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1. 05:27 AM - Re: Overtrimmed airleron (ashontz)
2. 06:25 AM - 701 STOLvair update (Scott Thatcher)
3. 06:25 AM - 701 STOLvair update (Scott Thatcher)
4. 06:50 AM - Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (Ryan Vechinski)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (Bryan Martin)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (Doug Eatman)
7. 12:27 PM - Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (ashontz)
8. 12:44 PM - Re: A small setback (ashontz)
9. 12:49 PM - Re: A small setback (ashontz)
10. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: A small setback (ROBERT SCEPPA)
11. 02:04 PM - Re: A small setback (stepinwolf)
12. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: A small setback (LHusky@aol.com)
13. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: A small setback (Elwood140@aol.com)
14. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: A small setback (John Short)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: A small setback (stepinwolf)
16. 05:53 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 (Juan Vega)
17. 07:04 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 (James Sagerser)
18. 09:15 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (txpilot)
19. 09:58 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (Matt Ronics)
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| Subject: | Re: Overtrimmed airleron |
Thanks, I appreciate it. I'd like to see you're handywork up close.
xl(at)prosody.org wrote:
> I made the same mistake on both ailerons.
> I didn't see the mistake until I fit ailerons to the wings.
> I took a piece of scrap wide enough to get a rivet in on
> each side. No one has noticed the patch until I point it out.
> (or they've been polite)
>
> The fix is not very noticable. In the polishing2.jpg the line
> is barely visible just to the right of the first rivet. The
> patch appears to be the width of the rivet head, but it is ~1/2".
> I think that the mistake would be more noticable withou the patch.
> It's easier to see a gap in the edge than a line in the hinge.
>
> It's the only picture that I can find that shows the patch.
> I see if my camera still works, if it does I'll get a closeup.
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, ashontz wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good to know I'm not the only one. LOL. Did you cut the other one the
> > same say to make it 'even' and add a trim piece to that too?
> >
> > Do you have a better picture? I can't really see the fix.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > xl(at)prosody.org wrote:
> > > I did the same thing.
> > > For aestetics, I included a trim piece.
> > > http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/polishing2.jpg
> > > Can you tell?
> > >
> > > Joe E @ BFI
> > > N633Z, 504 hours
> > > Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x49 wood prop
> > > http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, ashontz wrote:
> > >> I overtrimmed my right aileron on the outside. I don't know what I was
> > >> thinking, just not watching the plans. Instead of following the angled
> > >> line on the very tip so that it would meet up with the wing edge I
> > >> trimmed it straight at the front of the aileron where the tip rib meets
> > >> the hinge.
> > >>
> > >> The mess up basically only cut off about a 1/2 inch of the very front
> > >> edge of the outside tip of the aileron, so instead of a angled line that
> > >> meets the wing rear edge it's now a stright line that meets the rear of
> > >> the wing about 1/2 inch in.
> > >>
> > >> I'm thinking it's probably ok and the angled cut on the hinge itself
> > >> will make it barely noticable. Any ideas? I'm thinking this is probably
> > >> not critical, only aestetic.
> > >> Andy Shontz
> > >> CH601XL - Corvair
> > >> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> > >> do not archive
> > >
> >
> >
> > --------
> > Andy Shontz
> > CH601XL - Corvair
> > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162495#162495
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | 701 STOLvair update |
<<There are 4 flights on the Corvair powered 701 since its first flight
on
Feb. 2nd.>> See balance of comments below and at
http://flywithgus.com/page4.html
Congratulations Gus!
I also want to take the opportunity to mention here that Gus provided
extremely helpful support to me by traveling down to Palm Beach Gardens
and
helping me install the engine, cowling, electrical, fit the wings and
cut
the canopy for my 601XL. If it weren't for his expert advise and
skills, I would have
never been able to complete this project before the deadline of January
31,
2008 (at that time the imposed deadline was for E-LSA type
aircraft--that
requirement has now been extended 2 years if you were able to get it
registered before the Jan 31 deadline). He would continue working even
when
I was completely exhausted and just sat staring at what he was doing!
In addition, I am also planning on having Gus do the First Flight
because of
his depth of knowledge of the 601XL and the Corvair engine (an engine
that
was practically hand built by both William Wynne and Kevin Fahy -- thank
you
gentlemen for a really beautiful engine!).
I feel extremely confident in both the aircraft and the engine because
of
the type of people that have been instrumental in helping me get it
completed. I'm looking forward to the first flight around the 15th of
this
month.
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Warren" <list@flywithgus.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: CorvAircraft> 701 STOLvair update.
