> ve drilled the plastic canopy itself and went on thru to the aluminum
> tube frame. Thats easy. Now I want to install the aluminum sheet
> that covers the front of the tube/plastic.
> Hope I m making scense.....
>
> SW
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: N601EL receives E-LSA certification! |
Great news Scott!! How long is the phase I flight requirememt?
s_thatcher(at)bellsouth.n wrote:
> It's been a grueling last few weeks in trying to get ready for the DAR Dec
> 15th inspection of N601EL but it's finished and so am I, just about!
>
> I want to thank everyone who has helped me find parts, provide drawings,
> send photos, help out at the hangar, lend support and in general for being
> there. It really does take a lot of collaboration to finish one of these
> things and after four years, I am extremely happy about having the pink slip
> for this aircraft!
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Scott Thatcher
> GraphiTech Computer Systems
> http://www.graphitech.com
> 800-634-8324
>
> Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
> 601XL with Corvair, still 99%complete but with E-LSA certification
> N601EL
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
What's your reasoning for the return lines? The plans don't call for it, but I
was thinking of adding one myself to not burn out the pump with too much pressure.
[quote="gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM"]Martin--
I did not use a check valve on my return line. There is a restricter in the
return line with about a .3mm hole in it so there is not much fuel that flows
through the line. The engine end of the line is also significantly higher that
the termination at the tank. I think when I did my fuel flow tests with just
the electrical pump on the fuel returned through this line was about 13 ounces
George May
601XL 912s 174hours
> Subject: Is check valve in fuel return line needed?
> From: mpohl@pohltec.ch
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:21:42 -0800
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hi folks
>
> Is there a need for a check valve in the fuel return line (vapour lock return
line)? Engine will be the Rotax 912ULS.
>
> Cheers Martin
>
> --------
> Martin Pohl
> Zodiac XL QBK
> 8645 Jona, Switzerland
> www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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> [b]
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Canopy |
All of the aircraft tool supply companies that I know of sell this same tool
in various sizes. Anyone building an aircraft or performing maintenance
should have set.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jaybannist@cs.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Canopy
> Steve,
>
> Make yourself a tool like a rivet hole finder. Take a couple of strips
> (~1" x 6"); drill & cleco one end with two A4 clecoes. Drill a #40 hole
> in the "free" end. Take the strips apart. On the strip that will be the
> bottom, drill out & place a rivet in the #40 hole, tail down, to form a
> "nub." The size of this rivet is determined by the size of the hole you
> want to find; for instance, use an A3 rivet for a #30 hole, an A4 rivet
> for a #20 hole, etc. You may have to experiment a little to find the
> proper nub. Rivet the two strips together at the other end. Slip the
> device over the aluminum and find the hole with the nub. You will have a
> #40 pilot hole in the top strip to drill a pilot hole through, exactly
> where the hidden hole is.
>
> If this is not clear, see attached. Hope this helps.
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>
>
> "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>>For the life of me I cant figure out how to::::
>>
>>Find where to drill the aluminum trim on the front of the canopy. I ve
>>drilled the plastic canopy itself and went on thru to the aluminum tube
>>frame. Thats easy. Now I want to install the aluminum sheet that covers
>>the front of the tube/plastic.
>>Hope I m making scense.....
>>
>>SW
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drill bits - recommendations |
Not exactly related to drill bits, more drilling itself. Has anyone used a dremel
tool for drilling? I tried it on my wing skins and I was very happy with it.
Less weight to hold up there so backstrain is reduced. Also less chance of dropping
a heavy drill on a skin and denting it. In fact I like it so much I'm
going to try the cable extender on the dremel so I'm working with only the little
light tip on the wand. Works very well for pilot holes and of course stepping
up to the next size after a pilot hole doesn't require as much force so the
light drill wand works well for that too. Plus, the dremel makes for a nice
fast drill speed. Just a thought for anyone looking for less of a full body workout
while drilling. It's about as taxing as using a dentist's drill.
do not archive.
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Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601 and wing failiers |
Kevin
Duct tape is good up to 100 MPH thats true. But, If you also use bailing
wire in combanation the Vne goes to 115 MPH..
