---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/11/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Debo Cox) 2. 05:03 AM - Newspaper feature (Zed Smith) 3. 05:08 AM - Builders in Kansas City Area (haven) 4. 05:35 AM - Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) (Aaron Gustafson) 5. 05:47 AM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area (LINLARMAYES@aol.com) 6. 06:32 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (dj45) 7. 07:43 AM - Re: Trailering (BobTezyk) 8. 07:47 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Jim McBurney) 9. 08:18 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Darrell Haas) 10. 08:35 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Carl) 11. 08:51 AM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts () 12. 01:09 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Tim Juhl) 13. 01:21 PM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area () 14. 01:58 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Michael Hilderbrand) 15. 02:33 PM - Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts (Gary Liming) 16. 02:45 PM - Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) (kmccune) 17. 07:36 PM - Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl (alex_01) 18. 08:49 PM - Re: Zodiac Elevator Trim Tab (kit) (Ron Lendon) 19. 11:55 PM - Re: Another new CH701 builder here (rroberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:58 AM PST US From: Debo Cox Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts Hey! Go to your favorite airplane parts store online and search for "hand nibblers." I got one for $20 from Avery Tools and wished Id discovered it two years ago. Great tool. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair Wings 85% done www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive > I'm using a stepdrill to start the hole, then use > aviation snips. If thats too tough, then use a > series of small holes with a drill bit close to the > edge, then use a file to finish it....Do not archive --- Dave VanLanen wrote: > What are other builders finding as the best tool for > doing cutouts, such as > access holes, trim tab cutouts, etc.? I do not use > the Wiss snips because > they tend to stretch the metal. I have an OLFA > knife, which works great > when cutting out flat stock, where the material can > be backed up, but I > can't figure out how to safely use it on a structure > where the material > cannot easily be backed up. I am currently using a > Dremel tool with a > cutting disk. It works well but it is risky, as the > cutting wheel can > "catch" on the material. This happened to me today, > and put a slight > abrasion on the skin - luckily it was not serious. > > Any advice would be appreciated, even if it means I > gotta buy another tool. > > Thanks, > Dave Van Lanen > 601XL - Elevator > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:51 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: Newspaper feature Nice feature article in the Sunday, January 6, 2008, Anniston, Alabama, newspaper showing Tommy Walker's completed, and flying, 701. (see www.annistonstar.com) Teaser photo on Page 1A, article on Page 1B. Not sure you can actually see the photos online; site requires you "register" as a user to read articles. Congrats, Tommy! Regards, Zed/701 still under construction/etc do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area From: "haven" Good Morning, Are there any zenith builders in the KC area. I would like to meet, and see your project. I moved here about 3 weeks ago, and as of yet have not started any build project, but would love to see how one goes together. Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157417#157417 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:25 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) I believe there is probably about 1/2 of 1% of all the population that would have difficulty scratch building a Zenith design. Those folks likely can't read this message. Although you can (and many have) spend thousands of dollars on tools, You can also get by very well with a few hundred dollars worth, and most of those you already own if you do an ocational handyman project around the house or car. The question comes down to, in this order 1. Your patience for delayed gratification 2. Your desire for experience and reward 3. --- 4. --- 5.Money Aaron Gustafson 601HD 1st flight June 2007 Built over 11 years Purchased nothing but the plans from Zac no contact with them since that time do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:55 AM PST US From: LINLARMAYES@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area Jeff Mexico Missouri is a very active area for builders. Larry **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:30 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts From: "dj45" Dave, I would suggest that you take a few pieces of scrap and practice some. I have used wiss snips for over 40 years and if done right, they don't stretch the metal. Use GOOD snips, not the cheap ones. -------- Do not archive Dan Stanton N9801S 99.9% Done & Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157429#157429 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:24 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Trailering From: "BobTezyk" Scott, Since Jay's bird is now residing in my hangar, I thought I would add to the pictures Jay posted. His workmanship is very good. -------- do not archive Regards, Bob Tezyk N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300 Working on elevator http://neo.datamatrix.com/eaglesnestestates/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=32&catid=23 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157443#157443 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_1502_242.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_1501_121.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_1499_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dcp_1500_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:20 AM PST US From: "Jim McBurney" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip. It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not many) problems. Jim CH-801 DeltaHawk diesel 90% done 95% left ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:33 AM PST US From: "Darrell Haas" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter? Darrell On 1/11/08, Jim McBurney wrote: > > I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip. > It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to > pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside > the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut > my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not > many) problems. > > Jim > > CH-801 > DeltaHawk diesel > 90% done 95% left > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:42 AM PST US From: "Carl" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts Best Tool For Doing CutoutsDave I use a step drill to to punch starter holes close to the edges (3/4" to 1") . If it's a square panel four holes near the corners then good right and left hand snips with vertically offset handles to make a rough cut to remove most of the panel. Folow with a final cut just short of the line then finish with appropriate file and polish to finish the edges. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave VanLanen To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:01 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts That's what you use to cut your Jilsons, Dred Do Not Archive ---- Darrell Haas wrote: > > OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter? > Darrell > > On 1/11/08, Jim McBurney wrote: > > > > I found a Dremel attachment at Lowe's that made it a kind of junior Rotozip. > > It works well, but BE CAREFUL! Hold it tight when using, as it will want to > > pull to one side. You've got to show it who's master. Cut slightly inside > > the line, then use a Jilson cutter to trim, then finish with a file. I cut > > my rear windows this way, on the plane, vertically, and had no (well, not > > many) problems. > > > > Jim > > > > CH-801 > > DeltaHawk diesel > > 90% done 95% left > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:55 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts From: "Tim Juhl" I would avoid power cutters unless you are using them just for rough cuts. You really don't want to screw up those 12 foot wing skins and the like. I bought a power nibbler that you insert in a drill but found it too hard to control when making fine cuts. I use it for rough cuts and then finish with a hand tool. For inspection holes I use a fly cutter (turned by hand) for the round holes and an olfa knife to score the lines between them. Drill a large hole in the waste with a step drill and then use shears, nibblers or whatever to cut the part you're removing into sections that can be wiggled to break along the scored lines. A good selection of files will be helpful in any case. Regarding backing up the material being scored - I have at times cut some specific backup pieces out of scrap wood. For example, a wedge to go inside a control surface where I am cutting out a section for a trim tab. I also have a couple of flat pieces with holes drilled to match the shaft of the flycutter which have been very useful in doing inspection holes. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157528#157528 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:09 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area Go thou to Lee's Summit Airport January 21, and sit in on the EAA (at the blue hangar) meeting at 7PM. If you're not already a member, you c an join. We have one 601HDS completed, three XLs , and a 701 in progre ss. At least one other 601 hasn't gotten to the hangar yet. We'd be gl ad to show you around, and answer any questions. Or show up almost any nice Saturday afternoon, there's usually someone working.=0A=0A Paul Rodriguez=0A601XL/Corvair=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: haven =0A To: zenith-list@m atronics.com =0A Sent: Friday, J anuary 11, 2008 7:05 AM=0A Subject: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansa en" >=0A=0A Good Morn ing,=0A=0A Are there any zenith builders in the KC area. I wou ld like to meet, and see your project. =0A I moved here about 3 w eeks ago, and as of yet have not started any build project, but would love to see how one goes together.=0A=0A Jeff=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A Read this topic online here:=0A=0A http://forums. matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157417#157417=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= matronics.com/contribution ======================= =================0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:54 PM PST US From: Michael Hilderbrand Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts Got my hand nibbler from Radio Shack for around $6 Michael Hilderbrand Derby, Kansas Http://www.kansasflying.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Debo Cox Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:05:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts Hey! Go to your favorite airplane parts store online and search for "hand nibblers." I got one for $20 from Avery Tools and wished Id discovered it two years ago. Great tool. Debo Cox Nags Head, NC XL/Corvair Wings 85% done www.mykitlog.com/debo do not archive ROBERT SCEPPA wrote: > I'm using a stepdrill to start the hole, then use > aviation snips. If thats too tough, then use a > series of small holes with a drill bit close to the > edge, then use a file to finish it....Do not archive --- Dave VanLanen wrote: > What are other builders finding as the best tool for > doing cutouts, such as > access holes, trim tab cutouts, etc.? I ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:26 PM PST US From: Gary Liming Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Best Tool For Doing Cutouts At 10:17 AM 1/11/2008, you wrote: > >OK, I also use a Dremel Tool but what is a Jilson Cutter? >Darrell If you go to www.liming.org/ch801/tools,html there is a picture of a Jilson tool about halfway down. (actually it is a picture of a Harbor Freight cheap clone of a Jilson tool.) Gary L. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:30 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Why Scratch Build (a newbie wonders out loud) From: "kmccune" Congrats on the new plane Aaron! I'll second his comments, even though I'm at the beginning of my build. People are all different and thats a good thing, it gives us a diversity that is essential. ( though annoying at times :^) )Just remember to ask yourself, if the process of hand forming a rib... is important to you. I get a lot of satisfaction from taking raw materials and making them into ...something. In this case its an airplane, like said on the home built help video, what a prize to end up with! ( I may have misquoted but you get the idea) -------- Kevin N701DZ Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157546#157546 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl From: "alex_01" i am considering to change from Y control to dual control can anyone help me with some drawings?? thank you Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157573#157573 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zodiac Elevator Trim Tab (kit) From: "Ron Lendon" I scratch built but here are the log entries of how the part was tweaked into shape. Might give ya some ideas if the want to try and adjust the shape. http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=14749&row=393 -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157580#157580 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Another new CH701 builder here From: "rroberts" Curt..welcome to the MAY-HIM [Wink] Don't forget to join your local EAA chapter. They could be a valuable resource when needed. Enjoy ...and don't forget the First-Aid Kit. :D -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157592#157592 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.