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1. 06:59 AM - Re: Looking to trade unused 601 plans (LarryMcFarland)
2. 09:09 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 12/28/07 (Chuck Deiterich)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Gig Giacona)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 12/28/07 (James Sagerser)
5. 10:17 AM - 0-200 motor mount (wade jones)
6. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Joemotis@aol.com)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (AB_Summit)
8. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Terry Turnquist)
9. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Joemotis@aol.com)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Russell Lassetter)
11. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
12. 01:32 PM - Re: 0-200 motor mount (LarryMcFarland)
13. 01:32 PM - Fairing the XL gascolator (THOMAS SMALL)
14. 01:45 PM - Sump drain valve (robert stone)
15. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (LarryMcFarland)
16. 02:38 PM - test (Randy L. Thwing)
17. 02:38 PM - Re: Sump drain valve (george may)
18. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (n801bh@netzero.com)
19. 03:35 PM - Re: test (robert stone)
20. 04:22 PM - Re: test (Iberplanes IGL)
21. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Bryan Martin)
22. 04:48 PM - Re: Sump drain valve (Bryan Martin)
23. 05:38 PM - Re: 0-200 motor mount (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 07:23 PM - Re: test (Randy L. Thwing)
25. 08:14 PM - Re: Fairing the XL gascolator (Ron Lendon)
26. 10:45 PM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Joemotis@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Looking to trade unused 601 plans |
David,
I'd recommend you speak with Zenith as they'd be inclined to support you
better with latest rev plans.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
> I am looking to trade my new unused 601HD plans for some 701 plans.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 12/28/07 |
Jim,
I believe that a magnetic compass is required. A GPS does not qualify. If
the EFIS uses a magnetic sensor it should qualify. A friend has an
automobile electronic compass (uses a battery) but senses the earth's
magnetic field and was passed by a DAR. The only US airplane I know that
does not have a magnetic compass is the shuttle orbiter.
Chuck D.
N701TX
>
> Time: 07:37:15 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Quick Question
> From: James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net>
>
>
> Does anyone know if a regular (whiskey) compass is required equipment if
> your aircraft has an EFIS system like the Enigma?
>
> Also. Can anyone recommend a free site to post pictures of our projects
> besides "MySpace" (received 3 special solicitations in the first hour!).
>
> Thanks in advance, Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? |
Let's look at two statements the original poster made.
1."I am not an engineer, or even a pilot yet, but I do enjoy building, fabricating,
working with metal, etc. "
2."Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like the Suzuki/Geo
or go with the 912?"
Statement 1 pretty much stands on it's own. There is no mention that he has ANY
experience with aircraft mechanics. He's not even a pilot.
Statement 2 seems to show that he is just trying to come up with an aircraft he
can fly. I will be anyone here $100 that should the original poster ever try
to build a 701 or any plane with the engine he described it will never get off
the ground.
I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about designing such conversions
need to either have at least some experience with aircraft power plants
or a real strong background in engineering.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154875#154875
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 12/28/07 |
Thanks to all that replied. Guess it's a trip to Walmart. Jim
On Dec 29, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Chuck Deiterich wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> I believe that a magnetic compass is required. A GPS does not
> qualify. If the EFIS uses a magnetic sensor it should qualify. A
> friend has an automobile electronic compass (uses a battery) but
> senses the earth's magnetic field and was passed by a DAR. The
> only US airplane I know that does not have a magnetic compass is
> the shuttle orbiter.
>
> Chuck D.
> N701TX
>
>>
>> Time: 07:37:15 AM PST US
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Quick Question
>> From: James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if a regular (whiskey) compass is required
>> equipment if
>> your aircraft has an EFIS system like the Enigma?
>>
>> Also. Can anyone recommend a free site to post pictures of our
>> projects
>> besides "MySpace" (received 3 special solicitations in the first
>> hour!).
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Jim
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | 0-200 motor mount |
Hello group ,I am just about ready to start welding on the 0200 mount
.My plan was to shorten the mount for W/B for the additional weight of
the 0200 .On second thought ZAC may have already taken this into
consideration when the plans were drawn . I think that I would have no
problem building it 1" to 2" shorter than the plans and still have room
.Any thoughts .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:06:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com)
But those that go about designing such conversions need to either have at
least some experience with aircraft power plants or a real strong background in
engineering.
I disagree, trial and error teaches many things. And it
would be great to see this 150 HP in an
aircraft. Quite a lot is already known about conversions
and
heck, a redrive is the same thing in principle
as the jackshaft I installed on a Bonaza mini bike
toaccomadate the Hodaka Ace 90 that was replacing
the Mac 9.
This Yamaha 4 stroke seems to me a good place to
start if one was so inclined.
Many a failed attempt at something quite often turns
out be quite an educational experience.
