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1. 03:45 AM - Re: want to buy completed ch 801, partnership OK (stepinwolf)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: Throttle Cable Friction (DaveG601XL)
3. 04:21 AM - Re: want to buy completed ch 801, partnership OK (ZodieRocket)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Aileron Fit (ashontz)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: By The Way (cookwithgas)
7. 06:36 AM - Re: Broken 601 canopy (aprazer)
8. 06:42 AM - GPS ANTENNAE (GLJSOJ1)
9. 07:58 AM - Re: Cabin access step - 601XL (Tim Juhl)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE (george may)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: Cabin access step - 601XL (Tim Juhl)
12. 08:46 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE ()
13. 08:46 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE ()
14. 08:53 AM - Re: Throttle Cable Friction (John M. Goodings)
15. 09:06 AM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (ashontz)
16. 09:17 AM - Re: Cabin access step - 601XL (LarryMcFarland)
17. 09:23 AM - Re: Rib flange repair (LarryMcFarland)
18. 09:53 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack (Terry Phillips)
19. 09:53 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack (japhillipsga@aol.com)
20. 10:04 AM - AOA NOT Eye Candy (Stanley Challgren)
21. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (Craig Payne)
22. 10:06 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE (Al Hays)
23. 10:10 AM - Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins (ashontz)
24. 10:15 AM - Re: AOA NOT Eye Candy (Gary Boothe)
25. 10:17 AM - Re: AOA NOT Eye Candy (Craig Payne)
26. 10:24 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE (Craig Payne)
27. 10:25 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack (Paul Mulwitz)
28. 10:36 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE (george may)
29. 11:04 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE ()
30. 11:05 AM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE ()
31. 11:09 AM - Antennas (Beckman, Rick)
32. 11:21 AM - Jabiru prices (pavel569)
33. 11:53 AM - Re: Antennas (n85ae)
34. 12:04 PM - Re: Jabiru prices (Bill Berle)
35. 12:21 PM - Re: Jabiru prices (Craig Payne)
36. 12:46 PM - Re: Jabiru prices (THOMAS SMALL)
37. 01:07 PM - Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack (Dave Nixon)
38. 01:44 PM - Re: GPS ANTENNAE (Juan Vega)
39. 01:45 PM - Re: Broken 601 canopy (PatrickW)
40. 02:27 PM - Re: Jabiru prices (pavel569)
41. 03:03 PM - Re: Antennas (Bryan Martin)
42. 03:06 PM - Re: Cabin access step - 601XL (Bryan Martin)
43. 03:21 PM - Re: Jabiru prices (swater6)
44. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru prices (Craig Payne)
45. 05:13 PM - Re: Antennas (Rob St Denis)
46. 05:26 PM - Rudder travel (Tim Juhl)
47. 05:28 PM - Re: Antennas (Tim Juhl)
48. 05:45 PM - Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack (Maarten Versteeg)
49. 05:51 PM - Re: Rudder travel (Juan Vega)
50. 05:56 PM - Re: AOA NOT Eye Candy (n801bh@netzero.com)
51. 06:40 PM - Re: Antennas (Bryan Martin)
52. 06:57 PM - Re: Cabin access step - 601XL (rgeese)
53. 07:15 PM - Re: Lift sling for the CH-701 (Carl)
54. 08:16 PM - 701 with chute (Tracy)
55. 11:08 PM - Official Zenith-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
56. 11:08 PM - Official Zenith-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: want to buy completed ch 801, partnership OK |
Try this http://www.can-zacaviation.com/ . They have a freshly built 801 for sale with less then 80 total hours on it, and since you are a fisherman, they are the sole distributors for the Zenith designed floats.
Good luck in finding
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Friction |
VictorBravo,
You cautions are duly noted. Especially those about tie wraps. I have a fair
amount of firewall wiring in the vicinity of the throttle torque tube levers.
You are right in that these need to be secured by more than mere plastic straps.
Thanks,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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| Subject: | want to buy completed ch 801, partnership OK |
http://www.can-zacaviation.com/zenith__stol__ch801.htm
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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I would like to purchase a Zenith 801, but don't have time or knowledge
to build it. Does anyone own (or know of) an 801 that is for sale? I
am already watching Trade-a-Plane, Barnstormers, eBay, etc.
