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1. 05:18 AM - Engine performance for homebuilts (railridr dejazzd.com)
2. 05:20 AM - Rivet, Rivet ! (steve)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: Beginner (David Downey)
4. 05:34 AM - Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (David Downey)
5. 05:47 AM - Gift for my contribution (tigermiller)
6. 06:21 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Larry H)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (LarryMcFarland)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Insurance (LarryMcFarland)
9. 06:47 AM - Re: (David Downey)
10. 06:49 AM - You asked for it (Jaybannist@cs.com)
11. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? (David Downey)
12. 07:06 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (raymondj)
13. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: (Jaybannist@cs.com)
14. 07:11 AM - In receipt and thanks (robert stone)
15. 07:12 AM - Re: No Title (rroberts)
16. 07:15 AM - Re: Insurance (rroberts)
17. 07:18 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (bcchurch)
18. 07:27 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? (PatrickW)
19. 07:46 AM - Trailering (Jaybannist@cs.com)
20. 07:49 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (Larry Winger)
21. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Bill Pagan)
22. 07:54 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (Terry Phillips)
23. 08:09 AM - Re: You asked for it (Randy L. Thwing)
24. 08:11 AM - Re: InsuranceInsurance (Jim McBurney)
25. 08:12 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Paul Mulwitz)
26. 08:17 AM - Re: Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall pass through (dalemed)
27. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: (Bryan Martin)
28. 08:40 AM - Re: You asked for it (Bill Naumuk)
29. 08:49 AM - Re: Trailering (James Sagerser)
30. 09:24 AM - Re: Trailering (Jaybannist@cs.com)
31. 09:30 AM - Re: Engine performance for homebuilts (Ronald Steele)
32. 09:42 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (Jeff)
33. 09:55 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (steve)
34. 10:12 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (NYTerminat@aol.com)
35. 10:41 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (Matt Dralle)
36. 10:46 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Bryan Martin)
37. 12:12 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Larry H)
38. 12:50 PM - bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake (Tom Flanagan)
39. 12:50 PM - Re: Trailering (chris Sinfield)
40. 01:09 PM - Re: bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake (Bill Naumuk)
41. 01:34 PM - access panel (Carlos Sa)
42. 02:11 PM - weight and balance 101 (Southern Reflections)
43. 02:38 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (ROBERT SCEPPA)
44. 03:06 PM - Re: Insurance (Bill Steer)
45. 03:35 PM - Re: bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake (LarryMcFarland)
46. 04:29 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (steve)
47. 04:32 PM - Rudder Pedal Extension (Bill Naumuk)
48. 04:58 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Larry H)
49. 05:34 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (LarryMcFarland)
50. 05:54 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (David Downey)
51. 06:15 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (steve)
52. 06:16 PM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (robert stone)
53. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Trailer/ No Title (n801bh@netzero.com)
54. 07:17 PM - Re: InsuranceInsurance (n801bh@netzero.com)
55. 11:07 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
56. 11:14 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
57. 11:15 PM - damage whilst moving on a trailer (chris Sinfield)
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No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not perfect. My
aircraft will be close but it too is not perfect.
I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that brings me to this:
In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet. I really didnt mess
up a part or two but was unhappy with fit, looks, operation and for
other reasons.. whatever..
Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the aluminum after drilling
out the rivet. I bet all of Zenith builders have learned about
drilling out these things..
My real question for discussion is this: If the hole isnt perfectly
round after drilling, will the aluminum rivet fill the odd shape of the
new hole ? I say yes. Yes to a point.
I m not talking about a football shape, just an out of round hole..
I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer thousands of times in the
past and watched as the rivet conformed to the hole. I assume the pop
type rivets do the same...
Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about "things".
Steve 601XL QBK
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developed - as in calculated
> Actually "dl" is the length before bending.
What always throws me off is that it is past tense: developed length. You
would think they would name it "predeveloped length" :-)
-- Craig
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe? |
as long as you are going for a new combination, why not the russian gearbox that
air-trikes sells? They seem to be pretty robust and appear to be flying on many
different engines...
Hi Randy.
Two 701 builders here in Ottawa Cda are using the 4 cyl 4 cycle Yamaha
engine. One is out of a jet ski the other from a snowmobile. Someone in
Montreal built redrives for them. One a/c is due for completion in 2008 and
the engine has started ground testing.
The idea of using the Rotax gearbox is good in terms of reducing the risk of
using a combination of non aviation engine and newly designed redrive. In
terms of gear ratio, I believe they plan to run the Yamahas at about the
same RPM as the Rotax 912 (5800 to 6000). One limitation on the basic 701
design to consider is 200 lbs and 100 HP max for the engine. As far as
thrust loads on the engine and the mount I would also recommend including
gyroscopic loads generated by the engine, redrive and prop.
My brother, a snowmobile enthusiast, told me these engines have a good
reputation and Yamaha has released a three cylinder version that may even be
lighter and could also be a good match for the 701.
Carl/701/912
----- Original Message -----
From: "AB_Summit"
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it safe
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> (This is a cross posting from homebuiltairplanes.com, but I thought I
> would post it here as well to get input from you guys.)
>
> I've got an idea for a new engine redrive combination that as far as I
> know, no one has tried before. This is all hypothetical for the time being
> as I don't even have a plane to put it on, but I'm thinking of building a
> Zenith STOL CH-701 and I think this would be a good engine for that plane.
> I am not an engineer, or even a pilot yet, but I do enjoy building,
> fabricating, working with metalt, etc.
>
> My idea is to take a Yamaha four stroke, four cylinder snowmobile engine
> and adapt a Rotax gearbox redrive to it. This would be for my own personal
> use only and not for any commercial purpose. The engine is just under
> 1000cc's and produces 140HP in the carbureted version and 150HP in the EFI
> version, but I would derate it for aircraft use. The weight of the engine
> is 118 lbs. This engine is based on the R1 motorcycle engine, but doesn't
> have a gearbox like the motorcycle engine does. This engine has proven
> durable in snowmobiles that have been turbocharged and are making 300HP+.
