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1. 02:33 AM - what if? elevator trim tab runaway (chris Sinfield)
2. 03:23 AM - Re: Where? (David Downey)
3. 03:32 AM - Re: Where? (David Downey)
4. 03:41 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (DaveG601XL)
5. 03:58 AM - Re: Where? (haven)
6. 04:22 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (Gary Ray)
7. 04:24 AM - Re: Where? (Trainnut01@aol.com)
8. 05:14 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (Al Hays)
9. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Bill Sewell)
10. 05:50 AM - Aileron integration (Maarten Versteeg)
11. 06:25 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/27/08 (Scott Thatcher)
12. 06:25 AM - 601 parts (Bill Flick)
13. 06:58 AM - 601 XL Empty Weight (dalemed)
14. 07:12 AM - Re: Aileron integration (Gig Giacona)
15. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Dennis Shoup)
16. 07:54 AM - Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Gig Giacona)
17. 08:38 AM - Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (rhodes1)
18. 09:09 AM - Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Gig Giacona)
19. 09:36 AM - Throttle Cables (Philip)
20. 09:57 AM - Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Wayne Aho)
21. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Craig Payne)
22. 09:58 AM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Paul Mulwitz)
23. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Paul Mulwitz)
24. 10:52 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (JohnDRead@aol.com)
25. 11:09 AM - Re: Throttle Cables (Jon Croke)
26. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Clyde Barcus)
27. 11:59 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Michael Valentine)
28. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Bill Sewell)
29. 01:00 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (george may)
30. 01:14 PM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Dave Nixon)
31. 01:21 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (ernie)
32. 02:20 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Larry H)
33. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (David Downey)
34. 03:24 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (ROBERT SCEPPA)
35. 03:25 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (george may)
36. 04:41 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Larry H)
37. 04:51 PM - Re: Aileron integration (Tim Juhl)
38. 07:30 PM - Re: 2000 hours (MHerder)
39. 08:37 PM - Re: 2000 hours (Ron Lendon)
40. 10:46 PM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (chris Sinfield)
41. 10:46 PM - Re: Aileron integration (chris Sinfield)
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| Subject: | what if? elevator trim tab runaway |
Q. for those out flying their XL's.
With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way up or down,
is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim system and thinking
about if one switches sticks.
I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim run away if
required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others think?
Chris
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The interlocking knife switch type would probably work for you and they will not
separate under a tension load.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: Paul-
It's a matter of being able to get the connector through the largest mounting
hole of the light, if need be. That's why I can't use a spade connector.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where?
Hi Bill,
I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors
like that.
I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded
parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones.
I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show
in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and
two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil.
spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote:
All-
Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture?
These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm
using the best.
No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly
strobe.
Not my best photography!
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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they are called knife splices
http://www.gyroplanepassion.com/AircraftElectricalTerminalConnectors.html
http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c253/P130.pdf
http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=racequiet&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=175121486&Count2=92261910&ProductID=18994&Target=products.asp
http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail/8149/Accessories/%5F/PIDG%5FSplice/
As you see, the last two links are the exact same product - the one sold by the
aircraft outfit is double the price...
As previously stated on the list, silicone dielectric grease is advised for these
connectors without noble plated contacting surfaces.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote: Paul-
It's a matter of being able to get the connector through the largest mounting
hole of the light, if need be. That's why I can't use a spade connector.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Mulwitz
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where?
Hi Bill,
I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors
like that.
I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded
parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones.
I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show
in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and
two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil.
spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote:
All-
Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture?
These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm
using the best.
No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly
strobe.
Not my best photography!
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS Fuse/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway |
Chris,
That is what I did. I have few CB's and trim is one of them for the very reason
that I could pull it if desired.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail & wings completed and
fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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If you are going to use automotive type connectors, at least get marine grade.
They are for the harsh marine conditions. And you can always apply some di-electric
grease.
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| Subject: | Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway |
Chris
I have the full span left side elevator trim tab. When I get ham handed I
sometimes inadvertently activate the trim switches on the top of the control
stick. It will get your attention but it is still controllable. Same for
the aileron trim.
I have been at full deflection. The first time it happened it took 10
seconds to diagnose what was causing it.
At normal flight speed it has the most authority. At pattern speeds I need
to increase the trim setting on the aileron.
