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1. 03:59 AM - Re: XL / Jabiru Dual throttles (DaveG601XL)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: FAA Kits (steveadams)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: FAA Kits (Kevin L. Rupert)
4. 05:59 AM - Torque of 3/16" or An3 Bolts ()
5. 06:24 AM - zenith 601 HDS tire replacement (jackandval)
6. 07:02 AM - 601XL QB Flaps problems (John Davis)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: zenith 601 HDS tire replacement (ALAN BEYER)
8. 08:27 AM - Panel text colors? (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
9. 08:44 AM - Best STOL 701 video ever!!! (Les Goldner)
10. 09:10 AM - Re: zenith 601 HDS tire replacement (LarryMcFarland)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: Panel text colors? (raymondj)
12. 09:17 AM - Re: XL / Jabiru Dual throttles (Tim Juhl)
13. 09:23 AM - Re: Panel text colors? ()
14. 09:49 AM - Re: 601XL QB Flaps problems (Gary Gower)
15. 09:52 AM - Re: Panel text colors? (george may)
16. 10:18 AM - Black crud in gascolator (Les Goldner)
17. 11:13 AM - Re: Black crud in gascolator (Gig Giacona)
18. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Storing skins (MaxNr@aol.com)
19. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Black crud in gascolator (Les Goldner)
20. 02:05 PM - 701 motor mount attach points on firewall (Jerry Hey)
21. 02:19 PM - Re: The crud! (Zed Smith)
22. 02:29 PM - Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall (John Marzulli)
23. 03:21 PM - 601 Crimp details (Lee Steensland)
24. 03:32 PM - Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall (Jerry Hey)
25. 04:07 PM - Re: Navaid Devices (jackandval)
26. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Navaid Devices (Herb Heaton)
27. 04:41 PM - Re: 601 Crimp details (Ron Lendon)
28. 04:57 PM - Re: 601 Crimp details (leinad)
29. 05:32 PM - Re: Best STOL 701 video ever!!! (Christopher Desmond)
30. 05:35 PM - Re: 601 Crimp details (Kevin Bonds)
31. 05:41 PM - Re: 601 Crimp details (David Downey)
32. 06:02 PM - Re: Black crud in gascolator (Bryan Martin)
33. 06:10 PM - Re: Black crud in gascolator (billmileski)
34. 06:17 PM - Re: Panel text colors? (billmileski)
35. 06:57 PM - Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall (Ashcraft, Keith - AES)
36. 07:21 PM - 601 HDS Project for Sale (Gary Boothe)
37. 07:41 PM - Re: Best STOL 701 video ever!!! (ruruny@aol.com)
38. 07:57 PM - Re: Holding Nose up (NYTerminat@aol.com)
39. 08:09 PM - horizontal sabilizer/ nose attitude in cruise (NYTerminat@aol.com)
40. 09:13 PM - Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall (Art Olechowski)
41. 09:57 PM - Fw: horizontal sabilizer/ nose attitude in cruise (NYTerminat@aol.com)
42. 10:32 PM - Re: Sabrina Re: pitching the H-stab (NYTerminat@aol.com)
43. 11:13 PM - HomebuiltHELP announcement (Jon Croke)
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| Subject: | Re: XL / Jabiru Dual throttles |
Tim,
I don't have much to add to what Jeff already said other than to add a few close-up
pictures of mine with the new firewall shelf configuration. I did not measure
my degrees of motion, but there is enough to fully actuate the throttle
from stop-to-stop with some to spare. Also, the brass cable adjuster going into
the carby needs a bend to avoid the nose gear strut. As recommended by Jabiru,
I used a tube bender. Just make sure not to make your bend right where the
brass transitions from thick wall to thin wall. I will break there if you
do. Look down the inside of it to see where it transitions.
Good Luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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While the target is clearly "hired gun" builders and complex aircraft requiring
a lot of factory assistance, there could be much wider impact. While industry
reps and EAA are against it, the FAA wants to get rid of "shared credit" when
determining who built the majority of the aircraft. Without this shared credit,
The CH640 QB kit I built would not give me enough credit to have built 51%
of the aircraft using the current checklist. I don't know for sure about other
kits but I doubt most QB kits would be safe under the proposal. In essence this
would change the current standard that basically says if you do one task, say
fabricate a rib, you get full credit for that task; to one where if the factory
does a portion of a task, say fabricate one rib, they get full credit for
the task and the builder gets 0 even if they fabricated every other rib. I would
be cautious about thinking the proposed changes won't effect us.
