---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/07/08: 55 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Paul Mulwitz) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Larry H) 3. 04:51 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Terry Turnquist) 4. 05:55 AM - Re: Online built (Tommy Walker) 5. 06:01 AM - Re: sealing fuel fittings (Geoff Heap) 6. 06:18 AM - Re: sealing fuel fittings (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 7. 06:32 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (dgardea(at)gmail.com) 8. 07:20 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (aprazer) 9. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (Debo Cox) 10. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter (Phil Maxson) 11. 09:53 AM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (T. Graziano) 12. 10:12 AM - 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting (AZFlyer) 13. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL () 14. 10:35 AM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Larry H) 15. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: sealing fuel fittings (Bryan Martin) 16. 12:51 PM - Re: sealing fuel fittings (billmileski) 17. 12:55 PM - Re: sealing fuel fittings (billmileski) 18. 01:04 PM - Poor Brakes on 701 with CZECH Amphibs (1150A with 4 wheels) (Avidmagnum) 19. 01:11 PM - Re: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting (chris Sinfield) 20. 01:37 PM - Re: Online built (countzero) 21. 01:40 PM - Re: Fuel Filter (Gig Giacona) 22. 02:14 PM - CH701 Fatal Crash (Jim Fosse) 23. 02:25 PM - Re: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting (Beckman, Rick) 24. 02:36 PM - Re: CH701 Fatal Crash (ashontz) 25. 02:50 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (THOMAS SMALL) 26. 02:57 PM - Re: First Flight - N5SL (Scott Thatcher) 27. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: First Flight - N5SL (Larry H) 28. 03:30 PM - Fuel System Sealant (robert stone) 29. 04:27 PM - Re: Adding extra rib to rudder (THOMAS SMALL) 30. 04:47 PM - monday chat (leinad) 31. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Online built (Curt Thompson) 32. 04:50 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Tommy Walker) 33. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Online built (Craig Payne) 34. 04:56 PM - Re: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting () 35. 05:19 PM - N701N Completed and Flying (Jeffrey A Beachy) 36. 05:47 PM - Re: Adding extra rib to rudder (PatrickW) 37. 05:56 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (PatrickW) 38. 06:39 PM - Re: Adding extra rib to rudder (Dave Austin) 39. 06:49 PM - Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 (Ron Lendon) 40. 07:10 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (NYTerminat@aol.com) 41. 07:11 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (rroberts) 42. 07:21 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (bob) 43. 07:24 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (Ashcraft, Keith -AES) 44. 07:26 PM - Plans for 701 Slat Jig (David Cleary) 45. 07:43 PM - Monday Chat Room (George Race) 46. 07:46 PM - Radio & Transponder Sale (Pete Krotje) 47. 08:14 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (LRM) 48. 08:19 PM - Re: xxx N701N Completed and Flying (John Bolding) 49. 08:21 PM - Re: Adding extra rib to rudder (Paul Mulwitz) 50. 08:26 PM - Re: Monday Chat Room (Edward Moody II) 51. 08:43 PM - Re: Monday Chat Room (Ron Zeppin) 52. 08:51 PM - Re: Starting my 701 project (Larry H) 53. 09:25 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (Edward Moody II) 54. 09:40 PM - Re: N701N Completed and Flying (SABorns@aol.com) 55. 09:43 PM - steering boots (Darrell Haas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:32 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project Hi Mark, Yes, I still feel it is fine for anybody to make any parts they want and sell them if they can. The way I read the quoted verbiage is that the buyer agrees not to reproduce and sell the drawings. I don't see anything that says anything about selling airplane parts. The "them" in the quote refers to the previous list of items including: "Drawings, Manuals and parts (of the manuals and drawings). It wouldn't make any sense at all to prohibit the buyer from reproducing, or communicating metal parts. I know I had to reproduce many parts that I screwed up on my first attempt to assemble them into my plane. I don't have any clue how I might communicate a metal part. It seems obvious to me that all of this refers to the drawings and other printed material. I agree that reproducing the printed material, which is clearly copyrighted, would be an ethical and legal breach. It is not because of the contract, but because the material is copyrighted. When anyone produces written material and includes the magic word "Copyright" that makes it a moral problem for anyone else to reproduce and sell the material without permission. That right doesn't extend to the design of the airplane parts which is documented in the drawings. That would require a patent and Zenith clearly can't possibly have such a patent since they didn't invent any of the stuff in the drawings. As mentioned by someone the last time this whole can of worms came up, they could have a "Design Patent" on the whole airplane design. If they did (which I seriously doubt) then they could get a court to support the patent if someone were to build and sell whole airplanes without license from the patent holder. In practice this wouldn't work, because they keep changing details in the design and each little change makes a whole new design to protect. I feel the whole contract is a bunch of nonsense. It is an attempt by Zenith to prevent law suits being filed against them for any implied product liability relating to their products. Since