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? |
Gig Giacona wrote:
> Let's look at two statements the original poster made.
>
> 1."I am not an engineer, or even a pilot yet, but I do enjoy building, fabricating,
working with metal, etc. "
>
> 2."Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like the Suzuki/Geo
or go with the 912?"
>
> Statement 1 pretty much stands on it's own. There is no mention that he has ANY
experience with aircraft mechanics. He's not even a pilot.
>
> Statement 2 seems to show that he is just trying to come up with an aircraft
he can fly. I will be anyone here $100 that should the original poster ever try
to build a 701 or any plane with the engine he described it will never get off
the ground.
>
> I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about designing such
conversions need to either have at least some experience with aircraft power
plants or a real strong background in engineering.
You're right, I don't have any experience with aircraft mechanics and I am not
a pilot, and my goal is to get an aircraft I can fly.
I also agree that on my own I would not be capable of building a flying aircraft,
however with the help of people who DO have experience with aircraft mechanics
and engineering and by joining the EAA and RAA and leaning on the experience
of members in those organizations I think it is possible.
I also agree that the combination of a new pilot, new airframe and an unproven
engine/redrive combination probably isn't wise, and that's something I'll need
to consider as well, for now I'm just asking questions and learning.
I do know from the number of emails that I have received off list that there is
considerable interest in using these engines in aircraft. So far I know of four
projects that are in progress using this engine or the smaller 3 cylinder version,
and one of them is currently using the 912 and intends to change to a
Yamaha snowmobile engine. So the idea doesn't seem to be a bad one.
As I said, with my level of experience, this may not be a smart way for me to go,
but I think this engine has great potential and it seems that there are others
who agree with me.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154892#154892
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
The golden years of experimental aviation reached it's peak (probably in the sixties
and seventies) and went into a steep decline, which is now reflected in
the false illusion that safety is achievable only by using factory built parts.I
wasn't a builder then, but you can imagine a lone figure toiling in his garage
on a project, with no Internet, no builder forums, few good reference books,
but a lot of ingenuity and common sense. Those days are long gone. Many
pilots will just shell out the ninety grand for a factory built sport plane and
leave the building to the few true experimenters who love to create. There's
nothing wrong with that approach but don't try to stifle the enthusiasm of the
guy who wants to try to build his own dream with limited resources but a lot
of heart.
When many in my fathers generation dreamed of home ownership they bought a piece
of land, and took shovel to dirt and started building. Now we're told you have
to have an Architecual drawing, soil analysis by a professional and a certified
landscape company to plant your grass, and whatever you do, don't try to
do your own interior decorating, the paint fumes may explode!
This afternoon we should all tip our glass to the guys that went before and flew
that creation with the model "A" engine sputtering while spinning that homemade
wood prop!
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
Joemotis@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:06:04 A.M. Pacific
Standard Time, wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
http://forums.matronics.com But those that go about designing such conversions need to either have at least some experience with aircraft power plants or a real strong background in engineering.
I disagree, trial and error teaches many things. And it
would be great to see this 150 HP in an aircraft.
Quite a lot is already known about conversions and
heck, a redrive is the same thing in principle
as the jackshaft I installed on a Bonaza mini bike toaccomadate
the Hodaka Ace 90 that was replacing the
Mac 9.
This Yamaha 4 stroke seems to me a good place to start
if one was so inclined.
Many a failed attempt at something quite often turns
out be quite an educational experience.
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
Any links to the people experimenting with these engines?
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
Very well said Terry. Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt but it is very
admirable to "experiment" in my humble opinion.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Turnquist
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:03 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible,
is it safe?
The golden years of experimental aviation reached it's peak (probably in
the sixties and seventies) and went into a steep decline, which is now
reflected in the false illusion that safety is achievable only by using
factory built parts.I wasn't a builder then, but you can imagine a lone
figure toiling in his garage on a project, with no Internet, no builder
forums, few good reference books, but a lot of ingenuity and common sense.
Those days are long gone. Many pilots will just shell out the ninety grand
for a factory built sport plane and leave the building to the few true
experimenters who love to create. There's nothing wrong with that approach
but don't try to stifle the enthusiasm of the guy who wants to try to build
his own dream with limited resources but a lot of heart.
When many in my fathers generation dreamed of home ownership they bought a
piece of land, and took shovel to dirt and started building. Now we're told
you have to have an Architecual drawing, soil analysis by a professional and
a certified landscape company to plant your grass, and whatever you do,
don't try to do your own interior decorating, the paint fumes may explode!
This afternoon we should all tip our glass to the guys that went before
and flew that creation with the model "A" engine sputtering while spinning
that homemade wood prop!
