Zenith-List Digest Archive

Mon 12/31/07


Total Messages Posted: 30



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:00 AM - Prop flange extension (Dave Johnson)
     2. 03:52 AM - Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? (Trainnut01@aol.com)
     3. 03:56 AM - Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? (Larry H)
     4. 04:12 AM - Re: Prop flange extension (Larry H)
     5. 04:24 AM - Re: Prop flange extension (Paul Mulwitz)
     6. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it 	 safe? (n801bh@netzero.com)
     7. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, 	is it (n801bh@netzero.com)
     8. 06:17 AM - Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall pass through (Frank Derfler)
     9. 06:46 AM - Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (Gig Giacona)
    10. 07:39 AM - Snowmobile (LRM)
    11. 07:44 AM - Re: Prop flange extension (steve)
    12. 08:37 AM - Re: Sump drain valve (japhillipsga@aol.com)
    13. 08:37 AM - Re: A *flying* electric airplane (robert stone)
    14. 09:01 AM - A *flying* electric airplane (MaxNr@aol.com)
    15. 09:07 AM - Re: A *flying* electric airplane (William Dominguez)
    16. 09:24 AM - Re: A *flying* electric airplane (Craig Payne)
    17. 10:35 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? ()
    18. 10:41 AM - Re: A *flying* electric airplane (sanyu)
    19. 10:49 AM - Monday Night Chat Room (George Race)
    20. 11:03 AM - Re: Drills and Drill press recommendations (grarad)
    21. 12:00 PM - Jeep Shifter Boots (steve)
    22. 12:10 PM - Re: Jeep Shifter Boots (Gig Giacona)
    23. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Jeep Shifter Boots (Craig Payne)
    24. 02:34 PM - Re: Snowmobile (n801bh@netzero.com)
    25. 03:05 PM - Insurance (John Short)
    26. 03:22 PM - Re: Snowmobile (JG)
    27. 03:41 PM - Re: Insurance (LarryMcFarland)
    28. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft Spruce Streamlined Tubing (David Downey)
    29. 07:11 PM - Re: Insurance (John Short)
    30. 07:42 PM - Re: test & fools (Randy L. Thwing)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:00:41 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Johnson" <david_a_g_johnson@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Prop flange extension
    I'm building a 601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich composite prop and FWF kit from USJabiru. The instructions and the Homebuilthelp video all refer to fitting a prop flange extension, but I don't have one, should it have been supplied with either the engine, or the FWF kit? Neither of the packing lists refer to it. Why is an extension needed and where can I get one? Any advice would be appreciated. Dave Johnson (In the UK) do not archive


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    Time: 03:52:11 AM PST US
    From: Trainnut01@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...?
    Ron I've been thinking about the single handle brake but I'm not far enough along to have to make a decision yet. I have flown many Cherokees over the last forty years that were equipped just that way. We have several Challengers and a least one Weedhopper at our local strip that have Black Max brakes. They have a single motorcycle type lever on the stick. Also if you look close at photos of Van's RV12 prototype it appears to have a brake lever on the stick also. Since ZAC designs don't have castering nose wheels I don't really see why it wouldn't work. Like I said I'm not there yet so I have plenty of time to think about it. Carroll do not archive (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 03:56:40 AM PST US
    From: Larry H <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...?
    I probably fly the same Tecnam you do with the center brake. I hate it. Its hard to get used to. The other thing I miss by having the center brake is the individual brake control over each wheel. It makes it difficult to do a sharp turn around when you can't hold pressure on just one brake - like the Cessna 150-152's I'm used to flying. I'm looking forward to having that individual wheel control back again. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.


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    Time: 04:12:33 AM PST US
    From: Larry H <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Prop flange extension
    I would suggest contact the supplier(s) and ask them. It could have just been an oversight on their part. If it's not needed, they will be able to let you know why. Just a thought. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.


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    Time: 04:24:38 AM PST US
    From: Paul Mulwitz <psm@ATT.NET>
    Subject: Re: Prop flange extension
    Hi Dave, I too received the FWF from UsJabiru. The prop flange extension was wrapped in bubble wrap. Total package size is around 6 inches around by 3 inches tall. I suggest you check your pile of bubble wrap to see if one of the pieces is a lot heavier than the others. If you didn't get the part, I'm sure Pete will supply it to you. Happy Hunting, Paul XL fuselage do not archive At 02:59 AM 12/31/2007, you wrote: >I'm building a 601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich composite prop and FWF >kit from USJabiru. > >The instructions and the Homebuilthelp video all refer to fitting a >prop flange extension, but I