I would also consider a partnership in SE Texas. I am in need of a
plane for STOL at a fishing camp landing strip on the South Texas coast,
and a ranch field in Central Texas.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
--Curtis
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hey, that's a good idea, a 10 degree wedge on a router table. I like that.
I have a router table, I just didn't think to try a wedge. Good idea.
[quote="Aerolitellc(at)aol.com"]Andy if you have a router table it can be done
using the proper bits and setting your table at the proper angles and if your
table doesn't tilt you can make a angled template to run the form on. I have
to agree with Doug and the steps he outlined. Or you could just buy a mill.
Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489) in the new year.
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
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Ron Lendon wrote:
> The other way to make the skin is use the ribs for the measurements when making
the bends. Come on it's only an air deflector :)
Yeah, I've done that one other parts. This time around I made the ribs first. I
also thought about putting one of the ribs back in the form and then forming
a new rib around the rib in the form and see if that gives a little better fit,
super-size the new rib slightly.
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I wipe the blood off before snapping the picture.
Scott Laughlin
Lots of pictures
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Broken 601 canopy |
Thank you one and all for your input -- I will carefully repair in hopes that it
will not show too much!
Mack
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Hi All
Question on the placement of the GPS antennae. I have panel mounted my Lawrence
GPS and now the antennae will only reach three feet. Has anyone put the antennae
over the panel instead of over the baggage area as indicated in the plans.
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601XL BUILDER
ALMOST DONE
CHESAPEAKE VA
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin access step - 601XL |
Thanks all... My question arose because when I had the unit clecoed in place
I noticed that if I pulled down on one of the steps there was movement in the
slip joint...
While I had it in place I drilled thru the tubes where they meet with a #40 and
put a cleco in it so if I decide to drill I've got the proper position all locked
in.
Thanks!
Tim
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
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I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately above it
on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185 hours
George May
601XL 912s> Subject: Zenith-List: GPS ANTENNAE> From: gljno10@HOTMAIL.COM>
Zenith-List message posted by: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10@hotmail.com>> > Hi All> >
Question on the placement of the GPS antennae. I have panel mounted my Law
rence GPS and now the antennae will only reach three feet. Has anyone put t
he antennae over the panel instead of over the baggage area as indicated in
the plans.> > --------> 601XL BUILDER> ALMOST DONE> CHESAPEAKE VA> > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin access step - 601XL |
heh heh! Oldtimers disease kicking in :-)
Instead of "if I decide to drill" should read "if I decide to weld"
Tim
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I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on the panel. It's
kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only bring both on X-C flights.
I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM weather radar data. Both of them locked
onto the satellites with antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop
so you should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
Dred
---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately above it on
the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185 hours
>
> George May
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I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on the panel. It's
kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only bring both on X-C flights.
I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM weather radar data. Both of them locked
onto the satellites with antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop
so you should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
Dred
---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately above it on
the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185 hours
>
> George May
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Friction |
The CHOKE cable on Rotax 912s (mine is a 912S) is notoriously stiff. We
cured the problem with a product called "Rust-Check" which is sold in
Canada in Canadian Tire Stores. I presume it is available also in the
U.S. It is wonderful stuff: a very thin (red-coloured) oil that wicks its
way along the cable wire, frees it up and keeps it free. We apply it
fairly regularly to the cable ends. No more problems.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Carp/Ottawa, Toronto/Waterloo.
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
Anyone ever heard of a one bladed prop. I'm not kidding, it actually existed and
apparently worked well and was auto adjusting.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin access step - 601XL |
Tim,
The tube on the HDS is welded and riveted to angles at the center.
You need secure connections to counter the load on the step in 3 directions.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/steptubassy.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/fuselage/full/stepassy.gif
Quite stout for the material it's attached to.
Larry McFarland 601HDS
Tim Juhl wrote:
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> Just curious what others are doing about the tube that joins the two cabin access
steps. Did you just slip it together and forget it or did you either weld
the joint or put a bolt through it once you fitted the steps to the fuselage?
>
> Seems to me that you'd get a little more strength out of a welded or bolted
slip joint.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Rib flange repair |
Hi Bill,
Yes, the clearance is more than adequate to turn without running heels
into the tire.
Larry
thesumak@aol.com wrote:
> Larry:
>
> Thanks for your reply to my rib flange problem. I visited your site.
