---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/06/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:26 AM - Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation (chris Sinfield) 2. 02:20 AM - Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation (GLJSOJ1) 3. 02:34 AM - Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation (geather) 4. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation (Juan Vega) 5. 05:21 AM - Re: Overtrimmed airleron (ashontz) 6. 05:49 AM - 601 hds parts needed (Bill Flick) 7. 07:32 AM - Re: 601 hds parts needed (LarryMcFarland) 8. 08:55 AM - Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 (ZodieRocket) 9. 10:05 AM - Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation (DaveG601XL) 10. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Overtrimmed airleron (xl) 11. 01:13 PM - Horiz Stab Connection (Jaybannist@cs.com) 12. 01:58 PM - Rudder nose skin void (Jaybannist@cs.com) 13. 02:00 PM - Re: Horiz Stab Connection (GLJSOJ1) 14. 02:18 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (txpilot) 15. 02:19 PM - Re: Horiz Stab Connection (Juan Vega) 16. 02:23 PM - Re: Horiz Stab Connection (Bryan Martin) 17. 02:42 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (Gig Giacona) 18. 04:06 PM - Re: Rudder nose skin void (Larry H) 19. 04:40 PM - Re: Rudder nose skin void (LarryMcFarland) 20. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (THOMAS SMALL) 21. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (John Marzulli) 22. 05:55 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (Tim Juhl) 23. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (NYTerminat@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation From: "chris Sinfield" I guess there must be a lot of XL's flying without Aileron Balance cables installed? I just what to get it right before I turn my Fuse side into swiss cheese. Have those who have done this put the side hole up against the seat back or parallel to the middle balance fairlead hole. Chris Do Not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162646#162646 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:24 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation From: "GLJSOJ1" Hi Chris I am not up and flying yet, but I have got the fairleads installed. The reason the fuselage holes are where they are is to run the cables through the holes in the ribs to the bell crank, and the reason the balance fairlead is close up against the seat back is you need to have the cable clear 6B-17-1 which supports the control torque tube. So yes, you need to have the cable angled to clear everything . I found that there is a lot of "stuff" all crossing just behind the seats. -------- 601XL N676L reserved ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162649#162649 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation From: "geather" Chris This is how its done on the Quick Build Kit Geoff Eather (Mt Hutton) -------- ge Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162651#162651 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0121_174.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:02 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation follow the plans exactly when drilling thhe holes in the fuselage. you can install the balance fairld, after the wings are on and the other cables have been run through the plane. you will be able to see clearly once everything else is in place when to put the balance fairlead. Just folow the prints. the plans show very well where to drill. -----Original Message----- >From: chris Sinfield >Sent: Feb 6, 2008 4:17 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation > > >I guess there must be a lot of XL's flying without Aileron Balance cables installed? > >I just what to get it right before I turn my Fuse side into swiss cheese. > >Have those who have done this put the side hole up against the seat back or parallel to the middle balance fairlead hole. > >Chris > >Do Not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162646#162646 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Overtrimmed airleron From: "ashontz" Ron Lendon wrote: > Can you cut the hinge at the correct angle? Yeah, I was going to do that, just wondering if anyone else made this same mistake and how they made it look ok. I doubt that little angle on the end is providing much strength. It'll just look a little funny unless I come up with a way to make it not look like an imbalanced mistake. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162661#162661 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:27 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 hds parts needed need cowl and mt for subaru into 601 hds and also seat belts. thanks bill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:32 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 hds parts needed What kind of Subaru do you have Bill? Is it an EA81 by Stratus, or RAM or basic block to be converted or what? The type and conversion are needed to provide you a best answer. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive Bill Flick wrote: > need cowl and mt for subaru into 601 hds and also seat belts. thanks > bill > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:38 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 Last year was the largest event ever ! In the first week of registration I had over 80 people signed up, Sun-N-Fun 2007 was the Biggest Zenith event ever !! With over 200 people in attendence Welcome to the 2008 BBQ sign up, Please take the time to visit HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org and HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com for the sign up sheet. This will be for your name tag and will be your ticket for the cooks to provide you with a great dinner. Plus this event is getting very large and I need an idea on how much food to buy so that we feed everyone and don't run out! Lets make it bigger this year, I have more give a ways, the first 50 people with a pre-registered name badge will receive a gift. Limit one per family please. Thanks cdngoose Don=92t Miss Sun-N-Fun 2008 Thursday April 10th 2008 2/6/2008 9:13 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Aileron balance cable instalation From: "DaveG601XL" Chris, I am not flying yet either, but I have had the wings on and all control cables attached. I drilled my aileron fairlead holes per the drawing 6-B-22 dated 02/05. The balance cable hole ended up not being as close to 6-B-5 as shown on the drawing so I did elongate my hole a bit to move the cable further forward. I probably could have left it as originally cut. Here is a picture of the right side without the side skin fairleads in place. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail & wings completed and fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162713#162713 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_244_160.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:24 PM PST US From: xl Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Overtrimmed airleron I made the same mistake on both ailerons. I didn't see the mistake until I fit ailerons to the wings. I took a piece of scrap wide enough to get a rivet in on each side. No one has noticed the patch until I point it out. (or they've been polite) The fix is not very noticable. In the polishing2.jpg the line is barely visible just to the right of the first rivet. The patch appears to be the width of the rivet head, but it is ~1/2". I think that the mistake would be more noticable withou the patch. It's easier to see a gap in the edge than a line in the hinge. It's the only picture that I can find that shows the patch. I see if my camera still works, if it does I'll get a closeup. On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, ashontz wrote: > > Good to know I'm not the only one. LOL. Did you cut the other one the > same say to make it 'even' and add a trim piece to that too? > > Do you have a better picture? I can't really see the fix. > > Thanks > > > xl(at)prosody.org wrote: >> I did the same thing. >> For aestetics, I included a trim piece. >> http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/polishing2.jpg >> Can you tell? >> >> Joe E @ BFI >> N633Z, 504 hours >> Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop >> http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ >> >> >> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, ashontz wrote: >>> I overtrimmed my right aileron on the outside. I don't know what I was >>> thinking, just not watching the plans. Instead of following the angled >>> line on the very tip so that it would meet up with the wing edge I >>> trimmed it straight at the front of the aileron where the tip rib meets >>> the hinge. >>> >>> The mess up basically only cut off about a 1/2 inch of the very front >>> edge of the outside tip of the aileron, so instead of a angled line that >>> meets the wing rear edge it's now a stright line that meets the rear of >>> the wing about 1/2 inch in. >>> >>> I'm thinking it's probably ok and the angled cut on the hinge itself >>> will make it barely noticable. Any ideas? I'm thinking this is probably >>> not critical, only aestetic. >>> Andy Shontz >>> CH601XL - Corvair >>> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz >>> do not archive >> > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162495#162495 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:42 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Horiz Stab Connection I am in the process of final assembly of my 601XL. This morning, I installed the horizontal stabilizer. I have all four bolts in place and the nuts on the two rear bolts. The two forward bolts go through the vertical mounting angles on the stab. The inboard leg of that angle blocks direct access to the bolt ends where the nuts must go. The hole between the fuselage skin and the mounting bracket is too small to get access to the nut. Any helpful hints on getting those nuts installed? Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser" ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:52 PM PST US From: Jaybannist@cs.com Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder nose skin void Several weeks ago, there was a string about filling the void at the bottom of the rudder nose skin. My fiberglass rudder saddle fairing slips under the rear top fuselage skin. With the rudder in place, I found that I needed to shove the saddle to the rear, into that rudder void in order to get the saddle far enough rearward to slip under the fuselage skin. If I had filled that void, I would have to remove the rudder to get the saddle in place. This is just a "watch out" for those yet to reach this place in the assembly. Your situation may be different, but look ahead! Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:57 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Horiz Stab Connection From: "GLJSOJ1" Hi Jay I mounted my stab bolts from the inside, I put them in with a socket and a long extension, which is slender enough to slip between the stab and fuselage sides from the opposite side. Then put the washer and nut on the outside. This way I was able to get the bolt in and well as monitor the nut with a easy visual inspection. I usually get the wife to help me so there are two sets of eyes. -------- 601XL N676L reserved ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162742#162742 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling From: "txpilot" Thanks to all who replied. Good point regarding the moisture. I've decided a small computer fan in the top skin would be in order. Even though it's solid state avionics, the KX155 instruction manuals emphasize some type of cooling system is required. I figure a $20 fan from Radio Shack could probably save me the cost of radio repairs later. Thanks again, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162744#162744 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:17 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Horiz Stab Connection use a magnetic pen and a drop of RTV to hold the bolt. I preferred the nut out ward scen so that I can monitor on inspection. -----Original Message----- >From: Jaybannist@cs.com >Sent: Feb 6, 2008 4:10 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Horiz Stab Connection > > >I am in the process of final assembly of my 601XL. This morning, I installed the horizontal stabilizer. I have all four bolts in place and the nuts on the two rear bolts. The two forward bolts go through the vertical mounting angles on the stab. The inboard leg of that angle blocks direct access to the bolt ends where the