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 and wing failiers
>
> Thanks for the answers, thats about what I remembered. I really didn't pay
> that much attention because it was not a 701. I was just put back because
> of the absolute refusal to even consider the 601.
>
> I hope you know that the Vne for duct tape is only 100mph! :D
>
> --------
> Kevin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152654#152654
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Canopy |
You should be able to get it done using a strap type hole duplicator. the tough
part is getting that piece of aluminum t conform to the compound curve of that
area of the bubble.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/search.php
Dred
---- steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> For the life of me I cant figure out how to::::
>
> Find where to drill the aluminum trim on the front of the canopy. I ve drilled
the plastic canopy itself and went on thru to the aluminum tube frame. Thats
easy. Now I want to install the aluminum sheet that covers the front of the
tube/plastic.
> Hope I m making scense.....
>
> SW
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
Hi Andy
> What's your reasoning for the return lines?
Vapour lock issues - it is e.g. in UK a mandatory permit directive.
The CZAW plans include the return line. I have a left inner tank with return inlet.
We are using automotive fuel here in Europe (and it is in fact recommended for
the Rotax rather than 100LL) which results in higher vapour lock risk.
Cheers Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
@George: Thank you for your info! The CZAW plans also don't call for a check valve.
And as you said the line is going quite a bit down from the engine to the
tank, so there shouldn't be any backpressure from the tank.
Cheers Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
By the way: here is my "final" fuel system layout, which is apart from the additional
left wing fuel pump and the fuel flow meter the standard CZAW fuel setup.
FuelSystem
Cheers Martin
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Martin Pohl
Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
Good to know, I'll probably install a return line myself. What can it hurt. I know
all of my cars have a return line, probably for good reason too. Is the return
line smaller?
That being the case, I always hear the term vapor lock, in technical terms can
someone explain EXACTLY what it is and where in the fuel system it occurs generally
for everyone's benefit? I know sometimes my old lawnboy mower won't start
after running for awhile and I need to take the air filter off to let it breath
better so I can restart it. I assume this is vapor lock, but I'm not really
sure. I've never had it stop running, but restarting was a major problem before
I replaced the mower due to other problems with the mower being a yardsale
total piece of crap I bought when I was poor years ago and not worth fiddling
with everytime I wanted to mow the lawn.
Martin Pohl wrote:
> Hi Andy
>
> > What's your reasoning for the return lines?
> Vapour lock issues - it is e.g. in UK a mandatory modification (http://www.pfa.org.uk/Data%20Sheets/162B%20ZENAIR%20CH601-XL.pdf).
>
> The CZAW plans include the return line. I have a left inner tank with return
inlet.
>
> We are using automotive fuel here in Europe (and it is in fact recommended for
the Rotax rather than 100LL) which results in higher vapour lock risk.
>
> Cheers Martin
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CH601XL - Corvair
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to all,
thanks for such an great response to the CO problem.
i have since added an automotive exhaust turned down extension (like a 57 Chevy
) temporarily and the CO has disappeared. the stock exhaust pipe was too short.
i am going to order a stainless extension turned down about 45 degrees and
weld it to the existing pipe.
thanks again for all the advice.
bobby
N131BP
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
It there for a different reason in your car. Probably because there is a fuel injection
system in use.
ashontz wrote:
> Good to know, I'll probably install a return line myself. What can it hurt. I
know all of my cars have a return line, probably for good reason too. Is the
return line smaller?
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Hey I paid buckeroos to join this list and it still says that I can not
"reply" to the posts...
How come Matt ?
and wheres my gift for signing up ??
Steve Weston
Arizona..
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| Subject: | Fatality Reported in new 701 |
MESILLA, NM -- A 54-year-old Mesilla man was killed Saturday when the light aircraft
he was flying crashed near his home as his family watched.
Authorities say Robert Steinmetz was flying the aircraft he had built himself the
day before when it crashed into a field just south of his house.
The family told authorities the pilot flew too low, couldn't pull up and went straight
into the ground.
Steinmetz -- a physical therapist who worked in Las Cruces -- died immediately.
He was an avid supporter of the volleyball program at New Mexico State University,
where his daughter Alex, a college freshman, plays as an outside hitter.
There is a news video on the El Paso TX. ABC-TV website.
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
My 1985 Nissan pickup is carburated and it has a return line.