> Lots of interesting things. I'm a bike builder also. I have made
> several long wheel base recumbents and a few bikes that come apart for
> transport in small airplanes. Your short wheel base design looks
> great but I have a question: Do you have enough clearance between the
> front wheel and the pedals to allow you to pedal while turning?
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack |
Maarten
I've not flown with any AOA indicator, but I am very interested in using
one. I have considered hooking the Dynon pitot plumbing the both the ram
air orifice and the angled orifice to the Dywer Minihelic pressure gage
that is frequently used for homebuilt AOA indicators. It seems to me that
you could calibrate a generic AOA indicator (i.e., Dynon, homebuilt,
whatever) for any pressure source that produces a differential pressure
proportional to the angle of attack. I've also thought of making a pitot
similar to ones used the the F-117 fighter. I'm attaching a photo of one of
those pitots. As you can see, this pitot has 5 orifices, a direct ram air
orifice facing forward, and 4 that are on faces ~45=B0 up, down, right, &
left. For AOA input, the right & left orifices would be eliminated, and the
top and bottom orfices would be plumbed to the AOA gage. There may be a
static port on the F-117 pitot as well--I forgot to look.
Whether a different pitot would work with the Dynon would depend on what
sort of curve fit is used in the Dynon software to calculate the AOA from
the differential pressure signal. Probably, only Dynon could give you a
definitive answer to this question.
Terry
At 12:36 PM 1/31/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello group,
>
>I am considering using a Dynon for my 601 instrument
>panel. Even though I have never flown with an AOA
>indicator it seems a useful addition to my panel.
>My question is now: can I only use the Dynon AoA
>indicator when I buy their pitot or can I use any
>angle of attack sensor?
>
>Maarten Versteeg
>601xl plansbuilding wings
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o.. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are
done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack |
Ed, I agree with both you and Juan. As we fly the XL near, at or over gross a lot
of the time the power off stall can be felt and noticed when the plane is heavy.
That should be at the weight you adjust the sensor probe for a little margin
of safety. At or near gross when the dial indicator gets in the yellow ban
you had better have the wheels near the ground, as you may well remember? because
she it coming down. Another reason to install the AOA LRI?is because you
don't have to worry much about density altitude. When the plane is going fast
enough to fly the dial moves into the green ban, pull back and your flying.?Course
if your on some short strip you might want to compute the DA. I never used
one in the years and planes I'd flown until I installed one in my XL. I'll
never fly/build another without an AOA LRI. My 2 cents, best regards, Bill?
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From: dredmoody@cox.net
Sent: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 3:01 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack
Since we all have opinions...... my opinion is that it is just as important to
avoid the stall/mush phenomenon in which the plane loses altitude precipitously
on approach and departure as it is to avoid a stall/spin event in the same
environment.
The decision to have an AOA display and learn to use it is based on how you want
to detect the threashold of the stall. If you feel that you can detect the
situation and act to avert it with out an AOA system, that's as good a choice as
choosing to install one. But saying that the plane has docile stall
characteristics is not (for me) a good reason to dismiss the usefulness of an
AOA system.
Dred
Dred
---- Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Its a great toy, however since the 601xl does not have a breaking stall, which
is what you want to avert hence the AOA, its just an added bell and whistle.
CASe and point:
> the AOA is to make the plane does not stall on tight turns on final or shallow
turns on final at slow speeds.
> the 601 can be in slow flight at below the green arch and not break into spin,
it just drops at 1000 fpm, until you push the stick or apply a little power.
> The AOA shows when the plane has no more lift based on the green arch numbers
you program in. If the 601 flys straight and level at below the green arch the
AOA becomes useless.
> It could be usefull in a turn, preventing a side slip stall. But you need to
have brass balls to turn the 601 from base to final tightly (45deg or <), at
less than 55 mph.
>
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Maarten Versteeg <maarten.versteeg@swri.org>
> >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 1:36 PM
> >To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack
> >
> >
> >Hello group,
> >
> >I am considering using a Dynon for my 601 instrument
> >panel. Even though I have never flown with an AOA
> >indicator it seems a useful addition to my panel.
> >My question is now: can I only use the Dynon AoA
> >indicator when I buy their pitot or can I use any
> >angle of attack sensor?