>
> My method of adapting the redrive to the engine would be to machine an
> adapter ring and coupling. There is a ring of 6 bolts around the output
> shaft of the engine, I could make a plate that attaches to the engine
> using these 6 bolts and then drill and tap the plate to accept the Rotax
> gearbox bolt pattern and bolt the gearbox to the plate. Then I would need
> to do some machining to get the shafts couple properly.
>
> As I said in the title, my questions are would this be feasible, and would
> this be safe? My first thought is that if this was easy to do, somebody
> would have already done it, and since I haven't seen this combination
> before it makes me wonder if there is some problem I haven't thought of.
>
> To me the main concerns are whether the joint between the engine and
> gearbox would be substantial enough to handle the load put on it by the
> thrust of the propeller, and whether there would be any torsional
> vibration concerns that would damage the engine or the gearbox. There is a
> rubber cushion built into the Rotax C gearbox that would help absorb some
> of the vibration, and there is also a clutch that can be installed into it
> to uncouple the gearbox from the engine at low RPM's. I could also install
> some external bracing between the engine and gearbox to take some of the
> thrust loads. Another concern is designing an engine mount that is safe
> and will take all the loads put on it.
>
> If I were to go ahead with this, how could I ensure that my installation
> is safe? Should it be inspected by a mechanical engineer? I imagine having
> it looked at by an EAA tech counsellor would be a good idea as well.
>
> Are there any risks that I haven't though of that I should be aware of?
> I'd like to hear your thoughts as to whether this is doable and safe.
> Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like the
> Suzuki/Geo or go with the 912?
>
> Thanks
> Randy
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154524#154524
>
>
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Gift for my contribution |
Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I requested
the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
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Dave Miller
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
I would say that if the hole has become oblonged, you would be better off redrilling
it to the next larger sized rivet. The last thing I would want on my aircraft
is a sloppy rivet. If left go, I would certainly think that over time,
it would work its way loose and then you would have a "smoking rivet" (dark powder
around the loose rivet) and place for potential structural failure. Then
again, what do I know. I'm not an engineer nor an A & P. I would suggest
you call Zenith Air and ASK one of their engineers just to make positive sure.
Please let us know what they say about it.
Happy New Year everyone.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Gift for my contribution |
I was wondering the same thing Dave. It's been a while.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
tigermiller wrote:
>
> Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I requested
the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
>
> --------
> Dave Miller
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155313#155313
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John,
The insurer for my aircraft is Falcon from Kerrville, TX and they are
associated with EAA insurers.
On cooling, I make a fiberglass intake that's an add-on for the Zenith
company radiator kit. It smooths the air at the front edge,
slows it going in and smoothly deflects air around the bottom to create
a negative draft on the back side. The louvers are also
an add-on, but I provide a drawing for those who want to make their own
louvers. Cooling is improved by about 10-degrees F.
The intake is $180.00 and louvers are $50.00 plus $20.00 packaging and
mailing. I don't have a current price on the radiator kit
from Zenith. I'll be making more intakes in March of 2008. On
requesting these, don't send any money until I can email you to
say the product is complete and ready to ship.
Thank you for your inquiry
Good luck,
Larry McFarland
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John Short wrote:
> <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
>
> Can you suggest a couple of company's? I still have a ways to go but I
> would like to get an idea on the cost and have it lined up when I am
> ready.
>
> Also I have looked at your site and like what you have done. What is
> the cost on the radiator cowling kit?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland"
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Insurance
>
>
>> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>> John,
>> It's not so much a "won't insure" a non-certified engine, but the
>> insurer feels much better about good engine installation and
>> documentation that provides enough inertia to get the Airworthiness
>> Certificate after doing static run ups etc. These are a good
>> standing indicator that the engine will provide reliable service.
>> Some underwriters don't go for
>> anything uncertified, but these aren't the people the Experimental
>> types go to for insurance.
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus Subaru power at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>> John Short wrote:
>>> I noticed a post recently that just touched on the subject of
>>> insurance. Are there issues with insuring an exp. plane with a
>>> non-certified engine? If so how do you get around it.
>>>
>>> CREATIVE SIGNWORKS
>>> 1168 Byron Rd.
>>> Kaufman, Tx 75142
>>> John & Mindy Short
>>> 972-962-7464
>>> Cell: 214-240-3815
>>> www.creative-sign-works.com <http://www.creative-sign-works.com>
>>> creativesigns@embarqmail.com <mailto:creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
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>>
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Hi Jay;
Maybe use the trailer and sandbag it to the maximum load capacity with the plane
loaded? Then travel at 1:30-2:00 AM SLOOOOW?
Happy New Year
Listers,
I'm sure some of you have faced this: I am very near the point of moving my fuselage
to the airport. I planned on renting a truck to take it there. However,
I have not been able to find a rental truck that is wide enough for the main
gear. Most rental companies have trucks that are around 7'-6" wide. As you
know, the gear is a little over 8'-0" wide. I just don't think it is feasible
to transport the fuselage without the gear in place.
I have a small (Harbor Freight) trailer that is 4' x 8'. At one point, I designed
outriggers to support the main gear wheels, using the 2" x 2" steel tubes
bought for airplane construction. It fits, but I'm afraid that this trailer is
too light and would bounce too much and damage something.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
Any suggestions?
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | You asked for it |
My favorite:
There are four distinctly different intellectual types
Those who know and know they know
Those who know and know not they know
Those who know not and know they know not
Those who know not and know not they know not.
It's the last I try to avoid at all cost!
