---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/09/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:42 AM - Re: Flying today (Terry Turnquist) 2. 04:23 AM - Re: Flying today (Juan Vega) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) (Juan Vega) 4. 06:19 AM - Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) (rgeese) 5. 06:20 AM - Re: Flying today (cookwithgas) 6. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) (steve) 7. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Flying today (Larry Winger) 8. 08:31 AM - Re: Flying today (cookwithgas) 9. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Flying today (Juan Vega) 10. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Flying today (Larry Winger) 11. 08:59 AM - Re: Flying today (Juan Vega) 12. 09:00 AM - Re: Flying today (cookwithgas) 13. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Flying today (Bryan Martin) 14. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Flying today (Ron Lalonde) 15. 01:54 PM - Scratch building 701 spars and spar root rivets (Ryan Vechinski) 16. 02:50 PM - Re: Flying today (cookwithgas) 17. 03:04 PM - Re: 701 STOLvair update (NYTerminat@aol.com) 18. 05:41 PM - Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) (Tim Juhl) 19. 05:48 PM - Re: Flying today (ashontz) 20. 07:26 PM - Re: Flying today (cookwithgas) 21. 08:09 PM - Re: Scratch building 701 spars and spar root rivets (MacDonald Doug) 22. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: Flying today (John Smith) 23. 11:37 PM - Moving Sale (Dan Lykowski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:26 AM PST US From: Terry Turnquist Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today Scott, what is your flap setting for landing? Do not archive Terry Turnquist 601XL-Plans Here is my latest video taken today with a few landings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzg_HAuY_Rg Enjoy, Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163119#163119 --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:04 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today scott, I watched you videos a few time, my suggestion is: once over the Chevrons you are flaring too early. Flaring too hard as well. the 601 at final developes a nice cushion under it, so 5 to 8 feet up over the runway, begin to flare, and hold it, a little less than the flare you are holding the wheels will not even sqeek, they will just role. Just a little less falre, thats it. enjoy tyhe plane, my family has. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Terry Turnquist >Sent: Feb 9, 2008 5:36 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today > >Scott, what is your flap setting for landing? > >Do not archive > >Terry Turnquist >601XL-Plans > > >Here is my latest video taken today with a few landings: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzg_HAuY_Rg > >Enjoy, > >Scott Laughlin >www.cooknwithgas.com > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163119#163119 > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:08 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) by how much do you need to bend to get to the holes?, if too much I might send it back or check the measurements between your bolts on the fire wall. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Juhl >Sent: Feb 8, 2008 9:17 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) > > >I have a question for those of you who have installed a Jabiru 3300 using an engine mount supplied by JabiruUSA. > >I've just started marking the places where I'll need to drill on the firewall and for the fun of it decided to set the engine mount in place and see how it fit. The bottom holes looked pretty good but to get it to fit over where the upper engine mounts are supposed to go requires that the mount be sprung up and out a bit on both fittings. Is this what others have encountered? > >Tim > >-------- >______________ >CFII >Champ L16A flying >Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A >Working on fuselage > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163092#163092 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:20 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) From: "rgeese" The latest Jabiru engine installation video put out by HomebuiltHELP discusses this problem. According to the video, it is OK to file out the mounting holes a little to eliminate the spring. According to the video, if the mount doesn't fit the bolts really well, you will have problems installing it with the engine attached to the mount. I have installed the mount, and had to spring it as little bit on the lower end to get it over the mounting bolts. I haven't installed the engine yet. I didn't worry about it until I watched the video. I filed about 1/16" or so off of each of the mounting holes, making them a little oblong. I was amazed at how much difference this little change made when reattaching the mount to the firewall. If you are installing a Jabiru on a 601, I HIGHLY recommend the video. It will take any doubts and concerns away and make you feel comfortable with the installation. It will be money well spent. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163147#163147 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Thanks Juan. That brings up a good point for all those flying 601's that can't trim out with full flaps and need up trim in level flight. Yesterday I installed the new rear brackets I made lifting the rear of the stabilizer. I had previously lowered the front of the horiz. stabilizer with new front brackets and it wasn't enough. Ron (test pilot) noticed a big difference with lowering the front but wanted more so I raised the back because the front was as low as it would go. I estimate I lowered the horiz. stabilizer about three degrees total from what it was. It may have been up a degree or two so don't base that on what you have now. In any case, I think the only way to get the Horiz. Stabilizer right is to fly it, then adjust it. We gained quite a bit of speed with the adjustments so I think it may have been up a little from level. In any case, it gave much more authority while landing and that's why his flares are bigger now. He actually hit the tail on one of the landings and he never came close to doing that before. Notice in the video where Ron comments he is hands off in approach with full flaps. This was not possible before. Now it only needs one notch of trim in level flight where before it was near the top of the indicator. Overall, moving the stabilizer has been a big success. I plan to add another degree in prop pitch from 10 to 11 degrees at the tip and see what that does. Top speed right now is around 120 mph. We started with 85 at wide open throttle. Climb speed now at 90 mph is 500 fpm - also an improvement since moving the horiz. stabilizer and re-pitching the prop. Oil Temps have come down significantly with several changes to the cowl and prop pitch. Thanks again Juan for the suggestions - we will try this when the weather provides another opportunity here (it turned cold and windy today) Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163148#163148 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:21 AM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) As the installation video says "attach the mount to the engine first and then the whole unit to the fuselage". I ve done it both ways and the video is correct.. If you install the mount to the fuselage first and then try to install the engine, its a real pain..... SW 601XL QBK "almost, almost, almost done!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "rgeese" Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) > > The latest Jabiru engine installation video put out by HomebuiltHELP > discusses this problem. According to the video, it is OK to file out the > mounting holes a little to eliminate the spring. According to the video, > if the mount doesn't fit the bolts really well, you will have problems > installing it with the engine attached to the mount. > > I have installed the mount, and had to spring it as little bit on the > lower end to get it over the mounting bolts. I haven't installed the > engine yet. I didn't worry about it until I watched the video. I filed > about 1/16" or so off of each of the mounting holes, making them a little > oblong. I was amazed at how much difference this little change made when > reattaching the mount to the firewall. > > If you are installing a Jabiru on a 601, I HIGHLY recommend the video. It > will take any doubts and concerns away and make you feel comfortable with > the installation. It will be money well spent. > > Ron > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163147#163147 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:17 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today Scott, This is great information. Stuff like this is why I value this list. When you have made your final adjustments, would you be able to post the dimensional changes to the front and rear brackets? What, if anything, has Chris Heintz said about such adjustments? Just curious. Larry Winger Tustin CA 601XL/Corvair Working on fuselage On Feb 9, 2008 6:17 AM, cookwithgas wrote: > > Thanks Juan. That brings up a good point for all those flying 601's that > can't trim out with full flaps and need up trim in level flight. Yesterday > I installed the new rear brackets I made lifting the rear of the stabilizer. > > I had previously lowered the front of the horiz. stabilizer with new front > brackets and it wasn't enough. Ron (test pilot) noticed a big difference > with lowering the front but wanted more so I raised the back because the > front was as low as it would go. I estimate I lowered the horiz. stabilizer > about three degrees total from what it was. It may have been up a degree or > two so don't base that on what you have now. In any case, I think the only > way to get the Horiz. Stabilizer right is to fly it, then adjust it. We > gained quite a bit of speed with the adjustments so I think it may have been > up a little from level. In any case, it gave much more authority while > landing and that's why his flares are bigger now. He actually hit the tail > on one of the landings and he never came close to doing that before. Notice > in the video where Ron comments he is hands off in approach with full flaps. > This was not possible before. Now it only needs one notch of trim in level > flight w! > here before it was near the top of the indicator. > > Overall, moving the stabilizer has been a big success. I plan to add > another degree in prop pitch from 10 to 11 degrees at the tip and see what > that does. Top speed right now is around 120 mph. We started with 85 at > wide open throttle. Climb speed now at 90 mph is 500 fpm - also an > improvement since moving the horiz. stabilizer and re-pitching the prop. > Oil Temps have come down significantly with several changes to the cowl and > prop pitch. > > Thanks again Juan for the suggestions - we will try this when the weather > provides another opportunity here (it turned cold and windy today) > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163148#163148 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Larry: I'm glad it is helpful. I got the idea from a very sharp young lady named Sabrina Pasterski. She contacted me a few years ago from my website when she was just starting on a 601XL and introduced herself. She had her first flight in January also and asked me if I had lowered the front of the elevator as recommended for the heavier engines. I had not thought about this until she mentioned it. It answered a lot of questions so I decided to try it. I think you should do the best you can in construction and installation of the Horiz. Stab, then fly it. The adjustments did not take very long and the results were astonishing. I think it took me less than an hour to build each set of brackets including polishing and priming. I had a small (1' X 1') piece of .063" aluminum left over anyway. This is great fun making small adjustments then recording the results. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163156#163156 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:27 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today cool deal. when you fly with another person in the plane now, because the plane with neurtal setting is trimmed for weight in both seats. The way it sounds like you have it trimmed out now is for just one guy. When i was in test flight faze, i obviously flew by myself and had to hold the stick back abit to trim it for landing speeds. The solution for me was putting my tool box in the back. for a slight tail heavyness. problem solved. when I added 80 lbs in the passenger seat, the trim dynamics changed yet again, no heavy left wing and trimmed out close to neutral, with out the tool box trim adjusted (wink). Anyway, cool deal on the trim , just try our weight in the passenger seat and the luggage area before you change the bolt trim in the elevator. Good Flying. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Winger >Sent: Feb 9, 2008 11:02 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today > >Scott, > >This is great information. Stuff like this is why I value this list. > >When you have made your final adjustments, would you be able to post the >dimensional changes to the front and rear brackets? > >What, if anything, has Chris Heintz said about such adjustments? Just >curious. > >Larry Winger >Tustin CA >601XL/Corvair >Working on fuselage > >On Feb 9, 2008 6:17 AM, cookwithgas wrote: > >> >> Thanks Juan. That brings up a good point for all those flying 601's that >> can't trim out with full flaps and need up trim in level flight. Yesterday >> I installed the new rear brackets I made lifting the rear of the stabilizer. >> >> I had previously lowered the front of the horiz. stabilizer with new front >> brackets and it wasn't enough. Ron (test pilot) noticed a big difference >> with lowering the front but wanted more so I raised the back because the >> front was as low as it would go. I estimate I lowered the horiz. stabilizer >> about three degrees total from what it was. It may have been up a degree or >> two so don't base that on what you have now. In any case, I think the only >> way to get the Horiz. Stabilizer right is to fly it, then adjust it. We >> gained quite a bit of speed with the adjustments so I think it may have been >> up a little from level. In any case, it gave much more authority while >> landing and that's why his flares are bigger now. He actually hit the tail >> on one of the landings and he never came close to doing that before. Notice >> in the video where Ron comments he is hands off in approach with full flaps. >> This was not possible before. Now it only needs one notch of trim in level >> flight w! >> here before it was near the top of the indicator. >> >> Overall, moving the stabilizer has been a big success. I plan to add >> another degree in prop pitch from 10 to 11 degrees at the tip and see what >> that does. Top speed right now is around 120 mph. We started with 85 at >> wide open throttle. Climb speed now at 90 mph is 500 fpm - also an >> improvement since moving the horiz. stabilizer and re-pitching the prop. >> Oil Temps have come down significantly with several changes to the cowl and >> prop pitch. >> >> Thanks again Juan for the suggestions - we will try this when the weather >> provides another opportunity here (it turned cold and windy today) >> >> Scott Laughlin >> www.cooknwithgas.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163148#163148 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:45 AM PST US From: "Larry Winger" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today That makes sense, especially since the time to adjust is so minimal. I have the heavier Corvair also, so I'm guessing I'll be doing the same thing over the next 12 months. Thanks, Larry Do Not Archive On Feb 9, 2008 8:27 AM, cookwithgas wrote: > > Larry: > > I'm glad it is helpful. I got the idea from a very sharp young lady named > Sabrina Pasterski. She contacted me a few years ago from my website when > she was just starting on a 601XL and introduced herself. She had her first > flight in January also and asked me if I had lowered the front of the > elevator as recommended for the heavier engines. I had not thought about > this until she mentioned it. It answered a lot of questions so I decided to > try it. > > I think you should do the best you can in construction and installation of > the Horiz. Stab, then fly it. The adjustments did not take very long and > the results were astonishing. I think it took me less than an hour to build > each set of brackets including polishing and priming. I had a small (1' X > 1') piece of .063" aluminum left over anyway. > > This is great fun making small adjustments then recording the results. > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163156#163156 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:51 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today scott, one thing I have found useful as referance point is looking to left out the cockpit ahead of the wing. the reason is the nose feels high on the 601 at flare, and i lose the refernce on how high I am, so i look to the left of the panel to see when the plane is bout 6 feet up before setting a gentle flare. -----Original Message----- >From: Juan Vega >Sent: Feb 9, 2008 7:19 AM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today > > >scott, >I watched you videos a few time, my suggestion is: > >once over the Chevrons you are flaring too early. >Flaring too hard as well. >the 601 at final developes a nice cushion under it, so 5 to 8 feet up over