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1. 12:54 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (steve)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer (flyingmike9)
3. 03:42 AM - 10,000 flight hours on Rotax (Brandon Tucker)
4. 04:48 AM - Re: InsuranceInsurance (dj45)
5. 04:50 AM - Rotax 10k hours (bob)
6. 04:51 AM - Rotax 10k hours (bob)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: Engine performance for homebuilts (special4)
8. 06:23 AM - prime aluminum (Bill Flick)
9. 06:38 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (robert stone)
10. 06:41 AM - Re: Gift for my contribution (Gig Giacona)
11. 06:52 AM - Re: prime aluminum (Gig Giacona)
12. 07:14 AM - Re: prime aluminum (LarryMcFarland)
13. 07:30 AM - Fw: Trailering (Dave Austin)
14. 07:40 AM - Re: prime aluminum (John Short)
15. 07:47 AM - Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer (Bill Sewell)
16. 07:47 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Extension (Bill Naumuk)
17. 08:45 AM - Re: Rotax 10k hours (Dave G.)
18. 08:57 AM - Re: prime aluminum (David Downey)
19. 09:06 AM - Re: Rivet, Rivet ! (Terry Phillips)
20. 09:32 AM - 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) (PatrickW)
21. 09:34 AM - Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (Les Goldner)
22. 09:57 AM - Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) (Clyde Barcus)
23. 10:16 AM - Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer (Iberplanes IGL)
24. 10:56 AM - Alternative Canopy Locking ?????? any ideas ??? (alex_01)
25. 11:07 AM - 601 xl flying in general (Juan Vega)
26. 11:20 AM - Re: Trailering (Mack Kreizenbeck)
27. 11:25 AM - Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (LarryMcFarland)
28. 11:26 AM - Re: 601 xl flying in general (Iberplanes IGL)
29. 11:33 AM - Re: Trailering (Gig Giacona)
30. 11:45 AM - Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (alex_01)
31. 11:51 AM - Alternate Canopy Latching System (robert stone)
32. 02:26 PM - Speaking of Canopy Latches (Gig Giacona)
33. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Canopy Gas Struts (Springs) (Gary Gower)
34. 04:23 PM - Mounting wheel pants? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
35. 04:28 PM - Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (NYTerminat@aol.com)
36. 04:40 PM - Re: Speaking of Canopy Latches (Edward Moody II)
37. 05:07 PM - Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
38. 05:07 PM - Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (Graeme)
39. 05:10 PM - Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? (dingfelder)
40. 05:16 PM - Re: Engine performance for homebuilts (kmccune)
41. 06:13 PM - Re: Mounting wheel pants? (steve)
42. 06:53 PM - Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS (ronlee)
43. 07:02 PM - Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) (PatrickW)
44. 07:13 PM - Re: Alternate Canopy Latching System (Christian Tremblay)
45. 08:05 PM - Re: Alternate Canopy Latching System (robert stone)
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Bob
Shouldnt I use a 23/64 bit? then ream ???
What kind of drill will fit down in the bildge under the seat?
The holes next to the fuselage side skins are so close that I ll need to
go out and purchase a small size drill motor...
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Steve,
Go through the existing holes with an 11/32 drill bit, then ream
to a tight fit.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Larry
I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
I would never finish a kit otherwise.
I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet.
Painting is not too far off....
The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main
spar bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar
holes are too big for the 5/16 bolts.
Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent
new 3/8 bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out
the holes....
Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the metal"
(literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and enjoy
not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit. The view
outside should be great.....at least better than here in Michigan! Its
snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been so low we can't even
THINK about getting off the ground! Has been that way for several
months now.....be glad you don't live here!
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| Subject: | Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer |
hello
it is on
bills sewells web site
http://www.n601bz.com/ch601xl/index.htm
cheers
mike
uk
601 xl fuse 95%
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| Subject: | 10,000 flight hours on Rotax |
Gents,
I wanted to share with you Rotax drivers that I was flying an MQ-1 Predator
over Iraq on Christmas eve when we topped 10,000 flight hours on the airframe,
all on a Rotax 914. Both of our other aircraft here are very close to the 10,000
hour mark as well. It amazes me every night how dependable the engine is
- on our 20+ hour missions.
-I thought you might like to know.
VR/
Brandon Tucker
601 HDS / TD / Corvair
125 hours
Balad, Iraq
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| Subject: | Re: InsuranceInsurance |
I'm with Ben, believe it when I see it.
