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1. 02:06 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: Flying a 701 without doors (John Bolding)
3. 03:24 AM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (David Downey)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
6. 05:13 AM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (Al Hays)
7. 05:17 AM - Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? (ashontz)
8. 05:28 AM - Workshop Tip - air compressor (ashontz)
9. 05:36 AM - Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor (GLJSOJ1)
10. 05:39 AM - DOORS!!!, Don't need no stinkin doors!! (Brett Hanley)
11. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor (Rob St Denis)
12. 06:19 AM - Phase I Test Flight Testing (cookwithgas)
13. 06:24 AM - ethanol in autofuel (Joe Spencer)
14. 06:25 AM - Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
15. 06:56 AM - Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing (Bryan Martin)
16. 07:05 AM - Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor (ashontz)
17. 07:14 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
18. 07:48 AM - Landing Gear (LHusky@aol.com)
19. 07:51 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (dfmoeller)
20. 07:58 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
21. 08:40 AM - Re: Test flight (LarryMcFarland)
22. 09:06 AM - Re: ethanol in autofuel (Gig Giacona)
23. 09:06 AM - Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom (Tommy Walker)
24. 09:13 AM - Re: test flight (Gig Giacona)
25. 09:15 AM - Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom (ken smith)
26. 09:28 AM - Re: ethanol in autofuel (Bryan Martin)
27. 09:49 AM - Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom (Randy)
28. 09:51 AM - A small setback (Jim McBurney)
29. 09:56 AM - Re: ethanol in autogas (Al Hays)
30. 10:06 AM - Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing (LarryMcFarland)
31. 10:14 AM - Re: A small setback (billmileski)
32. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Fit (William Dominguez)
33. 10:29 AM - Re: A small setback ()
34. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Fit (John Bolding)
35. 10:44 AM - Re: A small setback ()
36. 10:49 AM - Re: ethanol in autofuel ()
37. 10:58 AM - Re: A small setback (dgardea(at)gmail.com)
38. 11:00 AM - Re: A small setback (PatrickW)
39. 11:14 AM - Re: Test flight (THOMAS SMALL)
40. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Fit (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
41. 01:03 PM - Re: ethanol in autogas (LarryMcFarland)
42. 01:15 PM - Request for Zenith Builders at SunNFun 08 ()
43. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: test flight (Bryan Martin)
44. 01:38 PM - Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing (cookwithgas)
45. 02:31 PM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (George Swinford)
46. 03:38 PM - Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? (kmccune)
47. 03:38 PM - Re: Aileron Fit (Jugle)
48. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Fit (Aaron Gustafson)
49. 04:00 PM - Re: A small setback (kmccune)
50. 04:28 PM - Re: Test flight (Bill Naumuk)
51. 05:33 PM - Address (Bill Naumuk)
52. 05:41 PM - Re: ethanol in autofuel (Gary Ray)
53. 06:23 PM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (Dave G.)
54. 06:27 PM - Re: Address (Edward Moody II)
55. 06:38 PM - Re: Address (ken smith)
56. 06:52 PM - Re: Lift sling for the CH-701 (Carl)
57. 06:59 PM - Painting the cabin (Brad Cohen)
58. 07:13 PM - Re: Address (Art Olechowski)
59. 07:21 PM - Re: Address (Bill Steer)
60. 07:24 PM - By The Way (Brad Cohen)
61. 07:28 PM - Re: Aileron Fit (Ron Lendon)
62. 07:29 PM - Re: Address (wade jones)
63. 07:35 PM - Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing (leinad)
64. 07:38 PM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (George Swinford)
65. 08:15 PM - Re: A small setback (NYTerminat@aol.com)
66. 08:21 PM - Fw: WW Engine Mount (Richard Vetterli)
67. 08:47 PM - Re: test flight (aprazer)
68. 08:58 PM - Flying 601 in close proximity to Boise Idaho (aprazer)
69. 09:09 PM - Broken 601 canopy (aprazer)
70. 09:36 PM - Re: Broken 601 canopy (JohnDRead@aol.com)
71. 10:08 PM - Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? (jhines)
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That's the way you build it for the hinged version. I assume that's what he
is doing. If he wasn't he can now LOL
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Flying a 701 without doors |
I've flown Brett Hanley's 701 about 20 hrs now with no doors and it's a
hoot. Brett's also has round struts so performance should improve some when
he puts fairings on them as well as the doors (when he builds them). Nice
when it's warm, less so when it's cold. No handling problems but I have no
reference WITH doors so take that with the usual grain of salt that you
should from any 'net posting
LO&SLO John
> <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
>
> Has anyone flown their 701 without doors? Does wind from a prop make
> flying
> without doors uncomfortable? Are there concerns about stability with the
> doors off?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
I do not recall that thread but there is a german company (I think) that makes
a automatically variable pitch prop with the change mechanism built into vanes
in the spinner/hub...?
Recently someone mentioned a propeller manufacture who installed "cooling
fins" on their spinners. Does anyone have information on this? Jim
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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Yup, I'm making the hinged ailerons.
[quote="Afterfxllc(at)aol.com"]That's the way you build it for the hinged version.
I assume that's what he is doing. If he wasn't he can now LOL
Jeff
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Ron Lendon wrote:
> Add a shim between the rib flange and the skin, about .040" should do it.
Thanks Ron, I may do that. I thought about remaking the rib form and ribs, but
this sounds easier. Just wanted to see if anyone else encountered this alignment.
May again be due to my router taking off just a little more of the form edge
than it should do to the fact that to rout the edge the ball bearing needs
to ride the edge of the form and when the form has an 80 degree edge instead of
a 90 degree edge it'll take a little extra off, like about an extra mm. I tried
to compensate for this by putting a shrink tube spacer on the router bearing
to 'build it up' a bit, but it's still taking off a little extra. Just wanted
to see if it was ok as is or if I should do something about it.
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
Dave,
That sounds familiar but I haven't found it yet. However, yesterday
on the CorvAircraft list WW had a post regarding the Corvair powered
701 with 601 nosebowl on which Gus put a 3" smaller diameter spinner
and additional inlets to feed more cooling air. Makes more sense to
me than fins on the spinner unless the fins purpose has nothing to do
with cooling.