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>
>
> February 17, 2008
>
> New Guidance For Kitbuilt Aircraft On The Way
> Email this article
> <http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.send.story.prompt?client_id=avfl
ash&story_id=197174>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/NewGuidanceForKitbuiltAircraftOnT
heWay_197174-1.html?type=pf>
>
> /By Marc Cook
> <http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/udt/im.author.contact.view?client_id=av
flash&story_id=197174&title=New%20Guidance%20For%20Kitbuilt%20Aircraf
t%20On%20The%20Way&author=Marc%20Cook&address=http%3A//www.avweb.com/
avwebflash/news/NewGuidanceForKitbuiltAircraftOnTheWay%5F197174%2D1.html&
summary=On%20Friday%2C%20the%20FAA%20published%20the%20final%20report%2
0%28%3Ca%20href%3D%22http%3A//www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen%5Fav/ultralights/a
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2%3EPDF%3C/a%3E%29%20from%20the%20Amateur%2DBuilt%20Aircraft%20Aviation%2
0Rulemaking%20Committee%20that%20outlines%20plans%20to%20keep%20the%20%22
home%22%20in%20homebuilt.%20There%20will%20be%20a%20public%20comment%20pe
riod%2C%20which%20EAA%20predicts%20will%20be%20announced%20in%20April%20o
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y%20October.%20The%20report%20follows%20months%20of%20work%20by%20the%20F
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lagrant%20violations%20of%20the%20experimental/amateur%2Dbuilt%20rules%2C
%20which%20state%20that%20individuals%20must%20%20complete%20a%20%26%2314
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ges%20that%20some%20companies%20provide%20de%20facto%20manufacturing%20fa
cilities%20for%20kitbuilt%20%20aircraft%20in%20which%20the%20builder%20do
es%20little%20actual%20work.%20%26%23147%3BIn%20the%20most%20extreme%20ca
ses%2C%20other%20persons%20fabricate%20and%20assemble%20the%20major%20por
tion%20%20of%20an%20amateur%2Dbuilt%20aircraft%20for%20the%20applicant%2C
%26%23148%3B%20according%20to%20the%20report.>,
> Editor, Kitplanes Magazine
>
> /
>
>
>
> On Friday, the FAA published the final report (PDF
> <http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/media/ARC
_FINAL_report.pdf>)
> from the Amateur-Built Aircraft Aviation Rulemaking Committee that
> outlines plans to keep the "home" in homebuilt. There will be a public
> comment period, which EAA predicts will be announced in April or May,
> and the FAA intends to have a final rule by October. The report
> follows months of work by the FAA and industry representatives in an
> attempt to curb flagrant violations of the experimental/amateur-built
> rules, which state that individuals must complete a "major portion" of
> the aircraft to be eligible for registration in that category. The
> report acknowledges that some companies provide de facto manufacturing
> facilities for kitbuilt aircraft in which the builder does little
> actual work. "In the most extreme cases, other persons fabricate and
> assemble the major portion of an amateur-built aircraft for the
> applicant," according to the report.
>
> To curb these abuses, the FAA has proposed changes to the guiding
> documents rather than a rewrite of the FARs that govern the category.
> Specifically, changes are expected to Advisory Circulars 20-27 and
> 20-139 that more accurately tally and identify outside commercial
> assistance on the forms used by the builder and the final inspector of
> the aircraft. The intention is, according to Earl Lawrence, vice
> president of industry and government affairs at the EAA, to clarify
> which parts of the airplane are completed by the builder, what is done
> by the factory as part of the original kit, and what has been done by
> commercial assistance. Now, for example, a kit manufacturer can
> construct all but one wing rib while the builder "fabricates" the
> remaining rib, and both entities get credit for all the work. There is
> also no requirement to state which parts of the aircraft have been
> fabricated or assembled by third-party commercial assistance. The
> revised ACs are expected to address these issues with specific guidance
=2E
>
> "The vast majority [of the report] is what we expected. We still don't
> know what the FAA intends," said Michael Via, of Glasair Aircraft.
> "We're waiting to see what the policies and orders state. Nothing here
> affects our existing customers." Jeremy Monnett, of Sonex Aircraft,
> said his company has always taken the 51 percent rule to heart and
> enforcement is the key to ensuring all kit manufacturers and builders
> adhere to the rules. "The resources required to carry out this
> enforcement have not been made available by the FAA over the last few
> years," Monnett said in a news release. "Without these resources,
> enforcement loosens and the rules are pushed beyond their spirit and
> intent, compromising the rules' continued existence." The FAA has
> proposed forming a group of Aviation Safety Inspectors to validate a
> manufacturer's claims that its kit allows the builder to complete the
> "major portion" of the aircraft. In addition to publishing the report,
> the FAA announced Friday that it was temporarily suspending inspection
> of aircraft kits for inclusion on the "51% list." This does not impact
> local inspections of completed airplanes. The move halts inspection of
> designs at the manufacturer level until the final rulemaking is publish
ed.
