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1. 04:06 AM - Re: prepunched wing skins on XL (DaveG601XL)
2. 04:08 AM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (DaveG601XL)
3. 05:44 AM - Recent Fatalities in NC (Ken Arnold)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (cookwithgas)
5. 08:03 AM - Re: Recent Fatalities in NC (stepinwolf)
6. 08:16 AM - rainy day, good for tinkering on parts (Jennifer Moorhouse)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Recent Fatalities in NC (Bryan Martin)
8. 09:08 AM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (japhillipsga@aol.com)
9. 09:47 AM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (cookwithgas)
10. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Recent Fatalities in NC (dragonfuel@aol.com)
11. 10:51 AM - 601XL for rent (Billy Stewart)
12. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: prepunched wing skins on XL (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
13. 11:46 AM - Antennas... (Beckman, Rick)
14. 11:58 AM - Re: rainy day, good for tinkering on parts (Jeyoung65@aol.com)
15. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video (rsteele@rjsit.com)
16. 12:41 PM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (Ron Lendon)
17. 12:49 PM - Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors (Bill Berle)
18. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video (John Short)
19. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors (Craig Payne)
20. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video (Bill Berle)
21. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video ()
22. 02:04 PM - Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors (cookwithgas)
23. 02:17 PM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (cookwithgas)
24. 02:21 PM - Re: 601XL for rent (Larry H)
25. 02:27 PM - #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
26. 03:00 PM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (Gig Giacona)
27. 03:03 PM - Re: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly (Gig Giacona)
28. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video (Bryan Martin)
29. 03:05 PM - Re: 601XL for rent (Gig Giacona)
30. 03:07 PM - Re: 601XL for rent (Darrell Haas)
31. 03:10 PM - Re: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly (Craig Payne)
32. 03:15 PM - Re: A small setback (Craig Payne)
33. 03:15 PM - Re: Searching for the cure, Ethanol (Dennis Shoup)
34. 03:30 PM - Re: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly (Aerolitellc@aol.com)
35. 04:20 PM - Re: 601XL for rent (LHusky@aol.com)
36. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: N5SL - another flight video (NYTerminat@aol.com)
37. 05:54 PM - Re: (CH-701) Anyone else have edge distance issues with 7F3-3SP? (txpilot)
38. 06:12 PM - 701 Avionics Cooling (txpilot)
39. 07:01 PM - Re: N5SL - another flight video (cookwithgas)
40. 07:02 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (MacDonald Doug)
41. 07:54 PM - Overtrimmed airleron (ashontz)
42. 07:55 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (NYTerminat@aol.com)
43. 10:02 PM - Re: Overtrimmed airleron (xl)
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| Subject: | Re: prepunched wing skins on XL |
I will not say that Zenith cannot make mistakes, but when I ran into issues where
pre-punched holes did not line up, I eventually traced them back to errors
on my part.
Good Luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Any comments on how effective the cabin heat is working?
Thanks for sharing,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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| Subject: | Recent Fatalities in NC |
Sad accidents the past few days. 6 fatalities near Mt Airy, NC and one
near Elkin, NC in RV-4. Write up in Mt Airy news paper.
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Dave:
The cabin heat is working 100% as designed. Since I didn't install any cabin heat,
Ron is has freezing toes while flying. I did my best to seal up the firewall
but I still have the slits for nose-wheel steering contributing to the cold.
Ron bundles up pretty good and he loves to fly so the toe-freezing is just
part of it.
I'm working on an idea or two to add cabin-heat and will post results when I try
them out.
One big change I'm making is the pitch of the horiz. Stabilizer. It was difficult
to determine level since there is not a flat surface on the horizontal stabilizer
so mine must have been installed a little front high. I have lowered the
front bracket attach points and that helped. Now I have the rear attach brackets
re-made with some lift in the back so the stabilizer will be tilted a bit
further than it is now. This should allow hands-off approach with full flaps
and also little to no trim in level flight. That is the goal anyway.
Thanks,
Scott Laughlin
Omaha, Nebraska
601XL/Corvair
Finished & Flying
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Fatalities in NC |
For those of us who don't have access to the local paper, it would have been nice
to have a link to some additional information regarding the planes involved,
and the circumstances that caused the fatalities.
Bob
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| Subject: | rainy day, good for tinkering on parts |
I have to admit, I don't always read the daily digest,
but when I do, it seems like the normal ebb and flow
of excitement and controversy. Congratulations to
those with newly flying airplanes, and encouraging
vibes to the rest still plugging away at construction.
