---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/27/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: Re: Torque Value Table, flap misshap and radio noise (Juan Vega) 2. 03:16 AM - Re: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Dave Johnson) 3. 05:14 AM - 701 door springs (Tracy) 4. 06:55 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 02/26/08 (alex trent) 5. 07:06 AM - Re: 701 door springs (LRM) 6. 07:22 AM - New to the list (Jay Maynard) 7. 07:45 AM - Re: New to the list (george may) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: New to the list (Gig Giacona) 9. 08:34 AM - Re: New to the list (LarryMcFarland) 10. 08:50 AM - New to the list (Beckman, Rick) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: Dragon Season (Tommy Walker) 12. 01:16 PM - FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Gig Giacona) 13. 02:41 PM - Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 14. 02:55 PM - Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Gig Giacona) 15. 03:27 PM - Re: New to the list (swater6) 16. 03:49 PM - Re: Dragon Season (kmccune) 17. 03:55 PM - Re: New to the list (kmccune) 18. 04:45 PM - Re: New to the list (jmaynard) 19. 05:32 PM - Where? (Bill Naumuk) 20. 05:48 PM - Re: Where? (Paul Mulwitz) 21. 06:25 PM - Re: Where? (Bill Naumuk) 22. 06:33 PM - Re: Where? (Craig Payne) 23. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: Seats: seat backs, cushions, and upholstery (Jeff) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:11 AM PST US From: Juan Vega Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Torque Value Table, flap misshap and radio noise ngk as wel as another few. just google it. juan -----Original Message----- >From: Ron Lendon >Sent: Feb 26, 2008 9:13 PM >To: zenith-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Torque Value Table, flap misshap and radio noise > > > >> Who makes the DR9EA-9 plug? > >NGK > >-------- >Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI >Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) >http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166486#166486 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:42 AM PST US From: "Dave Johnson" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables Thanks for the tip - I have been watching Jon's videos, but when I saw the section on installing the dual throttles, I decided that I didn't need to watch that, as I'm going for the single throttle - WRONG!! I should have realised that all of Jon's videos are worth watching. I put it down to a 'senior moment' (I get a lot of them!) Dave Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaveG601XL" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables > > Dave, > > Not sure if you have seen the new Homebuilthelp.com Zenith 601/Jabiru > installation video, but it gets covered there. Jabiru recommends bending > the brass cable-end adjuster to help accommodate the bends the cable is > required to make. I am putting in the dual throttle which also requires > bending around the center structure. Although not the best view, I > attached the only picture I currently have showing the bent adjusters at > the carb for both throttle and choke. > > Good luck, > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail & wings completed and > fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166366#166366 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_356_974.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:44 AM PST US From: Tracy Subject: Zenith-List: 701 door springs thanks for the info Mark. imjust woried about flexing on the bubble doors.guess I will build it and find out ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:06 AM PST US From: alex trent Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 02/26/08 You have restored my faith, I thought you would rarely make a mistake. I feel much better about my own screwups and having to redo parts now that I see that near perfect workmanship comes at a price.:-) alex t. >> >> > Time: 01:41:59 PM PST US > From: LarryMcFarland > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601xl materials list > > > Hi Lee, > For the HDS it was prudent to have more 8 foot sheets as I learned the > hard way. You should inventory your long pieces and figure how many of > each you need and add 20% for damage and errors in your shop. I'd buy > enough .016 for ailerons, elevators, etc. Replace any other .016 skin > with .020 > where you can. I made 5 ailerons to get two correct and then > accidentally stepped on the good one and bought more sheet. Several rear > top skins > two rudder nose skins, two stabilizer nose skins, and many other parts > too numerous to mention to get it exactly right. You get the idea. With > the XL > you might just be ahead with 12 footers. > > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:31 AM PST US From: "LRM" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 door springs They will definitely crack if you don't reinforce them. Especially in cold weather. One of mine did. They are made out of Plexiglas. If they had been made out of Lexan it would not be a problem. Lexan flexes, Plexiglas does not. Lexan is softer and will scratch easier. It is also harder than Plexiglas to buff out, but can be done, I have done it. I asked Zenith why they didn't use Lexan, their answer was that gas would distort or cloud the finish. So, don't get gas on your doors!! If you do it will buff out. Truth be known, Plexiglas is cheaper to buy and form. LRM www.skyhawg.