>
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| Subject: | Torque of 3/16" or An3 Bolts |
Zenith Listers,
do not archive
I have been following the "Bolt Torque" subject with interest. It has been
my experience ( for a little over 51 years now ) that folks with limited
experience tend to "over torque" those little 3/16" diameter ( AN3 ) bolts
which are used through-out our airplanes. You know - if tight is good,
tighter is better! I've seen others just wring them "right off". The worst
situation is the "over tightened" bolt that hasn't sheared "YET", especially
if it is in a critical location.
Of course a properly calibrated torque wrench of the correct size is the
proper way to go, but I must admit this old mechanic doesn't alway use one.
Many times, the particular installation will have the very definite
specified torque for the particular bolt called out in the manual or
instructions being used, such as gearbox or engine buildup. However, most
bolts will be "torqued/tightened" using just industry standards, such as in
AC 43.13-1.
Of course there will be those "special" installations such as the Zenith
rudder pedal bearing support installation being discussed. Probably, the
best case here would be that the "kit supplier" specify what to do in these
"special" situations. ( One may be a "hinge" where rotational movement is
involved - here we usually use a castleated nut. ) However, I suspect that
this will not be the norm with "most" kit suppliers.
Just sometimes, we must do a little thinking for ourselves. If the rudder
"torque tube" must rotate in the bearing support, we should give it some
thought on our own. If in doubt, seek the guidance of a experienced mechanic
or builder or even better the experts at the kit supplier, such as Roger or
Nick at Zenith.
If you are fairly new at this, I suggest you get a proper torque wrench and
some 3/16' bolts and NEW fiber lock nuts ( since that is what we use the
most of, except in the engine compartment in some places ) and practice
torqeing some of those bolts. I think you'll br surprised how little effort
it takes.
One final suggestion: use just a 1/4" drive wratchet rather than a 3/8"
drive wratchet when installing 3/16" diameter bolts using self locking nuts,
IF you are not using a calibrated torque wrench. You will tend to over
torque or stretch those little bolts with that "big" 3/8 drive ratchet.
Practice makes perfect!
Jim Hoak - 601 HD
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| Subject: | zenith 601 HDS tire replacement |
I am installing new tires on the main gear and wondering the best way to do this?
Do I have to remove the brake housing first? It looks like the nuts & bolts holding
the brake housing on is going to be difficult to get to with a wrench.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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| Subject: | 601XL QB Flaps problems |
Hi All,
I did a test fit of wings on my 601 XL QB this weekend and have some
problems with the flaps.
1. The slot in the end rib of the flaps seems to have been cut at the
wrong location. According to my plans it should be 40mm from the top and
80 mm from the side of the rib. On my flaps both slots are centered on
90 mm from the edge of the rib. Of course with this the flap doesn't fit
well when engaged with the flap torque tube. I checked the dimensions on
the torque tube ends and they do match the plans.
2. It also seems like the flap hinge that fits into the wing skin was
drilled a bit too far to the inboard sides by approx 1/16 of an inch or
so. As a result the edge of the flap sticks out a bit beyond the edge of
the wing and it hits the flap torque tube.
Anyone else have these problems with their QB flaps ?
I suspect the factory in Columbia just test fit the flaps without the
torque tubes and it fit fine then but it seems like both items are done
wrong ?
Thanks,
John Davis
Burnsville, NC
601 XL - QB - Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: zenith 601 HDS tire replacement |
I have replaced tires on my HDS a couple of times. All you have to do is remove
the axle. All the brake stuff stays in place. Don't forget to balance the
wheels. You might be surprised how much weight it takes.
Al from Oshkosh
----- Original Message ----
From: jackandval <jackry@alltel.net>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:20:33 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: zenith 601 HDS tire replacement
I am installing new tires on the main gear and wondering the best way to do this?
Do I have to remove the brake housing first? It looks like the nuts & bolts holding
the brake housing on is going to be difficult to get to with a wrench.
Thanks for any suggestions.