Happy New Year
Feliz Ano Nuevo
Prost Neujahr
Notice that you did not have to press #1 to get English.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is it |
safe?
just do not do the even number reduction ratio for starters...
Before I got an offer I couldn't refuse on all my VW stuff, I looked real
hard at the Yamaha Genesis 150 engine. It's a 4 cyl fuel injected 150 hp
engine. Here was my thinking. I like 4 cylinders vs 3 because it would run
smoother. I've had enough recent experience with rough running engines to
last me a life time. I even got and studied the wiring diagrams and
concluded that it would be easy to convert. The only sensor I would have to
trick is the rollover one. The rest of them are O2, altitude, you need
them anyway. You really wouldn't have to trick the rollover sensor, just
don't bank or fly upside down. These little engines are designed to run at
altitude, no icing, no carbs. I really can't think of a better natural
conversion for an airplane. The 150 hp is very misleading. That's at
around 8,000+ rpm and you don't want to run that very long. Max should be
about 6 with a 2-1 or better re-drive. I'm guessing you would get around
100-110 hp. Building the PRSU shouldn't be a real challenge. Somebody
probably has already built one. The way the trans is set up it would be
lend itself to a belt drive quite well. I was going to cross that when I
got there. My plan was to buy a brand new snowmobile, they are about 10k.
Strip out the engine and wiring harness/sensors, sell the rest on E-Bay,
hopefully get a couple of grand.
Those are just my thoughts and 2 cents worth.
To me what I discussed above is what this "Experimental" is all about.
Too bad they don't have a "Fake Experimental" for some folks. Yep, I know
I'm a smart ass. LRM, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland"
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Trying an unproven engine - is it feasible, is
it safe?
>
> I don't think a degree will put you any closer to resolving the problems
> of adapting a Yamaha. Examining "the numbers" needed to sustain power,
> minimize engine rpms
> and keep the prop engaged at the correct rpm at an appropriate total
> weight would get you there if you're an "engine guy". I'd suspect this
> one would be more appropriate
> for a lighter aircraft. Super horsepower claims can be made for the
> smallest engines, but most need excessive rpms and turbos to do any good
> and they become very
> thirsty in real operating conditions. The numbers are a shortcut that
> anyone can sort thru if one takes the time well before spending precious
> nickels.
>
> I'm rather impressed with the Suzuki though. Nice application and
> conversion. Better than a 912 in simplicity and much more economical.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
> NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
>> *Does that also apply to the Wright Brothers who were bicycle
>> mechanics???????????????*
>> In a message dated 12/29/2007 1:06:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
>>
>> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net
>>
>>
>> 2."Would I be better off going with a more proven conversion like
>> the Suzuki/Geo or go with the 912?"
>>
>> Statement 1 pretty much stands on it's own. There is no mention
>> that he has ANY experience with aircraft mechanics. He's not even
>> a pilot.
>>
>> Statement 2 seems to show that he is just trying to come up with
>> an aircraft he can fly. I will be anyone here $100 that should the
>> original poster ever try to build a 701 or any plane with the
>> engine he described it will never get off the ground.
>>
>> I'm hardly against conversion engines. But those that go about
>> designing such conversions need to either have at least some
>> experience with aircraft power plants or a real strong background
>> in engineering.
>> --------
>> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>> 601XL Under Construction
>> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154875#154875
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>
>
> --
> 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM
>
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Got my RVator book yesterday and I got and email saying it was mailed on
12/25.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tigermiller" <tigermiller1595@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:47 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gift for my contribution
>
> Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I
> requested the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
>
> --------
> Dave Miller
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155313#155313
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Dave, It looks like you are reading my mind! - Jay
David Downey <planecrazydld@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi Jay;
>
>Maybe use the trailer and sandbag it to the maximum load capacity with the plane
loaded? Then travel at 1:30-2:00 AM SLOOOOW?
>
>Happy New Year
>
>
>Listers,
>
>I'm sure some of you have faced this: I am very near the point of moving my fuselage
to the airport. I planned on renting a truck to take it there. However,
I have not been able to find a rental truck that is wide enough for the main
gear. Most rental companies have trucks that are around 7'-6" wide. As you
know, the gear is a little over 8'-0" wide. I just don't think it is feasible
to transport the fuselage without the gear in place.
>
>I have a small (Harbor Freight) trailer that is 4' x 8'. At one point, I designed
outriggers to support the main gear wheels, using the 2" x 2" steel tubes
bought for airplane construction. It fits, but I'm afraid that this trailer
is too light and would bounce too much and damage something.
>
>Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
>
>
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| Subject: | In receipt and thanks |
This message for bill of Georgia. I received your check for postage
today and also your nice long letter. Even though this part of Texas is
in the south, it's still cold here so since the heating system in my
ZodiacXL is not very efficient, I am not doing much flying. Stay in
touch and respond to this e-mail off net so I will have your e-mail
address. Let me know how the struts I sent work when you decide to use
them.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Hi Jay,
Believe it or not I called AAA. They came out with a roll back and the guy was
glad to do it. Tied it down and off we went. EASY load and unload. No problems.
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Rick
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I used Avemco.
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Rick
www.n701rr.com
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I received my contribution gift just a couple days ago - a HomeBuilt Help video.
Ben Church
CH801 - kit arriving next week
Racine, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? |
Craig.Spainhower(at)exelo wrote:
> There is an option to move the channel and pedals forward two inches. I moved
mine forward the full two inches and had to trim ~ 1/2" off the lower engine
mount fittings. I got a copy of drawing with the option from ZAC when I was there
picking up parts. It does make a big difference in leg room.
Does anyone have this drawing in pdf?