I have no intention of suing them for such liability, I am not particularly concerned with the contents of the contract. The only ethical breach of contract (as opposed to a legal portion of the contract that could be enforced in a court of law) I can imagine is if I, or some other Zenith customer, decided to build several airplanes from a single set of plans. That is distinctly different from building as many component parts as I choose to build either for inclusion in my one authorized plane or for sale to anybody who wants to buy them. With regard to all the comments made by you and others that some of us have committed some sort of sin, I think that is utter nonsense. It is not up to you or any other list members to attempt to enforce the Zenith builder's contract. It is up to Zenith to do any enforcement they think they can get away with. I feel that no crimes have been committed, and by telling someone they are committing a crime in a public forum when they have not done so you are indeed committing a offense. It is called slander and/or libel. Indeed, I don't think Zenith would or could enforce any of the builder's contract. It would not be practical, economical, or even reasonable for them to do so. It would also be a terrible business practice to take their customers to court over a breach of contract. Once the word got out that being a Zenith customer puts you at risk for being sued it would be difficult to convince anyone to be such a customer. Paul XL fuselage At 10:58 AM 1/6/2008, you wrote: > > >This contract permits the buyer to build one airplane or part of it >in the Custom-Built, Experimental, Ultralight, etc. category. The >type of aircraft and the Drawings serial number must be visibly > >marked on the vertical tail or fuselage sides of the aircraft. The >buyer is advised that the Drawings, Manuals, and/or parts contain >proprietary rights. The buyer covenants and agrees that he will not: > >a) Reproduce, b) Communicate, c) Transfer, sell, exchange or modify >them or any part of them, d) Permit any other person to use said >drawings, manual, and/or parts, without the written permission of the Company. > > >I am old fashioned and truly believe that a mans handshake and >signature is his ethical bond. IF I sign a document that says I >cannot use a persons design to sell his parts without expressed >permission then maybe I shouldn't, legal or not, I have signed my >name to it. So after reading the line from the contract Paul, do >you still feel it is right to make a part from the plans and sell it >in any way? I am at a loss, I cannot force my views upon you or >anyone and all my ramblings here on this subject are just that they >are my opinion, but god I hope more people out there share my view then yours. > > >Mark ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:33 AM PST US From: Larry H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project If you REALLY WANT TO KNOW - CALL ZENITH AIRCRAFT COMPANY! I'm POSITIVE they will tell you the truth. Just don't be shocked if they tell you you CAN'T do it. Put this discussion to rest finally and lets get on with something different please. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:40 AM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project Gentleman, there are grim statistics concerning the percentage of scratch builders of any airplane actually completing and flying their creation. I don't think Zenith or any company selling kits needs to worry about a builder on steroids producing enough parts to put them out of business. Relax, take a deep breath, and try to figure out how you're going to break the news to MAMA that the engine you need to power your creation is going to cost about as much as you paid for your house! Terry Turnquist 601XL-Parts St Peters, MO Paul Mulwitz wrote: Hi Mark, Yes, I still feel it is fine for anybody to make any parts they want and sell them if they can. The way I read the quoted verbiage is that the buyer agrees not to reproduce and sell the drawings. I don't see anything that says anything about selling airplane parts. The "them" in the quote refers to the previous list of items including: "Drawings, Manuals and parts (of the manuals and drawings). It wouldn't make any sense at all to prohibit the buyer from reproducing, or communicating metal parts. I know I had to reproduce many parts that I screwed up on my first attempt to assemble them into my plane. I don't have any clue how I might communicate a metal part. It seems obvious to me that all of this refers to the drawings and other printed material. I agree that reproducing the printed material, which is clearly copyrighted, would be an ethical and legal breach. It is not because of the contract, but because the material is copyrighted. When anyone produces written material and includes the magic word "Copyright" that makes it a moral problem for anyone else to reproduce and sell the material without permission. That right doesn't extend to the design of the airplane parts which is documented in the drawings. That would require a patent and Zenith clearly can't possibly have such a patent since they didn't invent any of the stuff in the drawings. As mentioned by someone the last time this whole can of worms came up, they could have a "Design Patent" on the whole airplane design. If they did (which I --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:12 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Online built Pavel569, I had a web cam hooked up in my garage while I was building my plane. I had quite a few lookers but very few interruptions. One interesting lurker IM'ed me and asked me to stand in front of the camera so she/he could see me. Asked me to take off my hat and smile at the camera. Turns out it was an old girl friend. She invited me to come down to Orlando for a week at her