Gig Giacona wrote:
> It there for a different reason in your car. Probably because there is a fuel
injection system in use.
>
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
> > Good to know, I'll probably install a return line myself. What can it hurt.
I know all of my cars have a return line, probably for good reason too. Is the
return line smaller?
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 |
My condolences to the family.
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Kevin
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I have titled your message so maybe Matt will read it. I am pretty sure
he doesn't read every post on every list... Also. on topics not related
to aviation it is suggested you add the- do not archive- somewhere in y
our posts so as to not clog up the archife file memory bank. You will en
joy and learn alot from matronics lists so sit back and enjoy.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 |
So sad... be careful out there. These things can and will kill you.
do not archive
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MESILLA, NM -- A 54-year-old Mesilla man was killed Saturday when the li
ght aircraft he was flying crashed near his home as his family watched.
Authorities say Robert Steinmetz was flying the aircraft he had built hi
mself the day before when it crashed into a field just south of his hous
e.
The family told authorities the pilot flew too low, couldn't pull up and
went straight into the ground.
Steinmetz -- a physical therapist who worked in Las Cruces -- died immed
iately. He was an avid supporter of the volleyball program at New Mexico
State University, where his daughter Alex, a college freshman, plays as
an outside hitter.
There is a news video on the El Paso TX. ABC-TV website.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 and wing failiers |
kmccune wrote:
> I was just put back because of the absolute refusal to even consider the 601.
Some people won't look any further than the hingless ailerons, and tend to dismiss
the design. People who give it some thought tend to like the design. Seems
that people either love the 601, or they hate it - no middle ground.
Funny story: My EAA Technical Adviser told me that the first time he saw my project
that he was agonizing on how to break the news to me on the magnitude of
my "screw-up". He is now a proponent of the design.
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 601 and wing failiers |
Personally, I have as much use for a closed mind as a closed store. Neither one
does much for me.
Dred
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---- PatrickW <pwhoyt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> kmccune wrote:
> > I was just put back because of the absolute refusal to even consider the 601.
>
> Some people won't look any further than the hingless ailerons, and tend to dismiss
the design. People who give it some thought tend to like the design. Seems
that people either love the 601, or they hate it - no middle ground.
>
> Funny story: My EAA Technical Adviser told me that the first time he saw my
project that he was agonizing on how to break the news to me on the magnitude
of my "screw-up". He is now a proponent of the design.
>
> Patrick
> XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Drill bits - recommendations |
I used to have a lovely little 3 jawchuck that treaded directly onto the collet
socket on my dremel. You are right - it makes for surgical drilling experiences.
Not exactly related to drill bits, more drilling itself. Has anyone used a dremel
tool for drilling? I tried it on my wing skins and I was very happy with it.
Less weight to hold up there so backstrain is reduced. Also less chance of dropping
a heavy drill on a skin and denting it. In fact I like it so much I'm
going to try the cable extender on the dremel so I'm working with only the little
light tip on the wand. Works very well for pilot holes and of course stepping
up to the next size after a pilot hole doesn't require as much force so the
light drill wand works well for that too. Plus, the dremel makes for a nice
fast drill speed. Just a thought for anyone looking for less of a full body workout
while drilling. It's about as taxing as using a dentist's drill.
do not archive.
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www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Attn. Matt Drale |
There's something strange about your statement: one does not pay to join
this list.
Contributions to help the list to stay alive (i.e., pay for hardware,
software and internet high-speed links) are totally voluntary.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
do not archive
On 17/12/2007, steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Hey I paid buckeroos to join this list and it still says that I can not
> "reply" to the posts...
> How come Matt ?
> and wheres my gift for signing up ??
>
> Steve Weston
> Arizona..
>
>
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We all saw this post.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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I could be wrong, but is this not the first fatality in a CH701 ???