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| Subject: | Panel text colors? |
I am going to paint my panel/console with a dark grey textured paint
(Rustoleum MultiColor Textured). I have checked, and Brother tape
labels will adhere to it acceptably. My question is whether to use
white-on-black text or black-on-white text.
I know that most engraved placards are white-on-black, but was wondering
if there is any "preferred" or "most visible to aging eyes" choice. I
do fly at night and have good instrument lighting, but am currently
planning no direct panel lighting.
Maybe some NASA report or FAA test?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Best STOL 701 video ever!!! |
I just viewed a new back-country flying DVD prepared by Christopher Desmond
with flights by him and Michael Heintz (Chris Heintz's son). Christopher is
a 701 pilot and a member of our N. California flying club.
This DVD is really great! The photography and the STOL flying far exceed
anything I have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras were
mounted on the wing, inside the cockpit, and looking up from the ground.
Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, and fly from small gravel and
grass strips. This video is truly spectacular.
No, I'm not selling anything, nor do I have any financial interest in this
video, but I recommend that, if you are interested in back country STOL
flying, look at a preview of this DVD on YouTube at
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to order
the full DVD at <http://www.stol-adventures.com/>
http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
..... with 15 very satisfied hours on my CH701, N67MG
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| Subject: | Re: zenith 601 HDS tire replacement |
Hi Jack,
You should be able to jack the fork and take the pressure off the axle.
Then remove the axle and spacers, which will allow you to
let the rotor down from between the brake pads. Then the disassembly is
little more than letting out the air and splitting the wheel
for removal and replacement of the tube and tire. I've included a
drawing and pics of a device that makes that task a bit easier
for you.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wheelfairings/full/fairingbrakefit.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/gear/full/brakes2forks.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/601-gear-fork-jack.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/Teebarforkjack2.gif
Good luck,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
jackandval wrote:
>
> I am installing new tires on the main gear and wondering the best way to do this?
> Do I have to remove the brake housing first? It looks like the nuts & bolts
holding the brake housing on is going to be difficult to get to with a wrench.
Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel text colors? |
Greetings Andrew,
I have no scientific evidence. In my experience light on a dark
background is easier to read in low light conditions. Also note that
interstate signs are white on a dark background. I assume that decision
was not arbitrarily. Just another data point.
I plan to use a matte grey for my instrument panel and the top of
the nose of the aircraft. My lettering will be white on clear tape. I
was wondering why you chose textured rather than just a matte finish.
Is there a visibility advantage?
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
To: Zenith-List Digest Server
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Panel text colors?
I am going to paint my panel/console with a dark grey textured paint
(Rustoleum MultiColor Textured). I have checked, and Brother tape
labels will adhere to it acceptably. My question is whether to use
white-on-black text or black-on-white text.
I know that most engraved placards are white-on-black, but was
wondering if there is any "preferred" or "most visible to aging eyes"
choice. I do fly at night and have good instrument lighting, but am
currently planning no direct panel lighting.
Maybe some NASA report or FAA test?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: XL / Jabiru Dual throttles |
Dave & Jeff,
You guys are outstanding! Just what I needed to know and see. I really appreciate
the help.
Tim
PS. I ordered the homebuilt help DVD but it hasn't arrived yet.
--------
______________
CFII
Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Panel text colors? |
My panel is flat black and the labels are white text on black background. No scientific
study to support my decision bu they are easy for me to see and read.
Dred
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
> To: Zenith-List Digest Server
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:17 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Panel text colors?
>
>
> I am going to paint my panel/console with a dark grey textured paint (Rustoleum
MultiColor Textured). I have checked, and Brother tape labels will adhere
to it acceptably. My question is whether to use white-on-black text or black-on-white
text.
>
> I know that most engraved placards are white-on-black, but was wondering if
there is any "preferred" or "most visible to aging eyes" choice. I do fly at
night and have good instrument lighting, but am currently planning no direct
panel lighting.
>
> Maybe some NASA report or FAA test?
>
> Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
> N601GE (reserved)
> 601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL QB Flaps problems |
Hello John,
Can you post a photo(s), remember a photo worth a 1,000 words...
I will be in in this point in a few weeks (I hope).
Saludos
Gary Gower.
John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I did a test fit of wings on my 601 XL QB this weekend and have some
problems with the flaps.
1. The slot in the end rib of the flaps seems to have been cut at the
wrong location. According to my plans it should be 40mm from the top and
80 mm from the side of the rib. On my flaps both slots are centered on
90 mm from the edge of the rib. Of course with this the flap doesn't fit
well when engaged with the flap torque tube. I checked the dimensions on
the torque tube ends and they do match the plans.