There are 4 flights on the Corvair powered 701 since its first flight on
Feb. 2nd. All the flying is going well with only a few squawks to take
care of. Real performance numbers will come as quickly as the weather
will allow. For an example, if you look at Massey Ranch, Edgewater FL on
google maps in satellite mode, know that it will be airborne from the
taxiway at the end of 18 before it gets to the displaced threshold, with
me and full fuel. For pics look at http://flywithgus.com/page4.html.
Pics of it flying coming soon.
-Gus
www.flywithgus.com
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| Subject: | 701 STOLvair update |
<<There are 4 flights on the Corvair powered 701 since its first flight
on
Feb. 2nd.>> See balance of comments below and at
http://flywithgus.com/page4.html
Congratulations Gus!
I also want to take the opportunity to mention here that Gus provided
extremely helpful support to me by traveling down to Palm Beach Gardens
and
helping me install the engine, cowling, electrical, fit the wings and
cut
the canopy for my 601XL. If it weren't for his expert advise and
skills, I would have
never been able to complete this project before the deadline of January
31,
2008 (at that time the imposed deadline was for E-LSA type
aircraft--that
requirement has now been extended 2 years if you were able to get it
registered before the Jan 31 deadline). He would continue working even
when
I was completely exhausted and just sat staring at what he was doing!
In addition, I am also planning on having Gus do the First Flight
because of
his depth of knowledge of the 601XL and the Corvair engine (an engine
that
was practically hand built by both William Wynne and Kevin Fahy -- thank
you
gentlemen for a really beautiful engine!).
I feel extremely confident in both the aircraft and the engine because
of
the type of people that have been instrumental in helping me get it
completed. I'm looking forward to the first flight around the 15th of
this
month.
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Warren" <list@flywithgus.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:54 PM
Subject: CorvAircraft> 701 STOLvair update.
There are 4 flights on the Corvair powered 701 since its first flight on
Feb. 2nd. All the flying is going well with only a few squawks to take
care of. Real performance numbers will come as quickly as the weather
will allow. For an example, if you look at Massey Ranch, Edgewater FL on
google maps in satellite mode, know that it will be airborne from the
taxiway at the end of 18 before it gets to the displaced threshold, with
me and full fuel. For pics look at http://flywithgus.com/page4.html.
Pics of it flying coming soon.
-Gus
www.flywithgus.com
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| Subject: | Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper |
Guys and gals, I am scratch building and last night I cut out my spar root
fitting (I don't have the number right in front of me) for my 701. It is 3
/16" 2024 T4 aluminum, and I used an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel to
make the rough cut, and then finished it with a disk sander, and finally a
hand file. Turned out pretty nice if I must say so myself :) However, I'm
now sitting here at work thinking about what I had done last night, and I
am now wondering; could I have heated the bar stock up enough to change the
temper? It never got extremely hot, but it was too hot to hold onto. It
air cooled from that point. I'm not real familiar with the heat treatment
of aluminum, so I thought I would post the question here. Any thoughts, or
am I just being too worried?
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper |
I'm no expert on metallurgy, this is just information I've picked from
my personal research: The "T4" means the metal has been solution heat
treated and then allowed to naturally age harden. The heat treatment
takes place at 300=BA-450=BAC. I don't think you'll effect the strength
of
the metal much unless you heat it above 300=BAC.
A saw blade will generally work better than a grinding wheel for
cutting aluminum. The grinder tends to load up with aluminum, which
slows down the process and generates a lot of heat. A band saw is
ideal but I've found that even a hack saw works better than a grinder
in most cases. Some people say a circular saw with a laminate blade
works well also but a face shield is mandatory equipment.
On Feb 7, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Ryan Vechinski wrote:
> Guys and gals, I am scratch building and last night I cut out my
> spar root fitting (I don't have the number right in front of me) for
> my 701. It is 3/16" 2024 T4 aluminum, and I used an angle grinder
> with a cut-off wheel to make the rough cut, and then finished it
> with a disk sander, and finally a hand file. Turned out pretty nice
> if I must say so myself :) However, I'm now sitting here at work
> thinking about what I had done last night, and I am now wondering;
> could I have heated the bar stock up enough to change the temper?
> It never got extremely hot, but it was too hot to hold onto. It air
> cooled from that point. I'm not real familiar with the heat
> treatment of aluminum, so I thought I would post the question here.
> Any thoughts, or am I just being too worried?
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper |
Hi Ryan,
Don't worry, you didn't hurt the 2024.
It is common practice at Delta TechOps and Northrop Grumman to trim aluminum parts
on-wing with a die grinder and thin cutoff wheel then final trim with a 90
degree die grinder and 50 then 120 grit sanding disk. I'm sure it is done elsewhere
in industry. Even in this CNC era, a lot of jets have "trim to fit" in
the drawing notes.
At Delta, it was normal to leave aluminum fittings on composite parts that were
being repaired with a hotbonder at 350F for several hours, as long as the fitting
was not directly under the repair. 300F was considered a safe cutoff for
the aluminum part. For metalbond repairs, 2024T3 is directly heated to 200F
for several hours to cure the film adhesive.