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| Subject: | 601HD Tires and Landing gear forks |
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Was getting ready to form the Forks for my 601HD and have a question. Per
the drawing 6L-1 dated 08/04 the outside dim. for the forks are 123 mm, fork
thickness is 3/16 ". The nose wheel is P/N NW800CC-Z, I cann't find anything on
this. The main wheels are P/N W80CC-Z and Matco web site said "The W80CC-Z is
a 8.0 inch wheel with 5 inch width with an additional 1.85 inch caliper
spacing. The wheel assembly is too wide. What did I miss. Jerry of GA
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| Subject: | Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 |
_http://www.ktsm.com/news/local/12547616.html?video=YHI&t=a_
(http://www.ktsm.com/news/local/12547616.html?video=YHI&t=a)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 12:44:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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| Subject: | Re: Fatality Reported in new 701 |
_http://www.kvia.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1 20999&h1=Plan
e%20crashes%2C%20pilot%20killed&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=114000&LaunchPageAdTag=News&
activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.kvia.com/global/story
.asp%3Fs%3D7502972&rnd=5556876_
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Afterfxllc@aol.com writes:
_http://www.ktsm.com/news/local/12547616.html?video=YHI&t=a_
(http://www.ktsm.com/news/local/12547616.html?video=YHI&t=a)
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I guess you are referring to the post about the gas spring struts. Since I have
already installed them, I am going to go with the ZAC struts. But, just in
case, I went ahead and ordered the 60# struts from McMaster-Carr. My only concern
is getting them installed. As I recall, even the 40# struts were really
hard to compress to install them. Guess I'll have to get some real "He Man" help!
I think I've finally gotten all my electrical problems solved. Onward and Upward!!
"Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>
>We all saw this post.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152727#152727
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Really sad story. However, I thought it was only slightly amusing that, in the
write-up, they said that this was a homebuilt airplane that he built yesterday.
Someone probably told the writer that he had COMPLETED it yesterday, and, as
usual, this was misinterpreted.
Jay in Dallas
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If you hold the canopy open there is no need to compress them :)
In a message dated 12/17/2007 5:29:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Jaybannist@cs.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist@cs.com
I guess you are referring to the post about the gas spring struts. Since I
have already installed them, I am going to go with the ZAC struts. But, just
in case, I went ahead and ordered the 60# struts from McMaster-Carr. My
only concern is getting them installed. As I recall, even the 40# struts were
really hard to compress to install them. Guess I'll have to get some real "He
Man" help!
I think I've finally gotten all my electrical problems solved. Onward and
Upward!!
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>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
>We all saw this post.
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152727#152727
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| Subject: | Re: Fatal 701 Crash |
I had read the sentence in the "just built yesterday" way, but also "a plane
he built, and had just flown yesterday" way.
Truly sad that the 701 has had it's first fatality, but also it is truly
amazing that it has taken twenty years for it to happen.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Dec 17, 2007 2:32 PM, <Jaybannist@cs.com> wrote:
>
> Really sad story. However, I thought it was only slightly amusing that, in
> the write-up, they said that this was a homebuilt airplane that he built
> yesterday. Someone probably told the writer that he had COMPLETED it
> yesterday, and, as usual, this was misinterpreted.
>
> Jay in Dallas
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD Tires and Landing gear forks |
Hi Jerry,
The Matco wheels are 8-inch diameter x 4.00 inch width nominal size
without addressing tolerances for these.
Tires recommended for these wheels are a bit like wheelbarrow tires, but
a set of Michelin S83 tires are actually good looking
and are actually sized 3.5 x 8.0 and have a good load capacity and
ability to cope with landings.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/brakes2forks.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/pantforkbracketrh.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/Teebarforkjack2.gif
I purchased mine from Zenith, but not long ago, you could buy them from
the Matco people. Some have gone to
the smaller diameter wheels because they streamline the plane a bit.
I'm flying these as I like the easy rolling ride they provide,
especially on grass.
2361 South 1560 West
Woods Cross, UT 84087 USA
(801) 335-0582
(801) 335-0581 Fax
tech@MATCOmfg.com <mailto:tech@MATCOmfg.com>
After looking at the picture, I think the 6" width was a typo error.
The wheels should be 8" x 4" nominal. I'd call them first and then
check with Zenith if they don't make them anymore. Then look for a set
for sale from an unfinished kit if that doesn't work.
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote:
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Was getting ready to form the Forks for my 601HD and have a question.