expense. Anyway, I digress.. I think my non-flying friends looked more than anyone. One person suggested I could start a pay-per-view site and call it the "Naked Builder." For those who've seen me you know how long that site would have remained alive. I would have certainly had to buy more bandaids.. LOL Do Not Archive Tommy ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel fittings From: "Geoff Heap" Will this stuff work as well. I gulped when i saw the price of $66.14 from MSC. The stuff below is from Wicks PIPE THREAD SEALANT FUEL RE Pipe thread sealant with Teflon made by Loctite. O.E.M. specified as 592. Prevents leakage from vibration, temperature cycling and extreme pressures. Protects against rust, corrosion, and galling of threads. Allows respositioning of parts after application. SKU: PST Our Price: $5.26 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156520#156520 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel fittings From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" I also used EZ Turn (fuel lube) on my fuel tank finger screen fitting threads and on the fuel filler threads. It did a great job of sealing the fuel sender on each tank. Regards, Dave Wings done .. waiting on fuselage kit -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156525#156525 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL From: "dgardea(at)gmail.com" Congratulations, Scott! Very neat that your daughter has been involved in your project right up to your maiden flight. Your accomplishment and her video is a real motivation to the rest of us builders who have a ways to go. Please keep us posted on performance figures with the WW Corvair! Regards, Dave Gardea -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156528#156528 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:23 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL From: "aprazer" Scott, Congrats on a job well done! I'm sure that you'll go down in the history books as flying the first "plans built" 601XL. Enjoyed seeing the white stuff in the background -- that is something we are short of as we are in our seventh year of drought! Thanks for sharing, Mack 601XL/3300 N990MK -------- The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156535#156535 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:31 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL Wow Scott. You've given every scratchbuilder (and everyone else for that matter) a great reason to keep returning to the garage every day or two. It couldn't happen to a nicer, more generous guy. My deepest congratulations. I wanted to echo too what Dave has said here. It's been really wonderful for someone like me with no kids to see how involved your daughter has been in your project. Looks like she may have even found a passion of her own for aviation through you - after videography of course! Keep the pointy end forward... Debo Cox Nags Head, NC Scratchbuilding XL/Corvair Second wing 80% done www.mykitlog.com/debo "dgardea(at)gmail.com" wrote: Congratulations, Scott! Very neat that your daughter has been involved in your project right up to your maiden flight. Your accomplishment and her video is a real motivation to the rest of us builders who have a ways to go. Please keep us posted on performance figures with the WW Corvair! Regards, Dave Gardea -------- Dave Gardea 601XL - Corvair working on wings http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:39 AM PST US From: Phil Maxson Subject: RE: Zenith-List: re: Fuel Filter On the advice of William Wynne and others, I removed my fuel filter. As ot hers have pointed out, the gascolator acts as a fuel filter and a water sep arator. I've been flying the ellison EFS-3A for about 150 hours now.Phil M axson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey From: ding@tbscc.comTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: re: Fuel FilterDate: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:34:28 -0500 I'm using the Ellison, so was concerned about the same issue. I installed a n additional paper element filter after both pumps but before the pressure guage port. This should allow me to detect any filter clogging resulting in a pressure drop. Picture included if it gets through. Lynn Corry, PA 601 XL / Corvair _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:20 AM PST US From: "T. Graziano" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL Congratulations, Scott! Taking something you built into the sky for the first time is unforgettable! Have fun on your Phase I testing. Tony Graziano; 601/Jab; N493TG Do not archive. -------------------- > Time: 07:46:59 AM PST US > From: Scott Laughlin > Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight - N5SL > > Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the > pattern. > 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane. > > Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd > l > ike to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me > k > now. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting From: "AZFlyer" List, Am getting close to riveting the front floor skin with all it's various stiffeners and attachments, so my question is: Do I turn the fuselage over to do the riveting or work on my back underneath the fuse? What have others done? Seems to me that turning it over is the easy way. Thanks, Mike -------- Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com 601 XL, 3300, Dynon Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156556#156556 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:35 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL "Laughlin the polished X L..... Had a very shiny plane.... And if you ever saw it..... you would surely go insane." (sung to the tune of "Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer") Sorry, it just came to me after the "you'll go down in history.." comment. I'll go take my medicine now. Dred Do Not Archive ---- aprazer wrote: > > Scott, > Congrats on a job well done! I'm sure that you'll go down in the history books as flying the first "plans built" 601XL. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:10 AM PST US From: Larry H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project Not quite so fast about the statement regarding the cost of an engine "costing more than your house". You can build a 100 HP, 6 six cylinder, corvair conversion for less than $4000. Check this website out and find out for yourself: www.flycorvair.com If you aren't that mechanically inclined, call them and ask what the price is for one already built up and ready to go. I'm positive it will be about half what you would pay for a Rotax, Jabiru or a Continental. I --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:40 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel fittings That will probably work but it does harden when it cures. If you have to reposition the fitting after it sets, you will have to disassemble reapply the compound. See: http://www.barnhillbolt.com/specs/loctite592tds.pdf Wicks also sells EZ Turn thread sealer for about the same price per ounce: http://tinyurl.com/2d9d7n EZ Turn doesn't harden. Aircraft Spruce also sells it for a bit less along with a couple of other brands: http://tinyurl.com/24yzph Permatex makes a product with similar properties to the Loctite product, Thread Sealant with PTFE. If you want to save on shipping, the Permatex and Loctite product are usually available at your local auto parts stores. Geoff Heap wrote: > > Will this stuff work as well. I gulped when i saw the price of $66.14 from MSC. The stuff below is from Wicks > > > PIPE THREAD SEALANT FUEL RE > Pipe thread sealant with Teflon made by Loctite. O.E.M. specified as 592. Prevents leakage from vibration, temperature cycling and extreme pressures. Protects against rust, corrosion, and galling of threads. Allows respositioning of parts after application. > > SKU: PST > Our Price: $5.26 > do not archive > -- Bryan Martin Zenith 601XL N61BM Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel fittings From: "billmileski" I have used "Sealube" from Spruce, extensively, and it seems to work very well. Was recommended by Zenith at the time I purchased my kit. Not cheap, but at $27 is a large can I'll never use a third of and cheaper than the Fuel Lube prices mentioned. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Bill Mileski Ledyard, CT 701 912S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156573#156573 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: sealing fuel fittings From: "billmileski" Hmmm. Actually, looks like EZ Turn is about six bucks CHEAPER than the Sealube I recommended.. I'd probably go with the EZ Turn :-) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/ezturnlube.php Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156574#156574 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Poor Brakes on 701 with CZECH Amphibs (1150A with 4 wheels) From: "Avidmagnum" Wow..I just did not know how bad the braking design was on my CH701 till I put it on the Amphibious Floats. I blamed it on poor brake in, grease, oil...whatever. Could not lock up the brakes for run up. I then added a second Amphibian (same floats CZECH 1150A)on a RANS S7 in Florida. Broke in the brakes the same way I did on the 701 and what a shock! Great brakes! Turn on a dime! (The only major difference was the pedal design.) Hummm. Back to Wisconsin for Christmas and time to do a look over of my 701. Did a search on this site and saw that other were having problems. I made modifications that were on the 601 site on this link. http://www.ch601.org/resources/brake_mod/brake_mod.htm What a difference! The Matco brakes call for about 450 lbs of pressure and I could not get near that with the stock pedal design. If you fly with the nose wheel not as big a deal. But with out the steering nose wheel good brakes are a MUST if you want to turn! Tom Schulke 701SP Rotax 912ULS, Warp drive prop, NO SLATS!, Czech 1150 amphibs. 236 hours, GREAT BRAKES! Everything is beautiful!!! Anyway.... thanks for all that post great ideas on this site! Let's keep Life Positive........... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156578#156578 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:31 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting From: "chris Sinfield" I did mine as a section upside down then turned it over and joined it up to the gear channel once it was done and just did those last ones on my back Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156579#156579 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:40 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Online built From: "countzero" Hi Pavel569 I screwed webcam to a shelf in the corner of my garage. I could not find a usb cable long enough to plug it into my computer so I set it up to take a picture every six seconds and store to a memory card. I upload the pictures to u-tube where you can watch an entire days work in about three minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wDOZXJ_Ql4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcd1rE9GkZk so far. If could find a way to plug the camera into the computer (about 20m away) I might think about setting up as a webcam, could be very useful when I stuck.. or mess up.. again.. Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156586#156586 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Fuel Filter From: "Gig Giacona" OK, where do you think the fault intolerance is in the system? jd(at)lawsonimaging.ca wrote: > dingfelder wrote: > I'm sorry, but at the risk of flames, why would anyone knowingly design > such a fault-intolerant, complex fuel system? > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156587#156587 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:25 PM PST US From: "Jim Fosse" Subject: Zenith-List: CH701 Fatal Crash This is from AV Web Flash publication on 1-6-08. Jim Fosse N329F FATAL FLIGHT, LAS CRUCES Robert Steinmetz, who was identified in the FAA's preliminary report as a "sport pilot," crashed his "Garniss STOL 701" high-wing (experimental aircraft are often registered by builder name followed by aircraft model) into a field near his home on the outskirts of Las Cruces, N.M., Dec. 5, killing himself and leaving family members as witnesses. Steinmetz had purchased the aircraft just two months prior to the accident. AVweb was unable to find a record of Steinmetz in the FAA's online airmen certification database and the aircraft's registration status as of Friday was also unavailable. According to the report, Steinmetz's daughters told the inspector that every time he flew, he would "buzz" his house and "wig wag" his wings. On this particular flight, he was wagging his wings when the left wing struck the ground and the airplane cartwheeled. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. No flight plan was filed. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting From: "Beckman, Rick" Am getting close to riveting the front floor skin with all it's various stiffeners and attachments, so my question is: Do I turn the fuselage over to do the riveting or work on my back underneath the fuse? Hey, Mike! It's just like a big aluminum canoe at this point, so turn it over! Get a little help so as not to bend anything. Makes life soooo much easier. Happy Building!! Rick from the Eastern Jackson County Swamps!! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:24 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH701 Fatal Crash From: "ashontz" Where's Ralph Nader when you need him? This airplane should have never been allowed to wig wag it's wings or have been capable of being flown anywhere near the ground without a plethora of autopilots that would have immediately corrected the situation and automatically landed the plane safely at the nearest airport. It also should have been constructed as one giant safety airbag that would have deployed 5 seconds before any inticipated crash and lovingly deposited th pilot and any passengers back in a hermetically sealed womb-like structure. do not archive -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156600#156600 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:51 PM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project do not archive Larry, Good work, keep it up! We need more listers to get a bit up in arms about the waste of verbiage on this forum. Some equate the First Amendment as their right to spout off on anything when it is really a bit out of the Jerry Springer "I'll showcase any idiot" garbage bin. This issue IS long dead, a dead horse, even a dead parrot - maybe we could zap it with a laser! They won't call ZAC because then they would have the facts, and while they are welcome to their opinions, they don't want said opinions to be placed against facts. Many of the problems faced on this medium come from the e-mail format where communication takes place without benefit of intonenation, inflection, and immediate scrutiny of statement. Mark sohuld not have to waste his time when this issue rolls over in its grave every three months. Don't forget that your e-mail program usually has a block caller feature that allows your to screen some of this nonsense that comes from two or three listers. Keep up the fight, maybe we could all benefit from reading the list guidelines - something many of these folks have never done. If you REALLY WANT TO KNOW - CALL ZENITH AIRCRAFT COMPANY! I'm POSITIVE they will tell you the truth. Just don't be shocked if they tell you you CAN'T do it. Put this discussion to rest finally and lets get on with something different please. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US From: "Scott Thatcher" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL Hi Scott, Congratulations! There's a bunch of us out here that owe part of our building skills to you and your website... including some unique parts such as the AOA probe that you expertly fabricated! I hope you keep your web site up and running for future generations of builders because it is so incredibly complete. By the way, how did the AOA work? Did it follow the design of the gauge fairly close? Or were you more interested in other things at the time? I got mine inspected about two weeks ago and hope to get it in the air this month... but mine was a kit and it still took almost four years and a lot of help from others. Keep us posted. Thanks for everything. Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Still 99% complete but Registered as E-LSA N601EL > Time: 07:46:59 AM PST US > From: Scott Laughlin > Subject: Zenith-List: First Flight - N5SL > > Yesterday, January 5, 2008, N5SL made it's first flight around the > pattern. > 4-years, 11-months and 5-days since I started work on the airplane. > > Does anybody know of a Plans-built 601XL that has flown in the U.S.? I'd > l > ike to claim to be the first so if anybody knows of another please let me > k > now. > > Here is a picture of the magic moment: > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/1_5_08_Flight1.JPG > > I have a shaky video but need to get it off the camera before posting. > Mor > e to come! > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > Omaha, Nebraska > 601XL / Corvair ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:05 PM PST US From: Larry H Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: First Flight - N5SL Boooooo!!!! Hisssssssssss! Hey Dred, don't give up your day job! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:04 PM PST US From: "robert stone" Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel System Sealant Thanks to all who responded to my question about sealing fuel system connectors. I am going to use a product called SEAL All Gas & Oil resistant. This is what mechanics use in the aviation maintenance department of Central Texas College. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:13 PM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Adding extra rib to rudder > I'm considering fabricating an "end" rib to close the open area at the > bottom of the leading edge of the rudder? Would this create any > problems? John, It should not cause any problems but take the advice to wait until final fitting of saddle piece over stab. You can make a rib out of .016 aluminum or take a look at this method and see what you think - it's only one other way to tackle the problem. Works for me but everyone has their preferences: Even builders of metal a/c need to cultivate a skill with working in fiberglass. Take a piece of builders foam (often scraps are thrown away at new home sites); usually this stuff is blue, green or pink, and is available in various thicknesses from 1/2 inch up to 3 inches. You need a piece of one inch for this. Press foam against rudder spar and then into the open bottom end of leading edge - this will leave an impression of the opening. Cut out this piece on the bandsaw and sand (the stuff sands easily) until it is a somewhat loose fit into the area to be filled. If you ended up putting a gentle curve into the bottom of the leading edge to fit the saddle it won't matter as you can easily sand the side profile to match. Cover the top surface of the piece (draping some cloth over the sides) with a layer of 5 to 8 ounce fiberglass. One layer will do for this piece. Use finishing resin which you can get in larger qualities from ACS or go to local hobby store (Tower Hobbies for mail or on-line orders) and see what they have. It's normally one-to-one in ratio from the hobby store venue. Apply with the cheap acid brushes you get at hardware store for $.49 so they can be tossed - though acetone will clean 'em if you want to reuse. Allow resin to set and scuff a bit with 50 to 80 grit paper, then apply another coat of finishing resin. This should be sufficient thickness to allow sanding to a smooth surface; if not, apply more resin. Start with 80 grit and move to 220. Sand edges carefully checking often for fit into the rudder opening. Attach into opening with RTV (the RV crowd uses this all the time). Mine has held through 310+ hours. The "rudder plug" is shown installed in one attachment and sitting atop the stab tips in the other (providing the attachments come through). The stabilizer tips are another easy fiberglass project that clean up an area in the tail surfaces. I did not care for the look of a row of rivets running to the aft end of the tips and the creases formed by the rib running the rear length. Take the same process as above: trace around the aft of the stab tip, cut a piece of builders foam, epoxy in place, sand with a big block, cover ONLY the foam being careful to keep the piece of cloth just large enough to extend past the edge. When the resin is almost cured you can take a single-edge razor blade and trim the fiberglass "whiskers" off. The reason for this is to minimize the amount of sanding needed on the gel coat of the tips. The ribs that would have been used can now go into the elevator where the rudder cutout is (mine is an HDS; the XL kits may come with extra ribs for this purpose?). In the second attachment the tips are shown, the plug for rudder is atop, and the cutout ribs are the ones with rivet holes. The primer is Randolph's two-part epoxy, Epibond. Presently I'm working on new wheel pants for the S83 Michelin smaller diameter tires using much the same techniques as above with one and two inch foam in contrasting colors to aid in symmetrical contouring. If anyone is interested a tutorial of making a fiberglass fairing for atop the rudder utilizing the position light in that location, it can be forwarded to you. Please contact off-list at tjs22t(at)verizon.net. cheers jeff HDS/3300 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:28 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: monday chat From: "leinad" http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ 8:00 PM EST -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156620#156620 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:13 PM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Online built Rob, Nice video. I was thinking about doing a similar setup to record my build progress. What is the camera and software setup that you use? Curt ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Starting my 701 project From: "Tommy Walker" HEY! DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE! SIGNED DOG THOU SHALT NOT ARCHIVE LOL Sorry, couldn't resist do not archive -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156621#156621 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:32 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Online built Talk about a quick-build! > If could find a way to plug the camera into the computer (about 20m away) I might think about setting up as a webcam You could use a wireless USB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377793 But it would be cheaper to just buy a WiFi or Ethernet webcam: http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=218&subcategory=601&pro duct=14276 http://www.axis.com/products/cam_206/index.htm -- Craig ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:37 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL, Front floor skin-Riveting You should have the whole mess up on some sort of supports (saw horses?) jigged and shimmed to the prescribed level or angles before you start pulling rivets. That way you don't incorporate any twist or improper relationships of parts. I found that working on a creepr on my back works well under the plane. They aren't terribly expensive and you will use it as long as you have a plane to work on. Dred ---- AZFlyer wrote: > > List, > > Am getting close to riveting the front floor skin with all it's various stiffeners and attachments, so my question is: Do I turn the fuselage over to do the riveting or work on my back underneath the fuse? > > What have others done? Seems to me that turning it over is the easy way. > > Thanks, > Mike > > -------- > Mike Miller @ millrml@aol.com > 601 XL, 3300, Dynon > > Remember, "the second mouse gets the cheese"! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156556#156556 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:01 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying From: Jeffrey A Beachy My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Adding extra rib to rudder From: "PatrickW" Just make sure it's attached well so it doesn't come partially out and interfere with rudder travel. Patrick XL/Covair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156629#156629 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:56:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N701N Completed and Flying From: "PatrickW" Nice job. That's really a great looking airplane. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156632#156632 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:43 PM PST US From: "Dave Austin" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Adding extra rib to rudder Just my thoughts on this.. Why add extra weight when not needed? I cut off the corners of every "L" piece to keep weight down. Rounded ends of longerons and u/c slides etc.. I'm not smart enough to do the math to decide if the drag reduction is more valuable than the extra weight. Anybody out there..? Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:12 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: HELP- with 6-B-7 From: "Ron Lendon" Post pictures to your message using the web interface: http://forums.matronics.com -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156652#156652 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:14 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Jeff, Looks great, congratulations and best of luck. Take your time and enjoy your phase 1 fly off. Bob Spudis N701ZX CH701/912S/ 140hrs In a message dated 1/7/2008 8:21:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, beachyjeff@juno.com writes: My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N701N Completed and Flying From: "rroberts" She's a real beauty Jeff! ! Congrats! ! Make sure you get some 701 dual before you take her up. Well done ! -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156661#156661 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:57 PM PST US From: "bob" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Congratulations on the first flight Jeff, Your plane looks great. I see that you are not very far from me, I'm near Dayton. I finished my 701 this summer and I'd like to get together sometime and swap building and flying info, I now have about 44 hours on mine. Please send me an email ( kissellr@ameritech.net ) I'm hangared at New Carlisle, Ohio. Bob Kissell Beavercreek,Ohio N701UB ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey A Beachy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:40 PM PST US From: "Ashcraft, Keith -AES" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Congratulations, Let us know how the Phase I works out. Keith CH701 -- scratch N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' *************************************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jeffrey A Beachy Sent: Mon 1/7/2008 2:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Plans for 701 Slat Jig From: "David Cleary" Does anyone know if there is a set of plans for the Slat Jig for the 701? I don't see it on the Zenith site or the CH701 site. I know the slat profile is on 7-F-13 and I could swag the jig from the photo in the Assembly Guide. But I'm much better at following directions than swag'ing. David Cleary Bloomington, MN CH701 from Component Kits Rudder & Flapperons completed David.cleary@calix.com ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:25 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith-List: Monday Chat Room Tonight is chat night again for those who may be interested and available. 8:00 EST at: http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat See you there, George CH-701 N73EX (reserved) ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:26 PM PST US From: "Pete Krotje" Subject: Zenith-List: Radio & Transponder Sale Jabiru USA has several new Becker 4201 radios in stock for immediate sale at $950.00. Compare to Gulf Coast Avionics at $1270.00. Becker ATC 4401-175 Transponders for sale at $1500.00. Compare at $1899.00. Several available. First with the cash gets them. Call 931-680-2800 or email frontdesk@usjabiru.com Pete Krotje Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:44 PM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Fine Job my friend. Now this is what the list is for. LRM www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey A Beachy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:03 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: xxx Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Jeff, please share your all up weight. Thanks John do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey A Beachy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: xxx Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:38 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Adding extra rib to rudder Hi