Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 03:10 AM - Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (kmccune)
2. 07:46 AM - First Flight - N5SL (Scott Laughlin)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (LarryMcFarland)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Joemotis@aol.com)
5. 08:05 AM - sealing fuel fittings (Gary Thomas)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (ashontz)
7. 08:15 AM - Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (ashontz)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Pramod Kotwal)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Juan Vega)
10. 08:30 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (wade jones)
11. 08:40 AM - Online built (pavel569)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (rroberts)
13. 08:48 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (ROBERT SCEPPA)
14. 08:53 AM - Re: Online built (Paul Mulwitz)
15. 09:06 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Christian Tremblay)
16. 09:09 AM - Re: Online built (ZodieRocket)
17. 09:17 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Terry Phillips)
18. 09:28 AM - Re: Online built (pavel569)
19. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall pass through (Terry Phillips)
20. 09:33 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Jaybannist@cs.com)
21. 09:43 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project ()
22. 09:47 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project ()
23. 09:50 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project ()
24. 09:55 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (ZodieRocket)
25. 10:03 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
26. 10:05 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (ZodieRocket)
27. 10:08 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 10:18 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (ROBERT SCEPPA)
29. 10:32 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project ()
30. 10:32 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Craig Payne)
31. 10:47 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (NYTerminat@aol.com)
32. 10:52 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (William Dominguez)
33. 10:56 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (David Downey)
34. 10:56 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (LarryMcFarland)
35. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (David Downey)
36. 11:00 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (ZodieRocket)
37. 11:03 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Larry H)
38. 11:07 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Craig Payne)
39. 11:22 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Larry Winger)
40. 11:24 AM - HELP- with 6-B-7 (Darrell Haas)
41. 11:36 AM - Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (ashontz)
42. 12:06 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Craig Payne)
43. 12:20 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Bryan Martin)
44. 01:19 PM - Re: Dimensions of CH701 (701flyer)
45. 02:02 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (steve)
46. 02:02 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
47. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Dimensions of CH701 (Craig Payne)
48. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (David Downey)
49. 03:10 PM - Re: Adding extra rib to rudder (ashontz)
50. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Dimensions of CH701 (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
51. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update (Ashcraft, Keith -AES)
52. 03:39 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (n801bh@netzero.com)
53. 03:53 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Edward Moody II)
54. 04:05 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Ronald Steele)
55. 04:39 PM - Re: Fuel Filter (dingfelder)
56. 04:46 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (LarryMcFarland)
57. 04:51 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Jugle)
58. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter (steve)
59. 05:13 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (cookwithgas)
60. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter (j. davis)
61. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (Bill Naumuk)
62. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (Jerry Latimer)
63. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (LarryMcFarland)
64. 06:44 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (LRM)
65. 06:45 PM - Re: sealing fuel fittings (Ron Lendon)
66. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (David Downey)
67. 07:29 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Ronald Steele)
68. 07:33 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Ron Lendon)
69. 07:34 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Ronald Steele)
70. 10:12 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Ronald Steele)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
What welder did you get? I guess it must work pretty well, but any drawbacks .
Anything that you really like about it.....
Kevin
--------
Kevin
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156288#156288
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | First Flight - N5SL |
Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern.
4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd l
ike to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me k
now.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. Mor
e to come!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL / Corvair
_________________________________________________________________
Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference
.
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
David,
Most of the people on this site will not be interested in buying parts
from someone other than their intellectual source, Zenith. The parts
you speak of are in Zenith inventory
and the build we enjoy is based on dealing with the company who's life
blood is totally dependent upon this enterprise. The Zenith people are
good people and we'd not appreciate anyone trying to convert their
intellectual property this way. During your construct, who would you
call when you had an engineering problem, or a quality problem, Zenith?
I think not!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will be
> making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
> interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
> parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
> know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
In a message dated 1/6/2008 7:48:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
What a proud moment for you, Scott!
Congratulations!!!
Joe Motis
do not archive
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | sealing fuel fittings |
In response to a couple of questions on sealing fuel fittings, here's what I used:
For the pipe threads I used loctite 567. It worked fine. I borrowed it from
someone who had done previous research on this; there may be other alternatives.
For sealing the fuel sender I used EZ Turn (its the new name for fuel lube) and
I got it from aircraft spruce. I spent several weeks of frustrating testing
before trying this stuff and it worked like magic. I'm pretty sure it was recommended
by someone in the archives.
Gary
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
When I make the real thing I'll do just that. Thanks.
I'm going to make a little tiny tank first and really pump it up (standing way
back of course) just out of curiosity. :)
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Keep the test pressures low, 2-3 psi if ya go much higher it will deform the
tank. Use bubble water in a spray bottle to find the leaks.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156320#156320
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
I bought the Harbor Frieght basic model acetylene torch kit for $100. I also picked
up a mini-torch from Harbor Freight just for the hell of it. I'm actually
using the jewelers torch. Like that better. Lighter and eaiser to use and has
smaller tips. Supplies from Tin Man tech and Fournier we're bad. The most expensive
thing there is the special lens which you need because the flux gives off
a lot of UV light.
Gas welding makes a lot cleaner weld than a MIG or stick for steel. Obviously you
can't use either for aluminum, but for an inexpensive way to weld aluminum,
gas welding works great!
I'll post some pixs of the welds themselves. They're not super pretty stacked dimes,
but they are complete penetration welds and they're fairly smooth along
the edge, no major melt points, so in essense, the welds themselves are even fairly
attractive, just not stacked dimes. I'm sure there's a techinique for that
I'll have to practice, but for now I'm happy with the welds. They look infinitely
better than when I first tried it.
kmccune wrote:
> What welder did you get? I guess it must work pretty well, but any drawbacks
. Anything that you really like about it.....
>
> Kevin
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156326#156326
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Scott,
Congratulations on your achievement.
Pramod Kotwal
Nitron, Inc.
Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Yesterday,
January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern. 4-years, 11-months
and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd like
to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me know.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. More to
come!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL / Corvair
---------------------------------
Watch Cause Effect, a show about real pMTV/?source=text_watchcause' target='_new'>Learn
more
---------------------------------
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
scott,
Nice JOb!
JUan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Jan 6, 2008 10:45 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight - N5SL
>
>Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern. 4-years,
11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
>
>Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd like
to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me know.
>
>Here is a picture of the magic moment:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
>
>I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. More to
come!
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>Omaha, Nebraska
>601XL / Corvair
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference.
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott ,You built a beautiful aircraft and your site has
been a great help to me .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Laughlin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight - N5SL
Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the
pattern. 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the
airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.?
I'd like to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please
let me know.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPGI have a shaky video but
need to get it off the camera before posting. More to come! Scott
Laughlinwww.cooknwithgas.comOmaha, Nebraska601XL / Corvair
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real
pMTV/?source=text_watchcause' target='_new'>Learn more
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I'd like to know your opinion. In about 2 weeks I'm going to start my Zodiac standard
kit construction and the plan is to use Camstream.com to build it live
with video/audio stream. I already have a tail kit and the rest should be arriving
in February or so.