> >
> >Maarten Versteeg
> >601xl plansbuilding wings
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | AOA NOT Eye Candy |
Zenitheers:
A recent comment indicated Naval aircraft had AOA indicators so that
pilots had "Heads Buried" in cockpit and thus hit the fantail on
carrier approaches. While there is an AOA indicator in the cockpit
there is also one mounted above the glare shield which is directly in
the line of sight for landing. A down chevron indicated you needed to
lower the nose and an up chevron indicated the nose needed to be
higher. The donunt in the center indicated you were at the optimum
AOA (at least on F4's & A-4's).
While I would agree that an AOA is not needed for most 701 landings,
mine will be in a pasture at 8,000' msl. I believe an AOA will be
advantageous under those conditions. I have installed a LRI on my 701
and the indicator will be in my line of sight for the landing area,
similar to the McDonnell aircraft referenced above. More info can be
found on the LRI at >http://www.liftreserve.com/<.
I should add that the LRI will also serve as my standby airspeed
indicator.
Stan Challgren
N701VG (Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
That would be the Everel propeller:
http://www.notplanejane.com/aeromatic.htm#everel1
Somewhere on the Internet is a scan of an old magazine article on this.
And here is some NASA research:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-445/ch4-5.htm
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ashontz
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins
Anyone ever heard of a one bladed prop. I'm not kidding, it actually existed
and apparently worked well and was auto adjusting.
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CH601XL - Corvair
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Dred, and George,
How's the whiskey compass behave with those GPS antennas on the panel?
Do not archive.
Al
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net>
wrote:
>
> I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on
> the panel. It's kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only
> bring both on X-C flights. I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM
> weather radar data. Both of them locked onto the satellites with
> antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop so you
> should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
>
> Dred
>
> ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately
>> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185
>> hours
>>
>> George May
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner with Cooling Fins |
EAA Experimenter did an article on it about 1994.
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craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> That would be the Everel propeller:
>
> http://www.notplanejane.com/aeromatic.htm#everel1
>
> Somewhere on the Internet is a scan of an old magazine article on this.
>
> And here is some NASA research:
>
> http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-445/ch4-5.htm
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> --
--------
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | AOA NOT Eye Candy |
Stanley,
Just wondering...are you going to also deploy a tailhook? ;)
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley
Challgren
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: AOA NOT Eye Candy
Zenitheers:
A recent comment indicated Naval aircraft had AOA indicators so that
pilots had "Heads Buried" in cockpit and thus hit the fantail on
carrier approaches. While there is an AOA indicator in the cockpit
there is also one mounted above the glare shield which is directly in
the line of sight for landing. A down chevron indicated you needed to
lower the nose and an up chevron indicated the nose needed to be
higher. The donunt in the center indicated you were at the optimum
AOA (at least on F4's & A-4's).
While I would agree that an AOA is not needed for most 701 landings,
mine will be in a pasture at 8,000' msl. I believe an AOA will be
advantageous under those conditions. I have installed a LRI on my 701
and the indicator will be in my line of sight for the landing area,
similar to the McDonnell aircraft referenced above. More info can be
found on the LRI at >http://www.liftreserve.com/<.
I should add that the LRI will also serve as my standby airspeed
indicator.
Stan Challgren
N701VG (Reserved)
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| Subject: | AOA NOT Eye Candy |
Don't forget that on some electronic AOA indicators (AFS's stand-alone and
MGL's inside their EFIS) an audio warning can be injected into the intercom
in a stall situation. So the AOA also functions as a "blind" (while you are
looking out the window) stall warning.
www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Products/AOA/aoa.html
http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley
Challgren
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: AOA NOT Eye Candy
Zenitheers:
A recent comment indicated Naval aircraft had AOA indicators so that
pilots had "Heads Buried" in cockpit and thus hit the fantail on
carrier approaches. While there is an AOA indicator in the cockpit
there is also one mounted above the glare shield which is directly in
the line of sight for landing. A down chevron indicated you needed to
lower the nose and an up chevron indicated the nose needed to be
higher. The donunt in the center indicated you were at the optimum
AOA (at least on F4's & A-4's).
While I would agree that an AOA is not needed for most 701 landings,
mine will be in a pasture at 8,000' msl. I believe an AOA will be
advantageous under those conditions. I have installed a LRI on my 701
and the indicator will be in my line of sight for the landing area,
similar to the McDonnell aircraft referenced above. More info can be
found on the LRI at >http://www.liftreserve.com/<.
I should add that the LRI will also serve as my standby airspeed
indicator.