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:06:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
http://forums.matronics.com
But those that go about designing such conversions need to either have
at least some experience with aircraft power plants or a real strong
background in engineering.
I disagree, trial and error teaches many things. And
it would be great to see this 150 HP in an
aircraft. Quite a lot is already known about conversions
and heck, a redrive is the same thing in
principle as the jackshaft I installed on a Bonaza mini
bike toaccomadate the Hodaka Ace 90 that was replacing
the Mac 9.
This Yamaha 4 stroke seems to me a good place
to start if one was so inclined.
Many a failed attempt at something quite often
turns out be quite an educational experience.
Joe Motis
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
Does that also apply to the Wright Brothers who were bicycle
mechanics???????????????
In a message dated 12/29/2007 1:06:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" _wr.giacona@suddenlink.net_
(mailto:wr.giacona@suddenlink.net)
2."Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like the
Suzuki/Geo or go with the 912?"
Statement 1 pretty much stands on it's own. There is no mention that he has
ANY experience with aircraft mechanics. He's not even a pilot.
Statement 2 seems to show that he is just trying to come up with an aircraft
he can fly. I will be anyone here $100 that should the original poster ever
try to build a 701 or any plane with the engine he described it will never
get off the ground.
I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about designing
such conversions need to either have at least some experience with aircraft
power plants or a real strong background in engineering.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154875#154875
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| Subject: | Re: 0-200 motor mount |
Hi Wade,
Intuitively, if the mount at 2 inches shorter was not a problem, you
could really benefit by moving the CG back a little. It might also
interfere with disassembly of magnetos or
such between, so it's not just a fit as is. Also, the cowling might be
affected at the prop end, requiring adjustment in length at the rear.
You might put this question to Nick at Zenith for an estimate of best
options.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
wade jones wrote:
> Hello group ,I am just about ready to start welding on the 0200 mount
> .My plan was to shorten the mount for W/B for the additional weight of
> the 0200 .On second thought ZAC may have already taken this
> into consideration when the plans were drawn . I think that I would
> have no problem building it 1" to 2" shorter than the plans and still
> have room .Any thoughts
> . Wade
> Jones South Texas
> 601XL plans building
> Cont. 0200
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Fairing the XL gascolator |
A few weeks back there were comments about the location of the
gascolator on the XL, its safety in that position and rather ungainly
appearance.
If you get AOPA Pilot turn to page 56 of the January issue and see how
Diamond softens the look on its DA40XLS. The simple fairing shields
gascolator from runway debris thrown up by prop and front wheel, and
makes an aesthetically pleasing form when viewed from the side and
front. Angle the bowl correctly for the sump drain and most of the
gascolator can be covered.
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| Subject: | Sump drain valve |
Members,
Does anyone know what the size is for the little O ring seal on the
fuel sump drain valves on the ZodiacXL?
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
I don't think a degree will put you any closer to resolving the problems
of adapting a Yamaha. Examining "the numbers" needed to sustain power,
minimize engine rpms
and keep the prop engaged at the correct rpm at an appropriate total
weight would get you there if you're an "engine guy". I'd suspect this
one would be more appropriate
for a lighter aircraft. Super horsepower claims can be made for the
smallest engines, but most need excessive rpms and turbos to do any good
and they become very
thirsty in real operating conditions. The numbers are a shortcut that
anyone can sort thru if one takes the time well before spending precious
nickels.
I'm rather impressed with the Suzuki though. Nice application and
conversion. Better than a 912 in simplicity and much more economical.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> *Does that also apply to the Wright Brothers who were bicycle
> mechanics???????????????*
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2007 1:06:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
>
> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net <mailto:wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>
>
> 2."Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like
> the Suzuki/Geo or go with the 912?"
>
> Statement 1 pretty much stands on it's own. There is no mention
> that he has ANY experience with aircraft mechanics. He's not even
> a pilot.
>
> Statement 2 seems to show that he is just trying to come up with
> an aircraft he can fly. I will be anyone here $100 that should the
> original poster ever try to build a 701 or any plane with the
> engine he described it will never get off the ground.
>
> I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about
> designing such conversions need to either have at least some
> experience with aircraft power plants or a real strong background
> in engineering.
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154875#154875
>
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Sump drain valve |
Bob--
If they are the SAF-AIR drain valves I used the o rings MS29513-006 from A
ircraft Spruce
George May
601XL 912s
From: rstone4@hot.rr.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List:
Sump drain valveDate: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:44:23 -0600
Members,
Does anyone know what the size is for the little O ring seal on the fu
el sump drain valves on the ZodiacXL?
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
Amen brother..... The word "EXPERIMENTAL" posted on the side of our crea
tions says it all.!!!!
