---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/12/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:09 AM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area (Juan Vega) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: Newspaper feature (Tommy Walker) 3. 06:18 AM - XL wing locker arm measurement (Darryl Legg) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: Newspaper feature (ROBERT SCEPPA) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Builders in Kansas City Area (Art Olechowski) 6. 09:48 AM - Re: XL wing locker arm measurement (kensmith@springnet1.com) 7. 10:44 AM - 701 Elevator Cable Balancing (Jeffrey A Beachy) 8. 12:57 PM - Inspection Checklist (Dan) 9. 01:27 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (rroberts) 10. 01:29 PM - Re: Newspaper feature (rroberts) 11. 01:54 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (Bill Naumuk) 12. 02:46 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (kmccune) 13. 03:46 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (Bryan Martin) 14. 03:46 PM - 701 Elevator Cable Balancing (Joe Spencer) 15. 03:46 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (n801bh@netzero.com) 16. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Inspection Checklist (Bill Naumuk) 17. 05:10 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (Kevin L. Rupert) 18. 05:44 PM - Re: 912 Service Bulletin (Tommy Walker) 19. 06:36 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (Gary Ray) 20. 07:18 PM - Re: Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl (chris Sinfield) 21. 07:26 PM - Re: Inspection Checklist (Christian Tremblay) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:41 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area Paul, where are you from My Mom's maiden name is Rodriquez Juan Vega -----Original Message----- >From: paulrod36@msn.com >Sent: Jan 11, 2008 4:18 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area > >Go thou to Lee's Summit Airport January 21, and sit in on the EAA (at the blue hangar) meeting at 7PM. If you're not already a member, you can join. We have one 601HDS completed, three XLs , and a 701 in progress. At least one other 601 hasn't gotten to the hangar yet. We'd be glad to show you around, and answer any questions. Or show up almost any nice Saturday afternoon, there's usually someone working. > >Paul Rodriguez >601XL/Corvair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: haven > To: zenith-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:05 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area > > > > Good Morning, > > Are there any zenith builders in the KC area. I would like to meet, and see your project. > I moved here about 3 weeks ago, and as of yet have not started any build project, but would love to see how one goes together. > > Jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157417#157417 > > >===================================================================================================================matronics.com/contribution >====================================== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:12 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Newspaper feature Zed, A reporter for the local paper asked to do a story on our 701 when we got it completed. I know what they say about fool's names and monkey's faces, but I did it anyway. Here's a link to the article, minus the front page picture: http://myweb.cableone.net/twalker/010608_B.pdf Thanks, Tommy Walker, N8701 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL wing locker arm measurement From: "Darryl Legg" Hi all, Can anyone tell me the arm measurement for the wing lockers please,wing is too far away at the moment [Laughing] Darryl do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157612#157612 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:20 AM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Newspaper feature > I wonder why there was an obit beside the your story > Tom. Kinda inappropiate, don't ya think? --- Tommy Walker wrote: > Zed, > > > > A reporter for the local paper asked to do a story > on our 701 when we got it > completed. I know what they say about fool's names > and monkey's faces, but > I did it anyway. > > > > Here's a link to the article, minus the front page > picture: > > > > http://myweb.cableone.net/twalker/010608_B.pdf > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tommy Walker, > > N8701 > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:21 AM PST US From: Art Olechowski Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Builders in Kansas City Area Jeff, I'm in Wichita but I don't have enough of an airplane to look at. I'm working on finishing up the rudder and have yet to order any sheet metal. do not archive Art --- haven wrote: > > Good Morning, > > Are there any zenith builders in the KC area. I would like to meet, and see your project. > I moved here about 3 weeks ago, and as of yet have not started any build project, but would love > to see how one goes together. > > Jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157417#157417 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:30 AM PST US From: "kensmith@springnet1.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: XL wing locker arm measurement 23.8" aft the the leading edge of the wing; so the arm would be +23.8 if you are using the leading edge for datum. Darryl Legg wrote: > >Hi all, >Can anyone tell me the arm measurement for the wing lockers please,wing is too far away at the moment [Laughing] >Darryl >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157612#157612 > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:09 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Elevator Cable Balancing From: Jeffrey A Beachy I am currently flying my Phase 1 test hours. One thing I noticed is a tendency for the stick to move to the left. I don't think this is a heavy left wing, but rather the elevator cable tension caused by the elevator bellcrank being off-center. This is a common issue with the 701 and has been discussed in the archives. I have installed the bungee as instructed and it helps, but the control stick still favors moving to the left side. In searching the archives, I found one builder who installed a nylon fairlead on the back bottom of the baggage compartment for