Stan Challgren
N701VG (Reserved)
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Well, one thing to watch out for is that some remote GPS antennas have a
strong magnet in them to hold them to the "dash". Generally the magnet is
glued on and can be pried off.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hays
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS ANTENNAE
Dred, and George,
How's the whiskey compass behave with those GPS antennas on the panel?
Do not archive.
Al
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net>
wrote:
>
> I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on
> the panel. It's kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only
> bring both on X-C flights. I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM
> weather radar data. Both of them locked onto the satellites with
> antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop so you
> should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
>
> Dred
>
> ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately
>> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185
>> hours
>>
>> George May
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack |
I think it sometimes helps to look at things backwards. In this case
that means considering how closely you can safely fly without
stalling rather than simply avoiding a stall.
An AOA or LRI allows you to pick a margin above your current stall
speed and fly your approach with only that margin. That means
landing in the minimum space and at the minimum speed while still
maintaining safety margins. It also means each pilot can pick his
own safety margin. This kind of precision flying is just not
possible when only the airspeed indicator is used to control approach speeds.
If your only use of an AOA or LRI is as a stall warning device, you
might do better to just install a stall warning device.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 09:49 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:
>Ed, I agree with both you and Juan. As we fly the XL near, at or
>over gross a lot of the time the power off stall can be felt and
>noticed when the plane is heavy.
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Not a problem with the antenna, however, I did have to move the compass fro
m the top of the panel up and away onto the canopy due to interference from
the Lowrance gps itself.
George
do not archive> From: alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-
List: GPS ANTENNAE> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:03:43 -0500> To: zenith-list@m
illfarmsheep.com>> > Dred, and George,> > How's the whiskey compass behave
with those GPS antennas on the panel?> Do not archive.> > Al> On Feb 1, 200
8, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net> > wrote:> > > --> Z
enith-List message posted by: <dredmoody@cox.net>> >> > I have my old Lowra
nce 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on > > the panel. It's kind of a
belt and suspenders issue but I'll only > > bring both on X-C flights. I b
ought the Garmin mostly to get the XM > > weather radar data. Both of them
locked onto the satellites with > > antennas on the forward top skin even i
nside my workshop so you > > should have no issues with your antenna placed
there inflight.> >> > Dred> >> > ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wr
ote:> >>> >> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediat
ely > >> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185 >
=============> > >
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| Subject: | Re: GPS ANTENNAE |
My installation won't help answer that question, Al. My whiskey compass is suspended
on it's mounting stalk from the bubble to keep it as far away from the magnetic
fields as possible. That being said, I saw someone's remote magneotmeter
installation right smack in the middle of a number of high current wires between
the firewall and the panel of his plane. Guess what? He said it is spot
on! Who'da thunk it?
Dred
---- Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:
>
> Dred, and George,
>
> How's the whiskey compass behave with those GPS antennas on the panel?
> Do not archive.
>
> Al
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on
> > the panel. It's kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only
> > bring both on X-C flights. I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM
> > weather radar data. Both of them locked onto the satellites with
> > antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop so you
> > should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
> >
> > Dred
> >
> > ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately
> >> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185
> >> hours
> >>
> >> George May
> >>
>
>
>
>
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The magnetic mount on Garmin and Lowrance is an option and has to be glued or screwed
on if you want it. Velcro mounting is more than adequate for the antenna
and allows you to take it with you if you care to use the gps in land mode too.
That's how mine are done and it works fine.
Dred
---- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> Well, one thing to watch out for is that some remote GPS antennas have a
> strong magnet in them to hold them to the "dash". Generally the magnet is
> glued on and can be pried off.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hays
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:04 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS ANTENNAE
>
>
> Dred, and George,
>
> How's the whiskey compass behave with those GPS antennas on the panel?
> Do not archive.
>
> Al
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on
> > the panel. It's kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only
> > bring both on X-C flights. I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM
> > weather radar data. Both of them locked onto the satellites with
> > antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop so you
> > should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
> >
> > Dred
> >
> > ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately
> >> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185
> >> hours
> >>
> >> George May
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi, All,
I have a question for you who have experience
with antennas. How do you check the ohms of an antenna?