Al Hays
601XL kit-starting fuselage/Corvair
STOL701 kit set aside probable Corvair
On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:21 AM, David Downey wrote:
> I do not recall that thread but there is a german company (I think)
> that makes a automatically variable pitch prop with the change
> mechanism built into vanes in the spinner/hub...?
>
> James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message
> posted by: James Sagerser
>
> Recently someone mentioned a propeller manufacture who installed
> "cooling
> fins" on their spinners. Does anyone have information on this? Jim
>
>
> Dave Downey
> Harleysville (SE) PA
> 100 HP Corvair
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? |
Ron Lendon wrote:
> The reliefs were made using a 3/4" 24 grit barrel sander in a die grinder, took
about an two hours to mark and grind em in.
>
> YMMV
I take it you mean two hours to do all of them on all the forms, right?
I did the same thing, I used a little barrel sander in my dremel tool. Took like
5 minutes to do one of the wing rib forms. You don't even need a template, just
hold it steady.
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| Subject: | Workshop Tip - air compressor |
Just figured I'd throw this out there, but I've been loving it ever since I spent
about 3 hours rigging it up. Well worht the time.
I moved my air compressor out of the garage and into my shed right behind the garage
and built an insulated box in the shed for the air compressor, ran a 2 inch
PVC pipe from the shed back to the garage and ran an outdoor rated power line
(not an extension cord) to the shed for the air compressor and routed the
air line back through the PVC pipe into the garage. THe power line is on a switch
in the garage and I leave the air compressor plugged in and ON in the shed
and turn it off and on with the switch in the garage. In the garage I hooked
the air line to the oiler/water seperator/regulator I already had and then that
gets plugged into a 30' retractable air line I found at Pep Boys for $24. Now
everything is nice and quite and a lot more convenient to use my air tools.
If you don't have a shed behind your garage you can easily build a small insulated
box outdoors. They way I have it rigged, with the compressor on, you stand
30 feet from the shed and you can hardly tell it's on. Same deal inside the garage.
Stand right next to the shed right where the compressor is and it still
only sounds about as loud as say someone mowing their lawn 5 houses down the
street.
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor |
Be sure to drain the water out of the compressor tank. It's amazing how much it
accumulates.
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| Subject: | DOORS!!!, Don't need no stinkin doors!! |
Never have flown a 701 with doors. Just excess weight. Just like the slats.
But they could be handy if you don't trust the guys around your airport!! If
ya live north of Baytown you might need a snowmobile suite about now they tell
me.
Brett
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor |
Wouldn't work too well up here, it'd freeze up good!
On 1/30/08, GLJSOJ1 <gljno10@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Be sure to drain the water out of the compressor tank. It's amazing how
> much it accumulates.
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| Subject: | Phase I Test Flight Testing |
Hi guys:
For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do
after your 25 or 40 hours?
1. Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?
2. Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?
3. Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?
4. Sell your airplane and start building another?
My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm
not sure why. He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering
if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.
Thanks in advance,
Scott Laughlin
Living in the Great Frozen North
601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying
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| Subject: | ethanol in autofuel |
All,
SI-912-016
Craig
Thanks for the SI link. Looking at the table in Section 5 there are
some rather ominous warnings about the possible effects of alcohol,
having to do with alcohol competing directly with the oil, and also
problems with forming condensation on bearings after shutdown, leading
shortly to failure. Sounds nasty. Some of us may eventually not have any
choice but to run 10% ethanol due to lack of availibility of anything
else....maybe Rotax is being ultra conservative with this(wishful
thinking?)
Joe
engines.com/pdf/dokus/d03830.pdf
Page 8
"Fuel with more than 5% alcohol added must not be used."
Best regards,
Craig Moore A&P
Mancelona, MI
701 builder wannabe
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing |
You make a log entry and have fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing |
I just logged the completion of the phase I testing in the aircraft
logbook using the prescribed language then signed and dated it with my
airman certificate number. No notary and no FAA notification.
cookwithgas wrote:
>
> Hi guys:
>
> For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do
after your 25 or 40 hours?
>
> 1. Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?
> 2. Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?
> 3. Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?
> 4. Sell your airplane and start building another?
>
> My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm
not sure why. He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering
if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Workshop Tip - air compressor |
Yeah, I need to do that within the next day or so.
Originally I figured I'd mount the thing up in the attic of my garage and add a
nipple stem to the drain that came down through the ceiling.
Still, I love the setup. Before I only used it when I really needed to and avoided
the inconvenience of dragging it out and listening to all that noise.
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GLJSOJ1 wrote:
> Be sure to drain the water out of the compressor tank. It's amazing how much
it accumulates.
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Now that I think about it, I'm probably just going to remake the ribs. Didn't take
that long. Probably be easier than dealing with shims and whatnot. Plus, no
point in adding weight when I can just back up, spend an hour and redo them
the right way from the word go.
How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on them. The
way I'm doing it is layout the measurements, then cut on the bandsaw with the
10 degree springback angle, then route. But as I've explained before, routing
with a bit that has a bearing on it actually cuts a little more than it should
making the form ever so slightly undersized. Problem is, the router in the router
table isn't any help either because the pointed edge changes dimension as
you rout. If the angle was 90 degrees it'd be ok either way, router freehand
or in the router table. Is anyone here cutting the form out with 90 degree sides,
routing, AND THEN putting the springback angle in? That seems like the way
to do it for perfect dimension sake, but then you run the risk of taking too
much off the form in any given spot.
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Well, I have put this post out before and believed that I had some parts
lined up. After the owner found the complications trying to convert from a
tricycle gear to TD, the parts were no longer available. If anyone out there
has
went with Grove instead of Zeniths spring gear, or if anyone has any landing
gear parts or brake parts for XL they want to sell, let me know. I need
everything, so if it is just laying around collecting dust, let me know.
Larry Husky
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Andy,
Having been there; done that, I can vouch that the sequence you describe is backwards.
I found this out by experience! The correct sequence is this:
1. Cut your forming blocks to rough size first.
2. Sand to the desired dimension second.
3. Put the radius on the block with a router as you describe third.
4. Then, mark the block 10 mm down from the top on the sides and sand the springback
angle into the block up to the mark you just made as the final step.