The question is - is it a good idea? What I hope for is that someone who may be
watching the cam may see a mistake I'm going to make and can stop me from doing
it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156338#156338
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Great job Scott. Keep it safe up there. BTW..what's all that white stiff on the
ground?? [Wink]
--------
Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156340#156340
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
> How are you good at making lihtning holes??
--- skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701
> so guys, I will be making wing ribs and horizontal
> ribs and the like first. So anyone interested in
> taking a short cut and think you might want to buy
> some parts instead of making them I will be
> reasonable on pricing so let me know so I can make
> ones for you while I make them for myself.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Online built |
This sounds like an interesting idea, but there is one question that
comes to mind.
Who will spend the time to watch hours and hours of somebody else
building an airplane?
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 08:39 AM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
>I'd like to know your opinion. In about 2 weeks I'm going to start
>my Zodiac standard kit construction and the plan is to use
>Camstream.com to build it live with video/audio stream. I already
>have a tail kit and the rest should be arriving in February or so.
>The question is - is it a good idea? What I hope for is that someone
>who may be watching the cam may see a mistake I'm going to make and
>can stop me from doing it.
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Starting my 701 project |
David,
I agree with Larry comments you can=92t do that, offers to do pieces for
other
builders to save them costs or labour time. Zenith are one of the more
generous constructors who made fabrication and detail plans, and sell
it,
to permit to builders to do their pieces themselves.
You will be out of law if you doing that kind of services.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
_____
De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57 AM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will be
making
wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone interested
in
taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some parts instead of
making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me know so I can make
ones for you while I make them for myself.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
There has already been a build on the web by Tommy Walker. This will not
help you in any way in your building process. IT will be good for others
to see the process of building. However, the people who have been there
and done that will not be the ones watching. This will also slow your
building down, as you will have to answer questions and engage in
conversations that take time away from building. It's a good thing to
do, but it will be like having an open door policy at the hanger, anyone
will drop in and sit in your chair for a half a day talking to you
because they have nothing else to do. There is nothing wrong in this but
it is best done on scheduled days.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
do not arcive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pavel569
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Online built
I'd like to know your opinion. In about 2 weeks I'm going to start my
Zodiac standard kit construction and the plan is to use Camstream.com to
build it live with video/audio stream. I already have a tail kit and the
rest should be arriving in February or so.
The question is - is it a good idea? What I hope for is that someone who
may be watching the cam may see a mistake I'm going to make and can
stop me from doing it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156338#156338
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott!
Well done. Good luck with your flight test. I look forward to the video
from your rudder cam.
Terry
At 09:45 AM 1/6/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the
>pattern. 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
>
>Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd
>like to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me
>know.
>
>Here is a picture of the magic moment:
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Online built |
Mark,
it seems that I'll rethink it again before the start. I want to build more than
discuss, that is for sure.
Thanks
zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote:
> There has already been a build on the web by Tommy Walker. This will not
> help you in any way in your building process. IT will be good for others
> to see the process of building. However, the people who have been there
> and done that will not be the ones watching. This will also slow your
> building down, as you will have to answer questions and engage in
> conversations that take time away from building. It's a good thing to
> do, but it will be like having an open door policy at the hanger, anyone
> will drop in and sit in your chair for a half a day talking to you
> because they have nothing else to do. There is nothing wrong in this but
> it is best done on scheduled days.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> do not arcive
> --
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156355#156355
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Alternatives to the 601XL steering rod firewall |
pass through
Thanks to all who responded.
I think I've seen enough of both sides of the issue now to conclude that it
is probably not worth the effort (and risk) to design and build my own
castering nose wheel. To build the original design would be a whole lot
simpler, and simpler is, usually, better.
Terry
At 08:17 AM 1/1/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>I have over 1300 hours in taildraggers, and I'm now building a 601XL. One
>of the big reasons for choosing this design is the stearable nose
>wheel. I'm tired of fighting crosswinds while taxiing, or taking off,
>with brakes only.
>
>I'm 6'3" tall and will move the pedals as far forward as I can (which the
>factory tells me I can do). With that, and maybe thinner pads on the
>seats, I expect to be very comfortable.
>
>Happy New Year!
>
>Dale
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | First Flight - N5SL |
Scott,
Whether you are the first or not (I'll buy your claim), yours is a great milestone!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Jay in Dallas
Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern. 4-years,
11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
>
>Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd like
to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me know.
>
>Here is a picture of the magic moment:
>
>http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
>
>I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. More to
come!
>
>Scott Laughlin
>www.cooknwithgas.com
>Omaha, Nebraska
>601XL / Corvair
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference.
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
Larry, I have been watching your posts on here for a while. I must admit
your implication that I am stealing interlectual property is a insult. I am
just offering to help out if someone wants it. I did not post on here that I
am making a inventory to sell. I just said if anyone needs ribs while I am
making mine I would not mind helping out. I live right by Mr Heintz here at
Quality Sport Planes and have alot of respect for the guy and the company.
Now if helping someone out with parts and advice is stealing, well Larry get
off the list because you have been doing it for a while.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
>
> David,
> Most of the people on this site will not be interested in buying parts
> from someone other than their intellectual source, Zenith. The parts you
> speak of are in Zenith inventory
> and the build we enjoy is based on dealing with the company who's life
> blood is totally dependent upon this enterprise. The Zenith people are
> good people and we'd not appreciate anyone trying to convert their
> intellectual property this way. During your construct, who would you call
> when you had an engineering problem, or a quality problem, Zenith? I
> think not!
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
>> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will be
>> making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
>> interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
>> parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
>> know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
>> David Mikesell
>> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
>> Cloverdale, CA 95425
>> 209-224-4485
>> skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
>
>
>
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for years!!!!!
Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for and not broken
any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch of people. I am
just offering to help while I build mine, that is it. You speak of
technical support violation, parts violation and such,...........well
guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think the guys are a great
help) Homebuilt help is selling technical support and its not Zenith. I
am just building and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people
who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Tremblay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
David,
I agree with Larry comments you can't do that, offers to do pieces for
other builders to save them costs or labour time. Zenith are one of the
more generous constructors who made fabrication and detail plans, and
sell it, to permit to builders to do their pieces themselves.
You will be out of law if you doing that kind of services.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57 AM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will be
making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
I have flanging dies.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
>
>> How are you good at making lihtning holes??
> --- skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
>
>> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701
>> so guys, I will be making wing ribs and horizontal
>> ribs and the like first. So anyone interested in
>> taking a short cut and think you might want to buy
>> some parts instead of making them I will be
>> reasonable on pricing so let me know so I can make
>> ones for you while I make them for myself.