We're still working on one wing. One, we're trying for
one. We got the top skin of the right wing clecoed to
the skeleton yesterday. Wasn't there something on
television? Last night, we slowly flipped the wing
over, and placed the bottom skin on. I'm glad so much
is pre-drilled and cut, but the tie-down ring slot is
on the outboard side of the number 9 rear rib, instead
of on the inboard side, creating a minor issue with
the tie-down ring. DH talked to Zenith today. I did
place number 9 rr correctly, with the flanges
outboard, but seeing as the slot isn't on the webbing
side, I've been advised to trade that rib with the
left wing, so I don't have to cut a new tie-down slot.
If the holes I already drilled in the top flange of
the rib don't line up with the holes in the left
wing's top skin, I'll get a new rib.
We didn't manage to order all the stuff necessary to
close a wing when we ordered the wing kit ages ago, so
very recently got the fuel system, and I'm saving for
the controls kit. I thought about just ordering the
controls parts needed to close the wings, but started
adding up the costs of the individual pieces in the
controls kit, and stopped when the number on my
calculator exceeded the cost of the whole kit.
In the meantime of not having a flying Z-Plane
ourselves, we're transitioning to a rental 601 at
Maury Regional Airport. Yes, Tennessee and upper
Alabama, there is a Zenith for rent near us!!! After
flying it a few times, neither of us are ready yet to
take it up without the instructor. The little beast
just flat takes some getting used to. We keep going
back to Cessnas to reassure ourselves we haven't
completely lost our minds, or abilities. It's a fun
airplane, just different from the Cessnas we're used
to. I've got a few close up photos on my photobucket
of the nose gear and reinforcement extrusion angle
added inside the fuselage after a particularly hard
landing. The main gear transmits a fair amount of
stress up the fuselage skin, so Zenith provided
extrusion angle to put inside the fuselage where the
side skin meets the belly skin above the gear channel.
We're going to reinforce our airplane the same way.
Everyone is welcome to have a look:
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/Ruby18823/
I would definately recommend spending some money to
get some quality seat time in the rental 601.
It's still raining and I hear aluminum in the basement
calling my name.
Jennifer, somewhere south of Nashville, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Fatalities in NC |
Do a Google search on "fatalities near Mt Airy, NC,"
Several links come up.
On Feb 4, 2008, at 10:57 AM, stepinwolf wrote:
> >
>
> For those of us who don't have access to the local paper, it would
> have been nice to have a link to some additional information
> regarding the planes involved, and the circumstances that caused the
> fatalities.
>
> Bob
>
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Scott, why aren't you flying? Hope to see you at SnF, Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: cookwithgas <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 5:42 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: N5SL - another flight video
Guys:
I posted this to the Corvair list already so apologies for those that have to
see it twice.
It is toe-freezing cold up here in Nebraska today. This morning my test pilot
brought along his youngest son to the airport for our Saturday-fly-off session
for N5SL. I shot some video of Ron taking off and landing. His son was pretty
excited about seeing it all.
Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJ34SSATJ8
or
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/February_2nd_Flight.wmv
Scott (It's cold up here) Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Bill:
I have a few more hours of flight training before getting my sport pilot ticket.
Four to be exact. I passed the written test and built an airplane, now I just
need to be legal in the airplane for a CFI to finish my lessons. 23 hours
more to go for phase I - The plan is to finish them off in February, then finish
lessons and do my check ride in March.
Guess how hard it will be to schedule my airplane for a lesson compared to one
of those $#%!@#$$ rentals. Oh, and did I mention I get to pick my CFI instead
of getting whatever loser commercial pilot wannabe that is in line for the next
lesson to build his hours at my expense? I had two of those start training
me only to let me know they would be leaving me to work on their "twin-engine"
hours toward the demise some other poor guys checking account balance. After
the second one I decided to wait for my airplane.
The above paragraph is my experience only and may not reflect the character of
all commercial pilot wannabe losers.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Fatalities in NC |
While we all grieve when another airplane has a fatal crash, the crash of a King
Air 90A is hardly the stuff for this list.? IMHO.
Cheers,
Bob Archibald
CH601XL/Lyc/Dynon
Dragonfly Aviation
-----Original Message-----
From: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Sent: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 7:57 am
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Recent Fatalities in NC
For those of us who don't have access to the local paper, it would have been
nice to have a link to some additional information regarding the planes
involved, and the circumstances that caused the fatalities.
Bob
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For anyone in the North Georgia area, The Flight School of Gwinnett,
Lawrenceville Airport, outside of Atlanta, has a 601XL for rent.
Thanks,
Billy Stewart
601XL / Corvair
Tail and left wing done
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| Subject: | Re: prepunched wing skins on XL |
With some help from a "nice lister" we found the problem the top skin fit
fine but after some help studying the plans we discovered ZAC drilled the rivet
holes for the bottom skin along the main spar 40 mm from the last rib rivet
hole instead of 35 mm per the plans that puts the rivet holes all along the main
spar right at the bend tangent of the spar angle which I cannot accept. I'll
see what they will do and go from there. David
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I want to take a moment and say "Thanks!" to all who
responded to my antenna dilemma.