The above sequence ensures that the router roller is resting on the dimension that
is actually desired. The reverse sequence puts the roller on a somewhat smaller
dimension, resulting in a slight smaller finished part than desired. I
learned this by viewing the Homebuilt Help video after I made the first set of
aileron and flap forming blocks. I wish I'd viewed it before.
Doug
ashontz wrote:
>
> How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on them. The
way I'm doing it is layout the measurements, then cut on the bandsaw with the
10 degree springback angle, then route. But as I've explained before, routing
with a bit that has a bearing on it actually cuts a little more than it should
making the form ever so slightly undersized. Problem is, the router in the
router table isn't any help either because the pointed edge changes dimension
as you rout. If the angle was 90 degrees it'd be ok either way, router freehand
or in the router table. Is anyone here cutting the form out with 90 degree
sides, routing, AND THEN putting the springback angle in? That seems like the
way to do it for perfect dimension sake, but then you run the risk of taking too
much off the form in any given spot.
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I'm going to try making a spacer collar for router bit bearing to make up the difference
and push the router bit back to where it's supposed to be. The procedure
you described is overly time consuming and prone to error in my opinion,
albeit it does take into account 'the problem'. If anyone is interested I can
make them one of these router bearing spacer collars for $10.
Seems like sanding after the fact, you run the risk of possibly taking off too
much plus it's just overly tedious and time consuming for something that a power
tool setup should do for you.
dfmoeller wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Having been there; done that, I can vouch that the sequence you describe is backwards.
I found this out by experience! The correct sequence is this:
>
> 1. Cut your forming blocks to rough size first.
> 2. Sand to the desired dimension second.
> 3. Put the radius on the block with a router as you describe third.
> 4. Then, mark the block 10 mm down from the top on the sides and sand the springback
angle into the block up to the mark you just made as the final step.
>
> The above sequence ensures that the router roller is resting on the dimension
that is actually desired. The reverse sequence puts the roller on a somewhat
smaller dimension, resulting in a slight smaller finished part than desired.
I learned this by viewing the Homebuilt Help video after I made the first set
of aileron and flap forming blocks. I wish I'd viewed it before.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ashontz wrote:
> >
> > How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on them.
The way I'm doing it is layout the measurements, then cut on the bandsaw with
the 10 degree springback angle, then route. But as I've explained before, routing
with a bit that has a bearing on it actually cuts a little more than it should
making the form ever so slightly undersized. Problem is, the router in the
router table isn't any help either because the pointed edge changes dimension
as you rout. If the angle was 90 degrees it'd be ok either way, router freehand
or in the router table. Is anyone here cutting the form out with 90 degree
sides, routing, AND THEN putting the springback angle in? That seems like the
way to do it for perfect dimension sake, but then you run the risk of taking
too much off the form in any given spot.
>
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hi Bill,
Nothing wrong with having someone that's flown a Piper PA28 or equal do
your first flight if necessary. I'd recommend you rent a Piper and get a
CFI to get you comfortable with it and then transition to your 601. The
flight characteristics are similar, but the 601 is a bit lighter and
more responsive, and just easier to fly. Putting someone in before
you isn't going to make it any easier for you to fly it. Perhaps
there's someone in PA that has a HDS that would be willing to get you
transitioned.
Larry McFarland
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> As I said, I would do all that was LEGAL to ensure my confidence.
> I'm not looking for ways to buck the system.
> Is there anything illegal with letting another qualified person
> make one or more flights, then passing on his findings before the
> owner gets in the cockpit? Start the 40 hrs from that point? I'm
> interested in the responses from flying posters, but don't want to
> drag this thread on.
> Over and out.
> Bill
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autofuel |
One other thing to keep in mind. That 5% number Rotax quotes is for the engine.
NOT the entire fuel system. So even if you have a Rotax engine and you know you
have 5% Ethanol fuel you still need to make sure everything else in the fuel
system can deal with it.
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom |
Hi Mark,
I have the XCOM760 radio too. If you will contact me off list I will tell
you about the issues I have with the radio.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701
25.5 hrs
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No Bill there's nothing wrong with that. In fact it is a great idea. There is no
reason though not to count the time the first pilot flies in the 40 hours.
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
> All-
> As I said, I would do all that was LEGAL to ensure my confidence. I'm not
looking for ways to buck the system.
> Is there anything illegal with letting another qualified person make one
or more flights, then passing on his findings before the owner gets in the
cockpit? Start the 40 hrs from that point? I'm interested in the responses from
flying posters, but don't want to drag this thread on.
> Over and out.
> Bill
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
>
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601XL Under Construction
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| Subject: | Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom |
I have am XCOM radio in my flying 601XL and all of the
features work just fine. The intercom function
performs well. I have the MGL Enigma EFIS coupled to
the XCOM, and my passengers report that the voice
messages from Enigma are loud and clear.
Ken
--- Mark Colbeck <mark@masterpieceliving.ca> wrote:
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> place for me) and was wondering about anyone else's
> experience with it. Should i look at adding the
> sigtronics intercom? Is it necessary? In the write
> ups and demo dvd it looks like it will work well.
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autofuel |
E85 has nearly a 30% lower energy density than gasoline and even with
the 50 cents a gallon subsidy being paid to alcohol producers, the price
of E85 is only slightly lower than regular auto gasoline. So you'll get
30% less range out of your airplane while paying nearly the same price
as for auto gas. In other words, your fuel bill for your airplane will
be significantly higher.
Joe Spencer wrote:
> All,
>
> SI-912-016
>
> Craig
> Thanks for the SI link. Looking at the table in Section 5 there are
> some rather ominous warnings about the possible effects of alcohol,
> having to do with alcohol competing directly with the oil, and also
> problems with forming condensation on bearings after shutdown, leading
> shortly to failure. Sounds nasty. Some of us may eventually not have any
> choice but to run 10% ethanol due to lack of availibility of anything
> else....maybe Rotax is being ultra conservative with this(wishful thinking?)
>
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Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: XCOM radio and seperate intercom |
Mark & Steve,
I have an XCOM in my 601xl and the intercom works great.