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:09 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 door springs > > thanks for the info Mark. > imjust woried about flexing on the bubble doors.guess I will build it and > find out > > > -- > 9:08 AM > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:16 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Zenith-List: New to the list I'm getting ready to order a Zodiac XLi from AMD, and it was suggested that I join this list. I know that it's mainly oriented to homebuilding, but I hope to get some useful insight into the aircraft and flying it. I'd dearly love to build my own. The reality is that I don't have anything close to the time needed to devote to such a project. I just got a BFR in Dragonfly Aviation's Zodiac. It took me one whole flight and several really terrible arrivals (I won't call them landings) to realize that I can't fly it the same way I'd fly a 172 or Tiger. The second flight was a lot better, and I'm now convinced that I can fly the aircraft well, given sufficient practice. That was my main concern; a secondary concern was the seating, boththe positionand the upholstery, but that turned out to be a total non-issue. I'm about to call John Degonia and get the ball rolling. Hopefully, I'll have the aircraft before a wholelot of time has passed. See you in the air! -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (getting ready to order) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:42 AM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: New to the list > "I'm getting ready to order a Zodiac XLi from AMD, and it was suggested t hat" Hi Jay-- Welcome to the list. There is a vast array of knowledge of things Zenith here. I'm etc sure any questions you might have on plane flight characteris tics or performance can be answered, alsong with engine issues etc. George May 601XL 912s > > _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120 08 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New to the list From: "Gig Giacona" Welcome Jay, I'm sure you'll find that the signal to noise ratio better here than on USENET. Do Not Archive -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166572#166572 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:55 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith-List: New to the list Welcome to the list Jay, Good move being on the list. There's always something that needs adjusting, replacement or adding, even with a new plane. You'll make it your own with an LRI or GPS etc. Lots of archives and people to assist you in that latest info or solutions. Just don't hesitate to ask. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Jay Maynard wrote: > > I'm getting ready to order a Zodiac XLi from AMD, and it was suggested that > I join this list. I know that it's mainly oriented to homebuilding, but I > hope to get some useful insight into the aircraft and flying it. I'd dearly > love to build my own. The reality is that I don't have anything close to the > time needed to devote to such a project. > > I just got a BFR in Dragonfly Aviation's Zodiac. It took me one whole flight > and several really terrible arrivals (I won't call them landings) to realize > that I can't fly it the same way I'd fly a 172 or Tiger. The second flight > was a lot better, and I'm now convinced that I can fly the aircraft well, > given sufficient practice. That was my main concern; a secondary concern was > the seating, boththe positionand the upholstery, but that turned out to be a > total non-issue. > > I'm about to call John Degonia and get the ball rolling. Hopefully, I'll > have the aircraft before a wholelot of time has passed. See you in the air! > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: New to the list From: "Beckman, Rick" Welcome, Jay!!! Rick Beckman Zodie XL 52EB www.sharbo.us/thebird Do NOT archive - ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dragon Season From: "Tommy Walker" I really like the sound of that Suzuki engine.... Quite a Hummer! Tommy rroberts wrote: > Hmmmm, Dragon Season must have opened in Alabama! Purple Dragon Season: > > http://www.youtube.com:80/results?search_query=n701rr&search_type -------- Tommy Walker Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166611#166611 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY From: "Gig Giacona" I've decided to not use the EXP Bus I purchased and before I go through the hassle of sending it back to ACS I'll offer it to you guys. ACS price is $424 I'll let it go for $400 and I'll ship it anywhere in the 48 states. I've had it out of the box to look at it but it has never been installed. Here is the ACS page on it for more info. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/expbus.php -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166634#166634 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:28 PM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY Hey Gig: I will take your offer on the EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY. Lynn Nelsen **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:47 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY From: "Gig Giacona" SOLD!! Do Not Archive -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166643#166643 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:06 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New to the list From: "swater6" Jay, Welcome! I'm glad to hear that there will be a Zodiac flying in Minnesota! I hope I see you around. I'm curious to hear what the main challenges you faced were transitioning from a 172 to the Zodiac. Other than getting the feel of a new plane, what things were hardest to get used to? What surprised you? Always interesting to here what that first experience was like. Scott -------- 601 XL kit N596SW reserved Tail, control surfaces and both wings complete. Now working on fuselage www.scottwaters.