Time for full deflection is about 3 seconds. By the time you notice it, it
will be at full deployment so pulling a fuse wouldn't help. It will take
power to reverse the setting. I think if it happened it would be an
irritation. The controls are normally very light.
Gary Ray 601XL, 64 hrs TT
davgray@sbcglobal.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris Sinfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway
<chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>
> Q. for those out flying their XL's.
>
> With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way up or
down, is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim system and
thinking about if one switches sticks.
>
> I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim run
away if required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others think?
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166695#166695
>
>
> --
8:45 PM
>
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Bill
These connectors are available almost anywhere. Hone Depot, NAPA, AutoZone,
ect. They are really not the best choice for aircraft use however (IMO). I get
all of my aircraft connectors from BC Specialties or Waytec Wire.
Carroll
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| Subject: | Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway |
Listers,
FWTW, it seems to me that what might be no more than an irritation
under most conditions could easily become one distraction too many in
a busy airport environment or when dealing with other more
challenging situations. I'm putting in an order for the "Safety-
Trim" system from TCW to use with Ray Allen servos in my ZenVair
601XL (unfinished). Still haven't heard about anyone else having used
it other than Tim Olson's RV-10. TCW's website is: www.tcwtech.com
Al
On Feb 28, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Gary Ray wrote:
>
> Chris
>
> I have the full span left side elevator trim tab. When I get ham
> handed I
> sometimes inadvertently activate the trim switches on the top of
> the control
> stick. It will get your attention but it is still controllable.
> Same for
> the aileron trim.
> I have been at full deflection. The first time it happened it took 10
> seconds to diagnose what was causing it.
> At normal flight speed it has the most authority. At pattern
> speeds I need
> to increase the trim setting on the aileron.
>
> Time for full deflection is about 3 seconds. By the time you
> notice it, it
> will be at full deployment so pulling a fuse wouldn't help. It
> will take
> power to reverse the setting. I think if it happened it would be an
> irritation. The controls are normally very light.
>
> Gary Ray 601XL, 64 hrs TT
> davgray@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris Sinfield" <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:30 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway
>
>
> <chris_sinfield@yahoo.com.au>
>>
>> Q. for those out flying their XL's.
>>
>> With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way
>> up or
> down, is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim
> system and
> thinking about if one switches sticks.
>>
>> I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim
>> run
> away if required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others
> think?
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166695#166695
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
> 8:45 PM
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? |
Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more:
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 2/27/08, Doug Eatman <pilotdna@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Elliott,
> My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of
> pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose
> gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my
> plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the
> upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate
> freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter
> key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped
> hole.
>
> Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance
> bar (picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the
> picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the
> builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your
> elegant solution!).
>
> do not archive
> Douglas Eatman
> 601XL TD Vair
>
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| Subject: | Aileron integration |
Hello List,
I am nearing completion of my first wing. My question is when
have you integrated the aileron with the wing. I have already
drilled the flap and aileron to the wing but when should
these be riveted in place. The guide describes holding off on
the flaps till mounting the wings to the plane, but for the
aileron it might be easy to get the bell crank setup and the
trim servo wires attached.
Any advise ?
Maarten
601XL plans building wings.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/27/08 |
Welcome to the list Jay! I just got my Zodiac registered in December and it
took the combined input of most of the people on this list to get me out of
the jams I'd gotten myself into. Fortunately, you won't experience the
frustration of screwing up but for other issues such as avionics,
autopilots, and various mounting solutions, there is always someone here who
has done that or been there.
Again Congratulations and thanks for the info on on to fly this darn thing!
Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL
Time: 07:22:16 AM PST US
From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: New to the list
I'm getting ready to order a Zodiac XLi from AMD, and it was suggested that
I join this list. I know that it's mainly oriented to homebuilding, but I
hope to get some useful insight into the aircraft and flying it. I'd dearly
love to build my own. The reality is that I don't have anything close to the
time needed to devote to such a project.
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i need seat belts and cowl and eng mt for subaru into 601 hds. thanks
bill
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| Subject: | 601 XL Empty Weight |
What can I expect the empty weight of my 601 XL will be when its done - less the
weight of the engine and paint? Assume a stock build with minimal instruments
and minimal corrosion proofing.
Thanks for info!