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Dan Stanton
N9801S
99.9% Done & Flying
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Read Brandon's post regarding 10,000 hours on Rotax 914, amazing! As a
Rotax 912ULS and CH701SP driver I would really like to know more about
the service interval, oils used (synthetic or blended) and fuel type
(leaded or unleaded). I can't think of a more harsh environment and
experience gained there would be of great help to all the other Rotax
drivers here. Thanks to Brandon for the info..
Bob Kissell N701UB, Dayton Ohio
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Read Brandon's post regarding 10,000 hours on Rotax 914, amazing! As a
Rotax 912ULS and CH701SP driver I would really like to know more about
the service interval, oils used (synthetic or blended) and fuel type
(leaded or unleaded). I can't think of a more harsh environment and
experience gained there would be of great help to all the other Rotax
drivers here. Thanks to Brandon for the info..
Bob Kissell N701UB, Dayton Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: Engine performance for homebuilts |
John & Ron,
check www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/weights.htm. The engine list is not complete....
Peter
601XL
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i have my wings and tail feathers done and would like to know what i can
do to protect them while i finish other parts. should i clean these
parts real well and use etcher on them and then prime or what? thanks
bill 601 hds.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
Steve,
If you can get in there with an of/set drill head my suggestion of
the 11/32 drill bit would make the hole only 1/32 too small and provide
just enough meat to ream to a perfect tight fit. A 23/64 would work I
suppose but not leave much meat to remove and you could over ream. This
process requires a twist or two, then check with a 3/8 bolt until you
just about have to force it in.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Bob
Shouldnt I use a 23/64 bit? then ream ???
What kind of drill will fit down in the bildge under the seat?
The holes next to the fuselage side skins are so close that I ll need
to go out and purchase a small size drill motor...
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Steve,
Go through the existing holes with an 11/32 drill bit, then
ream to a tight fit.
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
----- Original Message -----
From: steve
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Larry
I m soooo glad I purchased a QBK.
I would never finish a kit otherwise.
I ve had the QBK since August and today pulled my LAST rivet.
Painting is not too far off....
The only real problem that I ve have with this 601 XL is the main
spar bolts. You might have read here about a week ago that my spar
holes are too big for the 5/16 bolts.
Zenith engineers told me how to solve the situation and they sent
new 3/8 bolts. I think its going to be a real pain trying to ream out
the holes....
Figured I finish everything first and then tackle the holes.
Im in Bullhead City ( 95 miles south of Las Vegas)
Its 53 degrees today, Brrrrr!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
Hey Steve, it sounds like you need to "put the pedal to the
metal" (literally!) and hustle up on your XL so you can GO SOMEWHERE and
enjoy not only your aircraft but to get away from home for a bit. The
view outside should be great.....at least better than here in Michigan!
Its snowing and blowing outside. The clouds have been so low we can't
even THINK about getting off the ground! Has been that way for several
months now.....be glad you don't live here!
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| Subject: | Re: Gift for my contribution |
I got mine Monday.
tigermiller wrote:
> Has anybody gotten their gift premium for their list contribution yet? I requested
the AeroElectric book, but haven't received it yet.
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: prime aluminum |
Assuming you are keeping them somewhere that they aren't going to be getting wet.
You really don't need to do anything. My wings have been happily sitting in
my hanger for a couple of years and before that the spent some time in a storage
building.
One thing I would suggest though is to seal up any openings so nothing moves in.
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: prime aluminum |
Bill,
I hung my parts in the garage ceiling and periodically wiped dust off
them. If you keep them dry, nothing will change the surface appearance,
save nylon belts or support
materials that have colored dye in them. My rudder had a stripe from
black nylon on it, but it was removed with a light rubbed scotch brite.
Clean, etch and rinse only prior to prime and paint. I'd not prime or
paint until needed.
Larry McFarland
Bill Flick wrote:
> i have my wings and tail feathers done and would like to know what i
> can do to protect them while i finish other parts. should i clean
> these parts real well and use etcher on them and then prime or what?
> thanks bill 601 hds.
> *
> *
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Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@primus.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trailering
> Jay,
> How far is the airport?
> I was able to tow my 601 from the airport and back from the tow hitch on
> my Jeep. Travelled on secondary roads for 20 miles each way with no
> sweat. About 20 mph max with the boss (wife) sitting in the back watching
> the rope connection!
> Traffic was very accomodating.
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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| Subject: | Re: prime aluminum |
Just my 2 cents but I have my rudder finished and wrapped in stretch
wrap to keep dust and bugs out off & out of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Flick
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: prime aluminum
i have my wings and tail feathers done and would like to know what i
can do to protect them while i finish other parts. should i clean these
parts real well and use etcher on them and then prime or what? thanks
bill 601 hds.