I think all is well, now.
Thanks, again!
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: rainy day, good for tinkering on parts |
Could you provide information on the rental 601 in Tenn.? Jerry of Ga.
In a message dated 2/4/2008 11:17:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
finesse152@yahoo.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jennifer Moorhouse <finesse152@yahoo.com>
I have to admit, I don't always read the daily digest,
but when I do, it seems like the normal ebb and flow
of excitement and controversy. Congratulations to
those with newly flying airplanes, and encouraging
vibes to the rest still plugging away at construction.
We're still working on one wing. One, we're trying for
one. We got the top skin of the right wing clecoed to
the skeleton yesterday. Wasn't there something on
television? Last night, we slowly flipped the wing
over, and placed the bottom skin on. I'm glad so much
is pre-drilled and cut, but the tie-down ring slot is
on the outboard side of the number 9 rear rib, instead
of on the inboard side, creating a minor issue with
the tie-down ring. DH talked to Zenith today. I did
place number 9 rr correctly, with the flanges
outboard, but seeing as the slot isn't on the webbing
side, I've been advised to trade that rib with the
left wing, so I don't have to cut a new tie-down slot.
If the holes I already drilled in the top flange of
the rib don't line up with the holes in the left
wing's top skin, I'll get a new rib.
We didn't manage to order all the stuff necessary to
close a wing when we ordered the wing kit ages ago, so
very recently got the fuel system, and I'm saving for
the controls kit. I thought about just ordering the
controls parts needed to close the wings, but started
adding up the costs of the individual pieces in the
controls kit, and stopped when the number on my
calculator exceeded the cost of the whole kit.
In the meantime of not having a flying Z-Plane
ourselves, we're transitioning to a rental 601 at
Maury Regional Airport. Yes, Tennessee and upper
Alabama, there is a Zenith for rent near us!!! After
flying it a few times, neither of us are ready yet to
take it up without the instructor. The little beast
just flat takes some getting used to. We keep going
back to Cessnas to reassure ourselves we haven't
completely lost our minds, or abilities. It's a fun
airplane, just different from the Cessnas we're used
to. I've got a few close up photos on my photobucket
of the nose gear and reinforcement extrusion angle
added inside the fuselage after a particularly hard
landing. The main gear transmits a fair amount of
stress up the fuselage skin, so Zenith provided
extrusion angle to put inside the fuselage where the
side skin meets the belly skin above the gear channel.
We're going to reinforce our airplane the same way.
Everyone is welcome to have a look:
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/Ruby18823/
I would definately recommend spending some money to
get some quality seat time in the rental 601.
It's still raining and I hear aluminum in the basement
calling my name.
Jennifer, somewhere south of Nashville, TN
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Scot, this is really sad. I'm also working on my SP certificate, at a
school that specializes in SP. At the school I go to, most of the
instructors and most of the students have gray hair, or none, and the
instructors are mostly folks that have retired from one form or another
of professional flying. It's a nice group of experienced instructors
who do it for a little extra money, but mainly so they can keep flying.
The bad bit is that it's a two hour drive each way to get there, but
worth the trouble in my opinion. If anyone is interested I'll recommend
the place: Chesapeake Sport Pilot at Bay Bridge Airport, Stevensville,
MD. They currently have 4 planes, and are adding 2 more, all used
almost exclusively for SP.
I sure hope you have better luck with your next instructor,
Ron
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
From: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM>
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
Bill:
I have a few more hours of flight training before getting my sport pilot
ticket. Four to be exact. I passed the written test and built an
airplane, now I just need to be legal in the airplane for a CFI to
finish my lessons. 23 hours more to go for phase I - The plan is to
finish them off in February, then finish lessons and do my check ride in
March.
Guess how hard it will be to schedule my airplane for a lesson compared
to one of those $#%!@#$$ rentals. Oh, and did I mention I get to pick my
CFI instead of getting whatever loser commercial pilot wannabe that is
in line for the next lesson to build his hours at my expense? I had two
of those start training me only to let me know they would be leaving me
to work on their "twin-engine" hours toward the demise some other poor
guys checking account balance. After the second one I decided to wait
for my airplane.
The above paragraph is my experience only and may not reflect the
character of all commercial pilot wannabe losers.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162343#162343
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
No that make sense Scott. I was gonna ask that same question.