--------
Dale
Flying Cessna 170B
Building Zenith 601XL
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron integration |
I riveted them when I finished the wing long ago. I also installed and ran the
trim before I closed up the wing so they are now tangling at the inboard end of
the wing with all the other wires.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY |
What alternative did you choose and why?
Dennis Shoup
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
wrote:
> wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
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> SOLD!!
>
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>
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> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY |
I'm going with switches, circuit breakers and fuses. The main reason is because
I was going to have to put several in anyway I just decided it would be not that
much more work to do all of them.
zenith601xl(at)gmail.com wrote:
> What alternative did you choose and why?
> Dennis Shoup
>
>
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Hello
I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be with a 0200
engine installed?
Thanks Don
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Well that's what AMD puts in the S-LSA so looking at their specs 770 Lbs.
http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/specification.html
rhodes1 wrote:
> Hello
> I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be with a
0200 engine installed?
> Thanks Don
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Asked in a previous post what cable (s) were used in the the CH 701
921S engine installation video. Anybody have any clues? Thinking of
using two throttle cables - any problem with the added internal sliding
friction with two cables? What is the attachment from cable core to
throttle rod used in the installation - froze the video and it looks
like a NAPA HELP type item. What say you guys
Phil Smith
CH-701
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| Subject: | Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that
is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
Wayne
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| Subject: | RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? |
The V block on the nose gear (and maybe the two-spring approach for a TD)
would self-center. I don't think the balance bar would do that. Is that true
and is it a real issue?
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sewell
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL?
Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more:
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 2/27/08, Doug Eatman <pilotdna@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dr. Elliott,
My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of
pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose
gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my
plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the
upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate
freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter
key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped
hole.
Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance bar
(picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the
picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the
builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your
elegant solution!).
do not archive
Douglas Eatman
601XL TD Vair
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| Subject: | Re: Routing choke and throttle cables |
Hi Dave,
I am currently doing the same task. I found the cable end adjusters
included in the FWF from UsJabiru to be completely unusable. The
distance from the carburetor to the nose gear was completely used up
by these parts before inserting the cable.
I decided to make new cable end fittings on my metal lathe. The new
parts extend only one inch from the carburetor bracket. This made it
possible to route the cable around the nose gear column and still get
it to the carburetor. I wound up making three of these fittings
since I have dual throttles. Two were used on the carburetor, and
one on the center cable for the dual throttle.
If you need the dimensions for these parts, I can send you a copy of
my little pencil drawing. Anyone with a lathe and some round brass
bar could make them in less than one hour each. You also will need a
thread forming die. If you don't have a lathe, perhaps you know
someone who does or can use a local machine shop's services. I
suppose you could buy the parts somewhere, but I have no idea where
to look for them. I tried McMaster-Carr and failed miserably.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage - hooking up engine
At 08:13 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote:
>I am installing the Jabiru 3300 on the 601XL and have got to the
>point of connecting up the throttle and choke cables.
>
>My problem is that the carb. is almost directly in front of the nose
>leg, so the cables have to go through a couple of quite sharp bends.
>
>I would be very interested to hear how others have routed their cables.
>
>Dave Johnson.
>
>601XL in the UK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Hi Don,
The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built
XL. I believe this model includes the Continental O-200.
My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an
O-200 or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared
to a Rotax or Jabiru installation.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
>Hello
>I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx]
>be with a 0200 engine installed?
>Thanks Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne, have you tried the _www.zenithair.com_ (http://www.zenithair.com) ?
Click on Zodiac XL Kit Aircraft then click on Builders on the net. There were
6 in NH when I checked.
do not archive
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Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 2/28/2008 10:58:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
acorn1800@yahoo.com writes:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH
that is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cables |
Hello Phil,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Every plane is equipped a
little differently and we had to go back to the catalogs to answer your
questions. All the information was there:
1. Throttle Cables used were A 820 Friction Lock Control (3ft.)
#05-09436
2. Cable Safe #05-16250 used through firewall.
3. Cable holder at throttle rod from Kragen Auto - or you could use a
Cable end "B" nut found in the Spruce Catalog. Part # 05-16210.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Michael Heintz
Quality Sport Planes, LLC
www.qualitysportplanes.com
Representing Zenith Aircraft kits in the West
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip
To: Zenith-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:25 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Throttle Cables
Asked in a previous post what cable (s) were used in the the CH 701
921S engine installation video. Anybody have any clues? Thinking of
using two throttle cables - any problem with the added internal sliding
friction with two cables? What is the attachment from cable core to
throttle rod used in the installation - froze the video and it looks
like a NAPA HELP type item. What say you guys
Phil Smith
CH-701
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
I am installing the Continental O-200 in my 601 XL, the people at Teledyne
Mattituck told me the O-200 is 215 pounds with accessories, the Jabiru is
listed at 180 with accessories.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight
>
> Hi Don,
>
> The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL.