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| Subject: | Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer |
It is here
http://www.n601bz.com/ch601xl/Trailer/032106.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 1/2/08, chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> I remember a while back someone was moving his XL fuse Interstate and
> ended up damaging the elevator and needed it replaced as it cut through the
> back spar.
>
> I would like to read about it again, its on someones website but cannot
> remember who, you guys come across it?? he ended up putting a rubber
> elevator stopper on it .
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155491#155491
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extension |
All-
Thanks for the responses.
Bill
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder Pedal Extension
All-
My rudder pedals are 1/2 installed, and I notice a lot of listers
that have aluminum toe extensions attached to the welded tubing.
Is there an actual print for that, or am I doomed to "That looks
about right" self design?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 10k hours |
I'm pleased that Brandon's unit is getting such reliable service from
these engines, but I think you'll find that they do not use the same
engine for 10K hours. His message said they had 10K hours on the
airftame, which is remarkable but I think they change out the engines
for new on a regular schedule.
----- Original Message -----
From: bob
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax 10k hours
Read Brandon's post regarding 10,000 hours on Rotax 914, amazing! As
a Rotax 912ULS and CH701SP driver I would really like to know more about
the service interval, oils used (synthetic or blended) and fuel type
(leaded or unleaded). I can't think of a more harsh environment and
experience gained there would be of great help to all the other Rotax
drivers here. Thanks to Brandon for the info..
Bob Kissell N701UB, Dayton Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: prime aluminum |
Hi John;
be careful that water (condensate?) does not get between the shrink wrap and
the structure as it can mar the surface with a very fine corrosion and the steel
rivet mandrel stubs may rust.
John Short <creativesigns@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Just my 2 cents but I have my rudder finished and wrapped in stretch
wrap to keep dust and bugs out off & out of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Flick
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: prime aluminum
i have my wings and tail feathers done and would like to know what i can do to
protect them while i finish other parts. should i clean these parts real well
and use etcher on them and then prime or what? thanks bill 601 hds.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet, Rivet ! |
There are various close quarters drills and attachments available. I
purchased a used item from Brown Tool,
http://www.browntool.com/productselect.asp?ProductID=680
that attaches to my 3/8 electric drill chuck. The used item is a bit
beat-up, but functions just fine. Brown sells new ones in various price
ranges also. Like most of the really close quarters drills, it doesn't have
a chuck. Rather, it requires bits that are threaded 1/4"x28, which, of
course, Brown also sells, including very short (9/16"-long) bits for really
close quarters. Brown also sells collets which will grip regular drill bits
over a narrow range of diameters. (I put collets on my Christmas list for
#20 & #30. I haven't used them yet.) Though I am barely into wings, there
were a couple of spots on the tail where I used the close quarter drill. It
worked like a champ, but I think I'd want to practice a bit before I
drilled something thick and really critical like wing spar attachment.
Good luck and happy building!
Terry
At 07:37 PM 1/1/2008 -0700, you wrote:
>Bob
>
>Shouldnt I use a 23/64 bit? then ream ???
>What kind of drill will fit down in the bildge under the seat?
>The holes next to the fuselage side skins are so close that I ll need to
>go out and purchase a small size drill motor...
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:rstone4@hot.rr.com>robert stone
>To: <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:15 PM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rivet, Rivet !
>
>Steve,
> Go through the existing holes with an 11/32 drill bit, then ream to
> a tight fit.
>
>Bob Stone
>Harker Heights, Tx
>ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>----- Original Message -----
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) |
Could somebody who has a WW 601XL Motor Mount in hand confirm a dimension for me...?
I'd like to get verification of the distance from "pilot hole center to pilot hole
center" on 6B6-3 (the Firewall Side Stiffener).
Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I've attached a couple of drawings that
show exactly what I'm looking for.
I have calculated this distance needs to be 476 mm, and my pilot holes seem to
bear this out.
But still, I'd sure feel better if I knew for sure what the center-to-center distance
is on an actual Corvair motor mount actually is. I couldn't find this
in the archives anyplace, and I don't have an actual WW motor mount in hand yet
to measure for myself.
Thanks,
Pat
XL/Corvair
N63PZ
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| Subject: | Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
I have a few hours on my new 701 and could use some advice regarding maximum
RPM and prop pitch.
The prop manufacturer for my 3-blade Warpdrive suggested a 12-degree pitch.
Set at 12-degrees, the maximum RPM the 701 can develop is 5375-RPM. The
plane seems to fly well with this setting. At cruise RPM (4900-5000) is goes
85-90-MPH and at full RPM, lightly loaded, it will reach the do-not-exceed
speed in level flight and climbs over 1400'/minute.