Thanks,
Patrick
XL/Corvair
N63PZ
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As some of you know, I am contemplating using my Harbor Freight trailer to move
my fuselage from home to the airport. The trailer is Model 90154, bed is 4'
wide by 8' long. It has 480-12 tires, 12" 4 lug wheels.
Since the trailer is so light, I want to load it to capacity with sand bags to
make the ride a little smoother.
The manual says that the Maximum Weight Capacity is 1,450 Lbs., and the Trailer
Weight is 266 Lbs.
So, can I carry 1,450 lbs; or 1,450 less 266 (1,184 lbs.)?
I'm sure I can't get an "official" answer on New Year's Day, so what do you guys
think?
Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
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I got my HomeBuiltHelp video several days ago. Thanks, Matt and Jon.
Larry Winger
On Jan 1, 2008 7:05 AM, raymondj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Got my RVator book yesterday and I got and email saying it was mailed on
> 12/25.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "Hope for the best,
> but prepare for the worst."
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tigermiller" <tigermiller1595@msn.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:47 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Gift for my contribution
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> tigermiller1595@msn.com>
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> > Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet?
> I
> > requested the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
> >
> > --------
> > Dave Miller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155313#155313
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This is how I moved my RV to the airport. The guy was very excited saying he never
towed an airplane. He took lots of pictures was very very careful with everything
and charged me $100 to go 40 miles.
Hi Jay,
Believe it or not I called AAA. They came out with a roll back and the guy was
glad to do it. Tied it down and off we went. EASY load and unload. No problems.
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
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Bill Pagan
Sonex Plans #927
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
Riverview, Florida
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| Subject: | Re: Gift for my contribution |
Mine came last Saturday, IIRC, so Matt, or whomever, must be working
through his list.
Terry
do no archive
At 05:47 AM 1/1/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I
>requested the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
>
>--------
>Dave Miller
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155313#155313
>
>
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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Another favorite of mine, stolen from a movie quote, I hear it at the
airport often:
"Oooh Randy; you are so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence."
Randy, Las Vegas
Off to the airport to try to repair the crumbling cowling of our Club 1958
C-172. Anyone have or know of a cowling or cowling parts for this ship?
www.eaa163.com click on "flying club" link.
Subject: Zenith-List: You asked for it
>
> My favorite:
>
> There are four distinctly different intellectual types
> Those who know and know they know
> Those who know and know not they know
> Those who know not and know they know not
> Those who know not and know not they know not.
>
> It's the last I try to avoid at all cost!
>
> Happy New Year
> Feliz Ano Nuevo
> Prost Neujahr
>
> Notice that you did not have to press #1 to get English.
>
> Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: InsuranceInsurance |
Here's an insurance agent who has expressed interest in working with
DeltaHawk users to furnish insurance. I don't know if they'll work with any
other engine types, but it might be worth a try.
http://www.johnsonins.com/aviation/default.htm or contact them at
800-477-IFLY (4359)
Blue skies and tailwinds to all
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
90% done 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Hi Steve,
First, let me ask if you really mean Pop rivet or Avex Rivet. If you
are using hardware store Pop Rivets then you might consider changing
your airplane into a lawn ornament and starting over.
Solid rivets do a nice job of filling whatever hole they are in when
they are squeezed or otherwise set in place. This also happens to
some degree with Avex rivets, but not nearly as much. The forces and
vectors (direction of forces) in the Avex rivet means most of the
force is used to form the "Shop" head, and very little goes to
deforming the tube to fill the hole. This may not be a problem, or
in cases where the hole is badly deformed the resulting bond could be too weak.
You should be able to drill out a rivet without causing any deformity
to the hole. I start with the smallest drill I have (#40) and use
the next larger drills while drilling part way through the rivet
until reaching the same size drill as the one that finished the rivet
hole before setting the rivet. This last drill will spin the head
off the rivet without even entering the hole. This is all done at
low speeds in my battery powered drill. (I doubt you would get such
good results in a high speed air drill.) You can then push the other
part of the rivet through the rest of the hole or pry it off from the
other side with pliers. Sometimes I use a lot of pushing force on an
undersized drill and that pushes out the other side while making a
larger hole in the doomed rivet.
If you are unhappy with the hole after drilling out the rivet then
the accepted practice is to drill out the hole to the next rivet size
and install a larger rivet in place of the one you just
removed. Another accepted practice is to install two rivets, one on
either side of the replaced one, with proper edge distances from the
old rivet hole and the other rivets in the line.
I'm sure you will get other opinions on this subject. It seems there
is not a whole lot of training for this operation, so we each develop
our own techniques.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:19 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:
>No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not perfect. My
>aircraft will be close but it too is not perfect.
>I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that brings me to this:
>In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet. I really didnt
>mess up a part or two but was unhappy with fit, looks, operation and
>for other reasons.. whatever..
>Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the aluminum after
>drilling out the rivet. I bet all of Zenith builders have learned
>about drilling out these things..
>My real question for discussion is this: If the hole isnt perfectly
>round after drilling, will the aluminum rivet fill the odd shape of
>the new hole ? I say yes. Yes to a point.
>I m not talking about a football shape, just an out of round hole..
>I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer thousands of times in
>the past and watched as the rivet conformed to the hole. I assume
>the pop type rivets do the same...
>
>Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about "things".
>
>Steve 601XL QBK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall pass |
through
I have over 1300 hours in taildraggers, and I'm now building a 601XL. One of the
big reasons for choosing this design is the stearable nose wheel. I'm tired
of fighting crosswinds while taxiing, or taking off, with brakes only.
I'm 6'3" tall and will move the pedals as far forward as I can (which the factory
tells me I can do). With that, and maybe thinner pads on the seats, I expect
to be very comfortable.
Happy New Year!