2. It also seems like the flap hinge that fits into the wing skin was
drilled a bit too far to the inboard sides by approx 1/16 of an inch or
so. As a result the edge of the flap sticks out a bit beyond the edge of
the wing and it hits the flap torque tube.
Anyone else have these problems with their QB flaps ?
I suspect the factory in Columbia just test fit the flaps without the
torque tubes and it fit fine then but it seems like both items are done
wrong ?
Thanks,
John Davis
Burnsville, NC
601 XL - QB - Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Panel text colors? |
Another possiblity is white on clear background. This allow the panel color
to show thru and gives more of an engraved look
George May
601XL 912s
From: a.s.elliott@cox.netTo: zenith-list@matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List:
Panel text colors?Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:17:42 -0700
I am going to paint my panel/console with a dark grey textured paint (Rusto
leum MultiColor Textured). I have checked, and Brother tape labels will ad
here to it acceptably. My question is whether to use white-on-black text o
r black-on-white text.
I know that most engraved placards are white-on-black, but was wondering if
there is any "preferred" or "most visible to aging eyes" choice. I do fly
at night and have good instrument lighting, but am currently planning no d
irect panel lighting.
Maybe some NASA report or FAA test?
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZN601GE (reserved)601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Black crud in gascolator |
At 8 hours TT and now again at 15 hours, I noticed a lot of small
non-magnetic black particle specks in fuel drained from the gascolator and
tank drains on my new 701. These particles settle to the bottom of the
drained fuel and stop coming out after draining about 6 ounces. My 701 has
only one gascolator that is placed in the fuel line on the engine side of
the firewall just downstream of two fuel filters (one for each wing tank).
I don't understand how the gascolator could get dirty downstream of the
filters and don't know where the specs are coming from. I cleaned everything
with a vacuum cleaner and with compressed air pressure before connecting the
lines. The black specs are non-metallic and I don't think they are
aluminum. My fuel lines are Aeroquip, stainless steel clad, top-of-the-line,
and the fuel filters are 10 micron stainless screens that are about 1' in
diameter. So far there has been no decrease in fuel flow or engine power.
Has anyone else had this problem and there something I should be doing about
it besides checking the fuel filters?
Thanks for the help,
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Black crud in gascolator |
Have you looked at the filters? Where are you getting your gas?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Storing skins |
Regarding removable or folding wings: I asked a rep at Glassair about the
folding wing of the Glastar. "Do I have to drain the tanks before wing fold?" His
answer was that you could fold with the full 25 gal in each wing and was
often trailered at 70MPH. Regarding aileron linkage: I once saw a sailplane with
a
quick disconnect aileron linkage. It was basically two bell cranks that
butted up to each other when assembled for flight. They met with a kind of nylon
padded ball and cup arrangement on each end like your thigh bone connects to
your hip bone. Just ideas that have been tried.
Bob Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Black crud in gascolator |
W.R.,
I will look at the filters this week but there is no noticeable blockage in
the lines. I use the best gas I can find in the area, 91 octane Chevron and
I filter all gas as I put it in the tanks. The crud is not coming from the
gas station.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Gig Giacona
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:10 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
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> Have you looked at the filters? Where are you getting your gas?
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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> Photoshare, and much much more:
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| Subject: | 701 motor mount attach points on firewall |
I am having trouble finding the exact location of the two motor
mount attachment points that are in the middle points vertically.
The upper center point and the two lowest ones are clearly located on
7-F-7 but the middle ones are not. I am new to reading these plans so
I am sure it is me. Jerry
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do not archive
This probaby does not apply, but.......
Several years ago a fellow bought two new gas cans specifically to carry gas from
the airport to his private grass strip.
Turns out the cans had some sort of coating inside. Never did know if it was paint
or something else.
Fuel "looked" okay as he was pouring it into the airplane, but after even a short
flight he could get crud from the drains.
He got the cans at a "farm store" so I'm not sure they were actually "gasoline"
cans.
So much for that story.
Also, since "crud" is more dense (heavier) than fuel, you might take a look at
the inside of the hose from the gascolator to the engine. It might be coming
apart/melting from within and falling down and into the gascolator!
Regards,
Zed/701/R912/90+%/90% left
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| Subject: | Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall |
Are you using the old style "shelf" mount or the new ring mount?
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
On Feb 18, 2008 2:02 PM, Jerry Hey <jerry@jerryhey.com> wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding the exact location of the two motor
> mount attachment points that are in the middle points vertically.