Randy
601xl 100hrs.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: XCOM radio and seperate intercom
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> I have an XCOM radio with the built in intercom (2 place for me) and was
> wondering about anyone else's experience with it. Should i look at adding
> the sigtronics intercom? Is it necessary? In the write ups and demo dvd it
> looks like it will work well. Any thoughts.
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Greetings, all,
I was dealt a small setback to my CH-801 project Monday morning. See
attached link for the newspaper writup on it.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/013008/met_185460.shtml
I think the reporter did me a big favor writing it as she did. They didn't
post the photo of the plane, but it was on page 1, above the fold! Email me
if you want to see it.
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autogas |
Larry,
I have to agree that ethanol is not the best answer (at least it's
better than methanol) and I think having government subsidies and
congressional mandates for its continued production from corn is
reprehensible. Nevertheless, I intend to make my engine and fuel
system capable of ingesting it when unavoidable. The February issue
of Popular Mechanics has an excellent Op-Ed on page 54 titled "The
Ethanol Fallacy". If a copy isn't handy, it is on the web at:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4237539.html
Al Hays
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On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:18 AM, LarryMcFarland wrote:
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Dennis,
> In addition to these problems, which are true enough, it takes 3
> gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol and the water tables
> are going down where these processing
> plants are located. The pollution from ethanol is a more serious
> problem than gasoline and the only reason we're doing this is, as
> you say, government support.
> I won't buy an E85 vehicle or use that product and we've quit
> buying beef, where possible, as a matter of principle.
> Larry McFarland
> do not archive
>
> Dennis Shoup wrote:
>> I recall reading a year ago that Rotax prohibits the use of
>> ethanol bearing fuel. Ethanol goes back to the 80's it when was
>> called gasohol and car many car manufacturers warned against using
>> it because of deterioration of engine seals and rubber parts.
>> Ethanol results in poorer fuel consumption according to
>> several automotive publications tests. For us that means reduced
>> range and endurance since larger fuel tanks and greater weight
>> aren't a very good choice for us. Those same reports also mention
>> the cost of ethanol production being higher than gasoline. It is
>> only profitable because of Federal subsidies. The car
>> manufacturers also receive Federal subsidies for producing
>> alternate fuel vehicles and ethanol is the only immediately
>> available alternate. Farmers enjoy higher corn prices as well.
>> The consumer pays for all of the subsidies as well as higher
>> prices for corn and beef which is fed with more expensive corn.
>> The government is taking care of us again.
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2008 9:44 AM, Joe Spencer <jpspencer@cableone.net
>> <mailto:jpspencer@cableone.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Anybody know how the 912s likes autofuel with ethanol in it? For
>> all the info that Rotax sends out on their engines I don't
>> remember seeing anything on this subject from them. Anyody got a
>> link or info?
>> Thx Joe
>> Sad but informative. Those of us using auto fuel in our
>> airplane
>> motors
>> now have to consider many additional problems that alcohol
>> causes and
>> it's not even good for cars! This was published today in the
>> Atlanta
>> Journal-Constitution and written by the CEO of a petroleum
>> distributor
>> in Atlanta. Who is pushing ethanol? It's apparently not petroleum
>> companies.
>> Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing |
Hi Scott,
In your aircraft log, place an entry that says:
I certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and
the
aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and
maneuvers to be
executed, has no hazardous characteristics or design features, and is
safe for operation.
This aircraft operating data has been demonstrated during the flight
testing: Speeds Vso =__
Vx = __, Vy = __, and the weight = ____, and CG location = __ in. at
which they were
obtained.
Signed ___________________ Date ______
That's just about it. Then do some serious destination flight planning.
Congratulations Scott,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
cookwithgas wrote:
>
> Hi guys:
>
> For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do
after your 25 or 40 hours?
>
> 1. Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?
> 2. Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?
> 3. Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?
> 4. Sell your airplane and start building another?
>
> My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm
not sure why. He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering
if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Living in the Great Frozen North
> 601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying
> www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
Jim,
So sorry.
Once in awhile we are painfully reminded of the impact that anger, hate, and ignorance
can have, even when (hopefully) restricted to a small fraction of us.
Don't be discouraged (and it sounds like you won't be -- congrats) and best of
luck. I have a feeling my sentiments are shared by a whole lot of people that
will hear of your story.
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
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I do. Here is the order that I'm following for making my blocks:
- Cut the block slightly oversize to the cutting line with a jigsaw.
- Sand down to cutting line with a bench sander with the bed at 90 degrees.
- Round out the edge for proper bending radius using a moto-tool and with a 1/8
routing bit. There is no reduction in size.
- Create the 11 degrees spring back with the bench sander with the bed positioned
at 11 degrees. Here I have to be careful because there is the possibility to
over-sand but it is not difficult get it right.
- Create the relief for the crimps using a regular router with a 45 degree trimming
bit.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601 XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
Now that I think about it, I'm probably just going to remake the ribs. Didn't take
that long. Probably be easier than dealing with shims and whatnot. Plus, no
point in adding weight when I can just back up, spend an hour and redo them
the right way from the word go.
How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on them. The
way I'm doing it is layout the measurements, then cut on the bandsaw with the
10 degree springback angle, then route. But as I've explained before, routing
with a bit that has a bearing on it actually cuts a little more than it should
making the form ever so slightly undersized. Problem is, the router in the router
table isn't any help either because the pointed edge changes dimension as
you rout. If the angle was 90 degrees it'd be ok either way, router freehand
or in the router table. Is anyone here cutting the form out with 90 degree sides,
routing, AND THEN putting the springback angle in? That seems like the way
to do it for perfect dimension sake, but then you run the risk of taking too
much off the form in any given spot.
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
You have my support and my sympathy, Jim. Forge on.
Dred
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---- Jim McBurney <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings, all,
>
> I was dealt a small setback to my CH-801 project Monday morning. See
> attached link for the newspaper writup on it.
> http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/013008/met_185460.shtml
> I think the reporter did me a big favor writing it as she did. They didn't
> post the photo of the plane, but it was on page 1, above the fold! Email me
> if you want to see it.