Rick Beckman
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Yesterday, just for fun I've checked the Jabiru USA web to find out, that they
increased prices for 3300 $2,500 to $18,400. About a month ago my planned EFIS
Enigma from MGL went $250 more. I just wonder, where I'll be a year from now
when I'll be actually buying this stuff. Everything that is made in USA is already
expensive and now even import is fighting US dollar value. It seems I'll
have to find a good Yugo engine conversion and use a long rope hanging from the
plane to checked the current altitude [Crying or Very sad]
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
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Actually you don't check the ohms because the antenna and ground are NOT
connected. You can check the coax to the antenna. You need an antenna
test set to check see if the antenna is good. A simple check is to just hook
it up, and listen to the radio. Assuming the comm is cut to the correct
length, and you can hear people talking you are generally going to be
ok.
The simple check is "xyx tower/unicom, radiocheck please?"
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru prices |
115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000, check our Raven
Redrives page www.raven-rotors.com I think. If you are just interested
in looking at the instrument panel when you are flying then I suggest a
computer flight simulator which will cost you only $50. Otherwise use
old standard cheap round instruments in the panel... stare out the
windshield and enjoy the real reason you built the plane... flying in
airspace not cyberspace.
>
> Yesterday, just for fun I've checked the Jabiru USA web to find out, that they
increased prices for 3300 $2,500 to $18,400.
> It seems I'll have to find a good Yugo engine conversion and use a long rope
hanging from the plane to checked the current altitude [Crying or Very sad]
>
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Except that electronics will watch themselves and generate an alarm when
something goes out of spec. So you will actually be looking out the window
more.
Oh, and the MGL glass includes an internal GPS. Many dedicated steam gauge
fans still have a GPS.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru prices
115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000, check our Raven
Redrives page www.raven-rotors.com I think. If you are just interested
in looking at the instrument panel when you are flying then I suggest a
computer flight simulator which will cost you only $50. Otherwise use
old standard cheap round instruments in the panel... stare out the
windshield and enjoy the real reason you built the plane... flying in
airspace not cyberspace.
>
> Yesterday, just for fun I've checked the Jabiru USA web to find out, that
they increased prices for 3300 $2,500 to $18,400.
> It seems I'll have to find a good Yugo engine conversion and use a long
rope hanging from the plane to checked the current altitude [Crying or Very
sad]
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru prices |
> 115HP Geo/Suzuki conversion might save you $10,000,
...but
Security of knowing you're flying behind an aircraft engine - PRICELESS.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack |
The beauty of the Dynon AOA is that after initialized and you set up the parameters
for your airplane, it has the capability to produce an AUDIO alert similar
to a Cessna or Piper to alert you to an upcoming stall condition. You can
even wire in an external speaker if your intercom doesn't provide that capability.
Also, I have mounted a .5AMP LED indicator lamp on my panel in my immediate
scan zone as backup. Those that think you have to ' Bury Your Head Inside
' to view indications with a Dynon are not thinking outside the box or airplane.
It is a great safety device. I have customized my pitot system to mimic
Jim's copper tube system and installed a static port receptacle just behind
the co-pilot's seat (just aft of the bend) Hanging the wings this week so I should
be able to give a report soon.
Dave Nixon
CH 601XL Jabiru3300
95% DONE with 50% To Go
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| Subject: | Re: GPS ANTENNAE |
on my panel I haver the airmap antenna on the passenger side of dash. SIRS Compass
is in middle, after adjusting it, it is fine. Keep the antenna about a foot
away and you should be good to go.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>Sent: Feb 1, 2008 1:03 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: GPS ANTENNAE
>
>
>Dred, and George,
>
>How's the whiskey compass behave with those GPS antennas on the panel?
>Do not archive.
>
>Al
>On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM, <dredmoody@cox.net> <dredmoody@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I have my old Lowrance 2000C and a recently bought Garmin 496 on
>> the panel. It's kind of a belt and suspenders issue but I'll only
>> bring both on X-C flights. I bought the Garmin mostly to get the XM
>> weather radar data. Both of them locked onto the satellites with
>> antennas on the forward top skin even inside my workshop so you
>> should have no issues with your antenna placed there inflight.
>>
>> Dred
>>
>> ---- george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Lowrance 2000 panel mounted with the antenna immediately
>>> above it on the top of the panel. Has been working fine for 185
>>> hours
>>>
>>> George May
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Broken 601 canopy |
Are the Zenith canopies made of the same material as the ones that come from Todds...?