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166645#166645 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dragon Season From: "kmccune" Too cool Rick! -------- Kevin N701DZ Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166647#166647 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New to the list From: "kmccune" Hey welcome to the list. I live in western WI and drive through Fairmont regularly for work. -------- Kevin N701DZ Reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166648#166648 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New to the list From: "jmaynard" swater6 wrote: > Welcome! I'm glad to hear that there will be a Zodiac flying in Minnesota! I hope I see you around. Actually, mine will be the second AMD Zodiac in Minnesota. A guy in Crookston got the first one. He's also worked with the factory to develop a cold weather kit for the Zodiac: mainly improved cabin sealing, but also cooling inlet restrictors. I'll have that on my aircraft, as well as a Tanis heater. > I'm curious to hear what the main challenges you faced were transitioning from a 172 to the Zodiac. Other than getting the feel of a new plane, what things were hardest to get used to? What surprised you? The Zodiac's control feel was significantly lighter than I was used to. I've got about 165 hours in 172s, PA-28s, and AA-5Bs, and they all feel about the same - and completely unlike the Zodiac. It took a suggestion from Gig on Usenet to get me straightened out. The first time, I was using my hand and arm to fly, as I did in other aircraft, and never really had control of the aircraft. The second time, I planted the side of my left hand firmly on my thigh and only used the thumb and forefinger on the base of the grip to fly, and the CFI's comment was that I finally had command of the aircraft. He was right, too. The one acceptable landing I made (out of 8 plus one go-around from a landing I couldn't rescue) was the first one I made the second day, and it was at least rolled on instead of dropped in from several feet. I have to say the Zodiac's gear has to be the stoutest I've ever seen, considering the abuse I gave it and the CFI's reaction to that. ("As long as you put it on the mains first, you won't break anything.") That's a good thing, but I really hope I learn to do better before I tear up my own plane! :-) I'm going to have to spend some time at altitude figuring out power settings and attitudes to achieve particular speeds and climb/descent rates. I still don't have a good handle on how to get that perfect 3 degree glide at 60 KIAS down final, and my command of the aircraft isn't that good yet. I think I'll need to carry some power on final at 60 knots with half flaps, which is what the CFI recommended I use. I'm also still overcontrolling a bit, though not as horribly as I did that first day. I'm not sure how different the AMD version will be, either in control feel or power/attitude/picture over the nose, from the aircraft I flew (Dragonfly Aviation's 601XL with the Sparrowhawk O-235). I suspect it won't make much difference, but won't know till I fly it. I was quoted a May 10 delivery date by the sales rep I'm dealing with. So far, I've got 3 hours in the Zodiac; I'll probably need several more before I'll feel comfortable with it. As I said in my Usenet posting where I laid out my decision process between the Zodiac and the other SLSA I was considering, the Tecnam Sierra: Do not fly the Zodiac without a good, thorough checkout by a CFI who's familiar with the aircraft and especially transitioning to it from the average light single. It will save you endless frustration and grief. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166651#166651 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Zenith-List: Where? All- Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm using the best. No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly strobe. Not my best photography! Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:33 PM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Hi Bill, I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors like that. I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones. I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil. spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection. Paul XL fuselage At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote: >All- > Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in > the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to > make sure I'm using the best. > No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily > service my belly strobe. > Not my best photography! > Thanks. >Bill Naumuk >Townville, Pa. >HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Naumuk" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Paul- It's a matter of being able to get the connector through the largest mounting hole of the light, if need be. That's why I can't use a spade connector. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Hi Bill, I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors like that. I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones. I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil. spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection. Paul XL fuselage At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote: All- Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm using the best. No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly strobe. Not my best photography! Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:43 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Where? I looked on B&C, Stein Air and Terminal Town and don't see that specific "barrel style" connector. But if you are willing to use another style they have them: www.terminaltown.com www.steinair.com www.bandc.biz/parts.html -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Where? All- Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm using the best. No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly strobe. Not my best photography! Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:52 PM PST US From: "Jeff " Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Seats: seat backs, cushions, and upholstery Thanks for all the posts on the seats. I have a plan now! 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