>
> Jim
> CH-801
> DeltaHawk diesel
> Augusta GA
> 90% done, 90% left
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I cut out the forms (I use oak)while right and left are bolted together on
the bandsaw, close to the line, next is the disc sander with the table at O
degrees, sand to the line, separate the forms, blacken the edges with
spray paint or markalot, set the disc sander table to 10 degrees or your
favorite # and sand carefully until you have a uniform band of black
remaining on the edge, THEN hand sand the edge that forms the radius ,
leaving 1/8"-3/16" of black band all around the form. Built a few dozen
form blocks using this method, try some scrap first. MANY other ways to do
it as well. John
Is anyone here cutting the form out with 90 degree sides, routing, AND THEN
putting the springback angle in? That seems like the way to do it for
perfect dimension sake, but then you run the risk of taking too much off the
form in any given spot.
>
> --------
> Andy Shontz
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
You have my support and my sympathy, Jim. Forge on.
Dred
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---- Jim McBurney <jmcburney@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings, all,
>
> I was dealt a small setback to my CH-801 project Monday morning. See
> attached link for the newspaper writup on it.
> http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/013008/met_185460.shtml
> I think the reporter did me a big favor writing it as she did. They didn't
> post the photo of the plane, but it was on page 1, above the fold! Email me
> if you want to see it.
>
> Jim
> CH-801
> DeltaHawk diesel
> Augusta GA
> 90% done, 90% left
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autofuel |
I have patiently read the posts on this thread and remained silent but now feel
compelled to vioce my opinion (since everyone else has).
The bottom line is that ethanol is not a good choice for aviation fuel / fuel additive
for many reasons that have been listed, discussed and even refuted by
some. It has been touted as an answer to fossil fuel independence. Wrong. We
are nowhere near ready to produce enough to really matter. But hey, racecars love
the stuff, right? Yeah if you accept the short engine life of racecars and
the "who cares" issue about how much fuel they need to carry. But there were
those Brazillian cropduster engines that lasted so long and looked so good at
overhaul. Really? Anecdotal at best. Fictional at worst. Even if that's true,
would those engines not have produced more power at a lower gross weight on 95
or 100 octane gasoline? Some have praised ethanol as being red white and blue...
as American as Chevy and apple pie. Okay, granted we can make it here in the
USA. We can also drill for more oil and build more refineries right here in
the good old USA too. Why is that not American? It might even be a better short
term idea. The long term idea is more likely to be biodiesel. That can be made
from American corn in American plants too and it's a far superior fuel to
ethanol. The more trucks and cars that burn biodiesel, the more 95 - 100 octane
we have left over for airplanes until the electric, jet, and/or diesel small
aircraft engines come of age.
How about this; let's strive to utilize the ethanol and biodiesel in vehicles other
than airplanes to ease the demand for the gasoline we should be using as
aviation fuel?
Dred
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
Hello Jim,
I was saddened by the attack, but was encouraged by your resolve as I read the
article you shared. I had the pleasure of meeting you a couple years back at Zenith
for a rudder workshop and was intrigued then both by your role in building
planes for missionaries and also your use of the DeltaHawk diesel. I look forward
to hearing more about both on the list as you get closer to completion.
Regards,
Dave Gardea
--------
Dave Gardea
601XL - Corvair
wings done - working on corvair while waiting for fuselage kit
http://home.comcast.net/~davegardea/
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
I'm just shaking my head on this one. Just when you think you've seen it all...
A pink swastika? And a peace sign? WTF? :(
Well, if nothing else I'd bet this gives you even more determination. And you'll
have the only Zenith around with actual bullet holes.
- Pat
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> Perhaps
> there's someone in PA that has a HDS that would be willing to get you
> transitioned.
All Bill (and Lynn too) have to do is get the 125 or so miles to the
southeast and show up in Carlisle, PA.
The subs and pizza are on them, the HDS on me.
CAVU Jeff Small in southcentral PA where winds are 30 gusting to 40+
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Andy if you have a router table it can be done using the proper bits and
setting your table at the proper angles and if your table doesn't tilt you can
make a angled template to run the form on. I have to agree with Doug and the
steps he outlined. Or you could just buy a mill.
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autogas |
Al,
The article is accurate, but leaves out the fact that water used in
production is wasted and not getting back into the soil. The binder that
allows alcohol to blend with gasoline
and other mixes is the culprit which eats aluminum, resins and other
materials like cork and synthetic rubber. I'm not concerned in the long
run because ethanol will crumble of its own weight when the government
drops its subsidy. Batteries have made stunning progress the last 6
months which will have GM rethinking the expensive battery they've
contracted for the Volt. Three companies have revolutionized battery
technology to the point that 40 miles will be unacceptable and 200 will
be the the new
milestone for the next run of electric cars. Thermoelectric generators
will replace the alternator and Butanol will eventually replace ethanol
as a better product that's cheaper
to produce, is stable, is interchangeable and has equal performance
properties to gasoline. Good source for latest developments is
the Technology Review. see link,
http://www.technologyreview.com/index.aspx
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com (Subaru and 87 octane /
10% mandated ethanol)
Al Hays wrote:
> <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>
> Larry,
> I have to agree that ethanol is not the best answer (at least it's
> better than methanol) and I think having government subsidies and
> congressional mandates for its continued production from corn is
> reprehensible. Nevertheless, I intend to make my engine and fuel
> system capable of ingesting it when unavoidable. The February issue
> of Popular Mechanics has an excellent Op-Ed on page 54 titled "The
> Ethanol Fallacy". If a copy isn't handy, it is on the web at:
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4237539.html
> Al Hays
> Do not archive
> On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:18 AM, LarryMcFarland wrote:
>
>> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>> Dennis,
>> In addition to these problems, which are true enough, it takes 3
>> gallons of water to make one gallon of ethanol and the water tables
>> are going down where these processing
>> plants are located. The pollution from ethanol is a more serious
>> problem than gasoline and the only reason we're doing this is, as you
>> say, government support.
>> I won't buy an E85 vehicle or use that product and we've quit buying
>> beef, where possible, as a matter of principle.