Dale
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I had a 24' Haulmark trailer that I built the plane in and used it to
transport the plane to the airport for final assembly. I had to leave
the fiberglass stabilizer tip fairings off because the stabilizer was
too wide to fit through the door otherwise. The fuselage fit in the
trailer just fine with the main gear installed and the nose facing the
rear. When I mounted the engine, the engine would extend past the rear
door so I had to put the plane in nose forward. The distance between
the wheel wells was just a bit too narrow for the main gear with the
wheels installed. I managed to fit the pane in the trailer by removing
the main gear axles and installing a pair of tool box wheels mounted
to short pieces of angle iron that I bolted to the inside of the main
gear spring. Then I just wheeled the fuselage into the trailer. I had
to put a ramp for the nose wheel to raise it up in order to lower the
rudder below ceiling level. With the tool box wheels installed, the
fuselage just happened to sit at the same attitude it did with the
main wheels installed.
Here's a picture of the fuselage with wings fitted before the engine
was mounted, you can see the tool box wheels installed:
Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
Listers,
I'm sure some of you have faced this: I am very near the point of
moving my fuselage to the airport. I planned on renting a truck to
take it there. However, I have not been able to find a rental truck
that is wide enough for the main gear. Most rental companies have
trucks that are around 7'-6" wide. As you know, the gear is a little
over 8'-0" wide. I just don't think it is feasible to transport the
fuselage without the gear in place.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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Randy-
Check with Wentworth Aircraft Parts.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: You asked for it
> <n4546v@mindspring.com>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Another favorite of mine, stolen from a movie quote, I hear it at the
> airport often:
>
> "Oooh Randy; you are so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence."
>
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
>
> Off to the airport to try to repair the crumbling cowling of our Club 1958
> C-172. Anyone have or know of a cowling or cowling parts for this ship?
>
> www.eaa163.com click on "flying club" link.
>
>
> Subject: Zenith-List: You asked for it
>
>
>>
>> My favorite:
>>
>> There are four distinctly different intellectual types
>> Those who know and know they know
>> Those who know and know not they know
>> Those who know not and know they know not
>> Those who know not and know not they know not.
>>
>> It's the last I try to avoid at all cost!
>>
>> Happy New Year
>> Feliz Ano Nuevo
>> Prost Neujahr
>>
>> Notice that you did not have to press #1 to get English.
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not Archive
>
>
>
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The tag on the tongue of the trailer will state the GVW (or GVWR)
which is the max weight including the trailer. However, I would
load the airplane and add sand bags until I could jump on the bed of
the trailer and feel it spring up and down without bottoming out the
springs. Should be about perfect.
On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
>
> As some of you know, I am contemplating using my Harbor Freight
> trailer to move my fuselage from home to the airport. The trailer
> is Model 90154, bed is 4' wide by 8' long. It has 480-12 tires,
> 12" 4 lug wheels.
>
> Since the trailer is so light, I want to load it to capacity with
> sand bags to make the ride a little smoother.
>
> The manual says that the Maximum Weight Capacity is 1,450 Lbs., and
> the Trailer Weight is 266 Lbs.
>
> So, can I carry 1,450 lbs; or 1,450 less 266 (1,184 lbs.)?
>
> I'm sure I can't get an "official" answer on New Year's Day, so
> what do you guys think?
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
> Do not archive
>
>
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James,
That's just what I needed to know. The tag on the trailer tongue lists GVWR and
GAVW as 1,450 Lb.
Since I don't know what my fuselage weighs, your "bounce" method is what I'll use.
Thanks again - Jay
James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net> wrote:
>
>The tag on the tongue of the trailer will state the GVW (or GVWR)
>which is the max weight including the trailer. However, I would
>load the airplane and add sand bags until I could jump on the bed of
>the trailer and feel it spring up and down without bottoming out the
>springs. Should be about perfect.
>
>
>On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote:
>
>>
>> As some of you know, I am contemplating using my Harbor Freight
>> trailer to move my fuselage from home to the airport. The trailer
>> is Model 90154, bed is 4' wide by 8' long. It has 480-12 tires,
>> 12" 4 lug wheels.
>>
>> Since the trailer is so light, I want to load it to capacity with
>> sand bags to make the ride a little smoother.
>>
>> The manual says that the Maximum Weight Capacity is 1,450 Lbs., and
>> the Trailer Weight is 266 Lbs.
>>
>> So, can I carry 1,450 lbs; or 1,450 less 266 (1,184 lbs.)?
>>
>> I'm sure I can't get an "official" answer on New Year's Day, so
>> what do you guys think?
>>
>> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Engine performance for homebuilts |
Wouldn't it be nice to find such a list! I'd that like to add that
predictable reliability is probably even more important than weight
and power. I know there is a lot a variation of installations, but
it seems something like this ought to be possible. Even comparing
the Rotax 912s and the Jab 3300 is hard, apparently there is only
about 5 lbs difference in most installations be the time you add
fluids to the Rotax, but you wouldn't necessarily know this looking
at the spec sheets online.
Especially now with the US dollar tanking and the lightweight foreign
engines becoming even farther out of reach, a normalized list of auto
conversions would be a huge help.
Ron
On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:17 AM, railridr dejazzd.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read lots of comments about using all types of engines in
> homebuilt aircraft.
>
> I realize that cost and size are very important considerations for
> most of us. However, I believe the two most important things are
> the complete engine package weight and the amount of thrust that
> the propellor can produce at 75% power. (ok this is a trade off
> with aircraft speed)
>
> There are many "common" engines installed on homebuilt aircraft as
> well as older Pipers and Cessnas such as Continental, Lycoming,
> Rotax, Subaru, Suzuki, VW and Corvair.
>
> Does anyone have a link to real weight/performance data for the
> various engines?
>
> John Rizzo
> 126 Main Street
> Oley, PA 19547
>
> 610-987-6674
>
> <railridr.vcf>
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My GATS fuel tester came a few days ago. It was mailed the day after
Christmas.