> I believe this model includes the Continental O-200.
>
> My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an O-200
> or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared to a Rotax
> or Jabiru installation.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
> At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be
>>with a 0200 engine installed?
>>Thanks Don
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne -
I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress.
Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!!
Ernie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in
soon.
Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done -
putting on wings somewhere.
George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME)
Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email
or call me directly for more info.
Cheers, Michael Valentine
603-746-2166
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH
> that is building or flying this critter?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? |
In flight the air flow over the rudder tends to center the pedals, on the
ground keeping the airplane going in a streight line tends to keep them
centered (assuming of course that everything is correctly aligned).
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 2/28/08, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> The V block on the nose gear (and maybe the two-spring approach for a TD)
> would self-center. I don't think the balance bar would do that. Is that true
> and is it a real issue?
>
>
> -- Craig
>
>
> *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Sewell
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:38 AM
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL?
>
>
> Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more:
> http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm
>
>
> Bill Sewell
>
> N601BZ
>
>
> On 2/27/08, *Doug Eatman* <pilotdna@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Elliott,
> My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of
> pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose
> gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my
> plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the
> upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate
> freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter
> key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped
> hole.
>
> Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance
> bar (picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the
> picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the
> builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your
> elegant solution!).
>
> do not archive
> Douglas Eatman
> 601XL TD Vair
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| Subject: | Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne--
I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple
under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or cl
oser inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange somet
hing
George May
601XL 912s
Kingston NH
603-642-8694
list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New
HampshireWayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progres
s.Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! E
rnie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soo
n.Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done
- putting on wings somewhere.George May is done and flying in Kingston (pla
ne in Elliot, ME)Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read
provided. Email or call me directly for more info.Cheers, Michael Valenti
ne603-746-2166
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH t
hat is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Routing choke and throttle cables |
I ran into the same problem and talked with Mark at Jabiru. We discussed at length
and then I just made an extension bracket that moved the throttle cable to
the OUTSIDE of the carbie connection point instead of the inside as directed
by Jabiru. It worked great! There was no bend in the throttle cable since it
lined up directly to the carb while sliding along side the nose gear bracket.
It is now smooth and effortless. If I can help, I can send the same pictures that
I sent Mark for his edification. But the Choke cable is somewhat 'S' bent
so I might have to make one for that also. I will know in the next couple of days.
Wish me luck.
Dave Nixon
CH 601 XL 3300 (N 107 R)
99% done with 5% to go.
Going to Weight and Balance in the next day or two
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Wayne,
As Michael said I am in Merrimack and I am working the right wing right now.
The rudder class worked out great for me.
http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/Rudder
I have a web site that I have not updated in a while.
Call in the evening if you like
Ernie 424-1391
Do not Archive.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH
> that is building or flying this critter?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
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| Subject: | Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL......just
kidding......
Larry H
george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Wayne--
I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under
construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or closer inspection
of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange something
George May
601XL 912s
Kingston NH
603-642-8694
---------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:16 -0500
From: mgvalentine@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire
Wayne -
I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress.
Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! Ernie is
probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soon.
Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting
on wings somewhere.
George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME)
Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or
call me directly for more info.
Cheers, Michael Valentine
603-746-2166
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that
is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Empty Weight |
Were those weight wet or dry? How much oil does the Jab hold? (6+lb/gallon)
I am installing the Continental O-200 in my 601 XL, the people at Teledyne
Mattituck told me the O-200 is 215 pounds with accessories, the Jabiru is
listed at 180 with accessories.
Clyde Barcus
601 XL, Continental Powered
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight
>
> Hi Don,
>
> The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL.
> I believe this model includes the Continental O-200.
>
> My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an O-200
> or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared to a Rotax
> or Jabiru installation.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
>
>
> At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>>Hello
>>I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be
>>with a 0200 engine installed?