I had one of those as my first instructor, I was getting ready to fire him when
he told me he had a job out of state. The next two or three instructors had
gray hair. Having several different instructors has made me a better pilot.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors |
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
I get to pick my CFI instead of getting whatever loser commercial pilot wannabe
that is
in line for the next lesson to build his hours at my expense? I had two
of those start training me only to let me know they would be leaving me
to work on their "twin-engine" hours toward the demise some other poor
guys checking account balance.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
And exactly how would you propose to build YOUR hours towards a career
as a professional pilot? There are plenty of idiot /jackass instructors
out there BTW, some with gray hair and some with pimples.
A beginning airline pilot these days lives at or below the national
poverty line, they have to eat 20 cent "ramen" soup for dinner half the
time, they bunk three or four to an apartment, and they are worked like
farm animals for something like a three year probation period. But
unlike the guy pouring your coffee at Starbucks (who likely makes more
than a new hire airline pilot I'm told), the airline pilot carries the
responsibility for an airplane full of people, and is under unbelievable
pressure from all sides.
Anyone who is THAT dedicated to flying should be worthy of some extra
respect from you, while he is working for $10-15 an hour giving flight
instruction... on his way up to those lofty heights of being an "airline
pilot" who has to shop at the discount store for day-old bread and
select from the 99 cent "value menu" at McDonald's.
A person who tries to make himself feel better by making someone else
feel like a loser, is not a winner.
Feel free to tell me to ($%@ off if you like, believe me I can take it.
But you owe that kid at the flight school an apology.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
While you guys are on the subject of instruction.
I'm currently scratch building a 701 and do not have a ticket of any
kind(had a glider cert a long time ago). My question is after completion is
there a way to train in my own plane. How can I work off the 25-40 hrs
flight time without a cert. My 1st thought was a loose interpretation of the
regs that stated no one else unless essential to the flight. Since I would
have to have a CFI to do the training he would be essential. But have since
learned this is not possible. It seems the only way around it is to have
some one fly off the 40 then start training.
Are there any other suggestions and is there anyone in the DFW area that
would consider working with me in this venture i.e. flying the hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:35 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
>
> No that make sense Scott. I was gonna ask that same question.
>
> I had one of those as my first instructor, I was getting ready to fire him
> when he told me he had a job out of state. The next two or three
> instructors had gray hair. Having several different instructors has made
> me a better pilot.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162377#162377
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors |
Just because someone is struggling and starving to become a commercial pilot
doesn't make them a good CFI. Which is what Scott is looking for.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
I get to pick my CFI instead of getting whatever loser commercial pilot
wannabe that is
in line for the next lesson to build his hours at my expense? I had two
of those start training me only to let me know they would be leaving me
to work on their "twin-engine" hours toward the demise some other poor
guys checking account balance.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
And exactly how would you propose to build YOUR hours towards a career
as a professional pilot? There are plenty of idiot /jackass instructors
out there BTW, some with gray hair and some with pimples.
A beginning airline pilot these days lives at or below the national
poverty line, they have to eat 20 cent "ramen" soup for dinner half the
time, they bunk three or four to an apartment, and they are worked like
farm animals for something like a three year probation period. But
unlike the guy pouring your coffee at Starbucks (who likely makes more
than a new hire airline pilot I'm told), the airline pilot carries the
responsibility for an airplane full of people, and is under unbelievable
pressure from all sides.
Anyone who is THAT dedicated to flying should be worthy of some extra
respect from you, while he is working for $10-15 an hour giving flight
instruction... on his way up to those lofty heights of being an "airline
pilot" who has to shop at the discount store for day-old bread and
select from the 99 cent "value menu" at McDonald's.
A person who tries to make himself feel better by making someone else
feel like a loser, is not a winner.
Feel free to tell me to ($%@ off if you like, believe me I can take it.
But you owe that kid at the flight school an apology.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
I'd be glad to fly off the hours for you but I'm not near there. I know
a guy in San Antonio who might do it for you but you would have to bring
the airplane there for a couple of weekends. If this would be acceptable
to you I'll contact the guy and see if he's interested. e-mail me
offline if you want.
Bill
John Short wrote:
> <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
>
> While you guys are on the subject of instruction.
>
> I'm currently scratch building a 701 and do not have a ticket of any
> kind(had a glider cert a long time ago). My question is after
> completion is there a way to train in my own plane. How can I work off
> the 25-40 hrs flight time without a cert. My 1st thought was a loose
> interpretation of the regs that stated no one else unless essential to
> the flight. Since I would have to have a CFI to do the training he
> would be essential. But have since learned this is not possible. It
> seems the only way around it is to have some one fly off the 40 then
> start training.
>
> Are there any other suggestions and is there anyone in the DFW area
> that would consider working with me in this venture i.e. flying the
> hours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:35 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
>
>
>>
>> No that make sense Scott. I was gonna ask that same question.