Jeff
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Winger
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Gift for my contribution
I got my HomeBuiltHelp video several days ago. Thanks, Matt and Jon.
Larry Winger
On Jan 1, 2008 7:05 AM, raymondj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
<mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net> >
Got my RVator book yesterday and I got and email saying it was mailed on
12/25.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "tigermiller" <tigermiller1595@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:47 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Gift for my contribution
<mailto:tigermiller1595@msn.com> >
>
> Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I
> requested the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
>
> --------
> Dave Miller
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Yes Avex rivets. I just use the aximoron of POP....
My holes are in no way a problem. I actually knew the answers on this
question but need reasuring, cause its lonely out here in Arizona...
Its just me and my aluminum parts.
Thanks for the replies...
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Hi Steve,
First, let me ask if you really mean Pop rivet or Avex Rivet. If you
are using hardware store Pop Rivets then you might consider changing
your airplane into a lawn ornament and starting over.
Solid rivets do a nice job of filling whatever hole they are in when
they are squeezed or otherwise set in place. This also happens to some
degree with Avex rivets, but not nearly as much. The forces and vectors
(direction of forces) in the Avex rivet means most of the force is used
to form the "Shop" head, and very little goes to deforming the tube to
fill the hole. This may not be a problem, or in cases where the hole is
badly deformed the resulting bond could be too weak.
You should be able to drill out a rivet without causing any deformity
to the hole. I start with the smallest drill I have (#40) and use the
next larger drills while drilling part way through the rivet until
reaching the same size drill as the one that finished the rivet hole
before setting the rivet. This last drill will spin the head off the
rivet without even entering the hole. This is all done at low speeds in
my battery powered drill. (I doubt you would get such good results in a
high speed air drill.) You can then push the other part of the rivet
through the rest of the hole or pry it off from the other side with
pliers. Sometimes I use a lot of pushing force on an undersized drill
and that pushes out the other side while making a larger hole in the
doomed rivet.
If you are unhappy with the hole after drilling out the rivet then the
accepted practice is to drill out the hole to the next rivet size and
install a larger rivet in place of the one you just removed. Another
accepted practice is to install two rivets, one on either side of the
replaced one, with proper edge distances from the old rivet hole and the
other rivets in the line.
I'm sure you will get other opinions on this subject. It seems there
is not a whole lot of training for this operation, so we each develop
our own techniques.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:19 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:
No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not perfect. My
aircraft will be close but it too is not perfect.
I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that brings me to this:
In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet. I really didnt
mess up a part or two but was unhappy with fit, looks, operation and for
other reasons.. whatever..
Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the aluminum after
drilling out the rivet. I bet all of Zenith builders have learned
about drilling out these things..
My real question for discussion is this: If the hole isnt perfectly
round after drilling, will the aluminum rivet fill the odd shape of the
new hole ? I say yes. Yes to a point.
I m not talking about a football shape, just an out of round hole..
I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer thousands of times in
the past and watched as the rivet conformed to the hole. I assume the
pop type rivets do the same...
Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about "things".
Steve 601XL QBK
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got mine the other day
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(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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| Subject: | Re: Gift for my contribution |
Larry, Dave, et al,
Most of the gifts shipped late last week with the exception of Archive CDs, Flight
Test Books, and Aircraft Main CDs. These remaining items should all go out
late this week, and you should receive an email tracking number when its on
its way.
Bob Nuckolls handles the distribution and shipping of the AeroElectric book directly
and I sent him the order around the first week of December. There were
quite a few AeroElectric Book orders this year, so it might take Bob a bit of
time to get them printed and shipped.
Thanks for your patience and Contribution!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 06:39 AM 1/1/2008 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>I was wondering the same thing Dave. It's been a while.
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
>tigermiller wrote:
>>
>>Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I requested
the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
>>
>>--------
>>Dave Miller
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
In my experience, the Avex rivets will do a fairly good job of filling
a slightly damaged hole. You should punch out the steel stem from the
rivet before attempting to drill it out, This makes it so much easier
and less likely to damage the hole.
On Jan 1, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Paul Mulwitz wrote:
>
> You should be able to drill out a rivet without causing any
> deformity to the hole. I start with the smallest drill I have (#40)
> and use the next larger drills while drilling part way through the
> rivet until reaching the same size drill as the one that finished
> the rivet hole before setting the rivet. This last drill will spin
> the head off the rivet without even entering the hole. This is all
> done at low speeds in my battery powered drill. (I doubt you would
> get such good results in a high speed air drill.) You can then push
> the other part of the rivet through the rest of the hole or pry it
> off from the other side with pliers. Sometimes I use a lot of
> pushing force on an undersized drill and that pushes out the other
> side while making a larger hole in the doomed rivet.
>
> If you are unhappy with the hole after drilling out the rivet then
> the accepted practice is to drill out the hole to the next rivet
> size and install a larger rivet in place of the one you just
> removed. Another accepted practice is to install two rivets, one on
> either side of the replaced one, with proper edge distances from the
> old rivet hole and the other rivets in the line.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
> At 05:19 AM 1/1/2008, you wrote:
>> No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not perfect. My
>> aircraft will be close but it too is not perfect.
>> I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that brings me to this:
>> In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet. I really didnt
>> mess up a part or two but was unhappy with fit, looks, operation
>> and for other reasons.. whatever..
>> Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the aluminum after
>> drilling out the rivet. I bet all of Zenith builders have learned
>> about drilling out these things..
>> My real question for discussion is this: If the hole isnt
>> perfectly round after drilling, will the aluminum rivet fill the
>> odd shape of the new hole ? I say yes. Yes to a point.
>> I m not talking about a football shape, just an out of round hole..
>> I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer thousands of times
>> in the past and watched as the rivet conformed to the hole. I
>> assume the pop type rivets do the same...