>>
>> David Mikesell
>> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
>> Cloverdale, CA 95425
>> 209-224-4485
>> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
>> www.skyguynca.com
>
>
>
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>
>
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Starting my 701 project |
There is a difference between two guys sharing the work of construction
of a plans built plane and someone building parts to sell directly.
David, are these parts of your own design? Or are you using the design
of Chris Heintz to make your parts? Do you have a different wing for the
701? No?
I noticed you are in Cloverdale California so have you told Michael
Heintz, the son of the designer that you are going to retail parts you
have made from his fathers designs. Thus possibly stealing from both
Michael Heintz and his father.
As a distributor, Michael is obligated as we all are to support the
builders with valid serial #'s and don't get me wrong it is one of the
best things I do all day, I enjoy talking to builders and helping as
much as possible. The plans that are bought are from Michael and all
other Distributors are the Royalties paid to the designer. SO if a
Distributor can sell a few parts then he is compensated for the time he
spends in helping others through the decision and building process.
Chris Heintz has always wanted people to be able to afford his designs,
sometimes it just involves more work and time. Therefore, for the most
part builders are able to build from plans.
Then we have people Like Dave that want to make some money, either to
offset the costs of there own building or to profit. I guess the only
real answer to this is to ensure that no future plans are made
available, only kits!
I hope it never comes to that but it is a growing trend, if we as a
building community don't get upset at these actions of individuals, or
try to stop it then we can kiss our future plans building projects
good-bye. Even I have made this decision. In making floats I have
invested a great amount in tooling and invested a huge sum of time. I
will not be releasing the plans until I have recovered the cost, and
since I wish to keep my prices as low as possible it will be a very long
time before I, if ever release plans. This decision is a direct
reflection from discussions on this list.
You can argue the ownership of intellectual property all you want. The
final result is no more plans available for new models, maybe when the
new design is 10 years old It may be time to release the plans as a
company is gearing up for there next release.
I never hear from 801 people about making parts for others, or of 801
copies. Funny that it is the only kit from Zenith that only comes with a
builders manual and not a set of plans.
This has not come to pass yet, or has it. The patriot is a LSA only? I
would like to see plans for new models become available, but if asked by
the company today I would say not to release the plans.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701
> so guys, I will be making wing ribs and horizontal
> ribs and the like first. So anyone interested in
> taking a short cut and think you might want to buy
> some parts instead of making them I will be
> reasonable on pricing so let me know so I can make
> ones for you while I make them for myself.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
This has been beat to death about a month ago and both sides are right so
give it a rest.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Starting my 701 project |
As for Homebuilthelp.com . Are you delusional ? Surly if you have his
scratch built DVD then you should realize that his DVD=92s are
encouraged
as educational. Not as offering to sell parts to others, which in your
first post is all you did. You did not say you were going to teach
people you stated that you were willing to sell parts that you have made
from the Zenith plans.
Also when was the last time you or ANYONE has seen a bill for technical
support from Zenith. The HomebuiltHELP DVD=92s are a support to the
Zenith
factory and community by reducing Tech support calls. Helping others
understand the process.
I may have miss read your intentions and you may genuinely wanted to
just help some people out, but you should re-think your first letter.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
HYPERLINK
"mailto:president@can-zacaviation.com"president@can-zacaviation.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.can-zacaviation.com/"www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for years!!!!!
Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for and not broken
any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch of people. I am
just offering to help while I build mine, that is it. You speak of
technical support violation, parts violation and such,...........well
guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think the guys are a great
help) Homebuilt help is selling technical support and its not Zenith. I
am just building and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people
who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
HYPERLINK "mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com"skyguynca@skyguynca.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.skyguynca.com"www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:cj.tremblay@videotron.ca"Christian Tremblay
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
David,
I agree with Larry comments you can=92t do that, offers to do pieces for
other builders to save them costs or labour time. Zenith are one of the
more generous constructors who made fabrication and detail plans, and
sell it, to permit to builders to do their pieces themselves.
You will be out of law if you doing that kind of services.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
HYPERLINK "http://www.zodiac640.com/"http://www.zodiac640.com/
_____
De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57 AM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will be
making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
HYPERLINK "mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com"skyguynca@skyguynca.com
HYPERLINK "http://www.skyguynca.com"www.skyguynca.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
h
ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
Hi David,
I want to tell you that it is not everyone on the list that thinks
you are violating laws. It is a small, but loud, group of people who
don't have any clue about law or business. That doesn't stop them
from expressing their opinions.
I am all for free speech and I would fight for everyone's right to
express their ideas. On the other hand, I am painfully tired of
listening to all the people who think they can invent laws to protect
Zenith aircraft designs and services.
If indeed there were such laws, I would like to know what government
agency enforces the laws. Do you go to your local policeman to get
this law enforced? What does the law say? What is the penalty for
violating it?
If the law were as protective of designs as some of these people
think, then nobody would ever be able to use a wheel since that was
invented by someone else a long time ago. Indeed, there are wheels
on Zenith designed airplanes so they must be in violation of this law too.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 09:47 AM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
>Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
>laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for
>years!!!!! Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for
>and not broken any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch
>of people. I am just offering to help while I build mine, that is
>it. You speak of technical support violation, parts violation and
>such,...........well guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think
>the guys are a great help) Homebuilt help is selling technical
>support and its not Zenith. I am just building and offering to knock
>out a few extra ribs for people who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
>
>David Mikesell
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
> I would think that if a guy wanted to build from
> scratch, he would be building from scratch or he
> would buy the kit. Why would he spend more time
> bulding extra parts? I know from my own 701 project
> that it took a while just to make my own parts, but
> did make tools that help me get over the hurdles. I
> wouldn't mind sharing ideas with anyone. Thats what
> homebuilding is about. Do not archive...
--- skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
> <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>
> Larry, I have been watching your posts on here for a
> while. I must admit
> your implication that I am stealing interlectual
> property is a insult. I am
> just offering to help out if someone wants it. I did
> not post on here that I
> am making a inventory to sell. I just said if anyone
> needs ribs while I am
> making mine I would not mind helping out. I live
> right by Mr Heintz here at
> Quality Sport Planes and have alot of respect for
> the guy and the company.
> Now if helping someone out with parts and advice is
> stealing, well Larry get
> off the list because you have been doing it for a
> while.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
>
>
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
> >
> > David,
> > Most of the people on this site will not be
> interested in buying parts
> > from someone other than their intellectual source,
> Zenith. The parts you
> > speak of are in Zenith inventory
> > and the build we enjoy is based on dealing with
> the company who's life
> > blood is totally dependent upon this enterprise.
> The Zenith people are
> > good people and we'd not appreciate anyone trying
> to convert their
> > intellectual property this way. During your
> construct, who would you call
> > when you had an engineering problem, or a quality
> problem, Zenith? I
> > think not!