>>
>> I had one of those as my first instructor, I was getting ready to
>> fire him when he told me he had a job out of state. The next two or
>> three instructors had gray hair. Having several different instructors
>> has made me a better pilot.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> --------
>> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162377#162377
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
As I was told by the local Faa office is that you can train in your own
experimental and LSA.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Short" <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
> <creativesigns@embarqmail.com>
>
> While you guys are on the subject of instruction.
>
> I'm currently scratch building a 701 and do not have a ticket of any
> kind(had a glider cert a long time ago). My question is after completion
> is there a way to train in my own plane. How can I work off the 25-40 hrs
> flight time without a cert. My 1st thought was a loose interpretation of
> the regs that stated no one else unless essential to the flight. Since I
> would have to have a CFI to do the training he would be essential. But
> have since learned this is not possible. It seems the only way around it
> is to have some one fly off the 40 then start training.
>
> Are there any other suggestions and is there anyone in the DFW area that
> would consider working with me in this venture i.e. flying the hours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:35 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
>
>
>>
>> No that make sense Scott. I was gonna ask that same question.
>>
>> I had one of those as my first instructor, I was getting ready to fire
>> him when he told me he had a job out of state. The next two or three
>> instructors had gray hair. Having several different instructors has made
>> me a better pilot.
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> --------
>> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
>> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162377#162377
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL / Young Flight Instructors |
Nah Bill. I don't owe him an apology. I gave him $1,000 and ended up with lots
of excuses, runarounds and expensive ground school time which was useless.
This guy drove an old Honda Civic that was leaking fuel. Mind you there was a
baby seat in the back since he was a new dad. I noticed the fuel smell on our
first encounter. I crawled up under there (something that he had never thought
to do) and noticed it was a fuel filter rubber hose that would set him back
about $10 and a little of his time. I don't think he fancied the idea of getting
his polo shirt smudged.
This was the first day and he hadn't dipped into my $1,000 check yet. After that
there were trips to the airport by me where I didn't find his leaky Honda and
I'd get a call with an excuse why he couldn't make it. Then there were the
days he informed me the airplane wasn't available after I had already arrived
and he went over some flying pearls of wisdom in general conversation then he
later charged me a half hour of ground school time for.
After about two months of this I checked his car again. Baby seat still in the
back and drip, drip fuel on the gravel at the airstrip. I offered to fix the
leak for him if he would just bring the new filter and hose to our next meeting.
The few times he was able to show up after I had already arrived, he never
had seemed to find the time to purchase the fuel filter or hose.
Don't get me started Bill. After this guy ditched me (his car is still leaking
gas as far as I know if it hasn't burned to the ground), I got another guy who
was just as unprofessional and completely uninterested in teaching me to fly.
He would baby sit from the left seat but there was always some kind of excuse
why his time was way more valuable than mine and how he couldn't wait to move
up to his twin engine training. Then, after this second guy ditched me, just
when I was getting close to completing my hours the school closed down because
the owner wanted to change careers. He did offer to sell me a share of the
pitiful airplane that I had been training in at a very high price. I guess
he never heard me when I told him I was building an airplane!
After all this I received a bill for another several hundred dollars for ground
school, etc. I paid it and decided to wait till the 40 hours were flown off
my airplane.
It is no wonder the number of pilots is dropping every year.
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
John:
Are you an EAA member? If so, make sure you attend your local EAA chapter meetings.
I'm willing to bet there are several guys who would love to fly your 40
hours for you. I am very fortunate to have a great EAA chapter (EAA Chapter
80) where there are plenty of guys willing to fly off my hours. I'm even luckier
to have Ron Gawer put so much effort into the testing process.
I don't know how far you are in the building process but the closer you get to
the finish line, the interest level will grow. A lot of people start building
airplanes and don't get very far. Most of the EAA members know this and many
have projects they started years ago and didn't get very far. Stick with it
and earn some credibility and you will have more help than you can use. The FAA
inspection process was the most difficult for me since I didn't know what to
expect. The EAA chapter guys were a god-send when it came time to get everything
together and dot my i's and cross my t's.
Make sure you follow the rules and don't allow two people in the airplane until
you have completed your phase I testing and completed the documentation. You
can train in your own aircraft. It will be a great experience.
Keep building,
Scott Laughlin
airplane builder loser
finished & flying
www.cooknwithgas.com
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL for rent |
For those of you that are in western Michigan, Tulip City Airport in Holland Michigan
also has a 601XL on their flight line and also gives flight instruction
in Light Sport.
If you are in southwestern lower Michigan, Destination Flight offers a Technam
Bravo Light Sport (high wing) and also flight instruction. The Owner/Instructor
is also a Designated Light Sport Pilot Examiner for the FAA. They are located
in Three Rivers Michigan. These are really nice people and great instructors
to work with. Give Robin or Mark a call......tell them Larry H sent you.