I'm satisfied with the performance but am concerned that I can't get to the
maximum 5600-5800 RPM that Rotax suggests. Do you think I'm OK with the 5375
maximum RPM, or should I decrease the prop pitch?
Thanks for the help,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) |
Pat,
The motor mount I purchased from WW was not exactly the same as the holes in
my firewall which were to Zenith spec. I called William and he said the
mounts have some spring in them and to pull it into position, it worked just
as he said. I no longer have the Corvair engine and mount so I can't measure
how far it was out but I think it was about 2 or 3mm. I decided to go with a
Continental because my family said they would not fly with me if I used the
Corvair, not because of any concern on my part.
Regards.
Clyde Barcus
----- Original Message -----
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:31 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair)
>
> Could somebody who has a WW 601XL Motor Mount in hand confirm a dimension
> for me...?
>
> I'd like to get verification of the distance from "pilot hole center to
> pilot hole center" on 6B6-3 (the Firewall Side Stiffener).
>
> Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I've attached a couple of
> drawings that show exactly what I'm looking for.
>
> I have calculated this distance needs to be 476 mm, and my pilot holes
> seem to bear this out.
>
> But still, I'd sure feel better if I knew for sure what the
> center-to-center distance is on an actual Corvair motor mount actually is.
> I couldn't find this in the archives anyplace, and I don't have an actual
> WW motor mount in hand yet to measure for myself.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat
> XL/Corvair
> N63PZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155563#155563
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/xl_corvairfw_453.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wwmount_156.jpg
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: damage whilst moving on a trailer |
Hi Bill!
If I were you I will inspect and dismount the hole tail in order to find
cracks due to vibrations.
Take care.
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espa=F1a
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Sewell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: damage whilst moving on a trailer
It is here
http://www.n601bz.com/ch601xl/Trailer/032106.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 1/2/08, chris Sinfield <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
I remember a while back someone was moving his XL fuse Interstate
and ended up damaging the elevator and needed it replaced as it cut
through the back spar.
I would like to read about it again, its on someones website but
cannot remember who, you guys come across it?? he ended up putting a
rubber elevator stopper on it .
Chris
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| Subject: | Alternative Canopy Locking ?????? any ideas ??? |
Hello,
I am looking for an alternative Canopy opening Lock than the one shown on the pic.
would be nice to hear of any ideas - look for something a bit more streamlined
or flush
Thanks
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| Subject: | 601 xl flying in general |
Guys and Ladies and anything else,
I have been reading the past few weeks the emails from some trying to redesign
the 601xl. I am reporting to you now that I have 60 plus hours on the 601xl with
a Jabiru and some thoughts you should take as you complete your steeds:
These apply to the first time builders mostly, not the seasoned warriors on this
page:
1- Build the plane according to the blue prints, if you want to play around with
the design, be my guest just realize that a small change in plans, has a big
change in performance, not like a car!
2- The saying "a little is good and alot is better" does not apply to airplane
design. The designer did not double the thickness on the skin of the wings for
a reason. You are NOT building an RV or an EXTRA 300.
3- Fly the plane according to the specs, example- VNE 160, Manauvering speed 103,
cruise(NOT manauvering) speed 130, etc.
ITs OK to yank and bank, just do it at the right weight and speed. That applies
to any aircraft P-51 to a zenith. The design has a wide envelope of capabilities,
and yanking and banking at 93 mph with 20 gallons on board, is NOT doable
at cruise speed (130-140mph).
4- If the plane is telling you something, listen to it.
a flutter is not oil canning, etc.
5- The plane is not a TOY or a CAR, if you have doubts about your skills, treat
the plane appropriately.
I am now comfortable enough aftyer the fly off period to take my 4 year old on
weekend trips all over the south east. I waited until I was comfortable, and
I have 25 years of flying in me. Build the plane like you would want your kids
to fly in it.
6- the check list is your Best friend!
I have taken off too many times over the years in haste and forgotten things which
may have caused serious problems and if I had followed the check list for
preflight, I would not have had the problems.
Example- cover still on Pitot tube, hence no airspeed at take off, Engine burping
and stalling at take off, which was clearly caused by this pilot forgeting
to drain the water out of the tank. SAved by practicing to turn on pump and
switch the tanks, this would have been averted if I followed the check list!
The 601xl is a very fun plane to fly and this family enjoys it and will for years
to come. I now undterstand why this design has been around for over 25 years
and not much has changed on it. Reminds me of the Colt 45, used in the modern
day, but designed in 1905. What I mean to imply is, a good design is a great
design, when used in within the envelope it was designed for.
Happy New Year
Juan Vega and Family
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See pix for a suggestion!