> Per the drawing 6L-1 dated 08/04 the outside dim. for the forks are
> 123 mm, fork thickness is 3/16 ". The nose wheel is P/N NW800CC-Z, I
> cann't find anything on this. The main wheels are P/N W80CC-Z and
> Matco web site said "The W80CC-Z is a 8.0 inch wheel with 5 inch width
> with an additional 1.85 inch caliper spacing. The wheel assembly is
> too wide. What did I miss. Jerry of GA
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
The Rotax installation manual suggests a return line and in addition ,since
I burn mostly auto fuel, I wanted to insure against vapor lock.> Subject:
Zenith-List: Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed?> From: ashontz@
nbme.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:25:46 -0800> To: zenith-list@matronics.
hat's your reasoning for the return lines? The plans don't call for it, but
I was thinking of adding one myself to not burn out the pump with too much
pressure.> > [quote="gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM"]Martin--> I did not use a
check valve on my return line. There is a restricter in the return line wit
h about a .3mm hole in it so there is not much fuel that flows through the
line. The engine end of the line is also significantly higher that the term
ination at the tank. I think when I did my fuel flow tests with just the el
ectrical pump on the fuel returned through this line was about 13 ounces> >
George May> 601XL 912s 174hours> > > > Subject: Is check valve in fuel ret
urn line needed?> > From: mpohl@pohltec.ch> > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:21:
42 -0800> > To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > > > --> Zenith-List message po
sted by: "Martin Pohl" > > > > Hi folks> > > > Is there a need for a check
valve in the fuel return line (vapour lock return line)? Engine will be the
Rotax 912ULS.> > > > Cheers Martin> > > > --------> > Martin Pohl> > Zodia
c XL QBK> > 8645 Jona, Switzerland> > www.pohltec.ch/ZodiacXL> > > > > > >
> > > Read this topic online here:> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewt
opic.php?p=152523#152523> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share l
ife as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now! > > [b]> > > ------
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| Subject: | Monday Chat Room |
Join in the chat room again this evening.
http://www.mykitairplane/chat
George
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| Subject: | Jabiru 2200 Changes? |
I noticed on the newly designed USA Jabiru Web Site the following in the
2200 specification.
. Dual Transistorized Magneto Ignition
. Integrated AC Generator 20 amp
Is this indeed something that has been upgraded?
In particular I like the 20 Amp Generator output.
Does the Transistorized Magneto also possibly mean you can now HAND PROP a
Jabiur 2200?
George
Building CH701 (N73EX Reserved)
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Hello group ,I am about ready for a landing gear .I will most likely
build my own however if anyone is parting out a 601XL and has a main
gear for sale contact me off site at wjones@brazoriainet.com Thanks .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Drill bits - recommendations |
I have one of those that fits my Black and decker dremel but not one that fits
my Ryobi dremel wand attachment. I may make an adapter. I'd really like to use
the wand, but the dremels in general make excellent little drills for this type
of work.
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]I used to have a lovely little 3 jawchuck that
treaded directly onto the collet socket on my dremel. You are right - it makes
for surgical drilling experiences.
Not exactly related to drill bits, more drilling itself. Has anyone used a dremel
tool for drilling? I tried it on my wing skins and I was very happy with it.
Less weight to hold up there so backstrain is reduced. Also less chance of dropping
a heavy drill on a skin and denting it. In fact I like it so much I'm
going to try the cable extender on the dremel so I'm working with only the little
light tip on the wand. Works very well for pilot holes and of course stepping
up to the next size after a pilot hole doesn't require as much force so the
light drill wand works well for that too. Be a better friend, newshound,
and
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 Changes? |
I noticed on the newly designed USA Jabiru Web Site the following in the 2200 specification.
Dual Transistorized Magneto Ignition
Integrated AC Generator 20 amp
Is this indeed something that has been upgraded?In particular I like the 20 Amp
Generator output. Does the Transistorized Magneto also possibly mean you can
now HAND PROP a Jabiur 2200?