nuts must go. The hole between the fuselage skin and the mounting bracket is too small to get access to the nut. Any helpful hints on getting those nuts installed? > >Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser" > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:07 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Horiz Stab Connection I also installed the bolts with the heads on the inside so the nuts could be installed on the outside. It makes it easier to torque and inspect the nuts. I did the same thing with the rear wing bolts. On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > I am in the process of final assembly of my 601XL. This morning, I > installed the horizontal stabilizer. I have all four bolts in place > and the nuts on the two rear bolts. The two forward bolts go > through the vertical mounting angles on the stab. The inboard leg > of that angle blocks direct access to the bolt ends where the nuts > must go. The hole between the fuselage skin and the mounting > bracket is too small to get access to the nut. Any helpful hints on > getting those nuts installed? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:56 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling From: "Gig Giacona" And it will act as defogger. txpilot wrote: > Thanks to all who replied. Good point regarding the moisture. > > I've decided a small computer fan in the top skin would be in order. Even though it's solid state avionics, the KX155 instruction manuals emphasize some type of cooling system is required. I figure a $20 fan from Radio Shack could probably save me the cost of radio repairs later. > > Thanks again, > > Dan Ginty -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162749#162749 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:03 PM PST US From: Larry H Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder nose skin void That's WHY I built it without questioning the plans. There are usually reasons WHY we are supposed to build according to the print. This is most likely ONE OF THOSE REASONS. I would say once I've built a half dozen of airplanes and started designing them, then I might question it. Another thought on building with extra additions is the weight factor. If you want to stay within the Light Sport class, an extra pound here and a pound there DOES add up quickly. LH --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:47 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder nose skin void You're very correct Jay, about getting the piece rearward enough to fit under the rear fuselage skin. I closed the rudder base and left approximately 5mm clearance to get a proper fit. It does help to spread the saddle when going rearward in light contact with the rudder. This will give you the distance needed to clear the front saddle edge. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/ruddernose.gif http://www.macsmachine.com/images/rudder/full/rudderfairing.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Jaybannist@cs.com wrote: > > Several weeks ago, there was a string about filling the void at the bottom of the rudder nose skin. My fiberglass rudder saddle fairing slips under the rear top fuselage skin. With the rudder in place, I found that I needed to shove the saddle to the rear, into that rudder void in order to get the saddle far enough rearward to slip under the fuselage skin. If I had filled that void, I would have to remove the rudder to get the saddle in place. > > This is just a "watch out" for those yet to reach this place in the assembly. Your situation may be different, but look ahead! > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Lil Bruiser" > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:03 PM PST US From: "THOMAS SMALL" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling > I've decided a small computer fan in the top skin would be in order. ...and you have no fear that the magnets in the fan will affect the compass? do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:30 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling The system could use a remote mounter compass that is away from interference. DO NOT ARCHIVE On Feb 6, 2008 5:11 PM, THOMAS SMALL wrote: > > > > I've decided a small computer fan in the top skin would be in order. > > ...and you have no fear that the magnets in the fan will affect the > compass? > > do not archive > > -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling From: "Tim Juhl" Had a KX155 in my 172 for 20+ years, another in my 182 for the 7 years I owned it... both were part of really full stacks of radios and neither had any kind of cooling. In the 172 there was a tube type Mark 12 sitting above it. I never had problems with either installation. One if the reasons they used to recommend cooling was the fact that radios were mounted one on top of the other so there was a cumulative heat effect. The 172 had a 4 x 4 inch opening (with a grill) above the stack area that would allow rising heat to escape. You might consider that for your radios if you are concerned. I'm going to install a couple of muffin fans forward of the instrument panel to blow air on the canopy as a defogger. I supposed they could function to draw heat out from behind the panel but I really don't think that will be much of a problem. Tim do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162767#162767 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:02 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling Dan, If you are going ahead with a cooling fan, why not buy a real avionics cooling fan that has the correct size port to fit your avionics? You find them on E-Bay at reasonable prices/bids. Bob Spudis In a message dated 2/6/2008 5:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djg7@comcast.net writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: "txpilot" Thanks to all who replied. Good point regarding the moisture. I've decided a small computer fan in the top skin would be in order. Even though it's solid state avionics, the KX155 instruction manuals emphasize some type of cooling system is required. I figure a $20 fan from Radio Shack could probably save me the cost of radio repairs later. Thanks again, Dan Ginty **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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