> The upper center point and the two lowest ones are clearly located on
> 7-F-7 but the middle ones are not. I am new to reading these plans so
> I am sure it is me. Jerry
>
>
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | 601 Crimp details |
Eureka!
I now have a seat at the table. Got my plans for the 601xl on
valentines day of all things.
After reading through the plans a few times I see a few things that my
detailed orientated brain needs to know.
Can anyone detail the crimps on the tail and wing nose ribs? I have seen
a few people use routers to cut them but leave out the little detail of
type of bit used, etc. They appear to be 12mm across and about that deep.
Also, with all the brake plans that I have seen, everyone seems so
focused on all the 1/8" radius bends the on the 601. Has anyone
considered the 1/4" radius bends that are required? There are far fewer
1/4" radius bends, but they are there. What modifications to a brake
are required to change the radius. I'm sure a solution will present itself.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall |
Neither. I need this info so that the engine mount for a RotaMax 2
rotor engine can be designed for the 701. Jerry
On Feb 18, 2008, at 5:23 PM, John Marzulli wrote:
> Are you using the old style "shelf" mount or the new ring mount?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 2:02 PM, Jerry Hey <jerry@jerryhey.com> wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding the exact location of the two motor
> mount attachment points that are in the middle points vertically.
> The upper center point and the two lowest ones are clearly located on
> 7-F-7 but the middle ones are not. I am new to reading these plans so
>
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a
> lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> -Airplane The Movie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Devices |
I talked to them about a month ago with no problem, maybe they are on vacation.
Did you use the phone number on their web site?
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Devices |
The number I used was (423) 267-3311. The first time I called was the
day after the tornadoes went through that section of the country.
Hopefully, they weren't affected by the storms. I have called every day
since and get no answer. Maybe you are right...maybe they are on
vacation. I'll just keep trying until I get a response.
Thanks for the reply.
Herb
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: jackandval<mailto:jackry@alltel.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 5:04 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Navaid Devices
<jackry@alltel.net<mailto:jackry@alltel.net>>
I talked to them about a month ago with no problem, maybe they are on
vacation. Did you use the phone number on their web site?
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Crimp details |
Welcome to the wonderful world of airplane building.
The size and shape of the crimps are not as important as their location. The crimps
are there just to gather the extra metal. I scratch built and put them
in the forms with a 3/4" dia. sanding drum chucked in a hand held die grinder.
Here is the log entry:
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=19861&row=326
About the radius issue, more will be revealed as you learn and do.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Crimp details |
To make crimps on my form blocks I used a rotary rasp in a drill motor. The one
I used was about 3/4" at the wide end then tapers to almost a point. It makes
very nice tapered crimps. I think I purchased it at Sears.
Most of the 1/4 inch radius are on thicker material that I bend over a wooden form
in my vice with a mallet. I use a good hard wood, like maple to make these
forms. I first cut the edge away so that it is sharper than a 90, more like
70 degrees to take care of spring back, and round the edge with a rasp and sand
paper until I've got the radius I want.
Check out the tools link on my web sight.
http:\daniel.dempseyfamily.us
I also use a wooden bending brake, but that's another story.
Dan 601xl Dempsey
zenith-list(at)steensland wrote:
> Eureka!
>
> I now have a seat at the table. Got my plans for the 601xl on
> valentines day of all things.
>
> After reading through the plans a few times I see a few things that my
> detailed orientated brain needs to know.
>
> Can anyone detail the crimps on the tail and wing nose ribs? I have seen
> a few people use routers to cut them but leave out the little detail of
> type of bit used, etc. They appear to be 12mm across and about that deep.
>
> Also, with all the brake plans that I have seen, everyone seems so
> focused on all the 1/8" radius bends the on the 601. Has anyone
> considered the 1/4" radius bends that are required? There are far fewer
> 1/4" radius bends, but they are there. What modifications to a brake
> are required to change the radius. I'm sure a solution will present itself.
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Best STOL 701 video ever!!! |
Hi Les:
I am sure that your posting will be in the batch that I will get
tomorrow morning.
It was very kind of you to take the time and to write such a great
review, thanks again.
CD
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Best STOL 701 video ever!!!
I just viewed a new back-country flying DVD prepared by Christopher
Desmond with flights by him and Michael Heintz (Chris Heintz's son).
Christopher is a 701 pilot and a member of our N. California flying
club.
This DVD is really great! The photography and the STOL flying far
exceed anything I have ever seen; Hollywood couldn't do better! Cameras
were mounted on the wing, inside the cockpit, and looking up from the
ground. Flights go into canyons, land on river banks, and fly from
small gravel and grass strips. This video is truly spectacular.