I successfully pulled this close to 700+/- miles at freeway speeds -- 75+/-
across Nevada.
Did slow down for the bad winds that were encountered!
Mack
601XL/3300
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
Les,
The inability to get to the highest rpm the engine is capable of is
probably the wrong approach. You should consider that your performance
optimized
to an rpm that mixes fuel economy, low engine wear and less noise. I'd
increase the prop pitch to the lowest rpm that still reaches the
do-not-exceed
speed and still gives satisfactory climb with a passenger. Sounds like
you're close, but try 13 and then 14 degrees to see how performance changes.
Larry McFarland 601HDS with 17-degree pitch WD 3-blade 70-inch at
www.macsmachine.com
Les Goldner wrote:
>
> I have a few hours on my new 701 and could use some advice regarding
> maximum RPM and prop pitch.
>
> The prop manufacturer for my 3-blade Warpdrive suggested a 12-degree
> pitch. Set at 12-degrees, the maximum RPM the 701 can develop is
> 5375-RPM. The plane seems to fly well with this setting. At cruise RPM
> (4900-5000) is goes 85-90-MPH and at full RPM, lightly loaded, it will
> reach the do-not-exceed speed in level flight and climbs over
> 1400/minute.
>
> Im satisfied with the performance but am concerned that I cant get
> to the maximum 5600-5800 RPM that Rotax suggests. Do you think Im OK
> with the 5375 maximum RPM, or should I decrease the prop pitch?
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Les
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 601 xl flying in general |
Juan,
You are absolutely right. What else may I say? The before start checklists
is mandatory, that is what my instructor tolme before I did my first flight.
And it rules up to today.
Thanks a lot for your post.
Take care,
Alberto Martin
Iberplanes IGL
http://www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Espaa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601 xl flying in general
>
> Guys and Ladies and anything else,
>
> I have been reading the past few weeks the emails from some trying to
> redesign the 601xl. I am reporting to you now that I have 60 plus hours
> on the 601xl with a Jabiru and some thoughts you should take as you
> complete your steeds:
>
> These apply to the first time builders mostly, not the seasoned warriors
> on this page:
>
> 1- Build the plane according to the blue prints, if you want to play
> around with the design, be my guest just realize that a small change in
> plans, has a big change in performance, not like a car!
>
> 2- The saying "a little is good and alot is better" does not apply to
> airplane design. The designer did not double the thickness on the skin of
> the wings for a reason. You are NOT building an RV or an EXTRA 300.
>
> 3- Fly the plane according to the specs, example- VNE 160, Manauvering
> speed 103, cruise(NOT manauvering) speed 130, etc.
> ITs OK to yank and bank, just do it at the right weight and speed. That
> applies to any aircraft P-51 to a zenith. The design has a wide envelope
> of capabilities, and yanking and banking at 93 mph with 20 gallons on
> board, is NOT doable at cruise speed (130-140mph).
>
> 4- If the plane is telling you something, listen to it.
> a flutter is not oil canning, etc.
>
> 5- The plane is not a TOY or a CAR, if you have doubts about your skills,
> treat the plane appropriately.
>
> I am now comfortable enough aftyer the fly off period to take my 4 year
> old on weekend trips all over the south east. I waited until I was
> comfortable, and I have 25 years of flying in me. Build the plane like
> you would want your kids to fly in it.
>
> 6- the check list is your Best friend!
> I have taken off too many times over the years in haste and forgotten
> things which may have caused serious problems and if I had followed the
> check list for preflight, I would not have had the problems.
> Example- cover still on Pitot tube, hence no airspeed at take off, Engine
> burping and stalling at take off, which was clearly caused by this pilot
> forgeting to drain the water out of the tank. SAved by practicing to turn
> on pump and switch the tanks, this would have been averted if I followed
> the check list!
>
> The 601xl is a very fun plane to fly and this family enjoys it and will
> for years to come. I now undterstand why this design has been around for
> over 25 years and not much has changed on it. Reminds me of the Colt 45,
> used in the modern day, but designed in 1905. What I mean to imply is, a
> good design is a great design, when used in within the envelope it was
> designed for.
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Juan Vega and Family
>
>
>
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Well, if nothing else your plane doesn't have to worry about an STD during transport.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
Hi, i fly a 601xl with a 3 blade woodcomp and i have a very steep setting max
take of rpm 4600-4700rpm
climbes with approx 900-1000ft/min but has a very nice cruising at 110-115 knts
IAS with 4500-4600 rpm and approx 24hg MP
fuel com. approx 15ltr/hour
side effect with less rpm it is also quieter
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| Subject: | Alternate Canopy Latching System |
Netters,
Someone, (I think his name was Richard.) on this forum asked me to
describe how I changed my canopy latching system from the original
Zenith design. I am still trying to figure out why I lost everything in
my incoming mail but I did so for whoever that was, here is the
information you ask for.
