---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/08/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:56 AM - Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (Ian McClelland) 2. 04:38 AM - "Small setback" question (Zed Smith) 3. 04:58 AM - Re: A small setback (ashontz) 4. 05:59 AM - Rotax alerts (Geoff Heap) 5. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (nyterminat@aol.com) 6. 01:04 PM - Re: 701 Avionics Cooling (n85ae) 7. 01:25 PM - Fw: Fw: Two Stories... (wade jones) 8. 03:22 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: Two Stories... (Craig Payne) 9. 03:58 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 (Juan Vega) 10. 05:47 PM - Re: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper (Christian Tremblay) 11. 06:16 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 (Bryan Martin) 12. 06:22 PM - Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) (Tim Juhl) 13. 07:49 PM - Instruments For Sale (Richard Vetterli) 14. 09:09 PM - Flying today (cookwithgas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:48 AM PST US From: "Ian McClelland" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper I wouldn't take the risk of overheating such a critical part. An angle grinder spinning at 12,000 RPM could possible generate enough heat to cause problems. There is only a 5 deg tolerance when this metal is heat treated. Would have to look up the temps - its around 400 Deg F I think. If this is exceeded it can have a dramatic effect on its metallic state and of course mechanical properties. Ian McClelland 601XL Working on Fuselage. 8:57 p.m. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:17 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith-List: "Small setback" question do not archive List, I've apparently missed some of the later posts regarding the trashing of aircraft. Without starting a flame war, can somebody relate events since the damage? Has there been any movement toward actually indentifying the poor misguided entertainment-deprived individuals involved? Regards to all, Zed/701/R912/90+%/etc ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: A small setback From: "ashontz" One thing that was never answered, why were these a-holes targeting productive people. This has nothing to do with homeland security and a lot more to do with unproductive losers with nothing better to do with their time, although I would suggest they look into George Carlin's Slugfest or maybe volunteering for a local chain-gang to rebuilt America's crumbling infrastructure. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162971#162971 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax alerts From: "Geoff Heap" I am registered with Rotax for E-mail alerts and recieved the following this morning. I recommend that Rotax owners subscibe to this free service. Dear ROAN subscriber, this week the factory authorized Rotax Owners Assistance Network (ROAN) released its first in a series of on line e-learning video modules. This first four chapter release covers the correct procedures for carburetor tuning and synchronization for the popular Rotax 912 & 914 series Aircraft Engines. Identifying that the correct tuning and synchronization of the Bing dual CV carburetors has been a critical factor in overall engine longevity and reliability, this first on line e-learning video removes a lot of the mystery and misconceptions regarding this important task. Additional e-learning modules covering the entire context of Service and Maintenance for the Rotax 912/914 series engines will also be made available in the near future. For more information and to view free this on line e-learning video please go to the official Rotax Factory Authorized Information-Education-Support web site at www.Rotax-Owner.com Help us help other Rotax Engine owners! Tell them of these valuable ROAN services and advise them to register to www.Rotax-Owner.com today for free e-mail Alert of critical to safety Rotax Service Information as released by the factory, expanded video instructions and on line e-learning videos. Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162978#162978 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling From: nyterminat@aol.com Dan, I bought a new 3 port cooling fan in box with hose and connections of E-Bay for $67.00. The deals are out there if you look. I plan on using this for my GlaStar. Bob > Dan, > If you are going ahead with a cooling fan, why not buy a real avionics cooling fan that has the correct size port to fit your avionics? You find them on E-Bay at reasonable prices/bids. > I just checked E-bay and the cheapest new is $199. Used fans with questionable reliability are $35 to $65. A new fan from Radio Shack would be $17.99. 'Nuf said. Dan -----Original Message----- From: txpilot Sent: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:11 am Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling > Dan, > If you are going ahead with a cooling fan, why not buy a real avionics cooling fan that has the correct size port to fit your avionics? You find them on E-Bay at reasonable prices/bids. > I just checked E-bay and the cheapest new is $199. Used fans with questionable reliability are $35 to $65. A new fan from Radio Shack would be $17.99. 'Nuf said. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162940#162940 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 701 Avionics Cooling From: "n85ae" By a 2-3 port fan. They aren't that expensive and they keep the air moving. Remember just because somebody else didn't melt a radio yet, doesn't mean it won't happen to you. The cost to have my KX-155 fixed when it broke was enough to pay for a fan several times over ... Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163051#163051 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:07 PM PST US From: "wade jones" Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Fw: Two Stories... Hello group ,these two short stories are worth reading . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Humphrey Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Two Stories... Robert Kessler wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:44:57 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Kessler Subject: Fwd: Fw: Two Stories... To: Bob Kessler Note: forwarded message attached.From: "Jim C" To: "Bob Kessler" , "Mike Botkin" , "VANESSA BALKE CUNNINGHAM" Subject: Fw: Two Stories... Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:13:54 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Cunningham To: 'Jim and Vanessa Cunningham' Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: FW: Two Stories... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Escobar, Shawna Walker (Houston) [mailto:sescobar@resources-usa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: FW: Two Stories... Wow!!! I had no idea! STORY NUMBER ONE Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't famous for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder. Capone had a lawyer nicknamed 'Easy Eddie.' He was Capone's lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time. To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money big, but also, Eddie got special dividends. For instance, he and his family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire Chicago City block. Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration to the atrocity that went on around him. Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly. Eddie saw to it that his young son had clothes, cars, and a good education. Nothing was withheld. Price was no object. And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was. Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name or a good example. One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to rectify wrongs he had done. He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al 'Scarface' Capone, clean up his tarni s hed name, and offer his son some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified. Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely Chicago Street But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he had to offer, at the greatest price he could ever pay. Police removed from his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped from a magazine. The poem read: 'The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop at late or early hour. Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will. Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still. STORY NUMBER TWO World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the South Pacific. One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne, he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top off his fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his ship. His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet. As he was returning to the mother ship he saw something that turned his blood cold: a squadron of Japanese aircraft was speeding its way toward the American fleet. The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but defenseless He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger. There was only one thing to do He must somehow divert them from the fleet. Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of Japanese planes. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in, attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out of the now-broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until all his ammunition was finally spent. Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible and rendering them unfit to fly. Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction. Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the carrier. Upon arrival, he reported in and related the event surrounding his return. The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had, in fact, destroyed five enemy aircraft. This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the Congressional Medal of Honor. A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29. His hometown would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today, O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great man. So, the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give some thought to visiting Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2. SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER? Butch O'Hare was 'Easy Eddie's' son. This message and any attached documents contain information from the professional services firm of Resources Global Professionals, or its subsidiaries, that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:42 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fw: Fw: Two Stories... Sotra true: http://www.snopes.com/glurge/ohare.asp -- Craig Do not archive From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wade jones Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Fw: Fw: Two Stories... Hello group ,these two short stories are worth reading . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Humphrey Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Two Stories... Robert Kessler wrote: From: Robert Kessler Subject: Fwd: Fw: Two Stories... Note: forwarded message attached.From: "Jim C" "Mike Botkin" , "VANESSA BALKE CUNNINGHAM" Subject: Fw: Two Stories... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Cunningham Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: FW: Two Stories... _____ From: Escobar, Shawna Walker (Houston) [mailto:sescobar@resources-usa.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: FW: Two Stories... Wow!!! I had no idea! STORY NUMBER ONE Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't famous for anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in everything from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder. Capone had a lawyer nicknamed 'Easy Eddie.' He was Capone's lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time. To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money big, but also, Eddie got special dividends. For instance, he and his family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire Chicago City block. Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little consideration to the atrocity that went on around him. Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly. Eddie saw to it that his young son had clothes, cars, and a good education. Nothing was withheld. Price was no object. And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to teach him right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was. Yet, with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name or a good example. One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to rectify wrongs he had done. He decided he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al 'Scarface' Capone, clean up his tarni s hed name, and offer his son some semblance of integrity. To do this, he would have to testify against The Mob, and he knew that the cost would be great. So, he testified. Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on a lonely Chicago Street But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gift he had to offer, at the greatest price he could ever pay. Police removed from his pockets a rosary, a crucifix, a religious medallion, and a poem clipped from a magazine. The poem read: 'The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop at late or early hour. Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will. Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still. STORY NUMBER TWO World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier Lexington in the South Pacific. One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne, he looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top off his fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and get back to his ship. His flight leader told him to return to the carrier. Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet. As he was returning to the mother ship he saw something that turned his blood cold: a squadron of Japanese aircraft was speeding its way toward the American fleet. The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but defenseless He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching danger. There was only one thing to do He must somehow divert them from the fleet. Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation of Japanese planes. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged in, attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove in and out of the now-broken formation and fired at as many planes as possible until all his ammunition was finally spent. Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible and rendering them unfit to fly. Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another direction. Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to the carrier. Upon arrival, he reported in and related the event surrounding his return. The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had, in fact, destroyed five enemy aircraft. This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the Congressional Medal of Honor. A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29. His hometown would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today, O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this great man. So, the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give some thought to visiting Butch's memorial displaying his statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2. SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER? Butch O'Hare was 'Easy Eddie's' son. This message and any attached documents contain information from the professional services firm of Resources Global Professionals, or its subsidiaries, that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. _____ Never miss a thing. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:56 PM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 James, no bog deal, at least the noise filter is on there now. What I need to find out is how to filter out th spark plug ignition noise. Any thoughts anyone? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: James Sagerser >Sent: Feb 7, 2008 9:59 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 > > >Am sorry to hear it didn't work for you. The noise filter totally >cured my noise problem. If I would have thought about it, I would >have had you try your radio with a separate motorcycle battery like I >did to affirm the noise was coming thru my power line. Your noise >must be coming from an "airborne" source. I didn't have any noise >when i used the MC battery so new it was coming thru the power >line. Jim > >On Feb 7, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Juan Vega wrote: > >> >> >> back to building planes... >> I put the David Navone Noise Supressor circuit on My Becker radio >> and to my suprise, I still have radio noise. I have surmised it is >> ignition noise probably from the spark plugs or the cables. Has >> any one had noise in the radio due to ignition noise and did you >> get insulated cables? Any thoughts ladies? >> >> Juan Vega , Jabiru 3300 601 xl >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ZodieRocket >>> Sent: Feb 6, 2008 11:50 AM >>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 >>> >>> Webmasters Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 >>> >>> Last year was the largest event ever ! >>> In the first week of registration I had over 80 people signed up, >>> Sun-N-Fun 2007 was the Biggest Zenith event ever !! With over 200 >>> people >>> in attendence >>> >>> Welcome to the 2008 BBQ sign up, Please take the time to visit >>> HYPERLINK >>> "http://www.ch601.org/"www.ch601.org and HYPERLINK >>> "http://www.ch701.com/"www.ch701.com for the sign up sheet. This >>> will >>> be for your name tag and will be your ticket for the cooks to provide >>> you with a great dinner. Plus this event is getting very large and I >>> need an idea on how much food to buy so that we feed everyone and >>> don't >>> run out! Lets make it bigger this year, I have more give a ways, the >>> first 50 people with a pre-registered name badge will receive a gift. >>> Limit one per family please. >>> Thanks cdngoose >>> >>> Dont Miss Sun-N-Fun 2008 Thursday April 10th 2008 >>> >>> 2/6/2008 9:13 AM >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:16 PM PST US From: Christian Tremblay Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper Hi Ryan, For myself I cut the flat bar with a band saw (diagonal cuts) and with a circular fix table (transversal cuts), with an soft 56 toot soft metal blade ( waxed with a candle). No heat at all, metal stay cold, I can hold it anytime during the