>>
>> Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about "things".
>>
>> Steve 601XL QBK
>>
>>
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal" (literally!)
and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and enjoy not only your aircraft
but to get away from home for a bit. The view outside should be great.....at
least better than here in Michigan! Its snowing and blowing outside. The
clouds have been so low we can't even THINK about getting off the ground! Has
been that way for several months now.....be glad you don't live here!
Larry
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| Subject: | bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake |
I've been having problems keeping the sheet from pushing back or sliding
between the angle iron on my brake. Could it be thatI have the top piece too
far back from the from the bottom. It's about an 1/8 ".
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I remember a while back someone was moving his XL fuse interstate and ended up
damaging the elevator and needed it replaced as it cut through the back spar.
I would like to read about it again, its on someones website but cannot remember
who, you guys come across it?? he ended up putting a rubber elevator stopper
on it .
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake |
Tom-
No, mine's at 1/8" back, too. Sounds more like your clamp bolts are
too far back, so the front edge of the top piece rocks up and doesn't
get a good bite. Either that or your angle has a curve at the front. The
only mod I'd make to Dave's design is to use a beefier hinge than the
aluminum.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Flanagan
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake
I've been having problems keeping the sheet from pushing back or
sliding between the angle iron on my brake. Could it be thatI have the
top piece too far back from the from the bottom. It's about an 1/8 ".
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Hello, listers
Thanks to the help from a number of listers (on this list and on the RV list),
I managed to make the access panel as I wanted - see attached picture.
Happy New Year!
Carlos Sa
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | weight and balance 101 |
Happy New Year to All ,and thank's to Matt for the DvD "weight and
balance 101 for the homebuilts" received mine today ....Joe N101HD
601XL/RAM
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
> There's always Bondo, many an aircraft hole was
> filled with it...Don not archive
--- steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not
> perfect. My aircraft will be close but it too is
> not perfect.
> I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that
> brings me to this:
> In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet.
> I really didnt mess up a part or two but was unhappy
> with fit, looks, operation and for other reasons..
> whatever..
> Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the
> aluminum after drilling out the rivet. I bet all
> of Zenith builders have learned about drilling out
> these things..
> My real question for discussion is this: If the
> hole isnt perfectly round after drilling, will the
> aluminum rivet fill the odd shape of the new hole ?
> I say yes. Yes to a point.
> I m not talking about a football shape, just an out
> of round hole..
> I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer
> thousands of times in the past and watched as the
> rivet conformed to the hole. I assume the pop type
> rivets do the same...
>
> Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about
> "things".
>
> Steve 601XL QBK
>
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My 601HD has a Stratus Subaru engine. My insurance, which I got through
Skysmith, had absolutely no issues with that engine.
Bill
John Short wrote:
> I noticed a post recently that just touched on the subject of
> insurance. Are there issues with insuring an exp. plane with a
> non-certified engine? If so how do you get around it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: bending stabilizer spar/Dave Clay brake |
Tom,
While you probably need to get a little better choke up on the bend
line, it sounds like your top beam isn't able to clamp effectively. I'd
look at that for the slide problem
and consider getting a tighter grip for a better radius. I always cut a
short piece, do a practice bend for a critical bend like this and then
repeat it when satisfied.
It'll save you a lot of material in the long run.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Tom Flanagan wrote:
> I've been having problems keeping the sheet from pushing back or
> sliding between the angle iron on my brake. Could it be thatI have the
> top piece too far back from the from the bottom. It's about an 1/8 ".
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Larry
I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
I would never finish a kit otherwise.
I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet. Painting
is not too far off....
The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main spar
bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar holes are
too big for the 5/16 bolts.
Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent new
3/8 bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out the
holes....
Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal"
(literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and enjoy
not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit. The view
outside should be great.....at least better than here in Michigan! Its
snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been so low we can't even
THINK about getting off the ground! Has been that way for several
months now.....be glad you don't live here!
Larry
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| Subject: | Rudder Pedal Extension |
All-
My rudder pedals are 1/2 installed, and I notice a lot of listers
that have aluminum toe extensions attached to the welded tubing.
Is there an actual print for that, or am I doomed to "That looks
about right" self design?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Sorry to hear your getting ONLY 53 there today. We are STILL under a Winter Storm
Warning (2nd day now) and the weatherman is predicting ANOTHER 3" TO 8" more
of snow tonight. Tomorrow, the temps are going down to single digits and then
the Lake Effect Snow is going to kick in over Lake Michigan. Most of times
that is really severe and we usually have white out conditions. Sometimes we
measure the lake effect snow in FEET. The 12" of snow we had last night is
going to be thrown all around when the strong winds that are predicted to hit
something later in the night. The snow we've had along with the high winds will
cause big snow drifts and I seriously think no one will be doing much traveling
tomorrow. Our temps are supposed to go back up into the low 40's next week,
which is strange for us this time of year. I'm about 30 northwest of South
Bend Indiana, just to give you some idea where I'm at. I'm really lucky because
I live on the south end of a private airstrip
that is 150' wide and 2650" long......its a sod strip but very nice. I just started
my rudder starter kit but I did order the tail section already from Zenith.
I'm building the 601 XL. It should be a perfect plane for around here.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Steve,
I'm surprised the spar would be held by 5/16-inch bolts. The transition
from 5/16ths to 3/8th shouldn't be a problem if you're wing's jigged well.
Drill undersize and ream, then bolt each progressively as you go.
Should be a draggy fit bolt to holes.
I made a drill/reamer guide for getting centered and aligned on the spar
plates. You might be able to do the same and help keep the drill/reamer
aligned.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/TJH/drillingguides/full/predrill-marking(2).gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> Larry
>
> I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
> I would never finish a kit otherwise.