>> Larry McFarland
>> do not archive
>>
>> Dennis Shoup wrote:
>>> I recall reading a year ago that Rotax prohibits the use of
>>> ethanol bearing fuel. Ethanol goes back to the 80's it when was
>>> called gasohol and car many car manufacturers warned against using
>>> it because of deterioration of engine seals and rubber parts.
>>> Ethanol results in poorer fuel consumption according to several
>>> automotive publications tests. For us that means reduced range and
>>> endurance since larger fuel tanks and greater weight aren't a very
>>> good choice for us. Those same reports also mention the cost of
>>> ethanol production being higher than gasoline. It is only
>>> profitable because of Federal subsidies. The car manufacturers also
>>> receive Federal subsidies for producing alternate fuel vehicles and
>>> ethanol is the only immediately available alternate. Farmers enjoy
>>> higher corn prices as well. The consumer pays for all of the
>>> subsidies as well as higher prices for corn and beef which is fed
>>> with more expensive corn.
>>> The government is taking care of us again.
>>> Dennis
>
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| Subject: | Request for Zenith Builders at SunNFun 08 |
Fellow Zenith Builder's,
This request is somewhat beyond the normal requests that we see here. I hope
you will bear with me.
For those Zenith builders going to SunNFun 2008 at Lakeland, FL I have a
special request. To get directly to the point, those of us who work as
volunteers in the Basic Sheet Metal Workshop plan to construct a Zenith 701
during the six days of the event. As background, let me tell you that this
airplane will be built from a Zenith kit and is being purchased by one of
our workshop members. When the aircraft is completed it will be donated to a
charity. Actually it will be called Angel-1 and be given to a Missionary
organization. Zenith is selling us the kit but will not participate in the
construction. No other company will participate except for some tool
companies who will provide some metal working tools. It will be built just
by the volunteers in our workshop and the folks who come to our shop to
learn basic metal skills. Our plan is to build as much as we can get done in
the six days and then complete it and fly it at the end of SunNFun 2009.
My request of you folks is that we would like you experienced builders of
Zenith aircraft to act as volunteer supervisors / guides for the volunteers
working on the various parts. Of course 701 experience would be best, but
you 601, 640 and 801 builders would do fine, I'm sure. We would only ask for
a few hours a day for a day or two from each of you to help us move this
project along. Our regular workshop volunteers will still run the folks
through our shop and then send them on to work on the 701.
We plan to begin work on the aft fuselage, one wing and the tail feathers at
the same time. If time allows, we will start on the second wing and the
forward fuselage. This work will be done in a air conditioned room which is
part of the Basic Sheet Metal Workshop. As for tools, the only tool we would
ask you to bring if possible is your favorite hand or pneumatic Avex Rivet
puller, including the concave heads for the rivet pullers. We plan to have
the necessary tables in place.
I urge you to give this some thought. I think you will enjoy helping with
this worthy project and you will be helping prospective Zenith aircraft
builders who will no doubt come by to learn.
If you are interested in helping us with this project, please send your
questions and comments directly to me at planejim@bellsouth.net . I'll be
glad to respond with details.
By the way, I am the Co-Chairman of the Basic Sheet Metal Workshop at
SunNFun as well as a Zenith 601HD builder. I know there are some great
builders on this site who would be a big help with our project. Please help
if you can. Thanks.
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Jim Hoak - Co-Chairman Basic Sheet Metal Workshop
SunNFun 2008
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A minimum number of hours must be flown off on the airplane by any pilot
to complete the phase I testing. It's not necessary for all the hours to
be flown off by the same pilot.
Gig Giacona wrote:
>
> No Bill there's nothing wrong with that. In fact it is a great idea. There is
no reason though not to count the time the first pilot flies in the 40 hours.
>
>
>
> naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote:
>> All-
>> As I said, I would do all that was LEGAL to ensure my confidence. I'm
not looking for ways to buck the system.
>> Is there anything illegal with letting another qualified person make one
or more flights, then passing on his findings before the owner gets in the
cockpit? Start the 40 hrs from that point? I'm interested in the responses from
flying posters, but don't want to drag this thread on.
>> Over and out.
>> Bill
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Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing |
Thanks Larry:
Your website and project encouraged me tremendously while I was building.
Thanks for all the help,
Scott Laughlin
601XL / Corvair
Finished & Flying
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
As long ago as WW2 a Czech company, Avia, made a constant-speed (or maybe
just controllable) prop which had vanes on the spinner. I believe the
spinner rotated in the airstream, driving a hydraulic pump. I seem to
remember that Hartzell experimented with such a device. Anyone out there
with more knowlege about this?
George
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From: "Al Hays" <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinner with Cooling Fins
<alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>
> Dave,
>
> That sounds familiar but I haven't found it yet. However, yesterday
> on the CorvAircraft list WW had a post regarding the Corvair powered
> 701 with 601 nosebowl on which Gus put a 3" smaller diameter spinner
> and additional inlets to feed more cooling air. Makes more sense to
> me than fins on the spinner unless the fins purpose has nothing to do
> with cooling.
>
> Al Hays
> 601XL kit-starting fuselage/Corvair
> STOL701 kit set aside probable Corvair
>
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:21 AM, David Downey wrote:
>
> > I do not recall that thread but there is a german company (I think)
> > that makes a automatically variable pitch prop with the change
> > mechanism built into vanes in the spinner/hub...?
> >
> > James Sagerser <alaskajim@cox.net> wrote: --> Zenith-List message
> > posted by: James Sagerser
> >
> > Recently someone mentioned a propeller manufacture who installed
> > "cooling
> > fins" on their spinners. Does anyone have information on this? Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave Downey
> > Harleysville (SE) PA
> > 100 HP Corvair
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
> --
1/29/2008 9:51 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? |
I like this idea!
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[quote="bill_dom(at)yahoo.com"]I've made my relief cuts with the router and a 45
degree trimming bit. It is a painless and quick operation.
However, If you make them with your router and you use them as mold to make your
crimps in the manner shown in Mark's scratch building DVD, they might come out
too wide. I use the ZAC crimping tool for this and the results are great.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
When I first decided to switch to scratch building, I thought it would be easy
to find a builder willing to pass on his old forming block when finished with
them. I was surprised when my post last year got no responses offering to sell
old forming blocks. Now I see
> [b]
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Hi Andy,
ashontz wrote:
>
> How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on them.
