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1. 04:08 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Debo Cox)
2. 05:03 AM - Newspaper feature (Zed Smith)
3. 05:08 AM - Builders in Kansas City Area (haven)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) (Aaron Gustafson)
5. 05:47 AM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area (LINLARMAYES@aol.com)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (dj45)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: Trailering (BobTezyk)
8. 07:47 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Jim McBurney)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Darrell Haas)
10. 08:35 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Carl)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts ()
12. 01:09 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Tim Juhl)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area ()
14. 01:58 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Michael Hilderbrand)
15. 02:33 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Gary Liming)
16. 02:45 PM - Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) (kmccune)
17. 07:36 PM - Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl (alex_01)
18. 08:49 PM - Re: Zodiac Elevator Trim Tab (kit) (Ron Lendon)
19. 11:55 PM - Re: Another new CH701 builder here (rroberts)
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
Hey!
Go to your favorite airplane parts store online and search for "hand nibblers."
I got one for $20 from Avery Tools and wished Id discovered it two years ago.
Great tool.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
XL/Corvair
Wings 85% done
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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> I'm using a stepdrill to start the hole, then use
> aviation snips. If thats too tough, then use a
> series of small holes with a drill bit close to the
> edge, then use a file to finish it....Do not archive
--- Dave VanLanen wrote:
> What are other builders finding as the best tool for
> doing cutouts, such as
> access holes, trim tab cutouts, etc.? I do not use
> the Wiss snips because
> they tend to stretch the metal. I have an OLFA
> knife, which works great
> when cutting out flat stock, where the material can
> be backed up, but I
> can't figure out how to safely use it on a structure
> where the material
> cannot easily be backed up. I am currently using a
> Dremel tool with a
> cutting disk. It works well but it is risky, as the
> cutting wheel can
> "catch" on the material. This happened to me today,
> and put a slight
> abrasion on the skin - luckily it was not serious.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated, even if it means I
> gotta buy another tool.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Van Lanen
> 601XL - Elevator
>
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| Subject: | Newspaper feature |
Nice feature article in the Sunday, January 6, 2008, Anniston, Alabama, newspaper showing Tommy Walker's completed, and flying, 701. (see www.annistonstar.com)
Teaser photo on Page 1A, article on Page 1B.
Not sure you can actually see the photos online; site requires you "register" as
a user to read articles.
Congrats, Tommy!
Regards,
Zed/701 still under construction/etc
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| Subject: | Builders in Kansas City Area |
Good Morning,
Are there any zenith builders in the KC area. I would like to meet, and see your
project.
I moved here about 3 weeks ago, and as of yet have not started any build project,
but would love to see how one goes together.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) |
I believe there is probably about 1/2 of 1% of all the population that would
have difficulty scratch building a Zenith design. Those folks likely can't
read this message.
Although you can (and many have) spend thousands of dollars on tools, You
can also get by very well with a few hundred dollars worth, and most of
those you already own if you do an ocational handyman project around the
house or car.
The question comes down to, in this order
1. Your patience for delayed gratification
2. Your desire for experience and reward
3. ---
4. ---
5.Money
Aaron Gustafson 601HD 1st flight June 2007 Built over 11 years
Purchased nothing but the plans from Zac
no contact with them since that time
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| Subject: | Re: Builders in Kansas City Area |
Jeff
Mexico Missouri is a very active area for builders.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
Dave, I would suggest that you take a few pieces of scrap and practice some. I
have used wiss snips for over 40 years and if done right, they don't stretch the
metal. Use GOOD snips, not the cheap ones.
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Dan Stanton
N9801S
99.9% Done & Flying
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Scott,
Since Jay's bird is now residing in my hangar, I thought I would add to the pictures
Jay posted. His workmanship is very good.
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Bob Tezyk
N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300
Working on elevator
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip.
It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to
pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside
the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut
my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not
many) problems.
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
90% done 95% left
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter?
Darrell
On 1/11/08, Jim McBurney <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip.
> It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to
> pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside
> the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut
> my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not
> many) problems.