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    Time: 04:35:02 AM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it
    safe? You can go to any snowmobile dealer and buy just the engine, It will be new and ALOT cheaper then the whole sled. We do it all the time when bui lding custom snowmobiles, We make Pol Tax's. Pol Cats Yama Doos and a co mbination of other creations. Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com> wrote: The main reason I would buy a new snowmobile is because I know I would h ave every part I need except the PRSU. Exhaust parts, radiator and more . When you don't know exactly what you need, those little things will n ickel and dime you to death. And I doubt I could buy too many wrecked p arts around here, in fact I've never seen a snowmobile in Arkansas. We have a whole lot of those skidoos and alike, but I think their cooling s ystem is too different. The only real down side to most conversions that no one has mentioned is insurance. You can't get it with an unapproved engine. It's a big risk. I found that out when I tried to insure my skyhawg. Anybody out there think there might be a market for a airboa t with a Harley on it? LRM www.skyhawg.com----- Original Message ----- From: Joemotis@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, Decem ber 30, 2007 12:44 AMSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Trying an unproven en gine - is it feasible, is it safe? Here is a pic of the Yamaha in question.<a href="http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/jdmotis/?action=view&cu rrent=Genesis150_tcm26-67175.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http:/ /i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/jdmotis/Genesis150_tcm26-67175.jpg" bor der="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.href="http ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="ht tp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comRelease Date: 12/2 9/2007 1:27 PM ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ==== _____________________________________________________________ Click here and get the professional resume help you need. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4s1lmUnQ4N0Wzc8C1OA FXv2djAIMbgcINfsTMd5srKW0V5z0/


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    Time: 04:36:18 AM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible,
    is it It's called a "Radiator" :<)........ do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Terry Turnquist <ter_turn@yahoo.com> wrote: Not being a snowmobiler, I'm wondering about the cooling requirements of an engine designed for cold weather operations in say, the Arizona de ssert in July. Anybody? Do Not Archive Terry Turnquist MaxNr@aol.com wrote: It sounds like a neat engine. I've got to say that it would be ballsy to put a one of a kind experimental engine on a newly built CH 701. There would be both a powerplant and an airframe to debug simultaneously in th e test phase. Like your first born turning out to be twins. This engine sure looks like it has promise. RTD Do not archive ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find great physician jobs throughout the nation! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4uAuVHd91bPFIyNct2T JCD8IfSZc0oaSCOEPKGYpGl9L7fmi/


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    Time: 06:17:53 AM PST US
    From: "Frank Derfler" <fderfler@gmail.com>
    Subject: Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall pass through
    I've got 100 hours in a nose wheel castering Grumman Cheetah and 100 hours in a 601. The free castering nose wheel is no big deal on landing, taxi or otherwise. The plane can turn in its own length (as opposed to whoever said the "steered" nose wheel is "more maneuverable." Some Grumman types use this feature to make parking maneuvers every bit as showy as a tail dragger. Two things: Yes, you might wear out the brakes faster with free castering (never seen as a factor by the Grumman Gang) and yes, it can weathervane and "look funny" if you're flying in formation. As I said, it is no big deal. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com


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    Time: 06:46:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe?
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
    I've lived here all of my 40+ years and I haven't either. Not a lot of call for them. Thank GOD!! lrm(at)skyhawg.com wrote: > ... in fact I've never seen a snowmobile in > Arkansas. DO NOT ARCHIVE -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155160#155160


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    Time: 07:39:07 AM PST US
    From: "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
    Subject: Snowmobile
    Hey Ben, back when I flew Gyros with Subarus and needed a part, you best not tell the dealer it was for an airplane, no sale. You think the same stupidity would be true with Snowmobile dealers? Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L


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    Time: 07:44:18 AM PST US
    From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Prop flange extension
    I have the same aircraft and setup. QBK. It came with the extension. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Johnson To: Zenith List Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:59 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Prop flange extension I'm building a 601XL, Jabiru 3300, Sensenich composite prop and FWF kit from USJabiru. The instructions and the Homebuilthelp video all refer to fitting a prop flange extension, but I don't have one, should it have been supplied with either the engine, or the FWF kit? Neither of the packing lists refer to it. Why is an extension needed and where can I get one? Any advice would be appreciated. Dave Johnson (In the UK) do not archive