> >
> > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> >
> >
> > skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
> >> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a
> 701 so guys, I will be
> >> making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like
> first. So anyone
> >> interested in taking a short cut and think you
> might want to buy some
> >> parts instead of making them I will be reasonable
> on pricing so let me
> >> know so I can make ones for you while I make them
> for myself.
> >> David Mikesell
> >> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> >> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> >> 209-224-4485
> >> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> >> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Un/Subscription,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>
> Forums!
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok people, I am not the Devil incarnate!!!!!!!!!! All
I said was I was building ribs for the wings, horizontal and tail and if
anyone needed some while I was making mine I would help. That is all, I
never said I was making a inventory to sell. You guys get a grip.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: ZodieRocket
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
As for Homebuilthelp.com . Are you delusional ? Surly if you have his
scratch built DVD then you should realize that his DVD's are encouraged
as educational. Not as offering to sell parts to others, which in your
first post is all you did. You did not say you were going to teach
people you stated that you were willing to sell parts that you have made
from the Zenith plans.
Also when was the last time you or ANYONE has seen a bill for
technical support from Zenith. The HomebuiltHELP DVD's are a support to
the Zenith factory and community by reducing Tech support calls. Helping
others understand the process.
I may have miss read your intentions and you may genuinely wanted to
just help some people out, but you should re-think your first letter.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:47 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for years!!!!!
Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for and not broken
any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch of people. I am
just offering to help while I build mine, that is it. You speak of
technical support violation, parts violation and such,...........well
guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think the guys are a great
help) Homebuilt help is selling technical support and its not Zenith. I
am just building and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people
who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Tremblay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
David,
I agree with Larry comments you can't do that, offers to do pieces
for other builders to save them costs or labour time. Zenith are one of
the more generous constructors who made fabrication and detail plans,
and sell it, to permit to builders to do their pieces themselves.
You will be out of law if you doing that kind of services.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57 AM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will
be making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="h
ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
- The Zenith-List Email Forum - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
- - List Contribution Web Site -
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Starting my 701 project |
When I bought my kit and plans from Zenith I signed a legally enforceable
contract. I'm including a quote from it below.
BUT throwing around words like "theft" and "breaking the law" just overheats
the issue. NOBODY is trying to, or going to get rich building kit planes.
Accept the offer in the spirit it was given. Ask David to run his idea past
Zenith - it is their rights we are arguing about. I'm certain David respects
Zenith as a company otherwise he would not be trusting them with his LIFE.
"2. This contract permits the buyer to build one airplane or part of it in
the Custom-Built, Experimental, Ultralight, etc. category. The type of
aircraft and the Drawings serial number must be visibly marked on the
vertical tail or fuselage sides of the aircraft. The buyer is advised that
the Drawings, Manuals, and/or parts contain proprietary rights. The buyer
covenants and agrees that he will not: a) Reproduce, b) Communicate, c)
Transfer, sell, exchange or modify them or any part of them, d) Permit any
other person to use said drawings, manual, and/or parts, without the written
permission of the Company. The sole purpose of the plans, drawings, manuals,
and parts is strictly educational and there is no implied or expressed
warranty. During the construction the buyer is to cause the structure and
installations to be inspected and approved by the relevant government and/or
aviation authority (FAA). The Buyer agrees to notify the Company in writing
immediately of the sale of any Drawings and Manuals, parts, components, or
kit, whether completed or not, supplying the complete name and address of
the new owner(s)."
-- Craig
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Big Congratulations Scott!!!!
Do not archive
In a message dated 1/6/2008 10:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern.
4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulation Scott!
Not sure if your 601XL is the first scratch built to fly, at least is the only
one I know. But for sure, yours is the first scratch built, Corvair powered
and BRS fitted that takes to the skies. You can surely claim that one. I've been
following your project from your web site since you where buiding your wings.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom/ Site still a work in progress.
Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
.hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's
first flight around the pattern. 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started
work on the airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd like
to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me know.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. More to
come!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL / Corvair
---------------------------------
Watch Cause Effect, a show about real pMTV/?source=text_watchcause' target='_new'>Learn
more
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congrats Scott. Way to go! Be careful and have the time of your life!
Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Yesterday,
January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the pattern. 4-years, 11-months
and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd like
to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me know.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. More to
come!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL / Corvair
---------------------------------
Watch Cause Effect, a show about real pMTV/?source=text_watchcause' target='_new'>Learn
more
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
David,
At the header of my page, it says "*(I do */*not*/* make part(s) that
Zenith sells or that are representative of Zenith proprietary product
inventory.)"
*There have been other offers like yours, and as well meant as it
sounded it just isn't the correct thing to do. We're talking about
parts here, not advice.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
>
> Larry, I have been watching your posts on here for a while. I must
> admit your implication that I am stealing interlectual property is a
> insult. I am just offering to help out if someone wants it. I did not
> post on here that I am making a inventory to sell. I just said if
> anyone needs ribs while I am making mine I would not mind helping out.
> I live right by Mr Heintz here at Quality Sport Planes and have alot
> of respect for the guy and the company. Now if helping someone out
> with parts and advice is stealing, well Larry get off the list because
> you have been doing it for a while.
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryMcFarland"
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 7:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
>
>
>> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>> David,
>> Most of the people on this site will not be interested in buying
>> parts from someone other than their intellectual source, Zenith. The
>> parts you speak of are in Zenith inventory
>> and the build we enjoy is based on dealing with the company who's
>> life blood is totally dependent upon this enterprise. The Zenith
>> people are good people and we'd not appreciate anyone trying to
>> convert their intellectual property this way. During your construct,
>> who would you call when you had an engineering problem, or a quality
>> problem, Zenith? I think not!
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>>
>> skyguynca@skyguynca.com wrote:
>>> Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will
>>> be making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So
>>> anyone interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to
>>> buy some parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on
>>> pricing so let me know so I can make ones for you while I make them
>>> for myself.
>>> David Mikesell
>>> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
>>> Cloverdale, CA 95425
>>> 209-224-4485
>>> skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>>> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
>>
>
>
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
perhaps initially use pressurized water. no risk of explosion with water.
When I make the real thing I'll do just that. Thanks.
I'm going to make a little tiny tank first and really pump it up (standing way
back of course) just out of curiosity. :)
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Keep the test pressures low, 2-3 psi if ya go much higher it will deform the
tank. Use bubble water in a spray bottle to find the leaks.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156320#156320
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Message 36
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Starting my 701 project |
Paul, you are right, but these replies have less to do with the letter
of the law then the ethics of the individual and there intent. If we all
believed in the letter of the law and ethics did not play a role in
decisions then you would not see any designer provide plans for his
aircraft. Nor would you see any future plans become available. I fight
for the future plans builders, which right now is in more jeopardy then
you can believe and there are some really great designs on the board for
the future. I have no problem with someone making parts for a friend and
vice versa sharing jobs to complete there aircraft.