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| Subject: | #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly |
It's almost ready.
_http://aeroliteproducts.com/601XL.html_
(http://aeroliteproducts.com/601XL.html)
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
John we just had this thread. No you can't get away with that loose interpretation
unless your instructor is a moron and doesn't mind having his certificates
pulled.
As Scott said join your local EAA chapter. I'm sure you can find someone or many
someones that would be willing to help you fly off the hours.
John75142 wrote:
> While you guys are on the subject of instruction.
>
> I'm currently scratch building a 701 and do not have a ticket of any
> kind(had a glider cert a long time ago). My question is after completion is
> there a way to train in my own plane. How can I work off the 25-40 hrs
> flight time without a cert. My 1st thought was a loose interpretation of the
> regs that stated no one else unless essential to the flight. Since I would
> have to have a CFI to do the training he would be essential. But have since
> learned this is not possible. It seems the only way around it is to have
> some one fly off the 40 then start training.
>
> Are there any other suggestions and is there anyone in the DFW area that
> would consider working with me in this venture i.e. flying the hours.
>
>
> ---
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly |
You might want to put the wings on first. :)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Aerolitellc(at)aol.com wrote:
> It's almost ready.
>
> http://aeroliteproducts.com/601XL.html (http://aeroliteproducts.com/601XL.html)
>
> Jeff
>
>
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
As I understand it, when flying an experimental aircraft, you don't
actually need to be rated for that category of aircraft unless you are
carrying passengers. For instance, a pilot with an airplane rating can
fly his experimental gyroplane legally without a gyroplane rating on
his certificate. The FAA will only require the gyroplane rating if you
are carrying passengers. So if you had a private pilot glider rating
in the past, that certificate never expires. You just need to get
current in gliders again and get a BFR and then you might be legal to
fly off the phase I time on your airplane. I may be completely wrong
on this point, so don't take my word on it, and I certainly wouldn't
recommend that a very low time pilot perform the first test flights on
a newly built airplane.
Realistically, you should hire someone to fly at least the first few
hours on your airplane to make sure that there are no critical
problems with it. At that point, you may be able to get enough
training hours to get signed off to solo in a similar aircraft on your
light sport student certificate. Then you should definitely be legal
to fly off the rest of your phase I hours as long as you keep the solo
endorsement current. As I recall from my private pilot training, a
solo endorsement is good for 90 days then you need a new endorsement.
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:01 PM, John Short wrote:
> >
>
> While you guys are on the subject of instruction.
>
> I'm currently scratch building a 701 and do not have a ticket of any
> kind(had a glider cert a long time ago). My question is after
> completion is there a way to train in my own plane. How can I work
> off the 25-40 hrs flight time without a cert. My 1st thought was a
> loose interpretation of the regs that stated no one else unless
> essential to the flight. Since I would have to have a CFI to do the
> training he would be essential. But have since learned this is not
> possible. It seems the only way around it is to have some one fly
> off the 40 then start training.
>
> Are there any other suggestions and is there anyone in the DFW area
> that would consider working with me in this venture i.e. flying the
> hours.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:35 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: N5SL - another flight video
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL for rent |
A quick Google shows they have a web sight.
http://www.theflightschool.com/
bssailor(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> For anyone in the North Georgia area, The Flight School of Gwinnett, Lawrenceville
Airport, outside of Atlanta, has a 601XL for rent.
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL for rent |
Does anyone know of one out west around Portland, Oregon?
Darrell Haas
601XL
On 2/4/08, Larry H <skyridersbn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> For those of you that are in western Michigan, Tulip City Airport in Holland
> Michigan also has a 601XL on their flight line and also gives flight
> instruction in Light Sport.
>
> If you are in southwestern lower Michigan, Destination Flight offers a
> Technam Bravo Light Sport (high wing) and also flight instruction. The
> Owner/Instructor is also a Designated Light Sport Pilot Examiner for the
> FAA. They are located in Three Rivers Michigan. These are really nice
> people and great instructors to work with. Give Robin or Mark a
> call......tell them Larry H sent you.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
>
>
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| Subject: | #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly |
So Jeff, what do you do with all the planes you are building? By your own
count you have built or are building four:
(from a message sent on Jan 10th)
1 601xl flying W/Corvair
1 601xl going to paint tomorrow W/Corvair
1 601xl ready for turtle deck Corvair built ready to install
1 601xl on order Corvair being built
Do you convert them under the fat ultralight clause and sell them? Even
with the extension that loophole seems to be closing. Otherwise it would
seem you are violating the 51% rule.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Aerolitellc@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly
It's almost ready.
http://aeroliteproducts.com/601XL.html
Jeff
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(from http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-01-31_vandals.asp)
"Connell said that members had planned to gather at the clubhouse and clean
up the building this coming weekend, but they were informed that the U.S.