>>Thanks Don
>>
>>
>
>
>
Dave Downey
Harleysville (SE) PA
100 HP Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
> Hey Ernie, does that dog of yours have a driving
> license? How about teaching him to fly too...hehehe
> See you at Daniel Websters
--- ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> As Michael said I am in Merrimack and I am working
> the right wing right now.
>
> The rudder class worked out great for me.
> http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/Rudder
> I have a web site that I have not updated in a
> while.
>
> Call in the evening if you like
> Ernie 424-1391
>
>
> Do not Archive.
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Wayne Aho
> <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is
> there anyone near Keene, NH
> > that is building or flying this critter?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Wayne
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire |
Larry--
Should have checked with me last August when I was on the way to Oshkosh.
We could have worked something out
George
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ronics.com
Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL...
...just kidding......
Larry Hgeorge may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Wayne-- I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another
couple under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a rid
e or closer inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrang
e something George May601XL 912sKingston NH603-642-8694
list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New
HampshireWayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progres
s.Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! E
rnie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soo
n.Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done
- putting on wings somewhere.George May is done and flying in Kingston (pla
ne in Elliot, ME)Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read
provided. Email or call me directly for more info.Cheers, Michael Valenti
ne603-746-2166
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH t
hat is building or flying this critter?
Thanks,
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Dang George, that would just be my luck!! Always a day late and a dollar short.
Sad part is, I live right on the flight path around the bottom of Lake Michigan....(near
South Bend, In...Notre Dame...rah..rah...yeah, right...not!)...I'm
a Michigan Fan...LOL.
Larry
george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Larry--
Should have checked with me last August when I was on the way to Oshkosh. We
could have worked something out
George
do not archive
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:17:15 -0800
From: skyridersbn@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire
Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL......just
kidding......
Larry H
george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage
{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Wayne--
I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under
construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or closer inspection
of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange something
George May
601XL 912s
Kingston NH
603-642-8694
---------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:16 -0500
From: mgvalentine@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire
Wayne -
I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress.
Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! Ernie is
probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soon.
Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting
on wings somewhere.
George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME)
Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or
call me directly for more info.
Cheers, Michael Valentine
603-746-2166
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho <acorn1800@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron integration |
I'm leaving mine off until the wings are installed. I'm afraid that if I use a
sling on the wing with the ailerons in place that I would damage them. Other
than that I don't think it matters if you rivet now or later.
Tim
Do not archive
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Champ L16A flying
Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A
Working on fuselage
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Alright, be patient with me as I am fairly new to all of this but.... Am I crazy
for considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully with the guidance of
an A & P). I'm considering a corvair conversion as well, and I really love
the Jab. I understand that I can get a midtime Continental for about 8,000
and rebuild a Corvair for slightly less. The Jab unfortunately will knock your
socks of at 18000 these days. Aside from the $ I would like to gain the experience
and knowledge from rebuilding my own engine. I am literally shocked that
I can find a thousand times more information on how to convert your corvair
to an aircraft engine than simply how to perform your own overhaul on an o-200.
Any sources for information?
Here is my logic:
I am contemplating my own Corvair rebuild. I believe a Corvair conversion to be
slightly less reliable than a Continental or Lycosaur. Corvair builders please
dont consider this and insult as I will openly acknowledge that I am a newbie.
My beliefs are just that... The beliefs of a newbie.
If I am contemplating my own auto conversion, then why shouldn't I consider an
o-200 overhaul myself?
Something in my head just keeps telling me that an o-200 is 1940's technology,
using some common sense, having patience and the right tools with some guidance
and an overhaul manual that an overhaul should be accomplishable by anybody
that would also be a candidate for a corvair rebuild.
In any case even if I purchase a mid time Cont I sure would like someone with more
experience than I to perform inspections on the darn thing.
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I was wrestling with the same problem, Continental or Lycoming, about 2 years ago.
Bought the WW Corvair manual (flycorvair.com) then made a trip to SnF to
meet and talk to him. Spent a day at his shop also and that was all it took to
convince me that the Corvair engine would meet my needs. I fly VFR and smooth
air for the most part so it should work well and save me some serious money.
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Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: Routing choke and throttle cables |
Dave,
post the photos so we all can see and learn.
chris
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron integration |
Thats what Cleco's are for.
Drill and pin the ailerons, put in the cables, belcrank and trim wire, remove and
store.
Chris..
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