cutting process, by hand with no gloves. The AC-4313-1B from FAA, always recommend (like a general rules) not heat aluminum, in the cutting or sanding process, metal cutting process should always permit to handle it by hand to not alter electrical or mechanical properties. But, cutting aluminum with a band saw requires very long experience with a band saw. This operation could be dangerous and can scraps the flat bar easily. Note : negative impacts for your spar depend on where are located the cut on the bar and the spars. See following pages for more info on the process that used for cutting my spares flat bar. http://www.zodiac640.com/Garage_page.htm/ Christian Tremblay A guy who build a CH640 aircraft from plan http://www.zodiac640.com/ _____ De : owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Ryan Vechinski Envoy=E9 : Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:46 AM =C0 : zenith-list@matronics.com Objet : Zenith-List: Cutting thick aluminum and metal temper Guys and gals, I am scratch building and last night I cut out my spar root fitting (I don't have the number right in front of me) for my 701. It is 3/16" 2024 T4 aluminum, and I used an angle grinder with a cut-off wheel to make the rough cut, and then finished it with a disk sander, and finally a hand file. Turned out pretty nice if I must say so myself :) However, I'm now sitting here at work thinking about what I had done last night, and I am now wondering; could I have heated the bar stock up enough to change the temper? It never got extremely hot, but it was too hot to hold onto. It air cooled from that point. I'm not real familiar with the heat treatment of aluminum, so I thought I would post the question here. Any thoughts, or am I just being too worried? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:36 PM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun-N-Fun BBQ 08 You can try using shielded wires on the magneto leads and grounding the shields. These can be grounded at both ends, they are used to keep noise on these wires from leaking out. Use shielded wires for the audio circuits. Don't use the shield as part of the circuit, use a separate wire for the audio lo line. I used 2 wire shielded cable for my audio output lines (audio hi and audio lo inside a shield) and three wire shielded cable for my microphone lines (audio hi, audio lo and PTT inside a shield). The shields on the audio lines should be grounded on only one end. All of the audio shields should be grounded at a common point, this is usually at the audio panel or intercom panel since all of the audio lines go through there. Use insulating washers to isolate your microphone and headset jacks from ground. The shields on the audio lines are used to keep noise getting into the audio wires. Grounding both ends of the audio shields can create ground loops that can generate noise in the lines. Some components ground the audio lo (common) lines and some don't. If you are using the shield as the audio lo wire between two components that have grounded audio lo lines, you end up with the shield grounded on both ends, which may cause noise problems. Make sure you have good solid connections on your RF coaxial cables. Don't go cheap on the coax connectors, good quality crimp on connectors crimped with the proper tool are worth the price. The shields on the RF cables must be grounded on both ends as they form part of the RF circuit. The comm antenna should be mounted well away from the engine with a good ground plane. On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Juan Vega wrote: > > > > James, > no bog deal, at least the noise filter is on there now. What I need > to find out is how to filter out th spark plug ignition noise. Any > thoughts anyone? > > Juan > >> >> >> Am sorry to hear it didn't work for you. The noise filter totally >> cured my noise problem. If I would have thought about it, I would >> have had you try your radio with a separate motorcycle battery like I >> did to affirm the noise was coming thru my power line. Your noise >> must be coming from an "airborne" source. I didn't have any noise >> when i used the MC battery so new it was coming thru the power >> line. Jim >> >>> >>> >>> back to building planes... >>> I put the David Navone Noise Supressor circuit on My Becker radio >>> and to my suprise, I still have radio noise. I have surmised it is >>> ignition noise probably from the spark plugs or the cables. Has >>> any one had noise in the radio due to ignition noise and did you >>> get insulated cables? Any thoughts ladies? >>> >>> Juan Vega , Jabiru 3300 601 xl >>> >>> -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) From: "Tim Juhl" I have a question for those of you who have installed a Jabiru 3300 using an engine mount supplied by JabiruUSA. I've just started marking the places where I'll need to drill on the firewall and for the fun of it decided to set the engine mount in place and see how it fit. The bottom holes looked pretty good but to get it to fit over where the upper engine mounts are supposed to go requires that the mount be sprung up and out a bit on both fittings. Is this what others have encountered? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163092#163092 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:05 PM PST US From: Richard Vetterli Subject: Zenith-List: Instruments For Sale I bit the bullet and ordered a Dynon D-100, so I have some brand new, in the box steam gauges for sale. Falcon, 3 1/8" 20-160 Airspeed, Spruce #10-02917. Falcon, 3 1/8" VSI, Spruce #10-05205. Falcon, 3 1/8" Altimeter, Spruce #10-04400. Ameri-King Altitude Encoder, Spruce #11-12010. Spruce price for the four is $624.80. I'll sell the entire set for $500.00 (obo) and I'll pay the shipping. E-Mail me off-list if interested. Thanks, Rich Vetterli Pleasanton, CA CH601XL under construction Check out my progress at: www.geocities.com/stixx5a Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:54 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Here is my latest video taken today with a few landings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzg_HAuY_Rg Enjoy, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163119#163119 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.