Department of Homeland Security wants to check out the incident, as it
happened at an airport."
I feel safer all ready :-)
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim McBurney
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: A small setback
Greetings, all,
I was dealt a small setback to my CH-801 project Monday morning. See
attached link for the newspaper writup on it.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/013008/met_185460.shtml
I think the reporter did me a big favor writing it as she did. They didn't
post the photo of the plane, but it was on page 1, above the fold! Email me
if you want to see it.
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: Searching for the cure, Ethanol |
Looks like the best (only?) answer may be 100LL.
Dennis
On Feb 3, 2008 12:19 PM, Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net> wrote:
> The EAA and AOPA keep pushing state legislatures to exempt premium
> gasoline from the laws requiring ethanol so that at least some gasoline will
> be available for use in applications that won't tolerate alcohol. This
> effort is helped by the fact that airplanes aren't the
> only application where alcohol can't be used. Many types of watercraft can't
> use alcohol contaminated gas either due to their fiberglass fuel tanks and
> other parts of the fuel system that won't tolerate alcohol. A lot of older
> lawn and garden equipment and farm implements weren't designed for alcohol
> either. We should have those industries on our side as well. Then there's
> the fact that very few people use premium gas in their cars, which should
> help minimize any objections to this idea. If the watercraft industry can
> convince the governments to exempt marine gasoline, you might be able to get
> your aircraft fuel from the local marina. If these efforts fail, the only
> alternative might be to burn avgas and possibly use a lead scavenger. This
> might be the issue that drives a demand for the new 82UL avgas. The EAA
> spent a great deal of effort pushing for the creation of 82UL but it doesn't
> seem to be available anywhere yet.
> If you want to burn alcohol fuel in your airplane, design the thing to run
> on E85 and use that. Otherwise, make an effort to find and use straight
> gasoline. Mixing small amounts of alcohol in gasoline is just a bad idea.
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> There have many excellent messages about the perils and use of Ethanol
> in our aircraft but so far, all we've talked about is the problems. I don't
> see Ethanol going away, the problem is just going to get worse. As the
> owner of both a certified and experimental planes, I would like some advice
> from the experts as to how we can cope with it.
>
> The Ellison carb seems to be one solution for carbonation. Would a fuel
> pump and vapor return lines take care of vapor lock? One gentleman suggests
> a diesel engine is the solution. Not too many options here. Gaskets and
> o-rings of different materials should be easy to solve. Reduction in power
> and range is simple, pilot education. For certified aircraft, STC's will
> be expensive but a must. FAA may have to rethink some of their regs to help
> solve this but I'll bet the experimental society will get their first.
>
> Who has the answers?
>
> Bob, Wichita
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL,
> RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
> do not archive.
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: #18 (Hopefully) Corvair 601xl soon to fly |
# 1 and 2 were builder assist # 3 is Aerolites test plane and #4 on order is
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL for rent |
Darrell,
I would love to find one near Portland also, but I think the closest one to
us is down in Northern California. It is a nice XL with an O-235 in it. If
you find something closer to us, let me know.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
N667H Reserved
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Scott,
How does it work with your insurance company? Are you listed as a pilot? Was
it hard to secure insurance?
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 2/4/2008 5:18:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "cookwithgas" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
John:
Are you an EAA member? If so, make sure you attend your local EAA chapter
meetings. I'm willing to bet there are several guys who would love to fly
your 40 hours for you. I am very fortunate to have a great EAA chapter (EAA
Chapter 80) where there are plenty of guys willing to fly off my hours. I'm
even luckier to have Ron Gawer put so much effort into the testing process.
I don't know how far you are in the building process but the closer you get
to the finish line, the interest level will grow. A lot of people start
building airplanes and don't get very far. Most of the EAA members know this
and
many have projects they started years ago and didn't get very far. Stick
with it and earn some credibility and you will have more help than you can use.
The FAA inspection process was the most difficult for me since I didn't
know what to expect. The EAA chapter guys were a god-send when it came time to
get everything together and dot my i's and cross my t's.
Make sure you follow the rules and don't allow two people in the airplane
until you have completed your phase I testing and completed the documentation.
You can train in your own aircraft. It will be a great experience.