No, I'm not selling anything, nor do I have any financial interest in
this video, but I recommend that, if you are interested in back country
STOL flying, look at a preview of this DVD on YouTube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBb_IuT1_o or contact Christopher to
order the full DVD at http://www.stol-adventures.com/.
Regards,
Les
... with 15 very satisfied hours on my CH701, N67MG
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Crimp details |
Lee
Folks like us (people who come up with these wild ideas like building
our own airplane) tend to want to obsess over the details. We want to
have everything figured out immediately. But remember, this thing is
going to be built one part at a time. Just get busy working on a part.
You' ll find a solution to the unknowns in due time. There is nothing on
this plane you wont be able to accomplish if you just get busy on it. I
didn't bother putting the crimp reliefs in my blocks. Tried it, Didn't
need them. Some like them but, you'll have to finish the bend a little
by hand, no matter what, so I didn't bother. Your results may vary. I
put a page on my site for new builders here
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/new_builders.htm
Not that I'm an expert or anything. But, I thought it might serve as a
reminder to not obsess. I am notorious about obsessing and taking too
long to do something. I have been making a conscious effort, lately, to
change this detail about myself.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville Tn
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds/
Lee Steensland wrote:
> <zenith-list@steensland.net>
>
> Eureka!
>
> I now have a seat at the table. Got my plans for the 601xl on
> valentines day of all things.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 Crimp details |
Hello Lee;
The 1/4" radius was managed many moons ago in the big name manufacturer's experimental
department by bending shims on the 1/8" radius until you had a stack thick
enough to generate the more ample radius bends. Make the shims longer than
the part top be bent and tape the stack to the brake nose to the side of the
actual part edges.
Eureka!
I now have a seat at the table. Got my plans for the 601xl on
valentines day of all things.
After reading through the plans a few times I see a few things that my
detailed orientated brain needs to know.
Can anyone detail the crimps on the tail and wing nose ribs? I have seen
a few people use routers to cut them but leave out the little detail of
type of bit used, etc. They appear to be 12mm across and about that deep.
Also, with all the brake plans that I have seen, everyone seems so
focused on all the 1/8" radius bends the on the 601. Has anyone
considered the 1/4" radius bends that are required? There are far fewer
1/4" radius bends, but they are there. What modifications to a brake
are required to change the radius. I'm sure a solution will present itself.
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Black crud in gascolator |
Does the fuel have alcohol in it? Are your fuel lines alcohol proof?
On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Les Goldner wrote:
> At 8 hours TT and now again at 15 hours, I noticed a lot of small
> non-magnetic black particle specks in fuel drained from the
> gascolator and tank drains on my new 701. These particles settle to
> the bottom of the drained fuel and stop coming out after draining
> about 6 ounces. My 701 has only one gascolator that is placed in the
> fuel line on the engine side of the firewall just downstream of two
> fuel filters (one for each wing tank).
> I don't understand how the gascolator could get dirty downstream of
> the filters and don't know where the specs are coming from. I
> cleaned everything with a vacuum cleaner and with compressed air
> pressure before connecting the lines. The black specs are non-
> metallic and I don't think they are aluminum. My fuel lines are
> Aeroquip, stainless steel clad, top-of-the-line, and the fuel
> filters are 10 micron stainless screens that are about 1' in
> diameter. So far there has been no decrease in fuel flow or engine
> power. Has anyone else had this problem and there something I should
> be doing about it besides checking the fuel filters?
> Thanks for the help,
> Les
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: Black crud in gascolator |
Les,
Double-check the Aeroquip specs to see if it is recommended for autofuel (and its
alcohol, toluene, etc.). I found that some of the aviation fuel line prohibits
autofuel, might be worth checking. That would mean the black specs are decomposing
fuel line material, but I don't know if that makes any sense. Good
luck,
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
701 912S 116hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Panel text colors? |
http://forums.matronics.com/download.php?id=3407
I used white on clear labels, see pic at above link. My grey panel is not very
dark, but I have been happy with the contrast.
Bill Mileski
701 912S 116hrs
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| Subject: | 701 motor mount attach points on firewall |
Is this the 1.3L? I have also looked at this engine. Just not exactly sure
about fuel consumption.
Weight/power is definitely a plus.
Let us know what you find out.
