---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/27/08: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:49 AM - Lift sling for the CH-701 (Carl) 2. 09:10 AM - Motivation for the Weary (cookwithgas) 3. 10:43 AM - Rebuilding files (Bill Naumuk) 4. 10:49 AM - Electrical wires from engine (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 5. 11:16 AM - Re: Re: Cabin airfoilRe: Cabin airfoil (paul baker) 6. 11:42 AM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (LarryMcFarland) 7. 11:47 AM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (ashontz) 8. 11:50 AM - Re: Lift sling for the CH-701 (Les Goldner) 9. 11:52 AM - Re: William Wynne (ashontz) 10. 12:09 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (cookwithgas) 11. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Cabin airfoil () 12. 12:21 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (Bill Naumuk) 13. 12:30 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Jaybannist@cs.com) 14. 12:45 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Terry Phillips) 15. 12:45 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Jim Hoak) 16. 12:47 PM - Re: Rebuilding files (Carlos Sa) 17. 01:01 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Bryan Martin) 18. 04:07 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (kmccune) 19. 04:44 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Tim Juhl) 20. 04:55 PM - XL - Longeron rivet size (Tim Juhl) 21. 05:42 PM - Re: Rebuilding files (Bill Naumuk) 22. 05:48 PM - Re: XL - Longeron rivet size (Brad Cohen) 23. 06:30 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (cookwithgas) 24. 06:37 PM - Re: Rotary engines for all Zenith Aircraft (Ron Lendon) 25. 06:43 PM - Re: Electrical wires from engine (Jeyoung65@aol.com) 26. 06:43 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (jhines) 27. 06:56 PM - Re: Cabib airfoil (on the 701) (John M. Goodings) 28. 07:14 PM - test flight (THOMAS SMALL) 29. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Electrical wires from engine (Terry Phillips) 30. 07:48 PM - fuel system part F964-6 (chris Sinfield) 31. 08:11 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (stepinwolf) 32. 08:31 PM - Re: Motivation for the Weary (jhines) 33. 09:34 PM - Fw: CorvAircraft>140 crankshaft (Aerolitellc@aol.com) 34. 11:39 PM - Re: fuel system part F964-6 (Bryan Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:46 AM PST US From: "Carl" Subject: Zenith-List: Lift sling for the CH-701 I would like to use a sling to lift my a/c to removal and inspect the main gear spring. I have seen slings for other high wing a/c that attach to the fuselage wing attach point and they look very functional. Has anyone done this? Has Chris H approved lifting the 701 this way? Any help appreciated. Please reply on this list. Carl ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Motivation for the Weary From: "cookwithgas" If you are sitting at your computer this morning wondering if it is too cold to go out into the garage and start cutting, drilling, de-burring and riveting, here's a short video I took yesterday of N5SL on her third flight of testing. http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/January_26_testflight.wmv Warning - it's a large file. Ron Gawer was the test pilot. It's got 7 hours flying on the hobbs since I got the pink slip from the FAA. Happy building (and flying), Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Wahoo, Nebraska Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160661#160661 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:02 AM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Rebuilding files All- Had a runaway DVD drive that wrote 0s to my hard drive on Christmas day. Lost some of my "Keeper" files (Lister ideas that I was going to incorporate in my project when the time came). I'm currently installing major systems and would appreciate the following information- Thomas Jefferson Small- pictures of your ELT installation. Klaus (I can't remember your last name, but you're a retired computer professor)- link to your site re: C-section to fuse fillets. Any XL builder- a list of the brake fitting hardware and supplied tubing length, so I have an idea of what to order from ACS. Incidentally, WW must have made a New Year's resolution to answer his e-mail. Many thanks to WW for easing the uncertainty. In the long run, better communication will be of great benefit. Realtime builder reports of the parts they need at their stage of building will give him a better grip on inventory prioritization. Thanks, people. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:04 AM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and sealant? Jerry of Ga. DO NOT ARCHIVE **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:49 AM PST US From: "paul baker" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin airfoilRe: Cabin airfoil actually!!! After 60 years of flying, the thing that keeps an airplane in the air is MONEY. If God had entended man to fly he would have given him more money. Enjoy flying... paul baker 601hd ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:29 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine Jerry, Use your step drill and size it for a rubber grommet that will take the bundle of wires going thru. If you plan your wiring, you should only need one on either side of the firewall. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/electricgroundbus.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote: > How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin > through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp > sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and > sealant? Jerry of Ga. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "ashontz" Great looking airplane. It just looks like a real plane instead of a homebuilt between you're professionalism and the design. Love it! Can't wait to finish mine. When you completed the wings and started the fuselage, did you move into a more productive mode due to it finally starting to look like something? I'm anticipating that. cookwithgas wrote: > If you are sitting at your computer this morning wondering if it is too cold to go out into the garage and start cutting, drilling, de-burring and riveting, here's a short video I took yesterday of N5SL on her third flight of testing. > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/January_26_testflight.wmv > Warning - it's a large file. > > Ron Gawer was the test pilot. It's got 7 hours flying on the hobbs since I got the pink slip from the FAA. > > Happy building (and flying), > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > Wahoo, Nebraska -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160678#160678 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:54 AM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Lift sling for the CH-701 Carl, Paul Reinders, a very experienced (35,000 hour) Alaskan pilot who has a 701 ski/float plane, attached tangs to the plane for picking it up to change skis and floats. The tangs need to be placed facing upward and running parallel with the air flow on both forward wing root attachment points at the place where the wing is bolted to the fus. My 701 does not have any main gear spring (although the gear probably has some spring in it). Does your 701 have some new or specially designed gear? Regards, Les _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Lift sling for the CH-701 I would like to use a sling to lift my a/c to removal and inspect the main gear spring. I have seen slings for other high wing a/c that attach to the fuselage wing attach point and they look very functional. Has anyone done this? Has Chris H approved lifting the 701 this way? Any help appreciated. Please reply on this list. Carl ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:35 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: William Wynne From: "ashontz" I don't know why anyone would come down on him. I've been reading his articles for years, he's just a small shop with a lot of demand. Personally, if I get nothing other than info from him and do all the work myself based on his how to manual that'll be enough for me. You can expcet only so much from one man or a small shop with a lot of customers. [quote="garythomas8708(at)yahoo.c"]All, This may not be the right forum for this, but I feel compelled to comment on the recent speculation regarding William Wynne and people's expectations for customer service. Clearly we are not dealing with Walmart here - he doesn't have a computerised inventory system using just-in-time algorithms. This is just one man trying to research improvements to the application (and he has made many, including multiple iterations of the oil system), build and outsource components, write educational manuals, answer the phone and provide advice. On top of that he built a 601XL airplane and gave rides in it (I was one lucky recipient when I first moved down to Florida). As this stage of his business (where his products continue to evolve), the occasional hiccup is to be expected. Like many others, I have had to wait for parts. I think the solution is to prepare well ahead of time and work on the engine in parallel with the airframe. There are plenty of head-scratching moments in putting together an engine, and the more time you allow yourself, the less time for anxiety over shipments. I will grant one minor criticism - he is sometimes can't be reached and is reluctant to give bad news about delays; this only adds to the anxiety of those more used to running down to walmart to pick up items at short notice. For the solution, see prior paragraph. The flip side to this is his generosity with time when you do reach him. He is full of encouragement and helpful advice for what after all is a pretty challenging endeavor. Given his obvious pride in driving old trucks, he is not doing this to get rich. So when he sells his plane, I see that less as a sign of problems than as a sign that he intends to get inventories built up to satisfy what appears to be a growing number of customers. Obviously we're all grown-ups and can make our own choices. We're also all smart enough to see through the idle speculation and misinformation to get at the real gems of insight on this forum. My advice - talk to someone who's already done it. Best wishes to all Gary Thomas 601XL / Corvair, 95% done, 95% still to go > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160679#160679 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "cookwithgas" ashontz wrote: > > When you completed the wings and started the fuselage, did you move into a more productive mode due to it finally starting to look like something? Absolutely. The only slow time was building the second wing since I had already done that and was really ready to start on the fuselage. It was fun the whole time though. Do a little each day even if it's just cleaning up a little. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160682#160682 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:27 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin airfoil uh uh. Lift is provided by Washington, Franklin, Jackson, Grant, et al. Everything else is merely the means by which they are applied. Paul Rodriguez DO NOT ARCHIVE. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Berle To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin airfoil > Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > In fact, most of the lift is provided by Newton, pushing on the bottom surface of the wing (With enough power, you can fly a barn door). This speaks very loudly about the "expertise" of some of our most prolific posters, right? Louder than you think :) The real expert aerodynamicists out there have explained that the circulation flow pattern around the airfoil, and the amount of air being displaced downward, contributes far more than the Bernoulli effect or the "planing" effect you mention. I am not an expert on the circulation theory but I am aware that all of the real, employed, expert level aerodynamics people 100% believe in it. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:46 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Motivation for the Weary Scott- I was thinking about having someone do my initial flight testing, but heard there's a bureaucratic hangup. Thoughts? Bill do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "cookwithgas" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Motivation for the Weary > > If you are sitting at your computer this morning wondering if it is too > cold to go out into the garage and start cutting, drilling, de-burring and > riveting, here's a short video I took yesterday of N5SL on her third > flight of testing. > > http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/January_26_testflight.wmv > Warning - it's a large file. > > Ron Gawer was the test pilot. It's got 7 hours flying on the hobbs since > I got the pink slip from the FAA. > > Happy building (and flying), > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > Wahoo, Nebraska > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160661#160661 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:30 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine Jerry, I used rubber grommets, steel grommet covers and RTV sealant for the small wires. I think I have three firewall penetrations for that. I used the recommended thru-firewall connectors for the high tension wiring and battery to starter cables. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser" Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote: >How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin through >the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp sealant around >the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and sealant? Jerry of Ga. > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:05 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine I am planning to use the stainless steel penetration kits sold by http://www.epm-avcorp.com/tubeseal.html I think it is very important to isolate the engine compartment from the passenger compartment. There has been a lot of discussion on the RV Forums on this subject. See, e.g., http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=283 Having said that, unless one is going to protect the steering rod penetrations of the firewall in the Zenith designs to a similar extent, why worry about the electrical line penetrations? I haven't decided what to do about the steering rods. All the recent discussion about tail-draggers has made me reconsider that option. Terry At 11:03 AM 1/27/2008 -0500, you wrote: >How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin >through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp >sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and sealant? >Jerry of Ga. > Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Hoak" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine Jerry, I used rubber grommets and a dab of sealant too where wires pass through the firewall. Twelve years and 570 hours with no problems yet. I think you need more than just sealant. Connectors are great but can be expensive. do not archive Jim Hoak ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeyoung65@aol.com To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and sealant? Jerry of Ga. DO NOT ARCHIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:39 PM PST US From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuilding files Klaus' web site: http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/airplane.html Cheers Carlos On 27/01/2008, Bill Naumuk wrote: > > All- > Had a runaway DVD drive that wrote 0s to my hard drive on Christmas > day. Lost some of my "Keeper" files (Lister ideas that I was going to > incorporate in my project when the time came). > I'm currently installing major systems and would appreciate the > following information- > Thomas Jefferson Small- pictures of your ELT installation. > Klaus (I can't remember your last name, but you're a retired computer > professor)- link to your site re: C-section to fuse fillets. > Any XL builder- a list of the brake fitting hardware and supplied > tubing length, so I have an idea of what to order from ACS. > Incidentally, WW must have made a New Year's resolution to answer his > e-mail. Many thanks to WW for easing the uncertainty. In the long run, > better communication will be of great benefit. Realtime builder reports of > the parts they need at their stage of building will give him a better grip > on inventory prioritization. > Thanks, people. > do not archive > Bill Naumuk > Townville, Pa. > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:51 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine I used a 12 pin Molex connector. I mounted the female side in the firewall as a bulkhead connector. The male part plugs into this from the cabin side of the firewall. On the engine side of the firewall, I riveted a steel shell around the Molex connector and filled it up with high temp RTV to make a fire resistant seal. I got the connectors from Radio Shack, one of the few connectors they sell that I found acceptable for use in my airplane. For the main battery cable, I bought a pass though connector from Jeg's: http://tinyurl.com/2qclou On Jan 27, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Jeyoung65@aol.com wrote: > How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin > through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp > sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and > sealant? Jerry of Ga. > > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical wires from engine From: "kmccune" If you use Molex connectors be sure to check that the male/female pin sizes are correct. I have run into a number of problems at work were the connection was loose and caused PLC input to "flash like a Christmas tree" when a little vibration occurred. But pay attention they are wonderful connections. -------- Kevin N701DZ Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160721#160721 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:18 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical wires from engine From: "Tim Juhl" Feel free to flame the following suggestion but after looking at the kit from epm-avcorp I got an idea. How about penetrating the firewall with a 1 inch diameter round aluminum flange riveted in place with the flange in the cabin ($6.70 - PN 10350-4) then slipping a section of 1 inch ID firesleeve over it ($10.90 / foot - PN AE102-16). Part numbers are from AC Spruce. Pass the bundle of wires thru the firesleeve / flange and pack the interior of the fire sleeve with commonly available firestopping caulk (http://www.touch-n-seal.com/firestop.htm). A hose clamp over the flange/firesleeve and another around the mouth of the firesleeve alone should give you some protection. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160726#160726 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: XL - Longeron rivet size From: "Tim Juhl" Maybe I missed it on the drawings but I can't find info on the size rivets to use to attach the rear fuselage side skins to the lower longeron. Am I correct to assume that the rivets used on the side mimic those used to attach the bottom skin to the longerons? That would mean A4's up to the splice and then A5's therafter. Thanks! Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160730#160730 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:38 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuilding files Thanks, Carlos. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rebuilding files Klaus' web site: http://www.utdallas.edu/~klaus/Airplane/airplane.html Cheers Carlos On 27/01/2008, Bill Naumuk wrote: All- Had a runaway DVD drive that wrote 0s to my hard drive on Christmas day. Lost some of my "Keeper" files (Lister ideas that I was going to incorporate in my project when the time came). I'm currently installing major systems and would appreciate the following information- Thomas Jefferson Small- pictures of your ELT installation. Klaus (I can't remember your last name, but you're a retired computer professor)- link to your site re: C-section to fuse fillets. Any XL builder- a list of the brake fitting hardware and supplied tubing length, so I have an idea of what to order from ACS. Incidentally, WW must have made a New Year's resolution to answer his e-mail. Many thanks to WW for easing the uncertainty. In the long run, better communication will be of great benefit. Realtime builder reports of the parts they need at their stage of building will give him a better grip on inventory prioritization. Thanks, people. do not archive Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:00 PM PST US From: "Brad Cohen" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: XL - Longeron rivet size Tim, My plans dated 12/04 show 6B2-3 ext longerons A5, p40 6B2-1 rear longerons A4 p40 6B2-2 Longeron doubler 10 rivets, A5 (top drawing, middle of the page Brad Cohen XL/TD, slow-build kit >From: "Tim Juhl" >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: XL - Longeron rivet size >Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:50:39 -0800 > > >Maybe I missed it on the drawings but I can't find info on the size rivets >to use to attach the rear fuselage side skins to the lower longeron. Am I >correct to assume that the rivets used on the side mimic those used to >attach the bottom skin to the longerons? That would mean A4's up to the >splice and then A5's therafter. > >Thanks! > >Tim > >-------- >______________ >CFII >Champ L16A flying >Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A >Working on fuselage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160730#160730 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "cookwithgas" Bill - no hangups. My FAA inspector knew I was not going to fly off my 40 hours. I've had a couple of guys step forward and they are working on it one weekend at a time. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160752#160752 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rotary engines for all Zenith Aircraft From: "Ron Lendon" Do you have any links of flying examples? Satisfied customers etc... -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160753#160753 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:26 PM PST US From: Jeyoung65@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Electrical wires from engine Thanks to all who responded to my question. Sounds like some real good suggestions. No sure how I will go but will use some kind of sealant. Again THANKS Jerry of Ga. In a message dated 1/27/2008 4:03:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bryanmmartin@comcast.net writes: I used a 12 pin Molex connector. I mounted the female side in the firewall as a bulkhead connector. The male part plugs into this from the cabin side of the firewall. On the engine side of the firewall, I riveted a steel shell around the Molex connector and filled it up with high temp RTV to make a fire resistant seal. I got the connectors from Radio Shack, one of the few connectors they sell that I found acceptable for use in my airplane. For the main battery cable, I bought a pass though connector from Jeg's: _http://tinyurl.com/2qclou_ (http://tinyurl.com/2qclou) On Jan 27, 2008, at 11:03 AM, _Jeyoung65@aol.com_ (mailto:Jeyoung65@aol.com) wrote: How are you routing the electrical wire from the engine to the cabin through the firewall? Do you use a connector are just add high temp sealant around the wires. What about using a 90 degree elbow and sealant? Jerry of Ga. -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "jhines" Scott, Thanks for doing your part to motivate us. I just cant seem to get out of the funk I am in. I started on my rib forming blocks before Christmas and Im still not done. Things keep getting in the way. First of all i work too much. I had a tree limb go right through my roof a few weeks ago. Then my old dog died last week. Im in this funk and I just cant get motivated. I actually got out and did a little work today, but not much. If anyone out there ever checks my website, they may have given up on me. Well, I guess I need to just snap out of it and get to work. Sorry for bringing everyone down. John Hines www.johnsplane.com -------- John Hines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160754#160754 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:55 PM PST US From: "John M. Goodings" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cabib airfoil (on the 701) At the risk of telling people something they already know, I heard Chris Heintz say why he had designed the 701 airfoil with the gap over the cabin. In a high wing aircraft like a Cessna, he objected to the fact that, for example, in turning left, the left wing goes down, and the pilot cannot see the sky into which he is turning; Chris regards that as dangerous. He told an amusing story at our RAA Canada meeting. When he first came to Canada, he was being checked out in a Cessna in preparation for his Canadian pilot's licence flight test. In order to see where he was going when turning, he skidded the aircraft around the corners using rudder with absolutely minimal bank angle. The instructor told him that he was a very proficient pilot, but that he would not pass his Canadian flight test! John Goodings (a 601, not a 701, pilot!) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:05 PM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Zenith-List: test flight do not archive I know there are circumstances that prevent some builders from doing the first flight, but the best advice received from ZAC came from Roger who told me to never allow anyone else to make the first flight. Boy was he correct. I'll not make crass comparisons with other "firsts," but you will never forget this one experience - you, and you alone, have created magic. jeff > Bill - no hangups. My FAA inspector knew I was not going to fly off my 40 > hours. I've had a couple of guys step forward and they are working on it > one weekend at a time. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:25 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Electrical wires from engine Hi Tim The problem with the aluminum flange is that it melts at the temperature of a hydrocarbon fire. When I was a kid working in the hay fields in the Little Laramie Valley, a diesel fuel tank truck caught fire at one of the oil wells in the neighborhood. The aluminum from the tank was left as frozen puddles on the ground. It must have made a big impression on me since I remember it (vividly) 50 years later. An aluminum flange would be partially protected by the fire sleeve. It might or might not melt. I don't have any personal experience with an engine fire in an airplane, thank God. But I think I'll buy a couple of the EPM penetrators for my 601 just for my own comfort. And, there is still the question of what to do about the steering rod pass thorough. Each builder must decide how to handle these items. Obviously, a very knowledgeable aeronautical engineer, Chris Heintz, was not very worried about the steering rod holes in the fire wall. I don't think there is a "right" answer for everyone. Each builder must decide what is their right answer. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. Terry At 04:39 PM 1/27/2008 -0800, you wrote: >Feel free to flame the following suggestion but after looking at the kit >from epm-avcorp I got an idea. How about penetrating the firewall with a >1 inch diameter round aluminum flange riveted in place with the flange in >the cabin ($6.70 - PN 10350-4) then slipping a section of 1 inch ID >firesleeve over it ($10.90 / foot - PN AE102-16). Part numbers are from >AC Spruce. > >Pass the bundle of wires thru the firesleeve / flange and pack the >interior of the fire sleeve with commonly available firestopping caulk >(http://www.touch-n-seal.com/firestop.htm). A hose clamp over the >flange/firesleeve and another around the mouth of the firesleeve alone >should give you some protection. > >Tim Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail is finished; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:38 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: fuel system part F964-6 From: "chris Sinfield" OK Gang I have 2 small brass "Tee" fuel bits left over PN F964-6. I just hate it when you finish something and have left over bits. or the life of me I can't see on the plans where they go but I do know then need to be somewhere .. Any Ideas? Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160769#160769 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "stepinwolf" jhines wrote: > Scott, > > I had a tree limb go right through my roof a few weeks ago. Then my old dog died last week. Im in this funk and I just cant get motivated. > > Sorry for bringing everyone down. > > John Hines > www.johnsplane.com John, So sorry to hear about your loss. Loosing part of ones a family is never a fun thing to have happen to us, especially a dog that we have loved. You will heal, but it hurts, and it takes a very long time. I wish you well Bob the 701 scratch -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160774#160774 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Motivation for the Weary From: "jhines" Well, I think I just cured funk. I went back a read my post from earlier. WHAT A WHINER! It's like having a friend record you while you are complaining and then playing it back for you. What a wuss! I'm cured! John -------- John Hines Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160781#160781 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:24 PM PST US From: Aerolitellc@aol.com Subject: Zenith-List: Fwd: CorvAircraft>140 crankshaft ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:25 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: fuel system part F964-6 The fuel system kit is probably the same for whatever engine is used. Some engines have two carburetors and will need a Tee to split up the flow, some engines have a single carb. Some engines have a mechanical pump and some don't. The early kits came with a separate valve for each tank and a Tee feeding into the gascolator. Some fuel system setups will need more fittings than others. > > > > OK Gang > I have 2 small brass "Tee" fuel bits left over PN F964-6. > > I just hate it when you finish something and have left over bits. or > the life of me I can't see on the plans where they go but I do know > then need to be somewhere .. > Any Ideas? > Chris > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.