Each of us have signed a Builders Agreement to get our plans, Line 2
states this
This contract permits the buyer to build one airplane or part of it in
the Custom-Built, Experimental, Ultralight, etc. category. The type of
aircraft and the Drawings serial number must be visibly
marked on the vertical tail or fuselage sides of the aircraft. The buyer
is advised that the Drawings, Manuals, and/or parts contain proprietary
rights. The buyer covenants and agrees that he will not:
a) Reproduce, b) Communicate, c) Transfer, sell, exchange or modify them
or any part of them, d) Permit any other person to use said drawings,
manual, and/or parts, without the written permission of the Company.
I am old fashioned and truly believe that a mans handshake and signature
is his ethical bond. IF I sign a document that says I cannot use a
persons design to sell his parts without expressed permission then maybe
I shouldn=92t, legal or not, I have signed my name to it. So after
reading the line from the contract Paul, do you still feel it is right
to make a part from the plans and sell it in any way? I am at a loss, I
cannot force my views upon you or anyone and all my ramblings here on
this subject are just that they are my opinion, but god I hope more
people out there share my view then yours.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Mulwitz
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Hi David,
I want to tell you that it is not everyone on the list that thinks you
are violating laws. It is a small, but loud, group of people who don't
have any clue about law or business. That doesn't stop them from
expressing their opinions.
I am all for free speech and I would fight for everyone's right to
express their ideas. On the other hand, I am painfully tired of
listening to all the people who think they can invent laws to protect
Zenith aircraft designs and services.
If indeed there were such laws, I would like to know what government
agency enforces the laws. Do you go to your local policeman to get this
law enforced? What does the law say? What is the penalty for violating
it?
If the law were as protective of designs as some of these people think,
then nobody would ever be able to use a wheel since that was invented by
someone else a long time ago. Indeed, there are wheels on Zenith
designed airplanes so they must be in violation of this law too.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 09:47 AM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for years!!!!!
Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for and not broken
any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch of people. I am
just offering to help while I build mine, that is it. You speak of
technical support violation, parts violation and such,...........well
guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think the guys are a great
help) Homebuilt help is selling technical support and its not Zenith. I
am just building and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people
who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
David Mikesell
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List"http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 37
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
Hey Dave,
I strongly urge you to just FORGET trying to help these people out. They aren't
worth getting your shorts in a bunch and driving your blood pressure through
the roof. I learned my lesson last week, that's why I rarely post anything
on here any longer. Its more a BASHING TIME on here rather than trying to help
someone out, OR they just want to be make really STUPID and ludicrous statements
back and forth. It ends up being just a damned pissing match.......(OH,
did I just say that???? Ask me if I'm sorry....go ahead, I dare you. Ban me....I
really don't give a good rats ass either......damn, I did it again, didn't
I???)
Like I said Dave, these people aren't worthy of your help. I only drop on here
when I'm not working on my plane......maybe they need to be working on their's
too instead of flapping their traps, eh??
Larry H
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Message 38
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott. Do you have any W&B figures?
-- Craig
Message 39
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Scott,
What a great accomplishment! Your fellow scratch builders can appreciate
the tremendous amount of work this represents...and we all owe you a big
"thanks" for such a great website. Congratulations.
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
Scratchbuilding 601XL/Corvair
Wings done! Working on the fuselage
Do not archive
Message 40
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | HELP- with 6-B-7 |
Help! I am working on my fuse-601 firewall. I look at my plans 6-B-7 and
make the slots for the steering rods R=7 and 130 apart left and right and 35
from the bottom. I think I'm pretty much done until I find an 8 1/2 x 11
drawing from the previous owner dated 08/07. It has the slots R=9 and they
start 57 from the bottom and they have a 6-B-7-4 slide cover and 6-B7-5
steering Box Slide on the drawing. My plans do not show 6-B-7-4 or 6-B-7-5
and they were not provided in my fuse kit. And by the way I could not fond
this new drawing on the Zenith web site. It came from Caleb. Anyone out
there have the same problem or have an answer?
Darrell
601 xl fuse
N723DD reserved
Message 41
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
No message for some reason.
do not archive
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
> [b]
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156391#156391
Message 42
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | HELP- with 6-B-7 |
The slides are used on the AMD-built 601XL. Zenith in Mexico, MO doesn't
show them on the kit plans although the online parts catalog does show the
parts you describe here (but when I asked don't actually offer them for
sale):
www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/parts6xb13.pdf
The dimension shown on 6-B-7 work fine but they are taller than they need to
be with the latest parts. I don't know if your kit has this but Zenith added
a stop ring on to the nose gear tube. See 6-G-1, dated 03/06. The ring is 95
mm down from the bottom of the cross tube where the steering rods connect.
Because the nose gear bottom bearing V-block (6G2-1) is 20 mm thick at its
narrowest the nose gear cannot move farther than 95-20 or 75 mm up and down.
This means that IF YOU WANTED A PERFECT FIT the slot would only need to be
75 mm plus the diameter of a steering rod (5/16 inches or 8 mm) - total 83
mm. So the 130 mm height (plus two 7 mm radiuses) called out on 6-B-7 seems
excessive.
This is an area of complex geometry. Even with the nose gear not moving up
and down the steering rods still move up and down and left and right. They
move up and down due to the radius that the bolts on the rudder pedals
travel through as the pedals move fore and aft. And they move left and right
as the bolts on the nose gear cross tube move through their radius as the
nose rear turns left and right. If you want the slot to be the absolute
minimum size then wait until the pedals are installed and the nose gear in
place to trim the slots. But search the archives - there are many ways to
seal the slots.
If you want to add a stop ring Larry McFarland sells an add-on one. See:
www.macsmachine.com/images/Itemsforsale/full/travel-stop-and-stear-link.gif
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Haas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: HELP- with 6-B-7
Help! I am working on my fuse-601 firewall. I look at my plans 6-B-7 and
make the slots for the steering rods R=7 and 130 apart left and right and 35
from the bottom. I think I'm pretty much done until I find an 8 1/2 x 11
drawing from the previous owner dated 08/07. It has the slots R=9 and they
start 57 from the bottom and they have a 6-B-7-4 slide cover and 6-B7-5
steering Box Slide on the drawing. My plans do not show 6-B-7-4 or 6-B-7-5
and they were not provided in my fuse kit. And by the way I could not fond
this new drawing on the Zenith web site. It came from Caleb. Anyone out
there have the same problem or have an answer?
Darrell
601 xl fuse
N723DD reserved
Message 43
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 |
I believe the S-LSA version of the XL built by AMD in Georgia includes
the steering slot covers to seal the steering rod penetrations through
the firewall. This may be one of the requirements of the consensus
standards for S-LSA. That may be what the 8 1/5 x 11 sheet is showing.