the upper cable (that is, the upper cable at the aileron bellcrank 7C1-1. This cable goes to the bottom of the elevator) to run through. In experimenting, this solution does a better job at evening the control stick balance between left and right. For any of you that have installed such a fairlead, is this a good solution? Have you had any issues with the side pull on the aileron bellcrank that such a fairlead would produce? How long does the nylon fairlead last before wearing through? Have you had any problems with using such a fairlead? Any things to look out for? My issue with the bungee is that, to completely balance the stick, my upper cable (at the bellcrank) is pulled so far to the starboard side that it hits the flaperon control threaded rod. Also, my lower cable just brushes the 7F6-1 bottom channel. I can add a piece of nylon on top of the bottom channel but I would prefer that the cable doesn't rub it at all. I have also considered remaking the aileron bellcrank with a slightly raised lower hole, but this will affect the elevator travel. If others have different solutions (in lieu of the bungee), I would be interested in reading and seeing those solutions. Thanks! Jeff Beachy CH701, Phase 1 Testing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:20 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist All: Yesterday I went to get my Repairman Inspection Authorization from the local FSDO. This took over an hour for some reason. Anyway while I was there, he asked if I had a construction checklist for my airplane (701). He said Zenith should have provided or made available one. Apparently this checklist is something you sign or check off each time you complete an assembly. I can find no such thing. Does anyone have a clue what he was talking about? Also he pointed out some errors my DAR made when he issued my Special Airworthiness Certificate. Hopefully that will not come back to bite me somehow. I did receive my Inspection Authorization but it appears the FAA could use some better organization to speed up the process. It is totally asinine the amount of nitpicking they do or at least are required to do. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection Checklist From: "rroberts" Dan, Looks like every FSDO might be different. Did mine via the US mail. The guy called me and wanted me to send in a copy of my builders log. About two weeks later, along came my certificate. Painless. Mine was the Atlanta FSDO. -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157679#157679 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Newspaper feature From: "rroberts" Very nice article Tommy and Randy. Look out for Entertainment Tonight [Exclamation] Naaa..Ms Spears has that one sewed up [Wink] Congrats [Exclamation] [Exclamation] -------- Low & Slow Rick www.n701rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157680#157680 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist Dan- There's a checklist at the start of each section of my 601HDS manual. Wonder if that's what he's talking about? Definitely chickenshit, because you could check things off before you ever completed them! Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:02 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist > > All: Yesterday I went to get my Repairman Inspection Authorization from > the local FSDO. This took over an hour for some reason. Anyway while I > was there, he asked if I had a construction checklist for my airplane > (701). He said Zenith should have provided or made available one. > Apparently this checklist is something you sign or check off each time you > complete an assembly. I can find no such thing. Does anyone have a clue > what he was talking about? > > Also he pointed out some errors my DAR made when he issued my Special > Airworthiness Certificate. Hopefully that will not come back to bite me > somehow. > I did receive my Inspection Authorization but it appears the FAA could use > some better organization to speed up the process. It is totally asinine > the amount of nitpicking they do or at least are required to do. > > Dan Wilde > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection Checklist From: "kmccune" Why would you check off things that are not done/completed? Its your neck the check list is protecting. -------- Kevin N701DZ Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157688#157688 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist At the Detroit FSDO all he wanted to see is the construction logbook with photos and the aircraft registration. You need to show evidence that you were actually the person that built the airplane. On Jan 12, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Dan wrote: > > All: Yesterday I went to get my Repairman Inspection Authorization > from the local FSDO. This took over an hour for some reason. > Anyway while I was there, he asked if I had a construction checklist > for my airplane (701). He said Zenith should have provided or made > available one. Apparently this checklist is something you sign or > check off each time you complete an assembly. I can find no such > thing. Does anyone have a clue what he was talking about? > > Dan Wilde > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 PM PST US From: "Joe Spencer" Subject: Zenith-List: 701 Elevator Cable Balancing Instead of the bungee(which I think is to keep the cables from rubbing together??) I slipped a long length of vinyl tubing over one of the cables and then just let them rub. I will inspect that cable for corrosion under the tubing annually but don't really expect to find any. I also put a rub guard on the lower crossmember you mention. I am running my down cable as loose as I can stand it to avoid binding with right aileron application, particularly with flaps extended. Joe ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist For what it's worth my 801 kit had a complete assembly manual. At the e nd of each section there was a checklist and a place to sign off the sub assembly. Of course neither the FAA or the DAR even asked to look at i t. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- Dan wrote: All: Yesterday I went to get my Repairman Inspection Authorization from the local FSDO. This took over an hour for some reason. Anyway while I was there, he asked if I had a construction checklist for my airplane (701). He said Zenith should have provided or made available one. Apparently this checklist is something you sign or check off each time you complete an assembly. I can find no such thing. Does anyone have a clue what he was talking about? Also he pointed out some errors my DAR made when he issued my Special Airworthiness Certificate. Hopefully that will not come back to bite me somehow. I did receive my Inspection Authorization but it appears the FAA could use some better organization to speed up the process. It is totally asinine the amount of nitpicking they do or at least are required to do. Dan Wilde ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== _____________________________________________________________ Financial Career Training - Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4vD3H027LfTpaBgLYJG IIV0hjIyqHzmqaqhO8hHDJuggVPj8/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection Checklist Not in the least. I just mentioned it to point out how ridiculous the system is. Over and out. Do not archive. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:41 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Inspection Checklist > > Why would you check off things that are not done/completed? Its your neck > the check list is protecting. > > -------- > Kevin > N701DZ Reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157688#157688 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:06 PM PST US From: "Kevin L. Rupert" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist Dan, I know it's only semantics, but you did not get a "Repairman Inspection Authorization". Technically, there is no such privilege. You may perform a *"Condition Inspection" *on a specific aircraft built by you, the certificate holder as per FAR 65.104. Inspection Authorizations are only available to A&P mechanics who have been active for a minimum of 3 years. Kevin Rupert ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:11 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 912 Service Bulletin From: "Tommy Walker" Hi Joe, I have enjoyed reading your posts on the Zenith list for the last couple of years. I have the 912ULS and got the Service Bulletin about the Gearbox. Fortunately, our S/N is not included in the affected gearboxes. I think that Rotax has experienced a lot of growth in the markets they serve with the 912/914 engines. It looks to me like they are the victim of suppliers who might not have met the material specifications for component parts. This sounds like a lot of the same problems that Lycoming and Continental experienced over the last several decades. I do hope that Rotax steps up to the plate and helps the affected owners with repairs. I am glad though that Rotax is doing the things necessary to keep the owners up to date about problems and letting us know what to do to correct those problems (I may sing a different tune when/if I have to shell our $$$$ to fix problems :) ). What if we didn't have this resource to let us know about problems? Flying is an expensive hobby isn't it? ! Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive [quote="jpspencer(at)cableone.net"]Anybody seen the latest Rotax Mandatory SB on the 912 mandating changing out a bunch of gearboxes? Looking for more info here...wondering if this is just more Rotax hand wringing/liability BS or if this one is real...I have one that's been in service for 1 Year 2 months with 117 hours on it. Let's see if there is any factory assistance on it. This is the kind of BS that drives people out of aviation. Joe > [b] -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157734#157734 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:13 PM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist "Repairman Experimental Aircraft Builder" is the wording on the card indicating your authorization as a repairman. On the back of the card it will list the specific aircraft that the card applies to. My FAA rep emphasized the specific wording that needs to be entered into the aircraft log book on the annual condition inspections and the need to keep accurate records of deficiencies found and the work performed to remedy the situation. Gary Ray ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Drawings =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=C3=BCr?= dual control 601xl From: "chris Sinfield" Yes sir I can.. Zenith sells them and the right to build a set.. They can also send you a kit of all the parts needed. When I looked at all the little individual bits needed, I figured it would cost less in $ to buy the kit than spend my time and petrol running around getting the stuff. Have a look at the photo guides as a start. Chris. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157754#157754 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US From: Christian Tremblay Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist Hi Dan, I got IPLs (Inspection Part List) sheets for my own plane CH640. It's a current process in the aeronautical and other industries for insure good process assembly. I find mine on Zenith Web Site. Look for yours. I attach one file example of mine to this email to show you what's it's look like. Christian Tremblay A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan http://www.zodiac640.com/ -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Dan Envoy=E9 : Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:03 PM =C0 : Zenith List Objet : Zenith-List: Inspection Checklist All: Yesterday I went to get my Repairman Inspection Authorization from the local FSDO. This took over an hour for some reason. Anyway while I was there, he asked if I had a construction checklist for my airplane (701). He said Zenith should have provided or made available one. Apparently this checklist is something you sign or check off each time you complete an assembly. I can find no such thing. Does anyone have a clue what he was talking about? Also he pointed out some errors my DAR made when he issued my Special Airworthiness Certificate. Hopefully that will not come back to bite me somehow. I did receive my Inspection Authorization but it appears the FAA could use some better organization to speed up the process. It is totally asinine the amount of nitpicking they do or at least are required to do. Dan Wilde ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.