+++ Pete might want to jump in here if he's not too busy but Jabs have always had
'dual transistorized magneto ignition.' No, you can't spin a Jab, any model,
fast enough for a hand start. Big cables and an Odyssey 680 do that,
As for the 20 amp alternator: the 20 amp replaced the 15 amp on the 3300 a few
years back, there was even a rumor that it was possible to "stack" two of them
for those with panels of power-hungry appetites - don't know if that became
a possibility or not. Not surprising to conjecture that the 2200 benefited about
the same time. Switch came as Jab went from the three-phase to single phase
alternator. They weren't going to handle two differently rated alternators
when one would do.
regards tj do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Is check valve in fuel return line needed? |
Vapor lock is what results when the fuel pump is full of fuel vapor (or
air)instead of liquid fuel. The pump is designed to pump liquid, it
won't pump vapor worth a damn. It is caused when the fuel in the line
leading into the pump is vaporized due to excessive heat and/or
excessive suction on the line. It often results from drawing a suction
on the fuel line by trying to suck fuel uphill to a hot engine
compartment because reducing the pressure on the fuel also reduces its
boiling point. The situation is worse with auto fuel because some of its
components have a much lower boiling point than anything found in avgas.
The one of the worst cases is a pump attached to a hot engine on a hot
day at high altitude sucking fuel from low-wing tanks during a nose high
maneuver at full throttle and maximum fuel flow (i.e. just after takeoff
from a high density altitude airport). One of the easiest ways to avoid
it is to put the fuel pump near the fuel tank and pushing the fuel to
the engine.
ashontz wrote:
>
> Good to know, I'll probably install a return line myself. What can it hurt. I
know all of my cars have a return line, probably for good reason too. Is the
return line smaller?
>
> That being the case, I always hear the term vapor lock, in technical terms can
someone explain EXACTLY what it is and where in the fuel system it occurs generally
for everyone's benefit? I know sometimes my old lawnboy mower won't start
after running for awhile and I need to take the air filter off to let it breath
better so I can restart it. I assume this is vapor lock, but I'm not really
sure. I've never had it stop running, but restarting was a major problem before
I replaced the mower due to other problems with the mower being a yardsale
total piece of crap I bought when I was poor years ago and not worth fiddling
with everytime I wanted to mow the lawn.
>
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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At 10:51 AM 12/17/2007 Monday, you wrote:
>I have titled your message so maybe Matt will read it. I am pretty sure he doesn't
read every post on every list... Also. on topics not related to aviation
it is suggested you add the- do not archive- somewhere in your posts so as to
not clog up the archife file memory bank. You will enjoy and learn alot from
matronics lists so sit back and enjoy.
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>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
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>-- "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>Hey I paid buckeroos to join this list and it still says that I can not "reply"
to the posts...
>How come Matt ?
>and wheres my gift for signing up ??
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>Steve Weston
>Arizona..
Hi Steve,
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Re: Main Spar Bolts and Holes Sat Dec 15 - 7:47 AM
More on wing spar bolts/holes Fri Dec 14 - 8:25 PM
Re: Main Spar Bolts and Holes Fri Dec 14 - 5:27 PM
Main Spar Bolts and Holes Fri Dec 14 - 4:15 PM
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Remember I complained about my 2200 running rough at WOT with much soot
in exhaust pipes. On the ground I opened the wing tank valve (no pumps
at all) and gas poured out of the carb. (I am going to replace the float
needle with the one that has a stronger spring built in. The orange
tipped needle spring takes about 2 oz to depress it about 1 mm, the
stronger black tipped needle takes about 30 oz to depress it 1 mm.) With
the carb bowl off, it takes very, very little pressure on the old needle
to stop the flow.
I got to thinking maybe the float has taken on fluid. I weighed it at
the post office and it measured to be 0.4 oz. Bing factory says my white
float should weigh 10 grams or about 0.35 oz. (The scale only showed
tenths of oz.) So I suspended the float in a bowl of gas with a wire
through the hinges. With the float level, only 6 mm of the float was out
of the gasoline. This appears to me that the fuel in the bowl must be
this high before the float can apply pressure to the needle. The fuel is
supposed to be =BD in below the bowl lip when not on the carb, it will
be a bit higher when the float is in it, but not that much higher. I am
going to let the float "dry" out and check it in gas again. More later.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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To all and Sundry,
Just a quick note far removed from the subject of Building. May you all
have a safe and peacefull festive season. To those still building, try not
to rivet your hand or other appendage to your empenage and to those who
will be flying may it be blue skies all the way.
Looking forward to 2008,
God Bless.
Martyn Ward
CH 701 ZU-DPL, Johannesburg, South Africa.
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