> I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet.
> Painting is not too far off....
> The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main spar
> bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar holes
> are too big for the 5/16 bolts.
> Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent new
> 3/8 bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out the
> holes....
> Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
>
> Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
> Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Larry H <mailto:skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
>
> Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal"
> (literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and
> enjoy not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit.
> The view outside should be great.....at least better than here in
> Michigan! Its snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been
> so low we can't even THINK about getting off the ground! Has been
> that way for several months now.....be glad you don't live here!
>
> Larry
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
please tell me this is a joke - I hope so. You are right - and there have been
failures due to this practice...
If it was a joke please forgive my alarmist reaction - I could not tell....
> There's always Bondo, many an aircraft hole was
> filled with it...Don not archive
--- steve wrote:
> No I m not a frog. Just a 601 XL builder thats not
> perfect. My aircraft will be close but it too is
> not perfect.
> I dont think any machine is perfect. So,,, that
> brings me to this:
> In a "few" cases I ve had to drill out a pop rivet.
> I really didnt mess up a part or two but was unhappy
> with fit, looks, operation and for other reasons..
> whatever..
> Whats been on my mind is the hole left in the
> aluminum after drilling out the rivet. I bet all
> of Zenith builders have learned about drilling out
> these things..
> My real question for discussion is this: If the
> hole isnt perfectly round after drilling, will the
> aluminum rivet fill the odd shape of the new hole ?
> I say yes. Yes to a point.
> I m not talking about a football shape, just an out
> of round hole..
> I ve squeezed standard rivets with my squeezer
> thousands of times in the past and watched as the
> rivet conformed to the hole. I assume the pop type
> rivets do the same...
>
> Amazing how I wake up at night thinking about
> "things".
>
> Steve 601XL QBK
>
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Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Larry
I dont mind the enlarging of the holes to 3/8. Problem is that the 601 is
built. QBK came from the factory with the "defect". An easy fix ? Sure if
the airplane is apart. The QBK is pretty much done from the factory. The
factory assembled the whole airframe and the spar holes should have been
PERFECT!
How in the heck am I supposed to ream out these holes with the extremely
small amount of space in the fuselage ??????
If I owned Zenith, I d have one of my people on the next airliner headed to
my customers and fix the situation before a failure happened and a MAJOR
lawsuit happened...
I ve documented all correspondence with Zenith...
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
>
> Steve,
> I'm surprised the spar would be held by 5/16-inch bolts. The transition
> from 5/16ths to 3/8th shouldn't be a problem if you're wing's jigged well.
> Drill undersize and ream, then bolt each progressively as you go. Should
> be a draggy fit bolt to holes.
> I made a drill/reamer guide for getting centered and aligned on the spar
> plates. You might be able to do the same and help keep the drill/reamer
> aligned.
> http://www.macsmachine.com/images/TJH/drillingguides/full/predrill-marking(2).gif
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> steve wrote:
>> Larry
>> I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
>> I would never finish a kit otherwise.
>> I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet. Painting
>> is not too far off....
>> The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main spar
>> bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar holes are
>> too big for the 5/16 bolts.
>> Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent new 3/8
>> bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out the
>> holes....
>> Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
>> Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
>> Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Larry H <mailto:skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
>> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
>>
>> Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal"
>> (literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and
>> enjoy not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit. The
>> view outside should be great.....at least better than here in
>> Michigan! Its snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been
>> so low we can't even THINK about getting off the ground! Has been
>> that way for several months now.....be glad you don't live here!
>> Larry
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Steve,
Go through the existing holes with an 11/32 drill bit, then ream to
a tight fit.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Larry
I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
I would never finish a kit otherwise.
I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet.
Painting is not too far off....
The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main spar
bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar holes are
too big for the 5/16 bolts.
Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent new
3/8 bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out the
holes....
Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal"
(literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and enjoy
not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit. The view
outside should be great.....at least better than here in Michigan! Its
snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been so low we can't even
THINK about getting off the ground! Has been that way for several
months now.....be glad you don't live here!
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Trailer/ No Title |
Mine went to the airport on a roll back wrecker. Guy was overwhelmed w
hen he rolled into my driveway and saw a plane. He spent a good hour loa
ding, unloading, etc. Gave me a bill for 65 bucks. I gave him a 50 dolla
r tip. The pics he took of the move are hanging in the main office of th
e towing company. My 801 fit his rollback bed with a couple of inches to
spare in width. The good news is on a rollback it lifted my plane so hi
gh it went through the gate and over the fence at Jackson Hole Airport,
the plane went complete with the wings on it. The neighbors are used to
me doing crazy stuff.:<).
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "rroberts" <n701rr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jay,
Believe it or not I called AAA. They came out with a roll back and the
guy was glad to do it. Tied it down and off we went. EASY load and unl
oad. No problems.
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: InsuranceInsurance |
Deltahawk has actually shipped an engine to a builder???? I am SHOCKED !
!!!!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Jim McBurney" <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
Here's an insurance agent who has expressed interest in working with
DeltaHawk users to furnish insurance. I don't know if they'll work with
any
other engine types, but it might be worth a try.
http://www.johnsonins.com/aviation/default.htm or contact them at
800-477-IFLY (4359)
Blue skies and tailwinds to all
Jim
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Zenith-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Zenith-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Zenith-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Zenith-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
zenith-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "zenith-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Zenith-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Zenith-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/zenith-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Zenith-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Zenith-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Zenith-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Zenith-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Zenith-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Zenith
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | damage whilst moving on a trailer |
I remember a while back someone was moving his XL fuse Interstate and ended up
damaging the elevator and needed it replaced as it cut through the back spar.
I would like to read about it again, its on someones website but cannot remember
who, you guys come across it?? he ended up putting a rubber elevator stopper
on it .
Chris
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