The plans for the homebuilt kit from Zenith did not include these parts
and sealing the slots was left to the discretion of the builder. If you
have already cut your steering slots, don't worry, they will probably
work fine. You may want to find some way of sealing up the slots so that
air can't enter the cabin through them in flight. Check the list
archives and search for "steering slots" or "steering rod" and you will
find several suggestions for sealing the slots, this subject has been
discussed at length on the list in the past. Click on the list navigator
link at the bottom of this message then click on the archive search
engine link. Or go to: http://www.matronics.com/search/ There are also
photos of some of the solutions in the photoshare archives.
Darrell Haas wrote:
> Help! I am working on my fuse-601 firewall. I look at my plans 6-B-7
> and make the slots for the steering rods R=7 and 130 apart left and
> right and 35 from the bottom. I think I'm pretty much done until I find
> an 8 1/2 x 11 drawing from the previous owner dated 08/07. It has the
> slots R=9 and they start 57 from the bottom and they have a 6-B-7-4
> slide cover and 6-B7-5 steering Box Slide on the drawing. My plans do
> not show 6-B-7-4 or 6-B-7-5 and they were not provided in my fuse kit.
> And by the way I could not fond this new drawing on the Zenith web site.
> It came from Caleb. Anyone out there have the same problem or have an
> answer?
> Darrell
> 601 xl fuse
> N723DD reserved
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
Message 44
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Dimensions of CH701 |
I may be a bit ahead of myself but I have been looking into a capable trailer before starting to build. I want to be able to put a 701 into a Weekend Warrior such as this one, wings removed of course. http://www.warriormfg.com/Floorplan/08CR-flpln-lg.gif
I hope to have the nose gear go up on a centerline ramp so as to clear the tail
thru the 7' cargo entrance.
Can anyone provide the tip of spinner to center of nose gear dim?
The wife and I want to be snowbirds and have living quarters and trans for the
701 all in one package. There is a county campground in the desert of San Diego
County that is open only during winter. There is a county maintained 2500' asphalt
runway across the street from it that no one (but me it seems) ever uses.
It is L54 and the campground is also named Agua Caliente.
Thanks....[/u]
--------
Building soon...I hope!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156411#156411
Message 45
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
I sell nose wheel strut fairings on eBay and in no way is it illegal.
These fairings are not offered by Zenith or anybody else. I too just
wanted to help other builders get their project finished easier..
Steve W.
----- Original Message -----
From: skyguynca@skyguynca.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for years!!!!!
Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for and not broken
any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a bunch of people. I am
just offering to help while I build mine, that is it. You speak of
technical support violation, parts violation and such,...........well
guys (by the way I have all the DVDs and think the guys are a great
help) Homebuilt help is selling technical support and its not Zenith. I
am just building and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people
who need them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Tremblay
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
David,
I agree with Larry comments you can't do that, offers to do pieces
for other builders to save them costs or labour time. Zenith are one of
the more generous constructors who made fabrication and detail plans,
and sell it, to permit to builders to do their pieces themselves.
You will be out of law if you doing that kind of services.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
Envoy=E9 : Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:57 AM
=C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com
Objet : Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
Ok well I am bitting the bullet and starting a 701 so guys, I will
be making wing ribs and horizontal ribs and the like first. So anyone
interested in taking a short cut and think you might want to buy some
parts instead of making them I will be reasonable on pricing so let me
know so I can make ones for you while I make them for myself.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 46
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
I think that a lot of people are missing the point as to why Zenith sells
plans. I am not sure and have no way of knowing the number of plans they have
sold but I would be willing to bet it is a lot more than the planes that have
been built using them. Bottom line is they make money selling them. Just like
all aircraft kit manufactures make money selling the tail kit cheap because
they know the majority of builders wont finish the rest of the plane and can't
afford the whole kit at one time.
I think Mark has a bias view and is one of the most outspoken about this. It
is my opinion that if I bought the plans I can get my parts where ever I want
to. I can pay the welding shop to weld my parts for me or the engine shop
to rebuild my engine. If someone out there takes the time to make the forms and
buy the dies then why should I have to be forced to do the same thing if
another builder will make them for me and save me the time and money. If both
builders have a set of plans then Zenith has no bitch. Mark seems to want it
both ways you buy the plans but must buy any parts from zenith when it clearly
states you can make one part per plan and if two builders get together with
two sets of plans then wouldn't that be 2 parts???? Even if one of them makes
a little money from it to recoup his tooling costs? Bottom line is both
builders only made 1 part.
I just ordered another kit Friday so I do support zenith but I also have a
set of scratch built plans and I plan to make templates of the parts from the
kit so i can build one from scratch also but the parts I can't make I will buy
from zenith unless another builder and I can get together and I can make my
parts cheaper and I see nothing wrong with that.
I think a better way to do this would be to RENT out your forms and dies and
let the builder make his parts from them. That way no one has a bitch
because Zenith doesn't loan out their forms.
Jeff
another 601 on the way
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Message 47
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Dimensions of CH701 |
Hey, I've stayed at that camp site and never realized there was an airstrip
so near. Thanks! I'll add it to my list of future strips to visit.
I wonder why the strip is there?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 701flyer
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dimensions of CH701
I may be a bit ahead of myself but I have been looking into a capable
trailer before starting to build. I want to be able to put a 701 into a
Weekend Warrior such as this one, wings removed of course.
http://www.warriormfg.com/Floorplan/08CR-flpln-lg.gif
I hope to have the nose gear go up on a centerline ramp so as to clear the
tail thru the 7' cargo entrance.
Can anyone provide the tip of spinner to center of nose gear dim?
The wife and I want to be snowbirds and have living quarters and trans for
the 701 all in one package. There is a county campground in the desert of
San Diego County that is open only during winter. There is a county
maintained 2500' asphalt runway across the street from it that no one (but
me it seems) ever uses. It is L54 and the campground is also named Agua
Caliente.
Thanks....[/u]
--------
Building soon...I hope!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156411#156411
Message 48
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
I know. I could see it on the sent message though...
I said: perhaps initially use pressurized water. no risk of explosion with water.
On the tiny tank. Like someone else pointed out almost no pressure will distort
your real tank when it is done.
No message for some reason.
do not archive
[quote="planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co"]Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
> [b]
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156391#156391
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Message 49
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Adding extra rib to rudder |
A couple of drain holes wouldn't be a bad idea either.
reinkings(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I'm considering fabricating an "end" rib to close the open area at the
> bottom of the leading edge of the rudder? Would this create any problems?
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156439#156439
Message 50
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Dimensions of CH701 |
701flyer,
I have done some CAD work to see if I could get the 701 into a 24' Ryder truck.
There is no problem at all. Plus, there is some room to spare. I have done just
what you are wanting to do. I will build a ramp for the nose gear before the
tail gets inside, and the way the Ryders are made the nose gear can set down
in a saddle for the trip (since the door is lower than the roof)
If you want I can try to send you a DXF, DWG, TCW, PRT, etc... formatted file of
some crude drawings.
Good Luck with building!!!!!