Yep, I also did it in reverse to the way you describe-
-Rough cut the form
-Sand it to final dimensions on the disc sander at 90 degrees
-Rout the 1/8" round
-Run a marking gauge or pencil line right around the edge of the round
-Angle the sander table to 10 degrees, and carefully sand to the line... this is
tricky as you have to stand right over the table to see, in good light, but
if you take your time it works okay.
If I still had access to a spindle moulder, I would have used a sleeve with 10
degree blades in it to cut the springback angle.
Glenn
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601XL- just started.
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I think I made three sets of ribs for ailerons (& one new aileron too), the
last set after the skins were bent. I did not use form blocks but only cut
out a pattern for tracing and bent them on the brake and finished with some
home made hand forming pliers(cheap harbor freight pliers with some 1/8"
plate brazed on).
You kit guys really miss out on a lot of fun. I made 3 ailerons, 2 rudders,
3 wing fuel tanks, and lots of small parts twice. Educational project? You
bet. I'm sure I made FAA happy in that regard! do not archive
Aaron G.
> Now that I think about it, I'm probably just going to remake the ribs.
> Didn't take that long. Probably be easier than dealing with shims and
> whatnot. Plus, no point in adding weight when I can just back up, spend an
> hour and redo them the right way from the word go.
> How are other people making their forms and putting the 1.8 radius on
> them.
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
I am sorry that you had to endure this type of treatment and for you obvious setback.
I also find my self, admiring your obvious character.
Now I too, am looking forward to seeing a diesel fly !
Kevin McCune
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Jeff-
Up here by the lake (Erie) the poor cart retrievers at Wal-Mart start in
the parking lot and are blown 2 blocks away. We don't have a WIND chill
factor, we have a GALE chill factor. You also take small, careful steps to
keep from falling on the ice. I believe there's global warming, just not
here.
Thanks for the offer. Will contact you off-list.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: "THOMAS SMALL" <tjs22t@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test flight
>
>
>> Perhaps
>> there's someone in PA that has a HDS that would be willing to get you
>> transitioned.
>
> All Bill (and Lynn too) have to do is get the 125 or so miles to the
> southeast and show up in Carlisle, PA.
>
> The subs and pizza are on them, the HDS on me.
>
> CAVU Jeff Small in southcentral PA where winds are 30 gusting to 40+
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: ethanol in autofuel |
I feel bad adding my two cents because the topic is kind of an off list
issue. But on behalf of the human cost of ethanol.
In general the arguments for including Ethanol in any auto-fuel are
specious.
I find it interesting that the same people advocating the idea that we are
over farming our lands and depleting our soil when we grow grains to feed
people and livestock, support the idea of feeding it to our automobiles.
The worldwide cost of corn has risen dramatically along with sympathetic
upward movement for other grains. This will give the United States another
black eye on the international scene when third world children starve
because they can no longer afford the new grain prices.
It takes 450 lbs of corn plus fossil fuels to grow and harvest enough corn
to create 25 gallons of ethanol. That is enough to feed a person for a
year.
Ethanol is a knee-jerk political offering.
If you want to solve this problem you will need to stick closer to good
science and distance yourself from the line of new corn constituencies that
are being formed.
In the long view, I want to see success creating the first large scale
Fusion Reactor coupled to a Hydrogen economy.
(Unlimited, clean power) I am not up to date but the French were selected
to try this as a multinational $19 billion project. In the short run this
would work with fission reactors as well.
Gary Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
On another list I've been watching, (although not closely following) a very
"heated" (pun intended) arguement about cooling and such. It occured to me
that one solution to all this was of course to simply mount a very large fan
to the front of the motor.......
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinner with Cooling Fins
>
> As long ago as WW2 a Czech company, Avia, made a constant-speed (or maybe
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It's
zenithairss@gmail.com
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From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Address
Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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try this
zenithairss@gmail.com
--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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| Subject: | Re: Lift sling for the CH-701 |
Les.
Thanks for the info.
Ref your question on gear spring, I use the original ZAC gear spring
with 950 amphib floats. In my humble opinion this configuration is
superior to some new floats I have seen for the following reason:
1. Config change from floats to wheel/skis and back is simple using the
same spring.
2. Retain nose wheel steering.
3. Low centre of gravity for better cross-wind capability on land or
water..
4. Spring reduces shock to fuselage during TO/landing on land or choppy
water.
5. Lower access for entry/exit.
6. One of the lightest amphib gears for the 701. My floats weigh less
than 60# each and that is with steel wheels and hyd brakes, water
rudder and air actuator.
The most important feature for those of us that are fallible, if you
forget to retract the wheels and land on water the a/c will very likely
remain upright. If for some reason you plan a water landing with the
gear down and do it as per ZAC procedure, the gear will not cause an
upset and the landing is very near normal.
It is possible that the lower config will accelerate prop erosion. in my
case with a WarpDride three bade and 500 hrs on the water erosion has
been insignificant.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Lift sling for the CH-701
Carl,
Paul Reinders, a very experienced (35,000 hour) Alaskan pilot who has
a 701 ski/float plane, attached tangs to the plane for picking it up to
change skis and floats. The tangs need to be placed facing upward and
running parallel with the air flow on both forward wing root attachment
points at the place where the wing is bolted to the fus.
My 701 does not have any main gear spring (although the gear probably
has some spring in it). Does your 701 have some new or specially
designed gear?
Regards,
Les
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:11 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Lift sling for the CH-701
I would like to use a sling to lift my a/c to removal and inspect
the main gear spring. I have seen slings for other high wing a/c that
attach to the fuselage wing attach point and they look very functional.
Has anyone done this? Has Chris H approved lifting the 701 this way?
Any help appreciated. Please reply on this list.
Carl
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| Subject: | Painting the cabin |
I am working on the cabin floor and wing center section. I am assuming that
now (or very soon) would be the best time to pain the interior of the
cockpit. I have a pretty good idea of my color choices but my question is
more of a "how-to". how do I prep, prime and paint the cockpit?