Happy Building,
Doug E.
601XL TD Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper |
A metal cutting blade in a jigsaw works really well. I have a horizontal/vertical
bandsaw and I still wind up using the jigsaw all the time.
[quote="brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM"]Guys and gals, I am scratch building and?last
night I cut out my spar root fitting (I don't have the number right in front
of me) for my 701. It is 3/16" 2024 T4 aluminum, and I used an angle grinder
with a cut-off wheel to make the rough cut, and then finished it with a disk sander,
and finally a hand file. Turned out pretty nice if I must say so myself
:) However, I'm now sitting here at work thinking about what I had done last
night, and I am now wondering; could I have heated the bar stock up enough to
change the temper? It never got extremely hot, but it was too hot to hold onto.
It air cooled from that point. I'm not real familiar with the heat treatment
of aluminum, so I thought I would post the question here. Any thoughts,
or am I just being too worried?
> [b]
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CH601XL - Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
With younth like this, something tells me we're in for some sort of culling of
the herd. These types are nothing but useless cannon fodder no one would ever
miss.
Where's George Carlin's "Slugfest" when you need it?
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CH601XL - Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
Me too. Same great day late and a dollar short cops; half the freedom.
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> (from http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-01-31_vandals.asp)
>
> "Connell said that members had planned to gather at the clubhouse and clean
> up the building this coming weekend, but they were informed that the U.S.
> Department of Homeland Security wants to check out the incident, as it
> happened at an airport."
>
> I feel safer all ready :-)
>
> -- Craig
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
> Sorry to hear about the vandals doing that kind of
> damage to your chapter home. It does show that the
> police aren't too concerned about the bad people
> here in this freedom loving country of ours. If the
> perpatraitors are caught I'll bet the ACLU would
> defend them, saying they were abused as children..
> Good luck anyway hope you do find them. EAA people
> are the best and we will stand behind you...Bob S.
> Do not archive..
--- ashontz <ashontz@nbme.org> wrote:
> <ashontz@nbme.org>
>
> Me too. Same great day late and a dollar short cops;
> half the freedom.
>
>
> craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> > (from
> http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-01-31_vandals.asp)
> >
> > "Connell said that members had planned to gather
> at the clubhouse and clean
> > up the building this coming weekend, but they were
> informed that the U.S.
> > Department of Homeland Security wants to check out
> the incident, as it
> > happened at an airport."
> >
> > I feel safer all ready :-)
> >
> > -- Craig
> >
> > --
>
>
> --------
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> CH601XL - Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/ashontz
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
There is only one way to eliminate this type of problem in the future, but this
List is not the proper place to comment further.
Had this happened to me, I would have tried to handle it personally, rather then
going to the cops, where nothing is going to be done about it anyway.
Good luck
Bob the 701 scratch.
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
In a message dated 2/7/2008 1:37:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rjscep@yahoo.com writes:
It does show that the
> police aren't too concerned about the bad people
> here in this freedom loving country of ours
BOB S,
Well, as a police officer, I DO care about the people in my community. To
say all police do not care, is like saying that all cars get great gas mileage
and all airplanes fly the same. I go out and risk my life every day to try
and prevent things such as this, even if I may not like the person or their
lifestyle, I still try. I take it you belong to a neighbor hood watch team
and you have 0% crime in your neighborhood. Maybe I can borrow your superman
shirt sometime.
Officer Larry Husky
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
Officer Husky, Well said. BRAVO!
Larry Wood
701 almost done
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In a message dated 2/7/2008 4:49:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
LHusky@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 2/7/2008 1:37:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rjscep@yahoo.com writes:
It does show that the
> police aren't too concerned about the bad people
> here in this freedom loving country of ours
BOB S,
Well, as a police officer, I DO care about the people in my community. To
say all police do not care, is like saying that all cars get great gas mileage
and all airplanes fly the same. I go out and risk my life every day to try
and prevent things such as this, even if I may not like the person or their
lifestyle, I still try. I take it you belong to a neighbor hood watch team
and you have 0% crime in your neighborhood. Maybe I can borrow your superman
shirt sometime.
Officer Larry Husky
"Proudly Serving Even You"
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
There are good cops and bad cops just like every other walk of life.
That being said I don't think this is the place for this discussion,
unless there are some cops that have sprouted wings I did not hear
about.
----- Original Message -----
From: LHusky@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: A small setback
In a message dated 2/7/2008 1:37:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rjscep@yahoo.com writes:
It does show that the
> police aren't too concerned about the bad people
> here in this freedom loving country of ours
BOB S,
Well, as a police officer, I DO care about the people in my community.