Patrick
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru prices |
I will buy the Jabiru and Enigma anyway, I'm just crying that the hole in my pocket
is getting bigger and bigger. I wouldn't fly anything else than well proven
engine and a reliable avionics. Doesn't make a sense to spend so much money
and time to build to go cheap on the most important things on the airplane. I
guess is pretty bad to have a propeller equipped glider without knowing your
airspeed and altitude on your maiden flight.
And actually the Enigma still costs approximately the same as standard instruments
- without GPS.
--------
Pavel
CA
Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
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A DC ohmmeter should show an open circuit when connected across a good
antenna, but that doesn't guarantee that the antenna is any good. An
SWR meter can tell you whether or not the RF energy is being absorbed
by the antenna efficiently. Then again, a 50 Ohm resister across the
antenna leads will also give a good SWR reading but won't radiate RF
energy worth a damn. The real test of how good an antenna is is the
hook it up and call up another transceiver for a radio check. There
isn't a whole lot to an antenna and not a whole lot that can go wrong
with them other than short circuits and bad connections.
On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Beckman, Rick wrote:
> Hi, All,
> I have a question for you who have
> experience with antennas. How do you check the ohms of an antenna?
> Rick
> Beckman
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin access step - 601XL |
I had mine welded in the center.
>
> Just curious what others are doing about the tube that joins the two
> cabin access steps. Did you just slip it together and forget it or
> did you either weld the joint or put a bolt through it once you
> fitted the steps to the fuselage?
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru prices |
You might give Jabiru a call to see if they have any engines left at the old price.
Maybe you'll get lucky and they've had a cancellation or something. Pete
gave us a heads up a few months ago and took orders for the December and January
production runs that were at the old pricing. I bought one in November and
will get delivery this month. I'm actually glad I did now to see the prices
actually going up. I won't need it for a year but it will store just fine until
then.
Scott
--------
601 XL kit
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
www.scottwaters.com
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru prices |
If you won't be starting your Jabiru engine for a while send a note to Pete
at JabiruUSA delaying the start of your warrantee. On the original
HomebuiltHELP FWF DVD (not the newer 2 DVD edition) Pete states that you can
delay the start for up to a year from the delivery date. But he needs
something in writing. Give him a call or drop him an e-mail as this policy
may have changed.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of swater6
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru prices
You might give Jabiru a call to see if they have any engines left at the old
price. Maybe you'll get lucky and they've had a cancellation or something.
Pete gave us a heads up a few months ago and took orders for the December
and January production runs that were at the old pricing. I bought one in
November and will get delivery this month. I'm actually glad I did now to
see the prices actually going up. I won't need it for a year but it will
store just fine until then.
Scott
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601 XL kit
Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage
www.scottwaters.com
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Depending on the matching network used the antenna will in fact show a
short by design
On 2/1/08, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
> A DC ohmmeter should show an open circuit when connected across a good
> antenna, but that doesn't guarantee that the antenna is any good. An
> SWR meter can tell you whether or not the RF energy is being absorbed
> by the antenna efficiently. Then again, a 50 Ohm resister across the
> antenna leads will also give a good SWR reading but won't radiate RF
> energy worth a damn. The real test of how good an antenna is is the
> hook it up and call up another transceiver for a radio check. There
> isn't a whole lot to an antenna and not a whole lot that can go wrong
> with them other than short circuits and bad connections.
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Beckman, Rick wrote:
>
> > Hi, All,
> > I have a question for you who have
> > experience with antennas. How do you check the ohms of an antenna?
> > Rick
> > Beckman
> >
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
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Using the rudder horn for a reference (rudder not installed) I get 20 of deflection
when the horn contacts the end of the fuselage. The acceptable range is
20-22.
Is this what others have seen as well? Unless I file a notch on the horn this
would result in setting the rudder stops essentially even with the rear skin.
Comments?
Tim
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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Rick,
Why do you want to know? Typically a whip type antenna is designed to work with
50 ohm coax. The run is so short that RG58 should do the trick just fine.
Tim
do not archive
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CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Pitot / Angle of Attack |
Thanks for all the replies, a lot to think about. I have made
some flight in an zenith 601 before and one of the arguments
for the selection was the great view, it almost feels like
sitting outside. I agree, one of the great excitements of
flying is looking outside and that is what I plan to do often,
having been an hang-glider pilot, flying without any
instruments, just feeling the the air is great. Adding a tool
in the cockpit should not stop me from spending most of the
time looking outside and feeling the plane.