I am using the cortec primer that came with the kit (instead of Zinc
Chromate) so I assume the painting system is a personal choice (such as
Randolph, poly-tone, etc.)
Prep with 3M pads then clean with MEK, but beyond that.....what? Do I use a
premixed system such as polytone? or enamel with a reducer (whatever the
hell that is), such as randolph?
Any suggestions?
Brad Cohen
XL/TD slow-build kit
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Shirley Swearingen > zenithairss@gmail.com
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--- Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
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shirley@zenithair.com
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Bill Naumuk wrote:
> Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa.
> HDS Fuse/Corvair
>
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how do all of y'all keep your plane parts so freaking clean? it seems like
every picture of every aileron, flap and wingtip I see on here has pristine
surfaces, to the point where they look like they just came out of ZAC;
whereas mine are covered with minute scratches, stains from drops of sweat
and a few drops of blood (o.k., well maybe more than a few!) and the ever
present thin coat of garage dust????
Just an observation
Brad
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The other way to make the skin is use the ribs for the measurements when making
the bends. Come on it's only an air deflector :)
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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Zenithairss@gmail.com Try this Bill .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Address
Does anyone have Shirley's Zenith e-mail address?
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Phase I Test Flight Testing |
Scott,
First I wanted to congratulate you. Great job!
As to your question. I guess I'm confused by the responses, and it's probably
my misconception. I thought that before you finished your X number of hours
of phase 1 testing, the FAA issued a conditional airworthiness certificate, that
limited you to flight testing only. And it was only after completion that
they issued a normal airworthiness certificate. I assumed the limitations on
the conditional certificate would stipulate NO passengers.
I haven't finished building, so I ask, Is that incorrect?
Dan
cookwithgas wrote:
> Hi guys:
>
> For those of you who can fly out of your FAA imposed triangle, what did you do
after your 25 or 40 hours?
>
> 1. Notify the FAA that you are finished and wait for instruction?
> 2. Do nothing, just grab a passenger and fly south to some place warm?
> 3. Fill out a form, hire a notary, get it stamped and hang a copy on your wall?
> 4. Sell your airplane and start building another?
>
> My FAA guy said to notify him when I was getting close to the 40 hours and I'm
not sure why. He had me do some other non-standard things also and I'm wondering
if this is necessary or if I can just grab a passenger and fly south.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> Living in the Great Frozen North
> 601XL / Corvair Finished & Flying
> www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
Back again to those thrilling days of yesteryear, in this case WW2: The
Fw190 was powered by a BMW 801 air-cooled radial. It had a cooling fan just
behind the propeller, geared to turn at 3.17 times propeller speed.
In aviation, it's hard to come up with an idea that hasn't already been
tried by someone, sometime.
George
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G." <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinner with Cooling Fins
>
> On another list I've been watching, (although not closely following) a
very
> "heated" (pun intended) arguement about cooling and such. It occured to me
> that one solution to all this was of course to simply mount a very large
fan
> to the front of the motor.......
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Swinford" <grs-pms@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spinner with Cooling Fins
>
>
<grs-pms@comcast.net>
> >
> > As long ago as WW2 a Czech company, Avia, made a constant-speed (or
maybe
>
>
> --
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
Jim, I 'd be interested in seeing the photo. What organization do you work
with? I have been working with ABWE on various construction projects. The Lord
has His reasons for this. Where is the 801 slated for?
God Bless
Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Fwd: WW Engine Mount |
--- Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:20:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
> Subject: WW Engine Mount
> To: corvaircraft@mylist.net
>
> The postman delivered my WW engine mount today and
> it
> fits like a glove on my 601 fuselage. Build your
> firewall and front fuselage just like the Zenith
> plans
> show and WW's mount will just slip right on. If
> things work out well, I might get to hang my engine
> this week, exciting.
>
>
> Rich Vetterli
> Pleasanton, CA
> CH601XL under construction
> Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a
>
>
>
>
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Greetings from Idaho
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but the second sentence of paragraph
6 of the Experimental Operating Limitations states "Flight test operations
will only be conducted under VFR conditions, with the pilot as the sole occupant
of the aircraft." This limitation (part of 22 -- which is carried in your
aircraft) should alleviate some of the confusion on this thread about passengers,
CFIs, etc...
Mack
N990MK
Just received Airworthiness Certificate!
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Flying 601 in close proximity to Boise Idaho |
Ladies and Gents;
Due to insurance requirements, I am wondering if there is anyone with a flying
601 within 200+/- miles of Boise Idaho that would be willing to allow my 7000
hour test pilot a checkout?
I would be forever grateful!
Mack
N990MK
Newly certificated
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Broken 601 canopy |
Ladies and Gents;
Have you ever seen a grown man cry? Well, just a few hours ago, I managed to break
a small triangular (1 x 3 inch) section out of the bubble of my newly certificated
601XL -- where it meets the glare shield.
I can't afford a new bubble, in fact I can't afford to inquire about the cost of
a new bubble.
I've seen antique dishes repaired in such a manner that the repair is barely noticeable.
Any ideas or solutions on how to repair this horrible mistake? I'll be forever
grateful!
Mack
N990MK
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Broken 601 canopy |
Hello Mac:
Dry your tears all is not lost. If the bubble is made from
polycarbonate AKA Lexan, then almost any solvent, MEK works very well, can be
used to "weld" the broken part back onto the canopy.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 1/30/2008 10:10:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
aprazer@cableone.net writes:
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Ladies and Gents;
Have you ever seen a grown man cry? Well, just a few hours ago, I managed to
break a small triangular (1 x 3 inch) section out of the bubble of my newly
certificated 601XL -- where it meets the glare shield.
I can't afford a new bubble, in fact I can't afford to inquire about the
cost of a new bubble.
I've seen antique dishes repaired in such a manner that the repair is barely
noticeable.
Any ideas or solutions on how to repair this horrible mistake? I'll be
forever grateful!
Mack
N990MK
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The poh-oh-unemployed farm boy from Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Forming blocks - a 'right of passage"??? |
Guys,
Here is a picture of my jig to make the relief cuts.
John Hines
www.johnsplane.com
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John Hines
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