Keith
CH701 scratch
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jerry Hey
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall
Neither. I need this info so that the engine mount for a RotaMax 2
rotor engine can be designed for the 701. Jerry
On Feb 18, 2008, at 5:23 PM, John Marzulli wrote:
> Are you using the old style "shelf" mount or the new ring mount?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 2:02 PM, Jerry Hey <jerry@jerryhey.com> wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding the exact location of the two motor
> mount attachment points that are in the middle points vertically.
> The upper center point and the two lowest ones are clearly located on
> 7-F-7 but the middle ones are not. I am new to reading these plans so
>
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a
> lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> -Airplane The Movie
>
>
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| Subject: | 601 HDS Project for Sale |
Group,
It has been over 1 year since I touched my project. I have been blaming it
on my pre-occupation with remodeling the house, but last week it hit me..
I'M BUILDING THE WRONG AIRPLANE!!
That's right. The plans say "601", the receipts say "Zenith"..but my dreams
say, "Pietenpol." That's been my dream since I saw my first one in 1972!
Anyhow, I would like to sell the completed rudder, tail kit, wings and
uncompleted center section. The rudder, tail and wings were all purchased
kits, but the center section is a scratch build. The wings are for an HDS,
with lockers and locker tanks.
I don't think I will get all my money out of it, so I will be happy to
discuss pricing with any interested parties - all, or part.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
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| Subject: | Re: Best STOL 701 video ever!!! |
I hosted the monthly meeting for my EAA chapter in January and played this video
on
my big screen TV, everyone was amazed by the performance of the 701 and very impressed
with the quality of the video. Made the meeting that much more enjoyable.
Brian
http://www.701builder.com
do not archive
Hi Les:
I am sure that your posting will be in the batch that I will get
tomorrow morning.
It was very kind of you to take the time and to write such a great
review, thanks again.
CD
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Goldner
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: Best STOL 701 video ever!!!
I just viewed a new back-country flying DVD prepared by Christopher
Desmond with flights by him and Michael Heintz (Chris Heintz's son).
Christopher is a 701 pilot and a member of our N. California flying
club.
This DVD is really great!
________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Holding Nose up |
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| Subject: | horizontal sabilizer/ nose attitude in cruise |
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| Subject: | Re: 701 motor mount attach points on firewall |
Jerry,
Print 7-E-1 shows a total of 5 attachment points to the firewall, 1 centered up
top, 2 mid
outboard and 2 lower outboard. Assuming your installing a 912 could you not just
use the
dimensions used on 7-E-1 to locate the mid outboard attachment points, the dimensions
agree with
7-F-7?
Art
701 scratch'in
do not archive
--- Jerry Hey <jerry@jerryhey.com> wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding the exact location of the two motor
> mount attachment points that are in the middle points vertically.
> The upper center point and the two lowest ones are clearly located on
> 7-F-7 but the middle ones are not. I am new to reading these plans so
> I am sure it is me. Jerry
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: horizontal sabilizer/ nose attitude in cruise |
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| Subject: | Re: Sabrina Re: pitching the H-stab |
Hi all,
With all the talk of pitching the horizontal stabilizer lately I have a
quick question. I am doing my conditional inspection on my 701 and decided to
replace the front horizontal stabilizer brackets to the .063 material. There
were no cracks in my old ones but I figured I might as well bite the bullet now
while the weather is keeping me from flying anyway. I have always felt that I
was flying in a nose high attitude while at cruise and that I do not see the
higher MPH that others see. I purchased a digital level and have discovered
that my horizontal stabilizer was about a half of a degree low in the front
(approx 3 mm). I plan on raising it one degree so that I will be a half of a
degree higher in the front based on the A-E line. I am wondering if this is a
good idea as I believe this will get me flying in a better attitude at cruise
and pick up some speed. Any thoughts?
Bob Spudis
N701Zx/ CH-701/ 912S/ 140hrs
In a message dated 2/11/2008 2:20:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
chicago2paris@msn.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Zenith Aircraft indicated it was a "good idea." I can't imagine that they
would say so without calling up Chris in France. So too, the math seems to
work out, but more importantly, people have done it and proved it. (Bryan,
Scott and several others.) I personally would not go to 3 degrees. The AMDs
appear to be about 1 degree down, but they will not confirm that. The problem
may be that some actually have the stab pitched slightly up, and that is in
fact more dangerous than pitching it slightly down with a nose heavy
aircraft. Cessna has proven than tail down force on slow aircraft is an acceptable
design. W&B on a 601 is critical. One must always start with an accurate
weight and balance sheet (in other words, don't use bathroom scales.)
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