>
> Jim
>
> CH-801
> DeltaHawk diesel
> 90% done 95% left
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
Best Tool For Doing CutoutsDave
I use a step drill to to punch starter holes close to the edges (3/4" to
1") . If it's a square panel four holes near the corners then good right
and left hand snips with vertically offset handles to make a rough cut
to remove most of the panel. Folow with a final cut just short of the
line then finish with appropriate file and polish to finish the edges.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave VanLanen
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:54 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
That's what you use to cut your Jilsons,
Dred
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---- Darrell Haas <darrellhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
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> OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter?
> Darrell
>
> On 1/11/08, Jim McBurney <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip.
> > It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to
> > pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside
> > the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut
> > my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not
> > many) problems.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > CH-801
> > DeltaHawk diesel
> > 90% done 95% left
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
I would avoid power cutters unless you are using them just for rough cuts. You
really don't want to screw up those 12 foot wing skins and the like. I bought
a power nibbler that you insert in a drill but found it too hard to control when
making fine cuts. I use it for rough cuts and then finish with a hand tool.
For inspection holes I use a fly cutter (turned by hand) for the round holes and
an olfa knife to score the lines between them. Drill a large hole in the waste
with a step drill and then use shears, nibblers or whatever to cut the part
you're removing into sections that can be wiggled to break along the scored
lines. A good selection of files will be helpful in any case.
Regarding backing up the material being scored - I have at times cut some specific
backup pieces out of scrap wood. For example, a wedge to go inside a control
surface where I am cutting out a section for a trim tab. I also have a couple
of flat pieces with holes drilled to match the shaft of the flycutter which
have been very useful in doing inspection holes.
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
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| Subject: | Re: Builders in Kansas City Area |
Go thou to Lee's Summit Airport January 21, and sit in on the EAA (at
the blue hangar) meeting at 7PM. If you're not already a member, you c
an join. We have one 601HDS completed, three XLs , and a 701 in progre
ss. At least one other 601 hasn't gotten to the hangar yet. We'd be gl
ad to show you around, and answer any questions. Or show up almost any
nice Saturday afternoon, there's usually someone working.=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
Got my hand nibbler from Radio Shack for around $6
Michael Hilderbrand
Derby, Kansas
Http://www.kansasflying.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:05:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts
Hey!
Go to your favorite airplane parts store online and search for "hand nibblers."
I got one for $20 from Avery Tools and wished Id discovered it two years ago.
Great tool.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
XL/Corvair
Wings 85% done
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm using a stepdrill to start the hole, then use
> aviation snips. If thats too tough, then use a
> series of small holes with a drill bit close to the
> edge, then use a file to finish it....Do not archive
--- Dave VanLanen wrote:
> What are other builders finding as the best tool for
> doing cutouts, such as
> access holes, trim tab cutouts, etc.? I
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| Subject: | Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts |
At 10:17 AM 1/11/2008, you wrote:
>
>OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter?
>Darrell
If you go to www.liming.org/ch801/tools,html
there is a picture of a Jilson tool about halfway down. (actually it
is a picture of a Harbor Freight cheap clone of a Jilson tool.)
Gary L.
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| Subject: | Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) |
Congrats on the new plane Aaron!
I'll second his comments, even though I'm at the beginning of my build.
People are all different and thats a good thing, it gives us a diversity that is
essential. ( though annoying at times :^) )Just remember to ask yourself, if
the process of hand forming a rib... is important to you. I get a lot of satisfaction
from taking raw materials and making them into ...something. In this
case its an airplane, like said on the home built help video, what a prize to
end up with! ( I may have misquoted but you get the idea)
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Kevin
N701DZ Reserved
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| Subject: | Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl |
i am considering to change from Y control to dual control can anyone help me with
some drawings??
thank you
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| Subject: | Re: Zodiac Elevator Trim Tab (kit) |
I scratch built but here are the log entries of how the part was tweaked into shape.
Might give ya some ideas if the want to try and adjust the shape.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=14749&row=393
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Another new CH701 builder here |
Curt..welcome to the MAY-HIM [Wink]
Don't forget to join your local EAA chapter. They could be a valuable resource
when needed.
Enjoy ...and don't forget the First-Aid Kit. :D
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Low & Slow
Rick
www.n701rr.com
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