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N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Terry Turnquist <ter_turn@yahoo.com> wrote:
The golden years of experimental aviation reached it's peak (probably in
the sixties and seventies) and went into a steep decline, which is now
reflected in the false illusion that safety is achievable only by using
factory built parts.I wasn't a builder then, but you can imagine a lone
figure toiling in his garage on a project, with no Internet, no builder
forums, few good reference books, but a lot of ingenuity and common se
nse. Those days are long gone. Many pilots will just shell out the nine
ty grand for a factory built sport plane and leave the building to the f
ew true experimenters who love to create. There's nothing wrong with tha
t approach but don't try to stifle the enthusiasm of the guy who wants t
o try to build his own dream with limited resources but a lot of heart.
When many in my fathers generation dreamed of home ownership they bought
a piece of land, and took shovel to dirt and started building. Now we'r
e told you have to have an Architecual drawing, soil analysis by a profe
ssional and a certified landscape company to plant your grass, and whate
ver you do, don't try to do your own interior decorating, the paint fume
s may explode!
This afternoon we should all tip our glass to the guys that went before
and flew that creation with the model "A" engine sputtering while spinni
ng that homemade wood prop!
Terry Turnquist
601 XL Plans
St. Peters, MO
Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 12/29/2007 10:06:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wr.gi
acona@suddenlink.net writes:http://forums.matronics.comBut those that go
about designing such conversions need to either have at least some expe
rience with aircraft power plants or a real strong background in enginee
ring. I disagree, trial and error teaches many things. A
nd it would be great to see this 150 HP in
an aircraft. Quite a lot is already known about conve
rsions and heck, a redrive is the same thing
in principle as the jackshaft I installed on a B
onaza mini bike toaccomadate the Hodaka Ace 90 that
was replacing the Mac 9.This Yamaha 4 stroke seems
to me a good place to start if one was so
inclined. Many a failed attempt at something quit
e often turns out be quite an educational experien
ce. Joe MotisDo not archive http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311
/jdmotis/Genesis150_tcm26-67175.jpg
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Randy,
If the test is to see if your messages are going out to members of
the net, they are.
Bob Stone
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From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: test
do not archive
test
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ok, works fine
Take care,
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: test
Randy,
If the test is to see if your messages are going out to members
of the net, they are.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: test
do not archive
test
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
Oh, I don't know. Orville and Wilbur seemed to manage well enough. :)
It can be done but it does take a great deal of time and effort, to put
it mildly.
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about designing such
conversions need to either have at least some experience with aircraft power
plants or a real strong background in engineering.
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Sump drain valve |
I just took one down to the auto parts store and went through their
O-ring bin and found a perfect fit. I don't recall the part number but
it seem to be a standard size.
robert stone wrote:
> Members,
> Does anyone know what the size is for the little O ring seal on the
> fuel sump drain valves on the ZodiacXL?
>
> Bob Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: 0-200 motor mount |
Hi Wade,
I have no special expertise in engine mounts, but I am in the middle
of mounting the engine in my XL right now. So I guess I will respond
to your request for any thoughts.
There are a number of issues that seem to come together in the engine
mount. There is the position of the engine with regard to the top
longerons. There is also the angle the engine makes for both pitch and yaw.
I think it is important that the engine be located so the thrust line
is right at the top longerons. I wish I knew the correct angles for
the engine to make compared to the fuselage center lines. I sent a
request to ZAC with this question but have not received an answer. I
also did some reading in "Firewall Forward" by Tony Bingelis. Tony
indicated it is common for the engine to make a 3 degree right yaw
angle to the fuselage. He also indicated the engine should not have
any positive or negative pitch angle. (Of course, the 3 degrees
right supposes a standard clockwise propeller rotation.)
I suspect all three of these issues are more important than the CG
issue you mentioned. For CG you can do some weight additions or move
the battery around. However, once the position and angles of the
engine are fixed there isn't much you can do to change it.
Good Luck
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 10:16 AM 12/29/2007, you wrote:
>Hello group ,I am just about ready to start welding on the 0200
>mount .My plan was to shorten the mount for W/B for the additional
>weight of the 0200 .On second thought ZAC may have already taken
>this into consideration when the plans were drawn . I think that I
>would have no problem building it 1" to 2" shorter than the plans
>and still have room .Any thoughts
>.
>Wade Jones South Texas
>601XL plans building
>Cont. 0200
>
>
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Do Not Archive
Thanks for responding, I accidentally removed myself from four lists
today, just wanted to see if I made it back!
Dufussly Yours,
Randy, Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: test
ok, works fine
Take care,
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: test
Randy,
If the test is to see if your messages are going out to members
of the net, they are.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: test
do not archive
test
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| Subject: | Re: Fairing the XL gascolator |
What's wrong with just putting the gascolator low on the firewall under the cowling.
WW has his set up this way, as does Cessna on many of their planes.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
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