the runway, begin to flare, and hold it, a little less than the flare you are holding the wheels will not even sqeek, they will just role. Just a little less falre, thats it. > >enjoy tyhe plane, my family has. > >Juan > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Terry Turnquist >>Sent: Feb 9, 2008 5:36 AM >>To: zenith-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Flying today >> >>Scott, what is your flap setting for landing? >> >>Do not archive >> >>Terry Turnquist >>601XL-Plans >> >> >>Here is my latest video taken today with a few landings: >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzg_HAuY_Rg >> >>Enjoy, >> >>Scott Laughlin >>www.cooknwithgas.com >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163119#163119 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Good advice Juan. I saved my old brackets just in case! We have some sand bags ready for that type of testing on the next few flights. I CAN'T wait until the 40 hours is over and I can ride along. I may make Ron start flying from the right seat.... Scott. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163164#163164 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:53 AM PST US From: Bryan Martin Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today I had to make a similar adjustment to my stabilizer after my first flight couple of flights, I couldn't trim out the plane in level flight. I lowered the front brackets about half and inch and that made it possible to trim for anything up to 5 degrees of flaps. I still had to hold up the nose on final approach though. Later, I added an extension to the trim tab that effectively doubled its area (I have the earlier short trim tab between the inner two elevator ribs). I bent the extension at a downward angle so that the tab would effect nose up trim more than nose down. I also added a bungee cord to just balance out the weight of the elevator. Now I can trim for most of the flight envelope. I still can't trim out completely for a no power full flaps approach with a forward CG. There is a mod to interconnect the flaps to the elevator that I may add some day, but it's not a high priority. If I had mounted a Rotax in the nose, the original setup may have worked. Every 601 is unique, minor changes like this are to be expected in order to fine tune each airframe for its unique configuration. I wish I could go flying, I haven't been up since December 20. I've either been out of town or the weather has been lousy. We've gotten more snow and ice in the last month than I've seen in the last several years, and when it wasn't snowing it was raining cats and dogs. This weekend, we've got two more systems coming through, sheesh. On Feb 9, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Larry Winger wrote: > This is great information. Stuff like this is why I value this list. > > When you have made your final adjustments, would you be able to post > the dimensional changes to the front and rear brackets? > > What, if anything, has Chris Heintz said about such adjustments? > Just curious. > > > On Feb 9, 2008 6:17 AM, cookwithgas wrote: > > > > Thanks Juan. That brings up a good point for all those flying 601's > that can't trim out with full flaps and need up trim in level > flight. Yesterday I installed the new rear brackets I made lifting > the rear of the stabilizer. > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. do not archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:14 PM PST US From: Ron Lalonde Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today Hi Scott Those videos are great. Have watched them over and over!! You mention abou t the tail being low, and I noticed that on the last landing of the last vi deo that you had made. Do you have some sort of a "skid plate" there just i n case of it touching...or doe the tie down attachment do the trick? Just w ondering. Keep up the great work, you are truly an inspiration to us folks that are still building. Love the sound of the engine....kinda like a P-51 Mustang dont you think?? Ron Nova Scotia, Canada > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today> From: cookwithgas@HOTMAIL.COM> Da te: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 06:17:42 -0800> To: zenith-list@matronics.com> > --> Ze nith-List message posted by: "cookwithgas" > > Tha nks Juan. That brings up a good point for all those flying 601's that can't trim out with full flaps and need up trim in level flight. Yesterday I ins talled the new rear brackets I made lifting the rear of the stabilizer. > > I had previously lowered the front of the horiz. stabilizer with new front brackets and it wasn't enough. Ron (test pilot) noticed a big difference w ith lowering the front but wanted more so I raised the back because the fro nt was as low as it would go. I estimate I lowered the horiz. stabilizer ab out three degrees total from what it was. It may have been up a degree or t wo so don't base that on what you have now. In any case, I think the only w ay to get the Horiz. Stabilizer right is to fly it, then adjust it. We gain ed quite a bit of speed with the adjustments so I think it may have been up a little from level. In any case, it gave much more authority while landin g and that's why his flares are bigger now. He actually hit the tail on one of the landings and he never came close to doing that before. Notice in th e video where Ron comments he is hands off in approach with full flaps. Thi s was not possible before. Now it only needs one notch of trim in level fli ght w!> here before it was near the top of the indicator.> > Overall, movin g the stabilizer has been a big success. I plan to add another degree in pr op pitch from 10 to 11 degrees at the tip and see what that does. Top speed right now is around 120 mph. We started with 85 at wide open throttle. Cli mb speed now at 90 mph is 500 fpm - also an improvement since moving the ho riz. stabilizer and re-pitching the prop. Oil Temps have come down signific antly with several changes to the cowl and prop pitch. > > Thanks again Jua n for the suggestions - we will try this when the weather provides another opportunity here (it turned cold and windy today)> > Scott Laughlin> www.co oknwithgas.