Sometimes I would like to use my plane for other missions though,
for flying x-country an GPS device makes flying even simpler,
and I could defend the position that it allows you to spend more
time looking outside the cockpit. Concerning the pitot, at some
point I could see myself trying to get an instrument rating using
my zenith, clearly not to fly any hard IFR but to get more
experienced flying the plane, most of the required instruments
for that can later be added in the cockpit, but the pitot is
one of the few items that lives far outside on the wing and may
be harder to change later. As said so many options to think
(dream) about.
Maarten Versteeg
601xl plansbuilding wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder travel |
on the 601 20 deg is plenty of rudder. the rudder being one piece all flying has
more action than most. as they say, "a little dab will do ya"
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Juhl <juhl@avci.net>
>Sent: Feb 1, 2008 8:21 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder travel
>
>
>Using the rudder horn for a reference (rudder not installed) I get 20 of deflection
when the horn contacts the end of the fuselage. The acceptable range is
20-22.
>
>Is this what others have seen as well? Unless I file a notch on the horn this
would result in setting the rudder stops essentially even with the rear skin.
>
>Comments?
>
>Tim
>
>--------
>______________
>CFII
>Champ L16A flying
>Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
>Working on fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=161977#161977
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOA NOT Eye Candy |
Flying out of a strip at 8000' msl is why we built a Zenith product.
do not archive
Ben in Jackson Hole Wyoming.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
Zenitheers:
A recent comment indicated Naval aircraft had AOA indicators so that
pilots had "Heads Buried" in cockpit and thus hit the fantail on
carrier approaches. While there is an AOA indicator in the cockpit
there is also one mounted above the glare shield which is directly in
the line of sight for landing. A down chevron indicated you needed to
lower the nose and an up chevron indicated the nose needed to be
higher. The donunt in the center indicated you were at the optimum
AOA (at least on F4's & A-4's).
While I would agree that an AOA is not needed for most 701 landings,
mine will be in a pasture at 8,000' msl. I believe an AOA will be
advantageous under those conditions. I have installed a LRI on my 701
and the indicator will be in my line of sight for the landing area,
similar to the McDonnell aircraft referenced above. More info can be
found on the LRI at >http://www.liftreserve.com/<.
I should add that the LRI will also serve as my standby airspeed
indicator.
Stan Challgren
N701VG (Reserved)
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That's true but I assumed he was talking about a comm antenna. A
quarter wave whip antenna commonly used for the comm radio, ELT or
transponder is basically a conductor connected to the center pin of
the coax connector, it has no matching network and will show a DC open
circuit. A dipole type antenna with an internal balun such as used for
the VOR receiver or an an amplified GPS antenna, those are a different
story. Other types of antennas with matching networks are not often
used on small aircraft.
On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Rob St Denis wrote:
>
> Depending on the matching network used the antenna will in fact show a
> short by design
>
> On 2/1/08, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
>> A DC ohmmeter should show an open circuit when connected across a
>> good
>> antenna, but that doesn't guarantee that the antenna is any good. An
>> SWR meter can tell you whether or not the RF energy is being absorbed
>> by the antenna efficiently. Then again, a 50 Ohm resister across the
>> antenna leads will also give a good SWR reading but won't radiate RF
>> energy worth a damn. The real test of how good an antenna is is the
>> hook it up and call up another transceiver for a radio check. There
>> isn't a whole lot to an antenna and not a whole lot that can go wrong
>> with them other than short circuits and bad connections.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Beckman, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, All,
>>> I have a question for you who have
>>> experience with antennas. How do you check the ohms of an antenna?
>>> Rick
>>> Beckman
>>>
>>
>>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin access step - 601XL |
I didn't particularly like the little bit of slop either, so I just drilled the
joint in a couple of places longitudally (sp?) and put a couple of A5 rivets
in. I also put a piece of leftover fuel tank cork between the tube and the bottom
skin to eliminate the slight chance that the rivets will loosen up someday
and the tube starts thumping on the bottom skin. The two rivets really tightened
up the connection.
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| Subject: | Re: Lift sling for the CH-701 |
To Les, David and Bill
Thanks for the info and advice. I will talk to Chris H..
Carl
Do nor archive
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does anyone that has an 701 with the brs parachute in it tell me what they did
to reniforce the bagage area to hold the weight of the canister?
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- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Zenith-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Zenith-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Zenith-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Zenith
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
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Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
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Zenith-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Zenith-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Zenith-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
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