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    Time: 08:37:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sump drain valve
    From: japhillipsga@aol.com
    Bob, I had a drip problem with both of mine. Could not find out the exact size. Called Spruce, talked to Tim, asked him for several various sizes. He sent a bunch and I Trial & Error until I found new ones that fit. A whole little bag of O rings of different size was only a couple bucks. ACS will work with you. Hope you had a fine Christmas and best regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> Sent: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 4:44 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Sump drain valve Members, ???? Does anyone know what the size is for the little O ring seal on the fuel sump drain valves on the ZodiacXL? ? Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 08:37:31 AM PST US
    From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: A *flying* electric airplane
    Craig, I for one would like to see some pictures of this aircraft (Electra) if any are available and I am sure some of the other members of this forum would as well. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: A *flying* electric airplane > >>From AVweb: > > The first flight of the appropriately named Electra electric-powered > open-cockpit aircraft took place Sunday, Dec. 23 at 11:50 a.m. local time > at > the Aspres sur Buech airfield, Hautes Alpes. The braced-shoulder-wing > taildragger flew a closed circuit for 48 minutes powered by lithium > polymer > batteries, traveling the equivalent of a little more than 31 miles. (A > quick > look at the aircraft suggests the airframe itself was chosen more for > expedience than for its high-performance characteristics). Piloted by test > engineer Christian Vandamme, the flight was achieved in cooperation with > APAME, the French association for the promotion of electrically motorized > aircraft that created it. According to APAME's Web site, "This flight uses > the electrical engine for light aircraft respecting the environmental > context and the control of energy costs." It also builds on the success of > the Electron Libre ultralight trike (powered hang-glider), which flew for > 22 > minutes in calm air on Aug. 25 from Aspres sur Buech airfield. > > http://www.apame.eu/ > > -- Craig > > >


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    Time: 09:01:58 AM PST US
    From: MaxNr@aol.com
    Subject: A *flying* electric airplane
    At least two self launching sailplanes have been flying in Europe for more than ten years. They also have X-C capability of 150 to 190 KM. Lange Flugzeugbau just went out of business, but not before delivering a bunch of their Antares 20E. Some are flying in the US http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.com/htm/english/news/news.html Also there is the DG Flugzeugbau DG 808E. http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/elektroflieger-e.html There is video of the Antares in flight at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7vaMEstfZ8M and http://youtube.com/watch?v=NnpBvMxsE70&feature=related They are also equipped with tow hooks. Bob (Among other things, old glider instructor, before the FAA created CFI-G.) Do not archive ************************************** (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)


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    Time: 09:07:12 AM PST US
    From: William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: A *flying* electric airplane
    Here they are: http://www.apame.eu/Projet03.html William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida Craig, I for one would like to see some pictures of this aircraft (Electra) if any are available and I am sure some of the other members of this forum would as well. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: Zenith-List: A *flying* electric airplane > >>From AVweb: > > The first flight of the appropriately named Electra electric-powered > open-cockpit aircraft took place Sunday, Dec. 23 at 11:50 a.m. local time > at > the Aspres sur Buech airfield, Hautes Alpes. The braced-shoulder-wing > taildragger flew a closed circuit for 48 minutes powered by lithium > polymer > batteries, traveling the equivalent of a little more than 31 miles. (A > quick > look at the aircraft suggests the airframe itself was chosen more for > expedience than for its high-performance characteristics). Piloted by test > engineer Christian Vandamme, the flight was achieved in cooperation with > APAME, the French association for the promotion of electrically motorized > aircraft that created it. According to APAME's Web site, "This flight uses > the electrical engine for light aircraft respecting the environmental > context and the control of energy costs." It also builds on the success of > the Electron Libre ultralight trike (powered hang-glider), which flew for > 22 > minutes in calm air on Aug. 25 from Aspres sur Buech airfield. > > http://www.apame.eu/ > > -- Craig > > >


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    Time: 09:24:40 AM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: A *flying* electric airplane
    > I for one would like to see some pictures of this aircraft (Electra)... There are some at the linked page: http://www.apame.eu/ Here is one good one: -- Craig


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    Time: 10:35:11 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Zenith-List Digest: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...?
    From: <Craig.Spainhower@exeloncorp.com>
    There is an option to move the channel and pedals forward two inches. I moved mine forward the full two inches and had to trim ~ 1/2" off the lower engine mount fittings. I got a copy of drawing with the option from ZAC when I was there picking up parts. It does make a big difference in leg room. Craig S. N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235, waiting for spring to finish wiring Has anyone moved the Rudder Pedals or the Rear Bearing Channel (6B8-3) forward so as to provide increased leg room on the 601XL? Looking at the drawings, it appears there is little leeway to move the Rudder Pedals/bearings forward, hence the idea of moving the entire Rear Bearing Channel assembly forward. The obvious limit on the forward side would be interference with the firewall. Immediately aft of the firewall are the Lower Engine Mount Fittings (6B6-5). Perhaps the rearmost bolt through the Lower Engine Mount Fittings could also pass through the Rear Bearing Channel and still leave sufficient room for full rudder pedal travel? ----------------------------------------- ************************************************** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. **************************************************