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matro ===================> > > _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:14 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch building 701 spars and spar root rivets To those of you who are scratch building their 701 spars, I've got a questi on concerning the spar root doubler rivets (I believe the p/n is 7V3-2SP). The drawings show that there are rivets in the middle of the doubler (I'm assuming to help hold the doubler to the web), but I cannot find any measur ements to locate these holes! I've got measurements for the holes along ea ch edge of the doubler; just not in the middle. What did everyone else do? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:35 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Ron: Just this in the back: http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_14_04_TailSkid.JPG http://www.cooknwithgas.com/11_11_04_TailSkid.JPG Scott. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163199#163199 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:55 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 STOLvair update Gus, That's really "dropping in" :) That looks like my first landing when I pulled power instead of adding power because I wasn't used to the left hand throttle. I am sure you know by now to keep in some power right to the end or she will drop in. Good luck with the flight testing. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/912S In a message dated 2/7/2008 9:26:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, s_thatcher@bellsouth.net writes: <> See balance of comments below and at _http://flywithgus.com/page4.html_ (http://flywithgus.com/page4.html) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:23 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jabiru Engine Mount (XL) From: "Tim Juhl" Juan, The mounting pads need to be spread about 7mm farther apart. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163219#163219 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "ashontz" Dude, that is friggin' awesome! I can't wait to finish mine. Same design, same engine. That thing looks and sounds like a a real production airplane. Do you have a .wav file of this I can download to keep? cookwithgas wrote: > Here is my latest video taken today with a few landings: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzg_HAuY_Rg > > Enjoy, > > Scott Laughlin > www.cooknwithgas.com -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163220#163220 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today From: "cookwithgas" Andy: Just for you - http://www.cooknwithgas.com/Videos/Feb_8_TO_and_Landings_0001.wmv Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163231#163231 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:09 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch building 701 spars and spar root rivets Ryan, seems to me when I did mine a few months ago, I just spaced them out evenly so that the location matched the jist of the drawings. I think the number of rivets is more important than their exact location Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- Ryan Vechinski wrote: > To those of you who are scratch building their 701 > spars, I've got a question concerning the spar root > doubler rivets (I believe the p/n is 7V3-2SP). The > drawings show that there are rivets in the middle of > the doubler (I'm assuming to help hold the doubler > to the web), but I cannot find any measurements to > locate these holes! I've got measurements for the > holes along each edge of the doubler; just not in > the middle. What did everyone else do? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:24 PM PST US From: John Smith Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Flying today Could you let us know how much down adjustment on the horizontal stabilizer you have at the moment relative the what is called for in Zenith's plans? Larry: I'm glad it is helpful. I got the idea from a very sharp young lady named Sabrina Pasterski. She contacted me a few years ago from my website when she was just starting on a 601XL and introduced herself. She had her first flight in January also and asked me if I had lowered the front of the elevator as recommended for the heavier engines. I had not thought about this until she mentioned it. It answered a lot of questions so I decided to try it. I think you should do the best you can in construction and installation of the Horiz. Stab, then fly it. The adjustments did not take very long and the results were astonishing. I think it took me less than an hour to build each set of brackets including polishing and priming. I had a small (1' X 1') piece of .063" aluminum left over anyway. This is great fun making small adjustments then recording the results. Scott Laughlin www.cooknwithgas.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163156#163156 --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:29 PM PST US From: Dan Lykowski Subject: Zenith-List: Moving Sale I have an entire 601XL spar set that I need to get rid of. They were damaged during shipment and in my opinion cannot be repaired. Due to liability, unless you can convince me otherwise (Lawyers may be involved), they will be marked as 'Damaged' and put in an unusable state. I don't know how much they are worth as scrap. Best offer can have them. You have to come get them since I will not ship them. I live right next to KPAE in Everett, WA. Dan Lykowski engineerguy3737'at'yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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