Keith
ch01builder@yahoo.com
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
Temp. 5F (wanting it to warm up a little to spray parts with Primer-anti-corrosion
spray)
***************************************************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of 701flyer
Sent: Sun 1/6/2008 2:18 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dimensions of CH701
I may be a bit ahead of myself but I have been looking into a capable trailer before starting to build. I want to be able to put a 701 into a Weekend Warrior such as this one, wings removed of course. http://www.warriormfg.com/Floorplan/08CR-flpln-lg.gif
I hope to have the nose gear go up on a centerline ramp so as to clear the tail
thru the 7' cargo entrance.
Can anyone provide the tip of spinner to center of nose gear dim?
The wife and I want to be snowbirds and have living quarters and trans for the
701 all in one package. There is a county campground in the desert of San Diego
County that is open only during winter. There is a county maintained 2500' asphalt
runway across the street from it that no one (but me it seems) ever uses.
It is L54 and the campground is also named Agua Caliente.
Thanks....[/u]
--------
Building soon...I hope!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156411#156411
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note
that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient
should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT
accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this
e-mail.
Message 51
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update |
I good method for a low pressure source is to use a balloon. It keeps a couple
of psi on the tank without distorting, then....... you can have your fun with
high pressure. I used to use our compressor for tanking dents out of motorcycle
gas tanks all the time. (of course the dents we not from my driving and wipeing
out)
Keith
*************************************************************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of ashontz
Sent: Sun 1/6/2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Welded Fuel Tanks Update
When I make the real thing I'll do just that. Thanks.
I'm going to make a little tiny tank first and really pump it up (standing way
back of course) just out of curiosity. :)
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Keep the test pressures low, 2-3 psi if ya go much higher it will deform the
tank. Use bubble water in a spray bottle to find the leaks.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156320#156320
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note
that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient
should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT
accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this
e-mail.
Message 52
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
A big congrats to you....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Scott Laughlin <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the patte
rn. 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane.
Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'
d like to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please le
t me know.
Here is a picture of the magic moment:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG
I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting.
More to come!
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL / Corvair
Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real pMTV/?source=text_watchcau
========================
========================
========================
========================
========================
============
_____________________________________________________________
Click now to embark on a successful customer service career!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4ufwstlW3gZ570Cyh5g
n9h5Q9mf15XNHCwcU4cx9OAEng0zw/
Message 53
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott. I hope this is just the beginning of a long happy
story for you.
Dred
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Laughlin
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight - N5SL
Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the
pattern. 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the
airplane.
Message 54
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 |
When I visited the Zenith factory in November there were a couple of
QB fuselages waiting to be packed and they both have the features you
describe - a sliding plate that moves with the steering rods, housed
in a flat box. I have pictures. I'm a little uncomfortable posting
pictures from inside the factory without permission, but I can PM if
anybody is interested.
Funny, I'm a long way from working on the fuse' so I never even
realized they weren't on the plans - but I just checked and by golly
they aren't there. Glad I have the pict's.
Ron
On Jan 6, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Bryan Martin wrote:
> <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> I believe the S-LSA version of the XL built by AMD in Georgia
> includes the steering slot covers to seal the steering rod
> penetrations through the firewall. This may be one of the
> requirements of the consensus standards for S-LSA. That may be what
> the 8 1/5 x 11 sheet is showing. The plans for the homebuilt kit
> from Zenith did not include these parts and sealing the slots was
> left to the discretion of the builder. If you have already cut your
> steering slots, don't worry, they will probably work fine. You may
> want to find some way of sealing up the slots so that air can't
> enter the cabin through them in flight. Check the list archives and
> search for "steering slots" or "steering rod" and you will find
> several suggestions for sealing the slots, this subject has been
> discussed at length on the list in the past. Click on the list
> navigator link at the bottom of this message then click on the
> archive search engine link. Or go to: http://www.matronics.com/
> search/ There are also photos of some of the solutions in the
> photoshare archives.
>
> Darrell Haas wrote:
>> Help! I am working on my fuse-601 firewall. I look at my plans 6-
>> B-7 and make the slots for the steering rods R=7 and 130 apart
>> left and right and 35 from the bottom. I think I'm pretty much
>> done until I find an 8 1/2 x 11 drawing from the previous owner
>> dated 08/07. It has the slots R=9 and they start 57 from the
>> bottom and they have a 6-B-7-4 slide cover and 6-B7-5 steering Box
>> Slide on the drawing. My plans do not show 6-B-7-4 or 6-B-7-5 and
>> they were not provided in my fuse kit. And by the way I could not
>> fond this new drawing on the Zenith web site. It came from Caleb.
>> Anyone out there have the same problem or have an answer?
>> Darrell
>> 601 xl fuse
>> N723DD reserved
> --
> Bryan Martin
> Zenith 601XL N61BM
> Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
> Do Not Archive
>
>
Message 55
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I'm using the Ellison, so was concerned about the same issue. I
installed an additional paper element filter after both pumps but before
the pressure guage port. This should allow me to detect any filter
clogging resulting in a pressure drop. Picture included if it gets
through.
Lynn Corry, PA 601 XL / Corvair
Message 56
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
Steve and Dave,
You're absolutely right. The plans allow you to build or have someone
build one set of parts for the aircraft described by the plans. You can
dispose of them as an aircraft
or sell them as parts. The problem with selling more than one part or
set of parts described by the plans is that the agreement made by the
plans buyer forbids
making parts repeatedly for sale.
That's the crux of the discussion. Should you make one extra part to
profit a dollar on it or make 100 parts and
profit 100 dollars on it is theft of intellectual property, violation of
the contract and becomes an obvious moral issue of mutual trust.
Knowing that you never intended to do anything of that sort of thing
makes this discussion a moot point. Most people don't set out to commit
a fraudulent act on a business
and I don't think you did either. It initially just sounded wrong as
most of us have heard of this kind of nonsense from people with *real*
moral deficits.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
steve wrote:
> I sell nose wheel strut fairings on eBay and in no way is it illegal.
> These fairings are not offered by Zenith or anybody else. I too just
> wanted to help other builders get their project finished easier..
>
> Steve W.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
>
> Look, I am not wanting to argue with you guys. I am breaking no
> laws!!!!!! I have been building and repairing airplanes for
> years!!!!! Cessna, Piper and Beech aircraftI have built parts for
> and not broken any laws. I am not looking to sell parts for a
> bunch of people. I am just offering to help while I build mine,
> that is it. You speak of technical support violation, parts
> violation and such,...........well guys (by the way I have all the
> DVDs and think the guys are a great help) Homebuilt help is
> selling technical support and its not Zenith. I am just building
> and offering to knock out a few extra ribs for people who need
> them. NOT STEALING ANYTHING!!
>
> David Mikesell
> 230 Theresa Drive, #6
> Cloverdale, CA 95425
> 209-224-4485
> skyguynca@skyguynca.com <mailto:skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> www.skyguynca.com <http://www.skyguynca.com>
>
Message 57
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott. Well done!