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    Time: 10:41:21 AM PST US
    From: "sanyu" <sanyu@WANADOO.FR>
    Subject: Re: A *flying* electric airplane
    hey folks this i a french microlicht ( sourisette) happy new yaer tho all decorte johnny france ch 701 1500 hr rotax 912 80 hp http://www.lafermeaquatique.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Zenith-List: A *flying* electric airplane > I for one would like to see some pictures of this aircraft (Electra)... There are some at the linked page: http://www.apame.eu/ Here is one good one: -- Craig


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    Time: 10:49:37 AM PST US
    From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
    Subject: Monday Night Chat Room
    Please join the group at the Monday night Chat Room.. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat 8:00 PM EST or earlier if you wish. George


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    Time: 11:03:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Drills and Drill press recommendations
    From: "grarad" <gary.auxier@verizonbusiness.com>
    Many thanks to all who responded by Forum and directly. Also, thanks to those who provided their insights to the Drill Bits recommendations. - A very Happy New Year to all!! Thanks again, Gary -------- 601 XL / Rudder / Horz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155214#155214


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    Time: 12:00:38 PM PST US
    From: "steve" <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Jeep Shifter Boots
    A week or two, maybe three ago, someone suggested Jeep Shifter boots to cover up the nose wheel steering rods to keep out CO. I purchased two on eBay and it looks like these will do a really good job on my 601 XL. They are oval shaped and have billows ( well you know ?) You might look at them for a nice fix to your aircraft. SW


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    Time: 12:10:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jeep Shifter Boots
    From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
    What model and year are they from? [quote="notsew_evets(at)frontiern"]A week or two, maybe three ago, someone suggested Jeep Shifter boots to cover up the nose wheel steering rods to keep out CO. I purchased two on eBay and it looks like these will do a really good job on my 601 XL. They are oval shaped and have billows ( well you know ?) You might look at them for a nice fix to your aircraft. SW > [b] -------- W.R. &quot;Gig&quot; Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155218#155218


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    Time: 12:39:05 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
    Subject: Re: Jeep Shifter Boots
    > What model and year are they from? The way the description reads in the photo-share they are generic parts from a third-party: "It can be purchased from JB-Custom Fabrication on E-bay. This particular boot is used on certain Jeep models for the twin shifters. It costs around $26.50 plus shipping. Good news is you only need to buy one and carefully cut it in half. The following steps describe the installation: 1) Call up this Internet location > http://stores.ebay.com 2) Look for the following part > Twin stick shifter boot, Bronco / Jeep / Blazer / Scout(Embedded image moved to file: pic19629.gif) and order it." http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/charles.long@tds.net.12.23.2007/index.ht ml -- Craig


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    Time: 02:34:04 PM PST US
    From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
    Subject: Re: Snowmobile
    Most of the snowmobile dealers I deal with are SERIOUS motorheads and ra cers. They love the thought of pushing the envelope so the aircraft issu e is not a deal breaker. The Yamaha dealer I got my steering rod boots f rom was so impressed I had researched it to the point of knowing the pa rt number that they all wanted a ride in the "beast". They never had hea rd of experimental planes. It is fun to turn good people on to aviation and better yet the homebuilt side of it.. Happy New Year guys. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com> wrote: Hey Ben, back when I flew Gyros with Subarus and needed a part, you best not tell the dealer it was for an airplane, no sale. You think the sam e stupidity would be true with Snowmobile dealers? Larry, www.SkyHawg. ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ========= _____________________________________________________________ Become a pharmacy assistant. Click here to start your career now. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vg0IQJuD3rJKFzqVmR 5bNvlS2lQyp9qmwtltOFSaaafaW8K/


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    Time: 03:05:17 PM PST US
    From: "John Short" <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Insurance
    I noticed a post recently that just touched on the subject of insurance. Are there issues with insuring an exp. plane with a non-certified engine? If so how do you get around it. CREATIVE SIGNWORKS 1168 Byron Rd. Kaufman, Tx 75142 John & Mindy Short 972-962-7464 Cell: 214-240-3815 www.creative-sign-works.com creativesigns@embarqmail.com


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    Time: 03:22:46 PM PST US
    From: "JG" <vgstol@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Snowmobile
    Just tell them it's for a 'high-clearance' off-road vehicle that you're building. JG Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: n801bh@netzero.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snowmobile Most of the snowmobile dealers I deal with are SERIOUS motorheads and racers. They love the thought of pushing the envelope so the aircraft issue is not a deal breaker. The Yamaha dealer I got my steering rod boots from was so impressed I had researched it to the point of knowing the part number that they all wanted a ride in the "beast". They never had heard of experimental planes. It is fun to turn good people on to aviation and better yet the homebuilt side of it.. Happy New Year guys. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com> wrote: Hey Ben, back when I flew Gyros with Subarus and needed a part, you best not tell the dealer it was for an airplane, no sale. You think the same stupidity would be true with Snowmobile dealers? Larry, www.SkyHawg.com, N1345L www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List tronics.com/ _____________________________________________________________ Become a pharmacy assistant. Click here to start your career now.