Richard,
Of course I can, that's what this forum is all about. From picture
#1, look closely and you will see I had to make a space in the side
covering for the oak block. Also the block must be cut in such a was as
to fit the inside surface of the fuselage yet come up to the level of
the flange where the canopy comes down. The upper block is just a block
and requires no fitting however it must be thick enough where both
surfaces match (drawing below) In picture #3 the ring in the bottom of
the lower latch is clear. Be sure to buy the latches with the ring. In
picture #4 the safety pin is clearly seen, this is to insert in the ring
after the latch is latched to prevent opening. The safety pin is just a
large nail sawed off, one end flatted out and a hole for the string
drilled in it. After the two blocks are installed, the next step is to
power sand the two surfaces with the canopy closed so that the two
surfaces match.
Bob Stone
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| Subject: | Speaking of Canopy Latches |
In the Zenith designed latch system we have holes on the inside in case the wire
system won't open it so we can open it with a screw driver. What's the plan
if the system screws up when we are outside the aircraft?
It's one thing if it happens in you nice warm home base hanger but what about some
night when you land at a small unmanned airport for self-serve gas?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy Gas Struts (Springs) |
I am now building a 601 XL, Not yet in the canopy area... But one thing is important
in any airplane: Doesnt matter how overbuilt or extra safety is any
canopy or door lock of any airplane, will fail if the pilot will not follow
the checklists in every one of the points.
Also lets remember that only the wiser men can design simple and light.
Any one can desing a complicate and heavy what ever, just need to keep "thinking"
and adding ideas :-)
Now back... We all have to go through every check list routine the same every
time, from beguining to end, never forget or skip any point.... All are so
important that our life might depend on them.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
Thanks,
The point I was trying to make (and doing a poor job) was that based upon my neighbor's
experience, you can't close the cowl if it pops open after takeoff.
Plus I added the Caveat lector, "let the reader beware" about design and checklist...
I've never been in a 601 and I guess I should keep my mouth shut.
:)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701
Do Not Archive
[quote="rsteele(at)rjsit.com"]I think it's worth pointing out that, in fact, even
if the design is flawed, the designer of an experimental aircraft isn't responsible
for the airplane, the builder is. That's why it's an experimental. It's
a responsibility that's all to easy to ignore for us kit
builders, but it's the reality and something we shouldn't forget.
Sounds like there needs to be a checklist item for these latches -
another builder responsibility.
Perhaps we should all test the strut strength before installation.
This is the type of discussion that makes this list so valuable. It
must have been really lonely being a builder before the days of the
internet.
Ron
On Dec 26, 2007, at 10:00 AM, robert stone wrote:
>
>
> Tommy.
> You are right about one thing, the PIC is responsible for
> insuring that the canopy is latched prior to take off. However the
> designer/producer of the aircraft in question is responsible for
> insuring that his design is safe and airworthy and with as many
> reports as I have seen on this forum about canopies opening in
> Bob Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
>
> ---
--------
Tommy Walker
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| Subject: | Mounting wheel pants? |
Gang:
I am at the point to installing the inboard wheel pants hardware for the
new style 601XL wheel pants (5.00x5 tires). It seems to me that the
attachment points do not offer a lot of support to the pants, which is
backed up by the (subjectively) wobbly pants I have seen on many XL's,
and by the comparatively massive inboard pant brackets used on the (bit
faster) RV's.
I was considering riveting a horizontal arm to the .050 steel inboard
bracket, probably from 30mm wide x 0.090 aluminum, to place additional
#10 nutplates 4" forward and aft of the axle. There also would be .032
reinforcing plates, maybe 50 x 50 mm, riveted to the inside of the pants
at these points.
Anyone done something like this already and can report on effectiveness?
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
Les,
I would reduce the pitch slightly. I am assuming that your max RPM is 5375
in flight right? I would shoot for 5700- 5800 max in flight rpm. You should
be
getting approx 5350-5400 static RPM. Right now it seems you are over pitched
.
Congratulations on your first few hours of flight.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX / CH701/ 912S/ 140hrs
In a message dated 1/2/2008 12:36:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lgold@quantum-associates.com writes:
I have a few hours on my new 701 advice regarding maximum RPM and prop
pitch.
The prop manufacturer for my 3-blade Warpdrive suggested a 12-degree pitch
.