Dave, Engineering is always about trade-offs. Airplane engineering is about trade-offs that are often difficult to make. One important concept in engineering is the concept of "Metrics". This is not centimeters vs. inches. It is about measuring stuff to determine what is better and what is not. For this question the metrics to use are probably airspeed and weight. It might be best to leave the extra rib (fairing) off until you have completed your initial testing. Then you could add it - perhaps in a temporary fashion (like duct tape?) - and measure the difference in airspeed. If you can't measure any difference then you don't need the extra weight. If you can measure a speed difference (and it is in the right direction) then you can scratch your head and decide whether you want faster speed (with a known speed gain) or less weight. You could use a different set of metrics and get a different answer to your question. Maybe you are concerned about the noise level while flying your plane. You could perform the same experiment but instead of measuring airspeed you might measure sound level. The fairing might reduce the sound level or it might not. Again, you can make a good, informed, decision once you have made the measurements. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 05:03 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >Just my thoughts on this.. Why add extra weight when not needed? I >cut off the corners of every "L" piece to keep weight down. Rounded >ends of longerons and u/c slides etc.. I'm not smart enough to do >the math to decide if the drag reduction is more valuable than the >extra weight. Anybody out there..? >Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:42 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Monday Chat Room Are you kidding? LSU is playing for the naytional championship!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: George Race To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Monday Chat Room Tonight is chat night again for those who may be interested and available. 8:00 EST at: http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat See you there, George CH-701 N73EX (reserved) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:57 PM PST US From: Ron Zeppin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Monday Chat Room I'm new to the list, and am considering building an aircraft... Wished I'd seen the posting earlier about the chat... I'll try to remember it next week! Ron Edward Moody II wrote: > Are you kidding? LSU is playing for the naytional championship!!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* George Race > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2008 6:03 PM > *Subject:* Zenith-List: Monday Chat Room > > Tonight is chat night again for those who may be interested and > available. > > 8:00 EST at: http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat > > See you there, > > George > CH-701 N73EX (reserved) > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:24 PM PST US From: Larry H Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Starting my 701 project Thanks Thomas for the kind words. I have to admit I haven't read the "rules of engagement" myself but I DID use my God given common sense when I called them on this. It makes my behind very TIRED reading and SIFTING through the garbage to get to things that ARE of importance. Too bad more people don't feel the way we do about it. In fact, I got chastised last week for saying something like I did on this post, and I was told to "chill out and take a breather". I say WHOOEY TO THAT! I don't have the time OR energy to waste reading idle GARBAGE. Regards, Larry --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:52 PM PST US From: "Edward Moody II" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Really nice looking airplane! Okay so you have a great plane and you're finished several months ahead of mine. On the other hand..... LSU is the new National Football Champion!!!!!!! Dred 601XL/Jabiru Rayne, Louisiana LSU Class of 1977 Do Not Archive Do Not Mess with the TIGERS!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey A Beachy To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/7/2008 9:14 AM ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:08 PM PST US From: SABorns@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying Congratulations Jeff!!!!!! Steven Bornstein 475 E. North Broadway Columbus, Ohio 43214 614 263-5819 In a message dated 1/7/2008 11:15:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lrm@skyhawg.com writes: Fine Job my friend. Now this is what the list is for. LRM www.skyhawg.com ----- Original Message ----- From: _Jeffrey A Beachy_ (mailto:beachyjeff@juno.com) Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: N701N Completed and Flying My Zenith CH701 received an FAA airworthiness certificate on December 17, 2007 with first flight following on Christmas Day. I built N701N from a Zenith complete airframe kit and a Skyshops firewall-forward kit. Engine is a Rotax 912ULS with Woodcomp propeller; instruments are steam gauges with a Microair Comm and Transponder. I logged 2,560 hours of building over thirty-three months, including painting. This was my first airplane project and I enjoyed the entire experience. The Zenith Matronics List was a great help in building my airplane. Special thanks to Larry Martin, Brian Unruh, Tommy Walker, Dirk Slabbert, Jerry Erickson, John Flavin and others on this list who were willing to share their experiences and recommendations. Now, if the never-ceasing winds around here will finally die down, I'll be happy to get back to flying! Jeff Beachy Plain City, Ohio N701N ____________________________________ Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Start the year off right. 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