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    Time: 03:41:40 PM PST US
    From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    John, It's not so much a "won't insure" a non-certified engine, but the insurer feels much better about good engine installation and documentation that provides enough inertia to get the Airworthiness Certificate after doing static run ups etc. These are a good standing indicator that the engine will provide reliable service. Some underwriters don't go for anything uncertified, but these aren't the people the Experimental types go to for insurance. Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus Subaru power at www.macsmachine.com John Short wrote: > I noticed a post recently that just touched on the subject of > insurance. Are there issues with insuring an exp. plane with a > non-certified engine? If so how do you get around it. > > > > CREATIVE SIGNWORKS > 1168 Byron Rd. > Kaufman, Tx 75142 > John & Mindy Short > 972-962-7464 > Cell: 214-240-3815 > www.creative-sign-works.com <http://www.creative-sign-works.com> > creativesigns@embarqmail.com <mailto:creativesigns@embarqmail.com>


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    Time: 04:12:56 PM PST US
    From: David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Aircraft Spruce Streamlined Tubing
    I do not know - sometimes I post and it comes up blank or with nonsense sayings like that one. [quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Be a better friend, newshound, and > [b] What does this mean? Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154301#154301 Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.


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    Time: 07:11:02 PM PST US
    From: "John Short" <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Can you suggest a couple of company's? I still have a ways to go but I would like to get an idea on the cost and have it lined up when I am ready. Also I have looked at your site and like what you have done. What is the cost on the radiator cowling kit? ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Insurance > > John, > It's not so much a "won't insure" a non-certified engine, but the insurer > feels much better about good engine installation and documentation that > provides enough inertia to get the Airworthiness Certificate after doing > static run ups etc. These are a good standing indicator that the engine > will provide reliable service. Some underwriters don't go for > anything uncertified, but these aren't the people the Experimental types > go to for insurance. > Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus Subaru power at www.macsmachine.com > > John Short wrote: >> I noticed a post recently that just touched on the subject of insurance. >> Are there issues with insuring an exp. plane with a non-certified engine? >> If so how do you get around it. >> >> CREATIVE SIGNWORKS >> 1168 Byron Rd. >> Kaufman, Tx 75142 >> John & Mindy Short >> 972-962-7464 >> Cell: 214-240-3815 >> www.creative-sign-works.com <http://www.creative-sign-works.com> >> creativesigns@embarqmail.com <mailto:creativesigns@embarqmail.com> > > >


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    Time: 07:42:08 PM PST US
    From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: test & fools
    do not archive "Randy, if you really want to test this thing, try saying something like "I would like to try an unimproved engine" or something like that. Then you will know if it works, I can guarantee it. And, you would start a very interesting dialog. Not too many of us are going to get into "test". Do not Archive, LRM www.skyhawg.com." OK, it's New Years Eve and you asked for it! The attached definition I found in a 1953 Webster's Collegiate Dictionary When I read it I couldn't dismiss the uncanny similarity between the levels of "fools" and the levels of Homebuilders and Pilots. But I am having trouble determining how the various definitions apply. At my home airport we have pilots and homebuilders who have: "lack of understanding and reason" "absence of powers which when developed make for intelligence" On our tower frequency we have many who are: "incapable of coherent speech" Watching them takeoff and land, they are obviously incapable of: "avoiding the common dangers of life" We have many who are completely supervised: "in his work and recreation" mostly by their wives! But after reading these definitions, I now know what it means when people come up to me and say: "Randy, you are a "NATURAL" Pilot! I always answer; "Duh, Uh, thank you, thank you very much, Duh". I've been trying to determine if the various levels of homebuiders, i.e.: Kitbuilder; building a professionally designed and furnished kit, Scrapbuilder; building a professional design from plans Amateur; who designs and builds his own airplane with no training, education or experience, correspond with any of the attached definitions? What a surprise that there are five distinct levels of "fools"! Where do we all fit in? Happy New Year and apologies in advance, Randy, Las Vegas, a "Natural" writer




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