Set at 12-degrees, the maximum RPM the 701 can develop is 5375-RPM. The
plane seems to fly well with this setting. At cruise RPM (4900-5000) is goes
85-90-MPH and at full RPM, lightly loaded, it will reach the do-not-exceed
speed
in level flight and climbs over 1400=99/minute.
I=99m satisfied with the performance but am concerned that I can
=99t get to the
maximum 5600-5800 RPM that Rotax suggests. Do you think I=99m OK with
the 5375
maximum RPM, or should I decrease the prop pitch?
Thanks for the help,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of Canopy Latches |
Gig, what I did was to drill a hole slightly smaller than 3/8" through
the canopy outer flashing similar to the inside safety opening. I tapped
it and seal it closed with a hex socket screw and a bit of Loctite. I
figure if I'm "malfunctioned" out of the plane I can borrow an allen
wrench to get back in. Mybe I should add an allen wrench to my key ring?
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Gig Giacona
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Speaking of Canopy Latches
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
In the Zenith designed latch system we have holes on the inside in
case the wire system won't open it so we can open it with a screw
driver. What's the plan if the system screws up when we are outside the
aircraft?
It's one thing if it happens in you nice warm home base hanger but
what about some night when you land at a small unmanned airport for
self-serve gas?
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) |
I just measured mine and they are 475 mm center to center.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
My 701 rotax 912
usually two up on acceletation and climb gets 5600rpm a compromise of
climb and cruise 70-75 knots.
you should try for 5800 on acceleration and climb.
then check your other figures.
NB. two up every thing is much differant speed and climb wise
you should find in level flight you will over rev if you hold full
throttle.
Graeme cns
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS
Les,
I would reduce the pitch slightly. I am assuming that your max RPM is
5375 in flight right? I would shoot for 5700- 5800 max in flight rpm.
You should be getting approx 5350-5400 static RPM. Right now it seems
you are over pitched. Congratulations on your first few hours of flight.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX / CH701/ 912S/ 140hrs
In a message dated 1/2/2008 12:36:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lgold@quantum-associates.com writes:
I have a few hours on my new 701 advice regarding maximum RPM and
prop pitch.
The prop manufacturer for my 3-blade Warpdrive suggested a 12-degree
pitch. Set at 12-degrees, the maximum RPM the 701 can develop is
5375-RPM. The plane seems to fly well with this setting. At cruise RPM
(4900-5000) is goes 85-90-MPH and at full RPM, lightly loaded, it will
reach the do-not-exceed speed in level flight and climbs over
1400=99/minute.
I=99m satisfied with the performance but am concerned that I
can=99t get to the maximum 5600-5800 RPM that Rotax suggests. Do
you think I=99m OK with the 5375 maximum RPM, or should I decrease
the prop pitch?
Thanks for the help,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL - Making More Leg Room...? |
Pat,
I've been late in reading the list lately, so I'm slow in responding
to your post. I'm a tall feller and find my knees in the dash panel in
nearly every plane I climb into. The factory 601 wasn't the worst, but still
too tight for optimal comfort. I very carefully measured, calculated, and
consulted Zenith about repositioning the entire rudder channell forward to
fit me better. To fully evaluate this, you must look at the intended neutral
rudder pedal position, which is more aft than you might think. I ultimately
moved the entire assembly forward 60mm (2 3/8"). I can now sit in the
cockpit, and all is well. I had to shave the rudder pedals slightly to clear
the firewall in the most extreme position, and you would never encounter
this position in flight, only while braking during taxi. At 2" forward, even
this minor mod. wouldn't be necessary. My floor pan was predrilled, so I
had to fill the unused holes with rivets. My firewall slots were cut as per
plans, and still fit the steering rods exactly. Zenith had no problem at
all with this change.
Lynn
Corry, PA 601XL / Corvair
> Has anyone moved the Rudder Pedals or the Rear Bearing Channel (6B8-3)
> forward so as to provide increased leg room on the 601XL?
>
> Looking at the drawings, it appears there is little leeway to move the
> Rudder Pedals/bearings forward, hence the idea of moving the entire Rear
> Bearing Channel assembly forward.
>
> The obvious limit on the forward side would be interference with the
> firewall. Immediately aft of the firewall are the Lower Engine Mount
> Fittings (6B6-5). Perhaps the rearmost bolt through the Lower Engine
> Mount Fittings could also pass through the Rear Bearing Channel and still
> leave sufficient room for full rudder pedal travel?
>
> Has anyone done something similar? Any other ideas out there?
>
> Patrick
> XL/Corvair
> N63PZ
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155063#155063
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine performance for homebuilts |
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting wheel pants? |
Hi Andy
I thought the same when I installed my 601 XL pants. I didnt add a
brace like you mentioned but did think about it. I would do it if I
were doing it again. The pants are extremely thin and I wound up adding
extra layers of fiberglass inside to make the pants more ridged.