Glenn[/list]
--------
Glenn Andressen
601XL- just started.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156454#156454
Message 58
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re: Fuel Filter |
Need to ask" Why two fuel pumps ? My QBK # 55 came with only one
electric pump....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: dingfelder
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: re: Fuel Filter
I'm using the Ellison, so was concerned about the same issue. I
installed an additional paper element filter after both pumps but before
the pressure guage port. This should allow me to detect any filter
clogging resulting in a pressure drop. Picture included if it gets
through.
Lynn Corry, PA 601 XL / Corvair
Message 59
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Thanks guys. It was an incredible moment. My 13-year-old daughter filmed the
video from a chase car, then she edited the video with music and some pictures.
Enjoy:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/flight.wmv
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156458#156458
Message 60
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: re: Fuel Filter |
dingfelder wrote:
> I'm using the Ellison, so was concerned about the same issue. I
> installed an additional paper element filter after both pumps but before
> the pressure guage port. This should allow me to detect any filter
> clogging resulting in a pressure drop. Picture included if it gets through.
>
> Lynn Corry, PA 601 XL / Corvair
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
I'm sorry, but at the risk of flames, why would anyone knowingly design
such a fault-intolerant, complex fuel system?
--
Regards, J.
flying: Zenith STOL CH701/912 C-IGGY, 350 hrs.
building: Sonex #325 (F-CJNJ), Jabiru 3300/6, 98% completed
-------------------------------------------------
J. Davis, M.Sc. (computer science)
*NIX consulting, SysAdmin
email: jd at lawsonimaging.ca
voice: 519.289.1527 http://www.cleco.ca
c/o Brandywine Aviation 5507 Irish Dr., Appin, ON
N42 47.33 W081 36.50 31/13 2000+ x 60', elev: 740'
-------------------------------------------------
To most people the sky is the limit.
To those who love aviation, the sky is home.
When I was 17, I wondered why my parents were so stupid. By
the time I was 25, it was amazing at how much they had
learnt.
Message 61
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Scott-
Well, now you're legal for 90 days and can enter some crosswind
landings. Gotta wonder what the guy in the Piper was thinking!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL
>
> Thanks guys. It was an incredible moment. My 13-year-old daughter filmed
> the video from a chase car, then she edited the video with music and some
> pictures. Enjoy:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/flight.wmv
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156458#156458
>
>
>
Message 62
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congrats and super job on the video
Jerry
HDS 912S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cookwithgas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL
--> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Thanks guys. It was an incredible moment. My 13-year-old daughter filmed
the video from a chase car, then she edited the video with music and some
pictures. Enjoy:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/flight.wmv
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156458#156458
Message 63
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott,
Great video, lots of excitement for a few years to come.
Nicely done!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
cookwithgas wrote:
>
> Thanks guys. It was an incredible moment. My 13-year-old daughter filmed the
video from a chase car, then she edited the video with music and some pictures.
Enjoy:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/flight.wmv
>
>
>
Message 64
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Starting my 701 project |
I didn't want to comment about this, but some of you guys really don't
seem to understand what a person can or cannot do. You are not choosing
your words carefully and forgetting to remember what the purpose of this
list is. David is not trying to start a business by undercutting
Zenith, he was just offering to help out by making a few extra parts
while he was making his. David has been a valued contributing member of
this list for quite a time. It this an attempt to run him off? Some of
you seem to be determined to do so. He is perfectly in his rights to
make these parts as much as some one is to make an after market fender
for a Chevrolet. And, if you don't want any of his parts then it's
really not any of your business. If Zenith thinks he is somehow
infringing on their rights, it's up to them to say something, not us.
I believe the airfoil Zenith uses is in the public domain and the design
specs are available. Zenith does not have a patent on it or exclusive
rights to manufacturer ribs or any other parts. As far as I know there
is nothing on the 701 that is exclusively a Zenith design or invention.
It is a compilation of many proven aircraft parts that were assembled
into a what we know as a 701 It is actually a look alike of a Fieseler
Storch (38-61) and several other similar older aircraft. Making look a
likes of other aircraft is a practice that will continue long after we
are gone.
We need to leave David alone and move on.
LRM www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project
I think that a lot of people are missing the point as to why Zenith
sells plans. I am not sure and have no way of knowing the number of
plans they have sold but I would be willing to bet it is a lot more than
the planes that have been built using them. Bottom line is they make
money selling them. Just like all aircraft kit manufactures make money
selling the tail kit cheap because they know the majority of builders
wont finish the rest of the plane and can't afford the whole kit at one
time.
I think Mark has a bias view and is one of the most outspoken about
this. It is my opinion that if I bought the plans I can get my parts
where ever I want to. I can pay the welding shop to weld my parts for me
or the engine shop to rebuild my engine. If someone out there takes the
time to make the forms and buy the dies then why should I have to be
forced to do the same thing if another builder will make them for me and
save me the time and money. If both builders have a set of plans then
Zenith has no bitch. Mark seems to want it both ways you buy the plans
but must buy any parts from zenith when it clearly states you can make
one part per plan and if two builders get together with two sets of
plans then wouldn't that be 2 parts???? Even if one of them makes a
little money from it to recoup his tooling costs? Bottom line is both
builders only made 1 part.
I just ordered another kit Friday so I do support zenith but I also
have a set of scratch built plans and I plan to make templates of the
parts from the kit so i can build one from scratch also but the parts I
can't make I will buy from zenith unless another builder and I can get
together and I can make my parts cheaper and I see nothing wrong with
that.
I think a better way to do this would be to RENT out your forms and
dies and let the builder make his parts from them. That way no one has a
bitch because Zenith doesn't loan out their forms.
Jeff
another 601 on the way
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
1/6/2008 11:57 AM
Message 65
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: sealing fuel fittings |
That's the stuff my EAA Tech Counselor told me to use. Another source, a AP/AI
confirmed it at the EAA chapter meeting.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156474#156474
Message 66
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
!!!
That was the best download I have done in a very long time!!!
Thanks guys. It was an incredible moment. My 13-year-old daughter filmed the
video from a chase car, then she edited the video with music and some pictures.
Enjoy:
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/flight.wmv
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156458#156458
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Message 67
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | HELP- with 6-B-7 |
Message 68
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N5SL |
Congratulations Scott! You have given may of us much enjoyment and education watching
you pursue this accomplishment. Your daughter is gifted also and made
a very enjoyable video of your first flight.
As far as being the first scratch builder, I think that one goes to Chris Heintz.
You might be the first plans built customer though.
Well done my friend.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156483#156483
Message 69
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | HELP- with 6-B-7 |
Message 70
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 |
Apparently attached photos don't work on the list, although I'd swear
I've seen them before. Anyway, I uploaded then to the Matronics
server. I haven't got a bounced email back so hopefully they will be
available soon.
Ron
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|