---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/28/08: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:33 AM - what if? elevator trim tab runaway (chris Sinfield) 2. 03:23 AM - Re: Where? (David Downey) 3. 03:32 AM - Re: Where? (David Downey) 4. 03:41 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (DaveG601XL) 5. 03:58 AM - Re: Where? (haven) 6. 04:22 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (Gary Ray) 7. 04:24 AM - Re: Where? (Trainnut01@aol.com) 8. 05:14 AM - Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway (Al Hays) 9. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Bill Sewell) 10. 05:50 AM - Aileron integration (Maarten Versteeg) 11. 06:25 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/27/08 (Scott Thatcher) 12. 06:25 AM - 601 parts (Bill Flick) 13. 06:58 AM - 601 XL Empty Weight (dalemed) 14. 07:12 AM - Re: Aileron integration (Gig Giacona) 15. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Dennis Shoup) 16. 07:54 AM - Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY (Gig Giacona) 17. 08:38 AM - Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (rhodes1) 18. 09:09 AM - Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Gig Giacona) 19. 09:36 AM - Throttle Cables (Philip) 20. 09:57 AM - Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Wayne Aho) 21. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Craig Payne) 22. 09:58 AM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Paul Mulwitz) 23. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Paul Mulwitz) 24. 10:52 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (JohnDRead@aol.com) 25. 11:09 AM - Re: Throttle Cables (Jon Croke) 26. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (Clyde Barcus) 27. 11:59 AM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Michael Valentine) 28. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? (Bill Sewell) 29. 01:00 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (george may) 30. 01:14 PM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (Dave Nixon) 31. 01:21 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (ernie) 32. 02:20 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Larry H) 33. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight (David Downey) 34. 03:24 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (ROBERT SCEPPA) 35. 03:25 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (george may) 36. 04:41 PM - Re: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire (Larry H) 37. 04:51 PM - Re: Aileron integration (Tim Juhl) 38. 07:30 PM - Re: 2000 hours (MHerder) 39. 08:37 PM - Re: 2000 hours (Ron Lendon) 40. 10:46 PM - Re: Routing choke and throttle cables (chris Sinfield) 41. 10:46 PM - Re: Aileron integration (chris Sinfield) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway From: "chris Sinfield" Q. for those out flying their XL's. With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way up or down, is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim system and thinking about if one switches sticks. I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim run away if required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others think? Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166695#166695 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:28 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? The interlocking knife switch type would probably work for you and they will not separate under a tension load. Bill Naumuk wrote: Paul- It's a matter of being able to get the connector through the largest mounting hole of the light, if need be. That's why I can't use a spade connector. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Hi Bill, I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors like that. I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones. I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil. spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection. Paul XL fuselage At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote: All- Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm using the best. No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly strobe. Not my best photography! Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:27 AM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? they are called knife splices http://www.gyroplanepassion.com/AircraftElectricalTerminalConnectors.html http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/catalogs/c253/P130.pdf http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=racequiet&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=175121486&Count2=92261910&ProductID=18994&Target=products.asp http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail/8149/Accessories/%5F/PIDG%5FSplice/ As you see, the last two links are the exact same product - the one sold by the aircraft outfit is double the price... As previously stated on the list, silicone dielectric grease is advised for these connectors without noble plated contacting surfaces. Bill Naumuk wrote: Paul- It's a matter of being able to get the connector through the largest mounting hole of the light, if need be. That's why I can't use a spade connector. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Mulwitz To: zenith-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Hi Bill, I'm not completely sure, but I don't think you can get mil. spec. connectors like that. I like to use the automotive grade connectors with the softer plastic molded parts that aren't as interested in breaking as the hard plastic (cheap) ones. I also prefer the spade type connectors to the round ones like you show in your picture. The spade connectors have a flat bar on the male end and two rolled spring contactors on the female end. While these may not be mil. spec. they do a great job of making and holding a connection. Paul XL fuselage At 05:27 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote: All- Where can I get aviation quality connectors such as those in the picture? These came from the local hardware store and I want to make sure I'm using the best. No listing on ACS. Must have them to enable me to easily service my belly strobe. Not my best photography! Thanks. Bill Naumuk Townville, Pa. HDS Fuse/Corvair href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: what if? elevator trim tab runaway From: "DaveG601XL" Chris, That is what I did. I have few CB's and trim is one of them for the very reason that I could pull it if desired. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail & wings completed and fueslage pretty well done. Working engine and electrical systems. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166700#166700 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where? From: "haven" If you are going to use automotive type connectors, at least get marine grade. They are for the harsh marine conditions. And you can always apply some di-electric grease. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166703#166703 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:40 AM PST US From: "Gary Ray" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway Chris I have the full span left side elevator trim tab. When I get ham handed I sometimes inadvertently activate the trim switches on the top of the control stick. It will get your attention but it is still controllable. Same for the aileron trim. I have been at full deflection. The first time it happened it took 10 seconds to diagnose what was causing it. At normal flight speed it has the most authority. At pattern speeds I need to increase the trim setting on the aileron. Time for full deflection is about 3 seconds. By the time you notice it, it will be at full deployment so pulling a fuse wouldn't help. It will take power to reverse the setting. I think if it happened it would be an irritation. The controls are normally very light. Gary Ray 601XL, 64 hrs TT davgray@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris Sinfield" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:30 AM Subject: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway > > Q. for those out flying their XL's. > > With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way up or down, is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim system and thinking about if one switches sticks. > > I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim run away if required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others think? > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166695#166695 > > > -- 8:45 PM > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:55 AM PST US From: Trainnut01@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Where? Bill These connectors are available almost anywhere. Hone Depot, NAPA, AutoZone, ect. They are really not the best choice for aircraft use however (IMO). I get all of my aircraft connectors from BC Specialties or Waytec Wire. Carroll do not archive **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:32 AM PST US From: Al Hays Subject: Re: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway Listers, FWTW, it seems to me that what might be no more than an irritation under most conditions could easily become one distraction too many in a busy airport environment or when dealing with other more challenging situations. I'm putting in an order for the "Safety- Trim" system from TCW to use with Ray Allen servos in my ZenVair 601XL (unfinished). Still haven't heard about anyone else having used it other than Tim Olson's RV-10. TCW's website is: www.tcwtech.com Al On Feb 28, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Gary Ray wrote: > > Chris > > I have the full span left side elevator trim tab. When I get ham > handed I > sometimes inadvertently activate the trim switches on the top of > the control > stick. It will get your attention but it is still controllable. > Same for > the aileron trim. > I have been at full deflection. The first time it happened it took 10 > seconds to diagnose what was causing it. > At normal flight speed it has the most authority. At pattern > speeds I need > to increase the trim setting on the aileron. > > Time for full deflection is about 3 seconds. By the time you > notice it, it > will be at full deployment so pulling a fuse wouldn't help. It > will take > power to reverse the setting. I think if it happened it would be an > irritation. The controls are normally very light. > > Gary Ray 601XL, 64 hrs TT > davgray@sbcglobal.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris Sinfield" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:30 AM > Subject: Zenith-List: what if? elevator trim tab runaway > > > >> >> Q. for those out flying their XL's. >> >> With the large elevator trim tab, if it was deflected full one way >> up or > down, is it still controllable? I am fitting the Ray Allen Trim > system and > thinking about if one switches sticks. >> >> I may fit a CB to the trim power line and pull it to stop the trim >> run > away if required, rather than hide it with a fuse. What do others > think? >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166695#166695 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > 8:45 PM >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:29 AM PST US From: "Bill Sewell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more: http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm Bill Sewell N601BZ On 2/27/08, Doug Eatman wrote: > > > Dr. Elliott, > My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of > pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose > gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my > plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the > upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate > freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter > key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped > hole. > > Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance > bar (picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the > picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the > builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your > elegant solution!). > > do not archive > Douglas Eatman > 601XL TD Vair > > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we > give. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:13 AM PST US From: Maarten Versteeg Subject: Zenith-List: Aileron integration Hello List, I am nearing completion of my first wing. My question is when have you integrated the aileron with the wing. I have already drilled the flap and aileron to the wing but when should these be riveted in place. The guide describes holding off on the flaps till mounting the wings to the plane, but for the aileron it might be easy to get the bell crank setup and the trim servo wires attached. Any advise ? Maarten 601XL plans building wings. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:39 AM PST US From: "Scott Thatcher" Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 02/27/08 Welcome to the list Jay! I just got my Zodiac registered in December and it took the combined input of most of the people on this list to get me out of the jams I'd gotten myself into. Fortunately, you won't experience the frustration of screwing up but for other issues such as avionics, autopilots, and various mounting solutions, there is always someone here who has done that or been there. Again Congratulations and thanks for the info on on to fly this darn thing! Scott Thatcher, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA N601EL Time: 07:22:16 AM PST US From: Jay Maynard Subject: Zenith-List: New to the list I'm getting ready to order a Zodiac XLi from AMD, and it was suggested that I join this list. I know that it's mainly oriented to homebuilding, but I hope to get some useful insight into the aircraft and flying it. I'd dearly love to build my own. The reality is that I don't have anything close to the time needed to devote to such a project. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:41 AM PST US From: "Bill Flick" Subject: Zenith-List: 601 parts i need seat belts and cowl and eng mt for subaru into 601 hds. thanks bill ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL Empty Weight From: "dalemed" What can I expect the empty weight of my 601 XL will be when its done - less the weight of the engine and paint? Assume a stock build with minimal instruments and minimal corrosion proofing. Thanks for info! -------- Dale Flying Cessna 170B Building Zenith 601XL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166733#166733 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron integration From: "Gig Giacona" I riveted them when I finished the wing long ago. I also installed and ran the trim before I closed up the wing so they are now tangling at the inboard end of the wing with all the other wires. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166735#166735 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:03 AM PST US From: "Dennis Shoup" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY What alternative did you choose and why? Dennis Shoup On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Gig Giacona wrote: > wr.giacona@suddenlink.net> > > SOLD!! > > Do Not Archive > > -------- > W.R. "Gig" Giacona > 601XL Under Construction > See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166643#166643 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: FS: EXP BUS MOUNTING TRAY From: "Gig Giacona" I'm going with switches, circuit breakers and fuses. The main reason is because I was going to have to put several in anyway I just decided it would be not that much more work to do all of them. zenith601xl(at)gmail.com wrote: > What alternative did you choose and why? > Dennis Shoup > > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166741#166741 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:41 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight From: "rhodes1" Hello I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be with a 0200 engine installed? Thanks Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166748#166748 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight From: "Gig Giacona" Well that's what AMD puts in the S-LSA so looking at their specs 770 Lbs. http://www.newplane.com/amd/amd/601_SLSA/specification.html rhodes1 wrote: > Hello > I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be with a 0200 engine installed? > Thanks Don -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166750#166750 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:55 AM PST US From: "Philip" Subject: Zenith-List: Throttle Cables Asked in a previous post what cable (s) were used in the the CH 701 921S engine installation video. Anybody have any clues? Thinking of using two throttle cables - any problem with the added internal sliding friction with two cables? What is the attachment from cable core to throttle rod used in the installation - froze the video and it looks like a NAPA HELP type item. What say you guys Phil Smith CH-701 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:22 AM PST US From: Wayne Aho Subject: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that is building or flying this critter? Thanks, Wayne --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:25 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? The V block on the nose gear (and maybe the two-spring approach for a TD) would self-center. I don't think the balance bar would do that. Is that true and is it a real issue? -- Craig From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sewell Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more: http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm Bill Sewell N601BZ On 2/27/08, Doug Eatman wrote: Dr. Elliott, My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped hole. Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance bar (picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your elegant solution!). do not archive Douglas Eatman 601XL TD Vair _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:06 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Routing choke and throttle cables Hi Dave, I am currently doing the same task. I found the cable end adjusters included in the FWF from UsJabiru to be completely unusable. The distance from the carburetor to the nose gear was completely used up by these parts before inserting the cable. I decided to make new cable end fittings on my metal lathe. The new parts extend only one inch from the carburetor bracket. This made it possible to route the cable around the nose gear column and still get it to the carburetor. I wound up making three of these fittings since I have dual throttles. Two were used on the carburetor, and one on the center cable for the dual throttle. If you need the dimensions for these parts, I can send you a copy of my little pencil drawing. Anyone with a lathe and some round brass bar could make them in less than one hour each. You also will need a thread forming die. If you don't have a lathe, perhaps you know someone who does or can use a local machine shop's services. I suppose you could buy the parts somewhere, but I have no idea where to look for them. I tried McMaster-Carr and failed miserably. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage - hooking up engine At 08:13 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >I am installing the Jabiru 3300 on the 601XL and have got to the >point of connecting up the throttle and choke cables. > >My problem is that the carb. is almost directly in front of the nose >leg, so the cables have to go through a couple of quite sharp bends. > >I would be very interested to hear how others have routed their cables. > >Dave Johnson. > >601XL in the UK > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:13 AM PST US From: Paul Mulwitz Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight Hi Don, The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL. I believe this model includes the Continental O-200. My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an O-200 or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared to a Rotax or Jabiru installation. Paul XL fuselage At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote: >Hello >I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] >be with a 0200 engine installed? >Thanks Don > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:55 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne, have you tried the _www.zenithair.com_ (http://www.zenithair.com) ? Click on Zodiac XL Kit Aircraft then click on Builders on the net. There were 6 in NH when I checked. do not archive John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 2/28/2008 10:58:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, acorn1800@yahoo.com writes: I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that is building or flying this critter? Thanks, Wayne ____________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:22 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Throttle Cables Hello Phil, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Every plane is equipped a little differently and we had to go back to the catalogs to answer your questions. All the information was there: 1. Throttle Cables used were A 820 Friction Lock Control (3ft.) #05-09436 2. Cable Safe #05-16250 used through firewall. 3. Cable holder at throttle rod from Kragen Auto - or you could use a Cable end "B" nut found in the Spruce Catalog. Part # 05-16210. Hope this helps. Regards, Michael Heintz Quality Sport Planes, LLC www.qualitysportplanes.com Representing Zenith Aircraft kits in the West ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip To: Zenith-List@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Throttle Cables Asked in a previous post what cable (s) were used in the the CH 701 921S engine installation video. Anybody have any clues? Thinking of using two throttle cables - any problem with the added internal sliding friction with two cables? What is the attachment from cable core to throttle rod used in the installation - froze the video and it looks like a NAPA HELP type item. What say you guys Phil Smith CH-701 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:23 AM PST US From: "Clyde Barcus" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight I am installing the Continental O-200 in my 601 XL, the people at Teledyne Mattituck told me the O-200 is 215 pounds with accessories, the Jabiru is listed at 180 with accessories. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Continental Powered ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight > > Hi Don, > > The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL. > I believe this model includes the Continental O-200. > > My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an O-200 > or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared to a Rotax > or Jabiru installation. > > Paul > XL fuselage > > > At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote: > >>Hello >>I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be >>with a 0200 engine installed? >>Thanks Don >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:30 AM PST US From: "Michael Valentine" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress. Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! Ernie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soon. Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting on wings somewhere. George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME) Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or call me directly for more info. Cheers, Michael Valentine 603-746-2166 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho wrote: > I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH > that is building or flying this critter? > > Thanks, > Wayne > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:45 PM PST US From: "Bill Sewell" Subject: Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? In flight the air flow over the rudder tends to center the pedals, on the ground keeping the airplane going in a streight line tends to keep them centered (assuming of course that everything is correctly aligned). Bill Sewell N601BZ On 2/28/08, Craig Payne wrote: > > The V block on the nose gear (and maybe the two-spring approach for a TD) > would self-center. I don't think the balance bar would do that. Is that true > and is it a real issue? > > > -- Craig > > > *From:* owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Sewell > *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:38 AM > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: RE: Attaching rudder springs for TD 601XL? > > > Looks like a picture from my site. Here are some more: > http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Control_Cables/043005.htm > > > Bill Sewell > > N601BZ > > > On 2/27/08, *Doug Eatman* wrote: > > > Dr. Elliott, > My plans don't specify any attach method for springs (or any other type of > pedal return), but it would be flight proven just to mimic the way the nose > gear steering pushrods attach to the pedals on a tri-gear. I don't have my > plans handy, but I believe they use a 3/16 bolt and locknut through the > upright tube portion of the rudder pedal. If the bolt is going to rotate > freely for your spring attach method, it should have a castle nut and cotter > key. A thru-bolt and nut would be a better idea than a screw in a tapped > hole. > > Another neat option for keeping the pedal from flopping is this balance > bar (picture attached) that another TD builder came up with. I saved the > picture off a website for future reference and don't remember who the > builder was (owner of photo: feel free to identify yourself and claim your > elegant solution!). > > do not archive > Douglas Eatman > 601XL TD Vair > > _________________________________________________________________ > Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we > give. > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:43 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne-- I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or cl oser inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange somet hing George May 601XL 912s Kingston NH 603-642-8694 list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New HampshireWayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progres s.Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! E rnie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soo n.Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting on wings somewhere.George May is done and flying in Kingston (pla ne in Elliot, ME)Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or call me directly for more info.Cheers, Michael Valenti ne603-746-2166 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho wrote: I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH t hat is building or flying this critter? Thanks, Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120 08 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables From: "Dave Nixon" I ran into the same problem and talked with Mark at Jabiru. We discussed at length and then I just made an extension bracket that moved the throttle cable to the OUTSIDE of the carbie connection point instead of the inside as directed by Jabiru. It worked great! There was no bend in the throttle cable since it lined up directly to the carb while sliding along side the nose gear bracket. It is now smooth and effortless. If I can help, I can send the same pictures that I sent Mark for his edification. But the Choke cable is somewhat 'S' bent so I might have to make one for that also. I will know in the next couple of days. Wish me luck. Dave Nixon CH 601 XL 3300 (N 107 R) 99% done with 5% to go. Going to Weight and Balance in the next day or two Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166801#166801 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:25 PM PST US From: ernie Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne, As Michael said I am in Merrimack and I am working the right wing right now. The rudder class worked out great for me. http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/Rudder I have a web site that I have not updated in a while. Call in the evening if you like Ernie 424-1391 Do not Archive. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Wayne Aho wrote: > I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH > that is building or flying this critter? > > Thanks, > Wayne > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:45 PM PST US From: Larry H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL......just kidding...... Larry H george may wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Wayne-- I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or closer inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange something George May 601XL 912s Kingston NH 603-642-8694 --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:16 -0500 From: mgvalentine@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress. Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! Ernie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soon. Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting on wings somewhere. George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME) Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or call me directly for more info. Cheers, Michael Valentine 603-746-2166 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho wrote: I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that is building or flying this critter? Thanks, Wayne arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution --------------------------------- Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now! --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:27 PM PST US From: David Downey Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight Were those weight wet or dry? How much oil does the Jab hold? (6+lb/gallon) I am installing the Continental O-200 in my 601 XL, the people at Teledyne Mattituck told me the O-200 is 215 pounds with accessories, the Jabiru is listed at 180 with accessories. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Continental Powered ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mulwitz" Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL Empty Weight > > Hi Don, > > The AMD web site shows 770 pounds empty weight for the factory built XL. > I believe this model includes the Continental O-200. > > My informal examination of many LSA specs seems to indicate using an O-200 > or O-235 adds around 100 pounds to your empty weight compared to a Rotax > or Jabiru installation. > > Paul > XL fuselage > > > At 08:35 AM 2/28/2008, you wrote: > >>Hello >>I was thinking about the same thing. What would the weight [approx] be >>with a 0200 engine installed? >>Thanks Don >> >> > > > Dave Downey Harleysville (SE) PA 100 HP Corvair --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:59 PM PST US From: ROBERT SCEPPA Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire > Hey Ernie, does that dog of yours have a driving > license? How about teaching him to fly too...hehehe > See you at Daniel Websters --- ernie wrote: > Wayne, > > As Michael said I am in Merrimack and I am working > the right wing right now. > > The rudder class worked out great for me. > http://picasaweb.google.com/ernieth/Rudder > I have a web site that I have not updated in a > while. > > Call in the evening if you like > Ernie 424-1391 > > > Do not Archive. > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Wayne Aho > wrote: > > > I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is > there anyone near Keene, NH > > that is building or flying this critter? > > > > Thanks, > > Wayne > > > > ------------------------------ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:17 PM PST US From: george may Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Larry-- Should have checked with me last August when I was on the way to Oshkosh. We could have worked something out George do not archive : Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New HampshireTo: zenith-list@mat ronics.com Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL... ...just kidding...... Larry Hgeorge may wrote: Wayne-- I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a rid e or closer inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrang e something George May601XL 912sKingston NH603-642-8694 list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New HampshireWayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progres s.Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! E rnie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soo n.Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting on wings somewhere.George May is done and flying in Kingston (pla ne in Elliot, ME)Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or call me directly for more info.Cheers, Michael Valenti ne603-746-2166 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho wrote: I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH t hat is building or flying this critter? Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail=AE-get yo ur "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:54 PM PST US From: Larry H Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Dang George, that would just be my luck!! Always a day late and a dollar short. Sad part is, I live right on the flight path around the bottom of Lake Michigan....(near South Bend, In...Notre Dame...rah..rah...yeah, right...not!)...I'm a Michigan Fan...LOL. Larry george may wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Larry-- Should have checked with me last August when I was on the way to Oshkosh. We could have worked something out George do not archive --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:17:15 -0800 From: skyridersbn@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Hey George.....could yah fly up to Michigan and give me a ride too? LOL......just kidding...... Larry H george may wrote: .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Wayne-- I see Mike already replied with some. In addition There is another couple under construction in Moultonboro, and Ossipee. If you'd like a ride or closer inspection of a completed one ,give me a call and we can arrange something George May 601XL 912s Kingston NH 603-642-8694 --------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:55:16 -0500 From: mgvalentine@gmail.com Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Any Zodiac Builders near SE New Hampshire Wayne - I am in Contoocook - tail and wings done, fuse in progress. Ernie is in Merrimack. Sorry Ernie, I can't remember your last name!! Ernie is probably about to pass me in progress. He will likely chime in soon. Roger Pritchard is in Nashua - Plane and Corvair engine pretty much done - putting on wings somewhere. George May is done and flying in Kingston (plane in Elliot, ME) Everyone should be viewable through the web site John Read provided. Email or call me directly for more info. Cheers, Michael Valentine 603-746-2166 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Wayne Aho wrote: I am considering building a Zodiac 601XL. Is there anyone near Keene, NH that is building or flying this critter? Thanks, arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution --------------------------------- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail-get your "fix". Check it out. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:26 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron integration From: "Tim Juhl" I'm leaving mine off until the wings are installed. I'm afraid that if I use a sling on the wing with the ailerons in place that I would damage them. Other than that I don't think it matters if you rivet now or later. Tim Do not archive -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166839#166839 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:46 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours From: "MHerder" Alright, be patient with me as I am fairly new to all of this but.... Am I crazy for considering an 0-200 overhaul myself (and hopefully with the guidance of an A & P). I'm considering a corvair conversion as well, and I really love the Jab. I understand that I can get a midtime Continental for about 8,000 and rebuild a Corvair for slightly less. The Jab unfortunately will knock your socks of at 18000 these days. Aside from the $ I would like to gain the experience and knowledge from rebuilding my own engine. I am literally shocked that I can find a thousand times more information on how to convert your corvair to an aircraft engine than simply how to perform your own overhaul on an o-200. Any sources for information? Here is my logic: I am contemplating my own Corvair rebuild. I believe a Corvair conversion to be slightly less reliable than a Continental or Lycosaur. Corvair builders please dont consider this and insult as I will openly acknowledge that I am a newbie. My beliefs are just that... The beliefs of a newbie. If I am contemplating my own auto conversion, then why shouldn't I consider an o-200 overhaul myself? Something in my head just keeps telling me that an o-200 is 1940's technology, using some common sense, having patience and the right tools with some guidance and an overhaul manual that an overhaul should be accomplishable by anybody that would also be a candidate for a corvair rebuild. In any case even if I purchase a mid time Cont I sure would like someone with more experience than I to perform inspections on the darn thing. -------- One Rivet at a Time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166860#166860 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 2000 hours From: "Ron Lendon" I was wrestling with the same problem, Continental or Lycoming, about 2 years ago. Bought the WW Corvair manual (flycorvair.com) then made a trip to SnF to meet and talk to him. Spent a day at his shop also and that was all it took to convince me that the Corvair engine would meet my needs. I fly VFR and smooth air for the most part so it should work well and save me some serious money. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166868#166868 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Routing choke and throttle cables From: "chris Sinfield" Dave, post the photos so we all can see and learn. chris Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166883#166883 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:08 PM PST US Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Aileron integration From: "chris Sinfield" Thats what Cleco's are for. Drill and pin the ailerons, put in the cables, belcrank and trim wire, remove and store. Chris.. 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