To say all police do not care, is like saying that all cars get great
gas mileage and all airplanes fly the same. I go out and risk my life
every day to try and prevent things such as this, even if I may not like
the person or their lifestyle, I still try. I take it you belong to a
neighbor hood watch team and you have 0% crime in your neighborhood.
Maybe I can borrow your superman shirt sometime.
Officer Larry Husky
"Proudly Serving Even You"
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| Subject: | Re: A small setback |
I feel compelled to respond, so I will end my discussion, and thread with the
following.
Officer Husky,
It was not my intention to insinuate that you, or any of our other " finest " were
not doing everything possible, to get their jobs as best as they could. Simply,
that there is so much serious, rampant, crime going on these days, ( check
CNN, another half dozen shot today ) that sadly this type of crime could definitely
not be one of the top priorities.
That being said, even if the guilty party was found, and turned out to be an underage
juvenile, the worst he can expect to get is a slap on the wrist anyway.
I bet that would put a stop to these pranks of his, yeah what ever !
As for my Superman shirt, you can borrow it anytime, I'm too old, and weak to wear
it anyway
and to you Larry, as for your slap on Officers Husky's back, I don't think he really
needed it, and neither did I.
You both have my best regards
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 |
back to building planes...
I put the David Navone Noise Supressor circuit on My Becker radio and to my suprise,
I still have radio noise. I have surmised it is ignition noise probably
from the spark plugs or the cables. Has any one had noise in the radio due to
ignition noise and did you get insulated cables? Any thoughts ladies?
Juan Vega , Jabiru 3300 601 xl
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>From: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>Sent: Feb 6, 2008 11:50 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08
>
>Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08
>
>Last year was the largest event ever !
>In the first week of registration I had over 80 people signed up,
>Sun-N-Fun 2007 was the Biggest Zenith event ever !! With over 200 people
>in attendence
>
>Welcome to the 2008 BBQ sign up, Please take the time to visit HYPERLINK
>"http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org and HYPERLINK
>"http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com for the sign up sheet. This will
>be for your name tag and will be your ticket for the cooks to provide
>you with a great dinner. Plus this event is getting very large and I
>need an idea on how much food to buy so that we feed everyone and don't
>run out! Lets make it bigger this year, I have more give a ways, the
>first 50 people with a pre-registered name badge will receive a gift.
>Limit one per family please.
>Thanks cdngoose
>
>Dont Miss Sun-N-Fun 2008 Thursday April 10th 2008
>
>2/6/2008 9:13 AM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 |
Am sorry to hear it didn't work for you. The noise filter totally
cured my noise problem. If I would have thought about it, I would
have had you try your radio with a separate motorcycle battery like I
did to affirm the noise was coming thru my power line. Your noise
must be coming from an "airborne" source. I didn't have any noise
when i used the MC battery so new it was coming thru the power
line. Jim
On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Juan Vega wrote:
> <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>
> back to building planes...
> I put the David Navone Noise Supressor circuit on My Becker radio
> and to my suprise, I still have radio noise. I have surmised it is
> ignition noise probably from the spark plugs or the cables. Has
> any one had noise in the radio due to ignition noise and did you
> get insulated cables? Any thoughts ladies?
>
> Juan Vega , Jabiru 3300 601 xl
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>> Sent: Feb 6, 2008 11:50 AM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08
>>
>> Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08
>>
>> Last year was the largest event ever !
>> In the first week of registration I had over 80 people signed up,
>> Sun-N-Fun 2007 was the Biggest Zenith event ever !! With over 200
>> people
>> in attendence
>>
>> Welcome to the 2008 BBQ sign up, Please take the time to visit
>> HYPERLINK
>> "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org and HYPERLINK
>> "http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com for the sign up sheet. This
>> will
>> be for your name tag and will be your ticket for the cooks to provide
>> you with a great dinner. Plus this event is getting very large and I
>> need an idea on how much food to buy so that we feed everyone and
>> don't
>> run out! Lets make it bigger this year, I have more give a ways, the
>> first 50 people with a pre-registered name badge will receive a gift.
>> Limit one per family please.
>> Thanks cdngoose
>>
>> Dont Miss Sun-N-Fun 2008 Thursday April 10th 2008
>>
>> 2/6/2008 9:13 AM
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Avionics Cooling |
> Dan,
> If you are going ahead with a cooling fan, why not buy a real avionics cooling
fan that has the correct size port to fit your avionics? You find them on E-Bay
at reasonable prices/bids.
>
I just checked E-bay and the cheapest new is $199. Used fans with questionable
reliability are $35 to $65. A new fan from Radio Shack would be $17.99. 'Nuf
said.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Avionics Cooling |
While I also question the need, an alternative fan that would move a fair amount
of air would be a marine bilge blower fan, had from West Marine for about $30.
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