Keep building,
Scott Laughlin
airplane builder loser
finished & flying
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| Subject: | Re: (CH-701) Anyone else have edge distance issues with 7F3-3SP? |
I had the same issue with my kit. I know they try to reduce the aircraft weight
to an absolute minimum, but IMHO it would be nice if pieces such as this gusset
had a few more millimeters to ensure proper edge distance.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
90% complete, 90% to go
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| Subject: | 701 Avionics Cooling |
701 builders:
What plans (if any) does everyone have for avionics cooling? I'm trying to toss
a couple ideas around. I'm wondering if installing a NACA scoop on the side
skin with ducting would be a good idea. Another thought is to install a microfan
from Radio Shack on the top skin to draw air from behind the instrument panel
up to the windshield.
Also, I'm wondering how effective the snap vents in the side windows will be for
'people cooling'. If they're not that good in the Texas heat, maybe the NACA
scoop for both avionics cooling and eyeball vents would work. What's everyone
else doing?
Thanks for the input.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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| Subject: | Re: N5SL - another flight video |
Bob if you need a contact or phone numbers let me know off line and I'll give you
some information on insurance agents I contacted.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Avionics Cooling |
Hi Dan, personally, I'm not too worried about the
avionics cooling on my plane. That's because I
haven't gotten too carried away with extras. Also
I've purchased a pair of the RV-10 back seat vents
that I am going to install in the sides just below the
panel.
This should provide plenty of cooling for pilots and
the avionics.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- txpilot <djg7@comcast.net> wrote:
> <djg7@comcast.net>
>
> 701 builders:
>
> What plans (if any) does everyone have for avionics
> cooling? I'm trying to toss a couple ideas around.
> I'm wondering if installing a NACA scoop on the side
> skin with ducting would be a good idea. Another
> thought is to install a microfan from Radio Shack on
> the top skin to draw air from behind the instrument
> panel up to the windshield.
>
> Also, I'm wondering how effective the snap vents in
> the side windows will be for 'people cooling'. If
> they're not that good in the Texas heat, maybe the
> NACA scoop for both avionics cooling and eyeball
> vents would work. What's everyone else doing?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Dan Ginty
>
> N787DG
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| Subject: | Overtrimmed airleron |
I overtrimmed my right aileron on the outside. I don't know what I was thinking,
just not watching the plans. Instead of following the angled line on the very
tip so that it would meet up with the wing edge I trimmed it straight at the
front of the aileron where the tip rib meets the hinge.
The mess up basically only cut off about a 1/2 inch of the very front edge of the
outside tip of the aileron, so instead of a angled line that meets the wing
rear edge it's now a stright line that meets the rear of the wing about 1/2 inch
in.
I'm thinking it's probably ok and the angled cut on the hinge itself will make
it barely noticable. Any ideas? I'm thinking this is probably not critical, only
aestetic.
--------
Andy Shontz
CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Avionics Cooling |
Dan,
No avionics cooling and the snap vents work fine.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/912S/140hrs
In a message dated 2/4/2008 10:03:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dougsnash@yahoo.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Hi Dan, personally, I'm not too worried about the
avionics cooling on my plane. That's because I
haven't gotten too carried away with extras. Also
I've purchased a pair of the RV-10 back seat vents
that I am going to install in the sides just below the
panel.
This should provide plenty of cooling for pilots and
the avionics.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- txpilot <djg7@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "txpilot"
> <djg7@comcast.net>
>
> 701 builders:
>
> What plans (if any) does everyone have for avionics
> cooling? I'm trying to toss a couple ideas around.
> I'm wondering if installing a NACA scoop on the side
> skin with ducting would be a good idea. Another
> thought is to install a microfan from Radio Shack on
> the top skin to draw air from behind the instrument
> panel up to the windshield.
>
> Also, I'm wondering how effective the snap vents in
> the side windows will be for 'people cooling'. If
> they're not that good in the Texas heat, maybe the
> NACA scoop for both avionics cooling and eyeball
> vents would work. What's everyone else doing?
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Dan Ginty
>
> N787DG
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| Subject: | Re: Overtrimmed airleron |
I did the same thing.
For aestetics, I included a trim piece.
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/polishing2.jpg
Can you tell?
Joe E @ BFI
N633Z, 504 hours
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop
http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, ashontz wrote:
> I overtrimmed my right aileron on the outside. I don't know what I was
> thinking, just not watching the plans. Instead of following the angled
> line on the very tip so that it would meet up with the wing edge I
> trimmed it straight at the front of the aileron where the tip rib meets
> the hinge.
>
> The mess up basically only cut off about a 1/2 inch of the very front
> edge of the outside tip of the aileron, so instead of a angled line that
> meets the wing rear edge it's now a stright line that meets the rear of
> the wing about 1/2 inch in.
>
> I'm thinking it's probably ok and the angled cut on the hinge itself
> will make it barely noticable. Any ideas? I'm thinking this is probably
> not critical, only aestetic.
> Andy Shontz
> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> do not archive
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