Steve
Bullhead City/Laughlin
A20
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Mounting wheel pants?
Gang:
I am at the point to installing the inboard wheel pants hardware for
the new style 601XL wheel pants (5.00x5 tires). It seems to me that the
attachment points do not offer a lot of support to the pants, which is
backed up by the (subjectively) wobbly pants I have seen on many XL's,
and by the comparatively massive inboard pant brackets used on the (bit
faster) RV's.
I was considering riveting a horizontal arm to the .050 steel inboard
bracket, probably from 30mm wide x 0.090 aluminum, to place additional
#10 nutplates 4" forward and aft of the axle. There also would be .032
reinforcing plates, maybe 50 x 50 mm, riveted to the inside of the pants
at these points.
Anyone done something like this already and can report on
effectiveness?
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Prop-pitch; 701 w/Rotax 912ULS |
I talked to Ronnie Smith, and my understanding is that dragging the engine down
too much can cause possible cracking of the crank case. In other words don't
pitch the prop so much that the engine can't wind up to near the recommended
RPM on full throttle.
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Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Motor Mount Dimension along 6B6-3 (Corvair) |
Afterfxllc wrote:
> I just measured mine and they are 475 mm center to center.
Excellent. That helps me. Thanks.
Upward and onward.
Pat
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Alternate Canopy Latching System |
Hi Robert,
I will be honest and direct with you.
I think your installation for canopy could be secure but very
uncomfortable
for yours passengers at the level of the shoulder and under certain
badly
circumstances, like an hard landing or incident of that kind could
injure
your passengers.
Chris
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De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de robert
stone
Envoy=E9 : Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:49 PM
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Objet : Zenith-List: Alternate Canopy Latching System
Netters,
Someone, (I think his name was Richard.) on this forum asked me to
describe how I changed my canopy latching system from the original
Zenith
design. I am still trying to figure out why I lost everything in my
incoming mail but I did so for whoever that was, here is the information
you
ask for.
Richard,
Of course I can, that's what this forum is all about. From picture
#1,
look closely and you will see I had to make a space in the side covering
for
the oak block. Also the block must be cut in such a was as to fit the
inside surface of the fuselage yet come up to the level of the flange
where
the canopy comes down. The upper block is just a block and requires no
fitting however it must be thick enough where both surfaces match
(drawing
below) In picture #3 the ring in the bottom of the lower latch is
clear.
Be sure to buy the latches with the ring. In picture #4 the safety pin
is
clearly seen, this is to insert in the ring after the latch is latched
to
prevent opening. The safety pin is just a large nail sawed off, one end
flatted out and a hole for the string drilled in it. After the two
blocks
are installed, the next step is to power sand the two surfaces with the
canopy closed so that the two surfaces match.
Bob Stone
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| Subject: | Re: Alternate Canopy Latching System |
Christian,
I have flown a good many hours with the canopy system shown in my
e-mail and also carried some 20 plus passengers and have yet to hear any
complaints.
Bob Stone
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Tremblay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Alternate Canopy Latching System
Hi Robert,
I will be honest and direct with you.
I think your installation for canopy could be secure but very
uncomfortable for yours passengers at the level of the shoulder and
under certain badly circumstances, like an hard landing or incident of
that kind could injure your passengers.
Chris
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De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de robert
stone
Envoy=E9 : Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:49 PM
=C0 : Zenith list
Objet : Zenith-List: Alternate Canopy Latching System
Netters,
Someone, (I think his name was Richard.) on this forum asked me
to describe how I changed my canopy latching system from the original
Zenith design. I am still trying to figure out why I lost everything in
my incoming mail but I did so for whoever that was, here is the
information you ask for.
Richard,
Of course I can, that's what this forum is all about. From
picture #1, look closely and you will see I had to make a space in the
side covering for the oak block. Also the block must be cut in such a
was as to fit the inside surface of the fuselage yet come up to the
level of the flange where the canopy comes down. The upper block is
just a block and requires no fitting however it must be thick enough
where both surfaces match (drawing below) In picture #3 the ring in the
bottom of the lower latch is clear. Be sure to buy the latches with the
ring. In picture #4 the safety pin is clearly seen, this is to insert
in the ring after the latch is latched to prevent opening. The safety
pin is just a large nail sawed off, one end flatted out and a hole for
the string drilled in it. After the two blocks are installed, the next
step is to power sand the two surfaces with the canopy closed so that
the two surfaces match.
Bob Stone
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